---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 12/21/11: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:14 AM - Re: Cj6 wings (Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer) 2. 06:15 AM - Re: Cj6 wings (Warren Hill) 3. 08:49 AM - Re: Cj6 wings (doug sapp) 4. 11:06 AM - Argon gas (Mark Davis) 5. 11:34 AM - Re: Argon gas (Brian Lloyd) 6. 12:44 PM - Re: Argon gas (Mark Davis) 7. 12:48 PM - Re: Argon gas (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 8. 02:59 PM - Re: Argon gas (Brian Lloyd) 9. 04:08 PM - Re: Argon gas (Mark Davis) 10. 04:36 PM - Re: Argon gas (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 11. 06:46 PM - Re: Argon gas (Roger Kemp M.D.) 12. 06:52 PM - Re: Argon gas (Mark Davis) 13. 07:09 PM - Re: Argon gas (Mark Davis) 14. 07:31 PM - Re: Argon gas (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 15. 07:40 PM - Re: Argon gas (Roger Kemp M.D.) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:11 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Cj6 wings From: Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer Hi Jacques, if you are still within the designer's tolerances you could ream the holes to the next diameter and use over-sized wing bolts (I think Doug Sapp sells them). cheers Elmar ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:55 AM PST US From: Warren Hill Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cj6 wings Dear Jacques, If the movement you describe is at the four wing attach points, wear in this area is likely the cause. Doug Sapp has a special set of the large and smaller wing attachment bolts that are slightly over-sized and made to address this problem. This has come up often enough that these bolts are the recommended fix. Warren Hill N464TW On Dec 20, 2011, at 11:38 PM, Jacques Jacobs wrote: > Hi Guys > Has anybody had a problem with a cj6 wing thats a bit loos. I have one that the left wing moves a little bit at the joints not much but there are movement. Anybody know of a fix for this? > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cj6 wings From: doug sapp You need oversized wing bolts. Mic the ID of the fittings and drop me a email off line. Best, Doug Sapp On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:38 PM, Jacques Jacobs wrote: > Hi Guys > Has anybody had a problem with a cj6 wing thats a bit loos. I have one > that the left wing moves a little bit at the joints not much but there are > movement. Anybody know of a fix for this? > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:45 AM PST US From: "Mark Davis" Subject: Yak-List: Argon gas An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas that I'm not using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to use in place of nitrogen for struts or tires? I don't want to try it in the main air system, but it's essentially free if I can use it instead of just returning the bottles to my supplier. It's an inert gas, but if the molecules are significantly smaller than nitrogen then there's no sense in using it or if there are any issues with it interacting with rubber or oils. Mark Davis N44YK ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:34:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Argon gas From: Brian Lloyd On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Mark Davis wrote: > ** > An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas that > I'm not using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to use in > place of nitrogen for struts or tires? I don't want to try it in the main > air system, but it's essentially free if I can use it instead of just > returning the bottles to my supplier. It's an inert gas, but if the > molecules are significantly smaller than nitrogen then there's no sense in > using it or if there are any issues with it interacting with rubber or oils. > Well, Ar is monoatomic, i.e. it doesn't bond to itself like N does (N2). A mole of gas is 22.4L at STP. A mole of N2 masses 28g. A mole of Ar masses 80g. This shouldn't make a difference when filling tires and struts. Heck, I would try it and see what happens. I don't *think* that Ar would migrate through the rubber and the seals like He would and so shouldn't be any different than N2. But if it does, just refill using N2 and all is good. One thing I can safely say is that the Ar will not interact with either the rubber in the tires or the oil in the struts so it is safe from that point of view. -- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL 3191 Western Dr. Cameron Park, CA 95682 brian@lloyd.com +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica) +1.916.877.5067 (USA) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:44:32 PM PST US From: "Mark Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Argon gas Thanks for the input Brian. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Lloyd To: yak-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:31 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Argon gas On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Mark Davis wrote: An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas that I'm not using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to use in place of nitrogen for struts or tires? I don't want to try it in the main air system, but it's essentially free if I can use it instead of just returning the bottles to my supplier. It's an inert gas, but if the molecules are significantly smaller than nitrogen then there's no sense in using it or if there are any issues with it interacting with rubber or oils. Well, Ar is monoatomic, i.e. it doesn't bond to itself like N does (N2). A mole of gas is 22.4L at STP. A mole of N2 masses 28g. A mole of Ar masses 80g. This shouldn't make a difference when filling tires and struts. Heck, I would try it and see what happens. I don't *think* that Ar would migrate through the rubber and the seals like He would and so shouldn't be any different than N2. But if it does, just refill using N2 and all is good. One thing I can safely say is that the Ar will not interact with either the rubber in the tires or the oil in the struts so it is safe from that point of view. -- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL 3191 Western Dr. Cameron Park, CA 95682 brian@lloyd.com +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica) +1.916.877.5067 (USA) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:46 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" MAN! Is that the question of the year or what? My total guess is that it would be fine for putting in tires or anything else for that matter. It is totally inert, but is also pretty darn expensive, which is why it is not used by many. At one time I have seen argon used to pressure waveguides in systems running a REAL large amount of power. Usually waveguides are pressurized with nitrogen. Being inert, I do not think it will react with ANYTHING really, but am standing by for a real expert to speak up. GREAT QUESTION! Mark ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 2:04 PM Subject: Yak-List: Argon gas An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas that I'm not using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to use in place of nitrogen for struts or tires? I don't want to try it in the main air system, but it's essentially free if I can use it instead of just returning the bottles to my supplier. It's an inert gas, but if the molecules are significantly smaller than nitrogen then there's no sense in using it or if there are any issues with it interacting with rubber or oils. Mark Davis N44YK ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:59:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Argon gas From: Brian Lloyd On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:43 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > MALS-14 64E" > > MAN! Is that the question of the year or what? > > My total guess is that it would be fine for putting in tires or anything > else for that matter. It is totally inert, but is also pretty darn > expensive, which is why it is not used by many. At one time I have seen > argon used to pressure waveguides in systems running a REAL large amount of > power. Usually waveguides are pressurized with nitrogen. > > Being inert, I do not think it will react with ANYTHING really, but am > standing by for a real expert to speak up. > I did. :-) -- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL 3191 Western Dr. Cameron Park, CA 95682 brian@lloyd.com +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica) +1.916.877.5067 (USA) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:39 PM PST US From: "Mark Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Argon gas The bottles are attached to old diagnostic equipment that we're not using anymore. One is showing 2,000 psi and has a nice regulator on it. No sense in giving the bottles back to the gas company full! The regulator will work on my nitrogen bottle. The remainder of the diagnostic tool kit that used the argon has a yet to be checked out ultrasonic leak detector in it. I'm happy with the fact that obsolete automotive test equipment works just fine on a YAK! Mark Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:43 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas > MALS-14 64E" > > MAN! Is that the question of the year or what? > > My total guess is that it would be fine for putting in tires or anything > else for that matter. It is totally inert, but is also pretty darn > expensive, which is why it is not used by many. At one time I have seen > argon used to pressure waveguides in systems running a REAL large amount > of power. Usually waveguides are pressurized with nitrogen. > > Being inert, I do not think it will react with ANYTHING really, but am > standing by for a real expert to speak up. > > GREAT QUESTION! > > Mark > > > ________________________________ > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis > Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 2:04 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Argon gas > > > An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas that > I'm not using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to use in > place of nitrogen for struts or tires? I don't want to try it in the main > air system, but it's essentially free if I can use it instead of just > returning the bottles to my supplier. It's an inert gas, but if the > molecules are significantly smaller than nitrogen then there's no sense in > using it or if there are any issues with it interacting with rubber or > oils. > > Mark Davis > N44YK > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:25 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Ok... there is just a chance that your leak detector is not ultrasonic, but instead actually detacts argon itself. If that is the case, I would hold on to that think like gold. Specific gas leak detectors are extremely sensitive. So, what you have there might indeed be valuable. Example: You have a leak somewhere in your air system. You can't find it. You drain all air and refill with argon. You then run around with argon leak detector and find it immediately. Pretty cool. If that is indeed what you have, and you very well might.... check it out before you waste the argon. Take care, Mark ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Argon gas The bottles are attached to old diagnostic equipment that we're not using anymore. One is showing 2,000 psi and has a nice regulator on it. No sense in giving the bottles back to the gas company full! The regulator will work on my nitrogen bottle. The remainder of the diagnostic tool kit that used the argon has a yet to be checked out ultrasonic leak detector in it. I'm happy with the fact that obsolete automotive test equipment works just fine on a YAK! Mark Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:43 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas > MALS-14 64E" > > MAN! Is that the question of the year or what? > > My total guess is that it would be fine for putting in tires or anything > else for that matter. It is totally inert, but is also pretty darn > expensive, which is why it is not used by many. At one time I have seen > argon used to pressure waveguides in systems running a REAL large amount > of power. Usually waveguides are pressurized with nitrogen. > > Being inert, I do not think it will react with ANYTHING really, but am > standing by for a real expert to speak up. > > GREAT QUESTION! > > Mark > > > ________________________________ > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis > Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 2:04 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Argon gas > > > An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas that > I'm not using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to use in > place of nitrogen for struts or tires? I don't want to try it in the main > air system, but it's essentially free if I can use it instead of just > returning the bottles to my supplier. It's an inert gas, but if the > molecules are significantly smaller than nitrogen then there's no sense in > using it or if there are any issues with it interacting with rubber or > oils. > > Mark Davis > N44YK > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Argon gas From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Mark D. I'm assuming you were using the Ar for finding leaks in auto a/c systems. As Mark says, you have a valuable commodity for tracking down those pain in the ass air system leaks! Save it. If have anymore of those systems lying around let me know. I could use to check my air on the 50 when I start putting it back together next month. Doc Sent from my iPad On Dec 21, 2011, at 6:06 PM, "Mark Davis" wrote: > > The bottles are attached to old diagnostic equipment that we're not using anymore. One is showing 2,000 psi and has a nice regulator on it. No sense in giving the bottles back to the gas company full! The regulator will work on my nitrogen bottle. The remainder of the diagnostic tool kit that used the argon has a yet to be checked out ultrasonic leak detector in it. I'm happy with the fact that obsolete automotive test equipment works just fine on a YAK! > > Mark Davis > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:43 PM > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas > > >> >> MAN! Is that the question of the year or what? >> >> My total guess is that it would be fine for putting in tires or anything else for that matter. It is totally inert, but is also pretty darn expensive, which is why it is not used by many. At one time I have seen argon used to pressure waveguides in systems running a REAL large amount of power. Usually waveguides are pressurized with nitrogen. >> >> Being inert, I do not think it will react with ANYTHING really, but am standing by for a real expert to speak up. >> >> GREAT QUESTION! >> >> Mark >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis >> Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 2:04 PM >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Yak-List: Argon gas >> >> >> An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas that I'm not using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to use in place of nitrogen for struts or tires? I don't want to try it in the main air system, but it's essentially free if I can use it instead of just returning the bottles to my supplier. It's an inert gas, but if the molecules are significantly smaller than nitrogen then there's no sense in using it or if there are any issues with it interacting with rubber or oils. >> >> Mark Davis >> N44YK >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:19 PM PST US From: "Mark Davis" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas Thanks Mark. I'll check the detector out. One of my techs told me he thought it was ultrasonic, but I'll check it out to be sure. It has headphones, so he may have assumed it was ultrasonic. He'd never used it. Ford replaced it with a smoke generating leak detection system. Mark Davis -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:31 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas --> Point, MALS-14 64E" Ok... there is just a chance that your leak detector is not ultrasonic, but instead actually detacts argon itself. If that is the case, I would hold on to that think like gold. Specific gas leak detectors are extremely sensitive. So, what you have there might indeed be valuable. Example: You have a leak somewhere in your air system. You can't find it. You drain all air and refill with argon. You then run around with argon leak detector and find it immediately. Pretty cool. If that is indeed what you have, and you very well might.... check it out before you waste the argon. Take care, Mark ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Argon gas The bottles are attached to old diagnostic equipment that we're not using anymore. One is showing 2,000 psi and has a nice regulator on it. No sense in giving the bottles back to the gas company full! The regulator will work on my nitrogen bottle. The remainder of the diagnostic tool kit that used the argon has a yet to be checked out ultrasonic leak detector in it. I'm happy with the fact that obsolete automotive test equipment works just fine on a YAK! Mark Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:43 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas > --> Point, > MALS-14 64E" > > MAN! Is that the question of the year or what? > > My total guess is that it would be fine for putting in tires or > anything else for that matter. It is totally inert, but is also > pretty darn expensive, which is why it is not used by many. At one > time I have seen argon used to pressure waveguides in systems running > a REAL large amount of power. Usually waveguides are pressurized with nitrogen. > > Being inert, I do not think it will react with ANYTHING really, but am > standing by for a real expert to speak up. > > GREAT QUESTION! > > Mark > > > ________________________________ > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis > Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 2:04 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Argon gas > > > An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas > that I'm not using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to > use in place of nitrogen for struts or tires? I don't want to try it > in the main air system, but it's essentially free if I can use it > instead of just returning the bottles to my supplier. It's an inert > gas, but if the molecules are significantly smaller than nitrogen then > there's no sense in using it or if there are any issues with it > interacting with rubber or oils. > > Mark Davis > N44YK > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:38 PM PST US From: "Mark Davis" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas Doc, Ford used it at one time for evaporative emission system leak detection. I'll have to dig the book out on the system and see what all it was capable of doing. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp M.D. Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 7:43 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Argon gas --> Mark D. I'm assuming you were using the Ar for finding leaks in auto a/c systems. As Mark says, you have a valuable commodity for tracking down those pain in the ass air system leaks! Save it. If have anymore of those systems lying around let me know. I could use to check my air on the 50 when I start putting it back together next month. Doc Sent from my iPad On Dec 21, 2011, at 6:06 PM, "Mark Davis" wrote: > > The bottles are attached to old diagnostic equipment that we're not using anymore. One is showing 2,000 psi and has a nice regulator on it. No sense in giving the bottles back to the gas company full! The regulator will work on my nitrogen bottle. The remainder of the diagnostic tool kit that used the argon has a yet to be checked out ultrasonic leak detector in it. I'm happy with the fact that obsolete automotive test equipment works just fine on a YAK! > > Mark Davis > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry > Point, MALS-14 64E" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:43 PM > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas > > >> --> Point, MALS-14 64E" >> >> MAN! Is that the question of the year or what? >> >> My total guess is that it would be fine for putting in tires or anything else for that matter. It is totally inert, but is also pretty darn expensive, which is why it is not used by many. At one time I have seen argon used to pressure waveguides in systems running a REAL large amount of power. Usually waveguides are pressurized with nitrogen. >> >> Being inert, I do not think it will react with ANYTHING really, but am standing by for a real expert to speak up. >> >> GREAT QUESTION! >> >> Mark >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis >> Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 2:04 PM >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Yak-List: Argon gas >> >> >> An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas that I'm not using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to use in place of nitrogen for struts or tires? I don't want to try it in the main air system, but it's essentially free if I can use it instead of just returning the bottles to my supplier. It's an inert gas, but if the molecules are significantly smaller than nitrogen then there's no sense in using it or if there are any issues with it interacting with rubber or oils. >> >> Mark Davis >> N44YK >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:44 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Mark, if argon was part of this "set" of equipment, it is highly likely the detector actually is sensing the argon itself. They now sell the same things to directly sense freon. Not my field of expertise in any sense, but I have heard of them. I have used both ultrasonic and specific freon gas detectors, and both used headphones, so it is not really a give away. Could be ultrasonic, could be argon gas! But... if it is argon detection, I think the thing is way worth holding onto. Anyway, great thread. Hope it is something that ends up being useful! Take care, Mark B. ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 9:49 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas Thanks Mark. I'll check the detector out. One of my techs told me he thought it was ultrasonic, but I'll check it out to be sure. It has headphones, so he may have assumed it was ultrasonic. He'd never used it. Ford replaced it with a smoke generating leak detection system. Mark Davis -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 5:31 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas --> Point, MALS-14 64E" Ok... there is just a chance that your leak detector is not ultrasonic, but instead actually detacts argon itself. If that is the case, I would hold on to that think like gold. Specific gas leak detectors are extremely sensitive. So, what you have there might indeed be valuable. Example: You have a leak somewhere in your air system. You can't find it. You drain all air and refill with argon. You then run around with argon leak detector and find it immediately. Pretty cool. If that is indeed what you have, and you very well might.... check it out before you waste the argon. Take care, Mark ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 7:06 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Argon gas The bottles are attached to old diagnostic equipment that we're not using anymore. One is showing 2,000 psi and has a nice regulator on it. No sense in giving the bottles back to the gas company full! The regulator will work on my nitrogen bottle. The remainder of the diagnostic tool kit that used the argon has a yet to be checked out ultrasonic leak detector in it. I'm happy with the fact that obsolete automotive test equipment works just fine on a YAK! Mark Davis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:43 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas > --> Point, > MALS-14 64E" > > MAN! Is that the question of the year or what? > > My total guess is that it would be fine for putting in tires or > anything else for that matter. It is totally inert, but is also > pretty darn expensive, which is why it is not used by many. At one > time I have seen argon used to pressure waveguides in systems running > a REAL large amount of power. Usually waveguides are pressurized with nitrogen. > > Being inert, I do not think it will react with ANYTHING really, but am > standing by for a real expert to speak up. > > GREAT QUESTION! > > Mark > > > ________________________________ > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis > Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 2:04 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Argon gas > > > An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas > that I'm not using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to > use in place of nitrogen for struts or tires? I don't want to try it > in the main air system, but it's essentially free if I can use it > instead of just returning the bottles to my supplier. It's an inert > gas, but if the molecules are significantly smaller than nitrogen then > there's no sense in using it or if there are any issues with it > interacting with rubber or oils. > > Mark Davis > N44YK > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Argon gas From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Copy Sent from my iPad On Dec 21, 2011, at 9:06 PM, "Mark Davis" wrote: > > Doc, > Ford used it at one time for evaporative emission system leak > detection. I'll have to dig the book out on the system and see what all it > was capable of doing. > > Mark > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp M.D. > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 7:43 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Argon gas > > --> > > Mark D. I'm assuming you were using the Ar for finding leaks in auto a/c > systems. As Mark says, you have a valuable commodity for tracking down those > pain in the ass air system leaks! Save it. If have anymore of those systems > lying around let me know. I could use to check my air on the 50 when I start > putting it back together next month. > Doc > > Sent from my iPad > > On Dec 21, 2011, at 6:06 PM, "Mark Davis" wrote: > >> >> The bottles are attached to old diagnostic equipment that we're not using > anymore. One is showing 2,000 psi and has a nice regulator on it. No sense > in giving the bottles back to the gas company full! The regulator will work > on my nitrogen bottle. The remainder of the diagnostic tool kit that used > the argon has a yet to be checked out ultrasonic leak detector in it. I'm > happy with the fact that obsolete automotive test equipment works just fine > on a YAK! >> >> Mark Davis >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry >> Point, MALS-14 64E" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 1:43 PM >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Argon gas >> >> >>> --> Point, MALS-14 64E" >>> >>> MAN! Is that the question of the year or what? >>> >>> My total guess is that it would be fine for putting in tires or anything > else for that matter. It is totally inert, but is also pretty darn > expensive, which is why it is not used by many. At one time I have seen > argon used to pressure waveguides in systems running a REAL large amount of > power. Usually waveguides are pressurized with nitrogen. >>> >>> Being inert, I do not think it will react with ANYTHING really, but am > standing by for a real expert to speak up. >>> >>> GREAT QUESTION! >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> >>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mark Davis >>> Sent: Wed 12/21/2011 2:04 PM >>> To: yak-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Yak-List: Argon gas >>> >>> >>> An unusual question for the list. I have two cylinders of argon gas that > I'm not using. Does anyone know if argon is an acceptable gas to use in > place of nitrogen for struts or tires? I don't want to try it in the main > air system, but it's essentially free if I can use it instead of just > returning the bottles to my supplier. It's an inert gas, but if the > molecules are significantly smaller than nitrogen then there's no sense in > using it or if there are any issues with it interacting with rubber or oils. >>> >>> Mark Davis >>> N44YK >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.