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1. 01:00 AM - Re: CJ prop Dia. (ALEXGTPROPELLERS)
2. 08:00 AM - Re: Re: Rudder (Mark Davis)
3. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: Rudder (Bill Geipel)
4. 10:22 AM - Re: Re: Rudder (Walter Lannon)
5. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: Rudder (Mark Davis)
6. 12:09 PM - Re: Re: Rudder (Bill Geipel)
7. 12:18 PM - Goodby 2011 (Cpayne)
8. 09:31 PM - Re: Goodby 2011 (Roger Kemp M.D.)
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HI Walt and all.
Thanks these informations are much appreciated.
I guess starting with 97" is fine, we 're not constrained by any mold.
Considering the low engine power two blade models in our inventory were selected.
V19 and V 21, both gentle scimitar on leading edge,square tips,properly calculated
blade twist,not very wide in cord. ( cooling problem always in mind !! )
The benefits in terms of performance can be obtained only by diameter,blade twist
and dedicated airfoils. YAK experience told me we were right !
On the 3rd my team 'll machine the V21 blade, pics will be posted shortly.
BIG THANKS to American Propeller for their support in the GT/J9-G1 blade project.
All suggestions by CJ operators are ALWAYS welcomed
Best wishes.
Alex
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362076#362076
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#1 Dec 11 "Walter Lannon" Re: Rudder
#2 Dec 11 "A. Dennis Savarese" Re: Rudder
#3 Dec 11 "Dale" Re: Rudder
#4 Dec 11 Brian Lloyd Re: Rudder
#5 Dec 11 Thomas Smith Rudder
Walt,
I thought I'd missed something on the "Rudder" postings via e-mail so I
went back to the main matronics page
http://www.matronics.com/searching/ws_script.cgi and searched "rudder" and
found the above sequence. Now I'm even more confused regarding what brought
your angry response to Dale, given that his response wasn't directed toward
you since you hadn't offered any input on the original post that Dale's
input could have been directed to. Or am I missing something? It appears
to me that Dale offered his opinion on Thomas Smith's original post based on
his experience, just as Brian and Dennis did. There's a lot of experience
and varied opinions on this list. The differences of opinion are normally
worked out in back and forth discussions. But, in the end everyone has to
make their own decisions and sometimes agree to disagree or simply drop out
of the discussion. Everyone should feel free to either solicit or offer
opinions without someone questioning whether they're "from a different
planet". I've valued your opinions on this list since joining it five years
ago. Please take the personal attacks off list.
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@shaw.ca>
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder
>
> Dale;
>
> After having re-covered all control surfaces from CJ's, T6's, Dc3's, Beech
> Staggerwing, etc, etc over the last 50 years or so it seems I obviously
> don't know how!
> I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you are from a
> different planet where these things are done better?
>
> Walt
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dale" <hdinamic@qwest.net>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:36 PM
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Rudder
>
>
>>
>> To eliminate that problem the rudder needs to be covered in a jig that
>> holds the alignment while the fabric is tightened . This happens in
>> almost all cases and does not mean you have structural issues. The jig is
>> simple but needs to be used. You might try putting in on by pulling with
>> two people and a rope around the hinge. leave it for about a week and
>> see if it will relax, it will to a extent, or use some heat to use the
>> rudder post as a jig as a last resort to re-stretch the fabric 9 be real
>> careful.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362028#362028
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Walt,
What a Richard head.
Oops, I'm sorry Mark, I should take my personal attacks off line.
Let's just not respond to any of his postings. You know me very non PC.
I guess we should have known how great he is. Walt, we're you ever (hung) on a
cross or something like that?
Just stirring the pot and loving it.
Great new year to all. Even Walt.
Bill
On Dec 31, 2011, at 8:58 AM, "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> #1 Dec 11 "Walter Lannon" Re: Rudder
> #2 Dec 11 "A. Dennis Savarese" Re: Rudder
> #3 Dec 11 "Dale" Re: Rudder
> #4 Dec 11 Brian Lloyd Re: Rudder
> #5 Dec 11 Thomas Smith Rudder
>
>
> Walt,
> I thought I'd missed something on the "Rudder" postings via e-mail so I went back to the main matronics page http://www.matronics.com/searching/ws_script.cgi and searched "rudder" and found the above sequence. Now I'm even more confused regarding what brought your angry response to Dale, given that his response wasn't directed toward you since you hadn't offered any input on the original post that Dale's input could have been directed to. Or am I missing something? It appears to me that Dale offered his opinion on Thomas Smith's original post based on his experience, just as Brian and Dennis did. There's a lot of experience and varied opinions on this list. The differences of opinion are normally worked out in back and forth discussions. But, in the end everyone has to make their own decisions and sometimes agree to disagree or simply drop out of the discussion. Everyone should feel free to either solicit or offer opinions without someone questioning whether they're "from a different planet". I've valued your opinions on this list since joining it five years ago. Please take the personal attacks off list.
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@shaw.ca>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder
>
>
>>
>> Dale;
>>
>> After having re-covered all control surfaces from CJ's, T6's, Dc3's, Beech Staggerwing,
etc, etc over the last 50 years or so it seems I obviously don't know
how!
>> I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you are from a different
planet where these things are done better?
>>
>> Walt
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale" <hdinamic@qwest.net>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:36 PM
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Rudder
>>
>>
>>>
>>> To eliminate that problem the rudder needs to be covered in a jig that holds
the alignment while the fabric is tightened . This happens in almost all cases
and does not mean you have structural issues. The jig is simple but needs
to be used. You might try putting in on by pulling with two people and a rope
around the hinge. leave it for about a week and see if it will relax, it will
to a extent, or use some heat to use the rudder post as a jig as a last resort
to re-stretch the fabric 9 be real careful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362028#362028
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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To Dale and the rest of the list;
I started kicking my butt right after hitting the send key!
No excuses, that was totally uncalled for and I want to sincerely apologize
to Dale for it.
Walt
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> #1 Dec 11 "Walter Lannon" Re: Rudder
> #2 Dec 11 "A. Dennis Savarese" Re: Rudder
> #3 Dec 11 "Dale" Re: Rudder
> #4 Dec 11 Brian Lloyd Re: Rudder
> #5 Dec 11 Thomas Smith Rudder
>
>
> Walt,
> I thought I'd missed something on the "Rudder" postings via e-mail so
> I went back to the main matronics page
> http://www.matronics.com/searching/ws_script.cgi and searched "rudder" and
> found the above sequence. Now I'm even more confused regarding what
> brought your angry response to Dale, given that his response wasn't
> directed toward you since you hadn't offered any input on the original
> post that Dale's input could have been directed to. Or am I missing
> something? It appears to me that Dale offered his opinion on Thomas
> Smith's original post based on his experience, just as Brian and Dennis
> did. There's a lot of experience and varied opinions on this list. The
> differences of opinion are normally worked out in back and forth
> discussions. But, in the end everyone has to make their own decisions and
> sometimes agree to disagree or simply drop out of the discussion.
> Everyone should feel free to either solicit or offer opinions without
> someone questioning whether they're "from a different planet". I've
> valued your opinions on this list since joining it five years ago. Please
> take the personal attacks off list.
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@shaw.ca>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder
>
>
>>
>> Dale;
>>
>> After having re-covered all control surfaces from CJ's, T6's, Dc3's,
>> Beech Staggerwing, etc, etc over the last 50 years or so it seems I
>> obviously don't know how!
>> I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you are from a
>> different planet where these things are done better?
>>
>> Walt
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dale" <hdinamic@qwest.net>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:36 PM
>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Rudder
>>
>>
>>>
>>> To eliminate that problem the rudder needs to be covered in a jig that
>>> holds the alignment while the fabric is tightened . This happens in
>>> almost all cases and does not mean you have structural issues. The jig
>>> is simple but needs to be used. You might try putting in on by pulling
>>> with two people and a rope around the hinge. leave it for about a week
>>> and see if it will relax, it will to a extent, or use some heat to use
>>> the rudder post as a jig as a last resort to re-stretch the fabric 9 be
>>> real careful.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362028#362028
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Thanks Walt.
Happy New Year and Happy Landings to all!
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@shaw.ca>
Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder
>
> To Dale and the rest of the list;
>
> I started kicking my butt right after hitting the send key!
> No excuses, that was totally uncalled for and I want to sincerely
> apologize to Dale for it.
>
> Walt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 7:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder
>
>
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> #1 Dec 11 "Walter Lannon" Re: Rudder
>> #2 Dec 11 "A. Dennis Savarese" Re: Rudder
>> #3 Dec 11 "Dale" Re: Rudder
>> #4 Dec 11 Brian Lloyd Re: Rudder
>> #5 Dec 11 Thomas Smith Rudder
>>
>>
>> Walt,
>> I thought I'd missed something on the "Rudder" postings via e-mail so
>> I went back to the main matronics page
>> http://www.matronics.com/searching/ws_script.cgi and searched "rudder"
>> and found the above sequence. Now I'm even more confused regarding what
>> brought your angry response to Dale, given that his response wasn't
>> directed toward you since you hadn't offered any input on the original
>> post that Dale's input could have been directed to. Or am I missing
>> something? It appears to me that Dale offered his opinion on Thomas
>> Smith's original post based on his experience, just as Brian and Dennis
>> did. There's a lot of experience and varied opinions on this list. The
>> differences of opinion are normally worked out in back and forth
>> discussions. But, in the end everyone has to make their own decisions
>> and sometimes agree to disagree or simply drop out of the discussion.
>> Everyone should feel free to either solicit or offer opinions without
>> someone questioning whether they're "from a different planet". I've
>> valued your opinions on this list since joining it five years ago.
>> Please take the personal attacks off list.
>>
>> Mark Davis
>> N44YK
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@shaw.ca>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:08 PM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Dale;
>>>
>>> After having re-covered all control surfaces from CJ's, T6's, Dc3's,
>>> Beech Staggerwing, etc, etc over the last 50 years or so it seems I
>>> obviously don't know how!
>>> I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you are from a
>>> different planet where these things are done better?
>>>
>>> Walt
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Dale" <hdinamic@qwest.net>
>>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:36 PM
>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Rudder
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> To eliminate that problem the rudder needs to be covered in a jig that
>>>> holds the alignment while the fabric is tightened . This happens in
>>>> almost all cases and does not mean you have structural issues. The jig
>>>> is simple but needs to be used. You might try putting in on by pulling
>>>> with two people and a rope around the hinge. leave it for about a week
>>>> and see if it will relax, it will to a extent, or use some heat to use
>>>> the rudder post as a jig as a last resort to re-stretch the fabric 9 be
>>>> real careful.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362028#362028
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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You are a stand up guy.
Bill
On Dec 31, 2011, at 12:40 PM, "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks Walt.
>
> Happy New Year and Happy Landings to all!
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@shaw.ca>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:19 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder
>
>
>>
>> To Dale and the rest of the list;
>>
>> I started kicking my butt right after hitting the send key!
>> No excuses, that was totally uncalled for and I want to sincerely apologize
to Dale for it.
>>
>> Walt
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 7:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> #1 Dec 11 "Walter Lannon" Re: Rudder
>>> #2 Dec 11 "A. Dennis Savarese" Re: Rudder
>>> #3 Dec 11 "Dale" Re: Rudder
>>> #4 Dec 11 Brian Lloyd Re: Rudder
>>> #5 Dec 11 Thomas Smith Rudder
>>>
>>>
>>> Walt,
>>> I thought I'd missed something on the "Rudder" postings via e-mail so I went back to the main matronics page http://www.matronics.com/searching/ws_script.cgi and searched "rudder" and found the above sequence. Now I'm even more confused regarding what brought your angry response to Dale, given that his response wasn't directed toward you since you hadn't offered any input on the original post that Dale's input could have been directed to. Or am I missing something? It appears to me that Dale offered his opinion on Thomas Smith's original post based on his experience, just as Brian and Dennis did. There's a lot of experience and varied opinions on this list. The differences of opinion are normally worked out in back and forth discussions. But, in the end everyone has to make their own decisions and sometimes agree to disagree or simply drop out of the discussion. Everyone should feel free to either solicit or offer opinions without someone questioning whether they're "from a different planet". I've valued your opinions on this list since joining it five years ago. Please take the personal attacks off list.
>>>
>>> Mark Davis
>>> N44YK
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@shaw.ca>
>>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dale;
>>>>
>>>> After having re-covered all control surfaces from CJ's, T6's, Dc3's, Beech
Staggerwing, etc, etc over the last 50 years or so it seems I obviously don't
know how!
>>>> I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you are from a different
planet where these things are done better?
>>>>
>>>> Walt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale" <hdinamic@qwest.net>
>>>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:36 PM
>>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Rudder
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To eliminate that problem the rudder needs to be covered in a jig that holds
the alignment while the fabric is tightened . This happens in almost all
cases and does not mean you have structural issues. The jig is simple but needs
to be used. You might try putting in on by pulling with two people and a rope
around the hinge. leave it for about a week and see if it will relax, it will
to a extent, or use some heat to use the rudder post as a jig as a last resort
to re-stretch the fabric 9 be real careful.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362028#362028
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
>
>
>
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Finished some of my end-of-year rituals, cleaned the CJ early before the sun got
real hot. Fly around a little bit and then wipe the bugs off. Lunch with the
airport bums and now for a nap before the evening celebration out on a deck under
a balmy Florida night sky.
Best wishes to all my pals and loyal customers. Just wait until 2012 (not long
now). Interesting new products to introduce. More later.
Happy New Year!
Craig Payne
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Happy New Year, Craig.
Gave the YAK a rest for awhile. Went and worked my new English Setter puppy shooting
quail. He made it easy. A natural!
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Dec 31, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com> wrote:
>
> Finished some of my end-of-year rituals, cleaned the CJ early before the sun
got real hot. Fly around a little bit and then wipe the bugs off. Lunch with the
airport bums and now for a nap before the evening celebration out on a deck
under a balmy Florida night sky.
>
> Best wishes to all my pals and loyal customers. Just wait until 2012 (not long
now). Interesting new products to introduce. More later.
>
> Happy New Year!
> Craig Payne
>
>
>
>
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