---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/31/11: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:00 AM - Re: CJ prop Dia. (ALEXGTPROPELLERS) 2. 08:00 AM - Re: Re: Rudder (Mark Davis) 3. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: Rudder (Bill Geipel) 4. 10:22 AM - Re: Re: Rudder (Walter Lannon) 5. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: Rudder (Mark Davis) 6. 12:09 PM - Re: Re: Rudder (Bill Geipel) 7. 12:18 PM - Goodby 2011 (Cpayne) 8. 09:31 PM - Re: Goodby 2011 (Roger Kemp M.D.) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:18 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ prop Dia. From: "ALEXGTPROPELLERS" HI Walt and all. Thanks these informations are much appreciated. I guess starting with 97" is fine, we 're not constrained by any mold. Considering the low engine power two blade models in our inventory were selected. V19 and V 21, both gentle scimitar on leading edge,square tips,properly calculated blade twist,not very wide in cord. ( cooling problem always in mind !! ) The benefits in terms of performance can be obtained only by diameter,blade twist and dedicated airfoils. YAK experience told me we were right ! On the 3rd my team 'll machine the V21 blade, pics will be posted shortly. BIG THANKS to American Propeller for their support in the GT/J9-G1 blade project. All suggestions by CJ operators are ALWAYS welcomed Best wishes. Alex Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362076#362076 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:48 AM PST US From: "Mark Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- #1 Dec 11 "Walter Lannon" Re: Rudder #2 Dec 11 "A. Dennis Savarese" Re: Rudder #3 Dec 11 "Dale" Re: Rudder #4 Dec 11 Brian Lloyd Re: Rudder #5 Dec 11 Thomas Smith Rudder Walt, I thought I'd missed something on the "Rudder" postings via e-mail so I went back to the main matronics page http://www.matronics.com/searching/ws_script.cgi and searched "rudder" and found the above sequence. Now I'm even more confused regarding what brought your angry response to Dale, given that his response wasn't directed toward you since you hadn't offered any input on the original post that Dale's input could have been directed to. Or am I missing something? It appears to me that Dale offered his opinion on Thomas Smith's original post based on his experience, just as Brian and Dennis did. There's a lot of experience and varied opinions on this list. The differences of opinion are normally worked out in back and forth discussions. But, in the end everyone has to make their own decisions and sometimes agree to disagree or simply drop out of the discussion. Everyone should feel free to either solicit or offer opinions without someone questioning whether they're "from a different planet". I've valued your opinions on this list since joining it five years ago. Please take the personal attacks off list. Mark Davis N44YK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Lannon" Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:08 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder > > Dale; > > After having re-covered all control surfaces from CJ's, T6's, Dc3's, Beech > Staggerwing, etc, etc over the last 50 years or so it seems I obviously > don't know how! > I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you are from a > different planet where these things are done better? > > Walt > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dale" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:36 PM > Subject: Yak-List: Re: Rudder > > >> >> To eliminate that problem the rudder needs to be covered in a jig that >> holds the alignment while the fabric is tightened . This happens in >> almost all cases and does not mean you have structural issues. The jig is >> simple but needs to be used. You might try putting in on by pulling with >> two people and a rope around the hinge. leave it for about a week and >> see if it will relax, it will to a extent, or use some heat to use the >> rudder post as a jig as a last resort to re-stretch the fabric 9 be real >> careful. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362028#362028 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:58 AM PST US From: Bill Geipel Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder Walt, What a Richard head. Oops, I'm sorry Mark, I should take my personal attacks off line. Let's just not respond to any of his postings. You know me very non PC. I guess we should have known how great he is. Walt, we're you ever (hung) on a cross or something like that? Just stirring the pot and loving it. Great new year to all. Even Walt. Bill On Dec 31, 2011, at 8:58 AM, "Mark Davis" wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > #1 Dec 11 "Walter Lannon" Re: Rudder > #2 Dec 11 "A. Dennis Savarese" Re: Rudder > #3 Dec 11 "Dale" Re: Rudder > #4 Dec 11 Brian Lloyd Re: Rudder > #5 Dec 11 Thomas Smith Rudder > > > Walt, > I thought I'd missed something on the "Rudder" postings via e-mail so I went back to the main matronics page http://www.matronics.com/searching/ws_script.cgi and searched "rudder" and found the above sequence. Now I'm even more confused regarding what brought your angry response to Dale, given that his response wasn't directed toward you since you hadn't offered any input on the original post that Dale's input could have been directed to. Or am I missing something? It appears to me that Dale offered his opinion on Thomas Smith's original post based on his experience, just as Brian and Dennis did. There's a lot of experience and varied opinions on this list. The differences of opinion are normally worked out in back and forth discussions. But, in the end everyone has to make their own decisions and sometimes agree to disagree or simply drop out of the discussion. Everyone should feel free to either solicit or offer opinions without someone questioning whether they're "from a different planet". I've valued your opinions on this list since joining it five years ago. Please take the personal attacks off list. > > Mark Davis > N44YK > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Lannon" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:08 PM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder > > >> >> Dale; >> >> After having re-covered all control surfaces from CJ's, T6's, Dc3's, Beech Staggerwing, etc, etc over the last 50 years or so it seems I obviously don't know how! >> I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you are from a different planet where these things are done better? >> >> Walt >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:36 PM >> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Rudder >> >> >>> >>> To eliminate that problem the rudder needs to be covered in a jig that holds the alignment while the fabric is tightened . This happens in almost all cases and does not mean you have structural issues. The jig is simple but needs to be used. You might try putting in on by pulling with two people and a rope around the hinge. leave it for about a week and see if it will relax, it will to a extent, or use some heat to use the rudder post as a jig as a last resort to re-stretch the fabric 9 be real careful. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362028#362028 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:32 AM PST US From: "Walter Lannon" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder To Dale and the rest of the list; I started kicking my butt right after hitting the send key! No excuses, that was totally uncalled for and I want to sincerely apologize to Dale for it. Walt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Davis" Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 7:58 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > #1 Dec 11 "Walter Lannon" Re: Rudder > #2 Dec 11 "A. Dennis Savarese" Re: Rudder > #3 Dec 11 "Dale" Re: Rudder > #4 Dec 11 Brian Lloyd Re: Rudder > #5 Dec 11 Thomas Smith Rudder > > > Walt, > I thought I'd missed something on the "Rudder" postings via e-mail so > I went back to the main matronics page > http://www.matronics.com/searching/ws_script.cgi and searched "rudder" and > found the above sequence. Now I'm even more confused regarding what > brought your angry response to Dale, given that his response wasn't > directed toward you since you hadn't offered any input on the original > post that Dale's input could have been directed to. Or am I missing > something? It appears to me that Dale offered his opinion on Thomas > Smith's original post based on his experience, just as Brian and Dennis > did. There's a lot of experience and varied opinions on this list. The > differences of opinion are normally worked out in back and forth > discussions. But, in the end everyone has to make their own decisions and > sometimes agree to disagree or simply drop out of the discussion. > Everyone should feel free to either solicit or offer opinions without > someone questioning whether they're "from a different planet". I've > valued your opinions on this list since joining it five years ago. Please > take the personal attacks off list. > > Mark Davis > N44YK > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Walter Lannon" > To: > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:08 PM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder > > >> >> Dale; >> >> After having re-covered all control surfaces from CJ's, T6's, Dc3's, >> Beech Staggerwing, etc, etc over the last 50 years or so it seems I >> obviously don't know how! >> I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you are from a >> different planet where these things are done better? >> >> Walt >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dale" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:36 PM >> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Rudder >> >> >>> >>> To eliminate that problem the rudder needs to be covered in a jig that >>> holds the alignment while the fabric is tightened . This happens in >>> almost all cases and does not mean you have structural issues. The jig >>> is simple but needs to be used. You might try putting in on by pulling >>> with two people and a rope around the hinge. leave it for about a week >>> and see if it will relax, it will to a extent, or use some heat to use >>> the rudder post as a jig as a last resort to re-stretch the fabric 9 be >>> real careful. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Read this topic online here: >>> >>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362028#362028 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:44:21 AM PST US From: "Mark Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder Thanks Walt. Happy New Year and Happy Landings to all! Mark Davis N44YK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Lannon" Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:19 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder > > To Dale and the rest of the list; > > I started kicking my butt right after hitting the send key! > No excuses, that was totally uncalled for and I want to sincerely > apologize to Dale for it. > > Walt > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Davis" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 7:58 AM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder > > >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> #1 Dec 11 "Walter Lannon" Re: Rudder >> #2 Dec 11 "A. Dennis Savarese" Re: Rudder >> #3 Dec 11 "Dale" Re: Rudder >> #4 Dec 11 Brian Lloyd Re: Rudder >> #5 Dec 11 Thomas Smith Rudder >> >> >> Walt, >> I thought I'd missed something on the "Rudder" postings via e-mail so >> I went back to the main matronics page >> http://www.matronics.com/searching/ws_script.cgi and searched "rudder" >> and found the above sequence. Now I'm even more confused regarding what >> brought your angry response to Dale, given that his response wasn't >> directed toward you since you hadn't offered any input on the original >> post that Dale's input could have been directed to. Or am I missing >> something? It appears to me that Dale offered his opinion on Thomas >> Smith's original post based on his experience, just as Brian and Dennis >> did. There's a lot of experience and varied opinions on this list. The >> differences of opinion are normally worked out in back and forth >> discussions. But, in the end everyone has to make their own decisions >> and sometimes agree to disagree or simply drop out of the discussion. >> Everyone should feel free to either solicit or offer opinions without >> someone questioning whether they're "from a different planet". I've >> valued your opinions on this list since joining it five years ago. >> Please take the personal attacks off list. >> >> Mark Davis >> N44YK >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Walter Lannon" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:08 PM >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder >> >> >>> >>> Dale; >>> >>> After having re-covered all control surfaces from CJ's, T6's, Dc3's, >>> Beech Staggerwing, etc, etc over the last 50 years or so it seems I >>> obviously don't know how! >>> I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you are from a >>> different planet where these things are done better? >>> >>> Walt >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Dale" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:36 PM >>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Rudder >>> >>> >>>> >>>> To eliminate that problem the rudder needs to be covered in a jig that >>>> holds the alignment while the fabric is tightened . This happens in >>>> almost all cases and does not mean you have structural issues. The jig >>>> is simple but needs to be used. You might try putting in on by pulling >>>> with two people and a rope around the hinge. leave it for about a week >>>> and see if it will relax, it will to a extent, or use some heat to use >>>> the rudder post as a jig as a last resort to re-stretch the fabric 9 be >>>> real careful. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Read this topic online here: >>>> >>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362028#362028 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder From: Bill Geipel You are a stand up guy. Bill On Dec 31, 2011, at 12:40 PM, "Mark Davis" wrote: > > Thanks Walt. > > Happy New Year and Happy Landings to all! > > Mark Davis > N44YK > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Lannon" > To: > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:19 AM > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder > > >> >> To Dale and the rest of the list; >> >> I started kicking my butt right after hitting the send key! >> No excuses, that was totally uncalled for and I want to sincerely apologize to Dale for it. >> >> Walt >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Davis" >> To: >> Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 7:58 AM >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder >> >> >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> #1 Dec 11 "Walter Lannon" Re: Rudder >>> #2 Dec 11 "A. Dennis Savarese" Re: Rudder >>> #3 Dec 11 "Dale" Re: Rudder >>> #4 Dec 11 Brian Lloyd Re: Rudder >>> #5 Dec 11 Thomas Smith Rudder >>> >>> >>> Walt, >>> I thought I'd missed something on the "Rudder" postings via e-mail so I went back to the main matronics page http://www.matronics.com/searching/ws_script.cgi and searched "rudder" and found the above sequence. Now I'm even more confused regarding what brought your angry response to Dale, given that his response wasn't directed toward you since you hadn't offered any input on the original post that Dale's input could have been directed to. Or am I missing something? It appears to me that Dale offered his opinion on Thomas Smith's original post based on his experience, just as Brian and Dennis did. There's a lot of experience and varied opinions on this list. The differences of opinion are normally worked out in back and forth discussions. But, in the end everyone has to make their own decisions and sometimes agree to disagree or simply drop out of the discussion. Everyone should feel free to either solicit or offer opinions without someone questioning whether they're "from a different planet". I've valued your opinions on this list since joining it five years ago. Please take the personal attacks off list. >>> >>> Mark Davis >>> N44YK >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Lannon" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 9:08 PM >>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Rudder >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Dale; >>>> >>>> After having re-covered all control surfaces from CJ's, T6's, Dc3's, Beech Staggerwing, etc, etc over the last 50 years or so it seems I obviously don't know how! >>>> I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you are from a different planet where these things are done better? >>>> >>>> Walt >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale" >>>> To: >>>> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 12:36 PM >>>> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Rudder >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> To eliminate that problem the rudder needs to be covered in a jig that holds the alignment while the fabric is tightened . This happens in almost all cases and does not mean you have structural issues. The jig is simple but needs to be used. You might try putting in on by pulling with two people and a rope around the hinge. leave it for about a week and see if it will relax, it will to a extent, or use some heat to use the rudder post as a jig as a last resort to re-stretch the fabric 9 be real careful. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>> >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362028#362028 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:06 PM PST US From: Cpayne Subject: Yak-List: Goodby 2011 Finished some of my end-of-year rituals, cleaned the CJ early before the sun got real hot. Fly around a little bit and then wipe the bugs off. Lunch with the airport bums and now for a nap before the evening celebration out on a deck under a balmy Florida night sky. Best wishes to all my pals and loyal customers. Just wait until 2012 (not long now). Interesting new products to introduce. More later. Happy New Year! Craig Payne ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:31:10 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Goodby 2011 From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Happy New Year, Craig. Gave the YAK a rest for awhile. Went and worked my new English Setter puppy shooting quail. He made it easy. A natural! Doc Sent from my iPad On Dec 31, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Cpayne wrote: > > Finished some of my end-of-year rituals, cleaned the CJ early before the sun got real hot. Fly around a little bit and then wipe the bugs off. Lunch with the airport bums and now for a nap before the evening celebration out on a deck under a balmy Florida night sky. > > Best wishes to all my pals and loyal customers. Just wait until 2012 (not long now). Interesting new products to introduce. More later. > > Happy New Year! > Craig Payne > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.