Yak-List Digest Archive

Mon 01/23/12


Total Messages Posted: 17



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     1. 05:33 AM - Yak 52 (TW?) Fatal Crash in New Zealand (Jill Gernetzke)
     2. 08:50 AM - Re: J9-G1 prop problem (Pete Fowler)
     3. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: J9-G1 prop problem (Roger Kemp)
     4. 11:40 AM - Re: Re: J9-G1 prop problem (Brian Lloyd)
     5. 12:02 PM - Re: Re: J9-G1 prop problem (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
     6. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: J9-G1 prop problem (A. Dennis Savarese)
     7. 12:32 PM - Re: Re: J9-G1 prop problem (A. Dennis Savarese)
     8. 12:35 PM - Re: Yak 52 (TW?) Fatal Crash in New Zealand (Etienne Verhellen)
     9. 01:00 PM - Re: Re: J9-G1 prop problem (Tom Elliott)
    10. 01:29 PM - Re: Re: J9-G1 prop problem (Roger Kemp)
    11. 03:06 PM - Re: Re: J9-G1 prop problem (Brian Lloyd)
    12. 04:05 PM - Re: J9-G1 prop problem (Pete Fowler)
    13. 05:19 PM - Re: Re: J9-G1 prop problem (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
    14. 05:20 PM - Re: Re: J9-G1 prop problem (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
    15. 05:25 PM - Re: Re: J9-G1 prop problem (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
    16. 07:42 PM - Re: Re: J9-G1 prop problem (Roger Kemp)
    17. 08:14 PM - For RPA members heading for S-n-F (cjpilot710@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:33:15 AM PST US
    From: "Jill Gernetzke" <jill@m-14p.com>
    Subject: Yak 52 (TW?) Fatal Crash in New Zealand
    Group, We received this news yesterday: http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/two-friends-die-small-plane-crashes-into-par k-4698019 On radio, folks said these guys were well know in the area, and one of them was based there, as was the plane. The other used to be in the Manawatu, too. Not sure if this was his field. Some relatives overseas and they're trying to get in touch. No names yet. " The two-seater Aerostar Yak 52TW aircraft crashed..." Very sad news. Jill M-14P, Inc.


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    Time: 08:50:44 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: J9-G1 prop problem
    From: "Pete Fowler" <pfdesign1@cox.net>
    After thoroughly cleaning the hub, the issue was that it still had the Chinese grease. I can't believe someone installed a prop hub without cleaning and changing the grease to Aeroshell 5 but that's what happened. Works better than new now that it's all cleaned, re-greased and I put new seals in while I had it apart. If you have one of these hubs (Yak or CJ) and aren't 100% sure that it has U.S. grease, and it's not getting cleaned, inspected and redone every year during your conditionals...you should do it NOW. Two guys literally could not move the prop with the piston removed with that grease in there. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364566#364566


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    Time: 11:10:29 AM PST US
    From: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: J9-G1 prop problem
    Every Year? Rebuild the prop? Especially after cleaning it completely and re assembling with US grease along with new seals. Doc -----Original Message----- >From: Pete Fowler <pfdesign1@cox.net> >Sent: Jan 23, 2012 10:47 AM >To: yak-list@matronics.com >Subject: Yak-List: Re: J9-G1 prop problem > > >After thoroughly cleaning the hub, the issue was that it still had the Chinese grease. I can't believe someone installed a prop hub without cleaning and changing the grease to Aeroshell 5 but that's what happened. Works better than new now that it's all cleaned, re-greased and I put new seals in while I had it apart. > >If you have one of these hubs (Yak or CJ) and aren't 100% sure that it has U.S. grease, and it's not getting cleaned, inspected and redone every year during your conditionals...you should do it NOW. > >Two guys literally could not move the prop with the piston removed with that grease in there. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364566#364566 > >


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    Time: 11:40:55 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: J9-G1 prop problem
    From: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
    On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote: > > Every Year? Rebuild the prop? Especially after cleaning it completely and re assembling with US grease along with new seals. I thought he was just suggesting cleaning it and replacing the grease on an annual basis. I agree that might be overkill but I don't think it would be a bad thing. -- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL 3191 Western Dr. Cameron Park, CA 95682 brian@lloyd.com +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica) +1.916.877.5067 (USA)


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    Time: 12:02:18 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: J9-G1 prop problem
    From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
    Greasing the hub means pulling the blades out of the hub, which also means re-indexing the blades when you put them back in. It also means replacing all the seals. Personally, if my prop moves freely and does not leak oil or grease, I don't pull the blades out every year just to put new grease in. Different story if they are spewing grease out of the seals and all over the blades! I'll probably be shot at sun-rise for admitting that. But that is just me making a risk versus value assessment. To each his own. Mark Bitterlich p.s. On the same note: Both mags have grease inside their gear reduction assembly. Which probably means that we should ........ ?? (!!) -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 2:39 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: J9-G1 prop problem On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote: > > Every Year? Rebuild the prop? Especially after cleaning it completely and re assembling with US grease along with new seals. I thought he was just suggesting cleaning it and replacing the grease on an annual basis. I agree that might be overkill but I don't think it would be a bad thing. -- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL 3191 Western Dr. Cameron Park, CA 95682 brian@lloyd.com +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica) +1.916.877.5067 (USA)


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    Time: 12:22:23 PM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: J9-G1 prop problem
    Actually you don't have to pull the blades to clean and grease the bearings. The only time one needs to pull the blades is to 1) replace the seals inside the large castellated nuts by removing the counterweight collars and then sliding the large castellated nuts out over the opening or 2) to replace the blades or remove them to have them refinished. To grease the hub all one has to do is remove the large castellated nut locking tab in the front of the hub and unscrew the large castellated nut. This will expose the inner bearing and race, the slider. The outer bearing will be accessible on the blade assembly that is removed as an assembly when you unscrew the large castellated nut. Of course the prop hub dome and piston must be removed first. If there are weights mounted on the large castellated nuts, be certain to mark them and their position in relation to the hub before removing them. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-6263 334-546-8182 (cell) Skype: Yakguy1 www.yak-52.com On 1/23/2012 1:58 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> > > Greasing the hub means pulling the blades out of the hub, which also > means re-indexing the blades when you put them back in. It also means > replacing all the seals. > > Personally, if my prop moves freely and does not leak oil or grease, I > don't pull the blades out every year just to put new grease in. > Different story if they are spewing grease out of the seals and all over > the blades! > > I'll probably be shot at sun-rise for admitting that. But that is > just me making a risk versus value assessment. To each his own. > > Mark Bitterlich > > p.s. On the same note: Both mags have grease inside their gear > reduction assembly. Which probably means that we should ........ ?? > (!!) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 2:39 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: J9-G1 prop problem > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd<brian@lloyd.com> > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Roger Kemp<viperdoc@mindspring.com> > wrote: >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp<viperdoc@mindspring.com> >> >> Every Year? Rebuild the prop? Especially after cleaning it completely > and re assembling with US grease along with new seals. > > I thought he was just suggesting cleaning it and replacing the grease > on an annual basis. I agree that might be overkill but I don't think > it would be a bad thing. >


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    Time: 12:32:21 PM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: J9-G1 prop problem
    BTW, removing the entire blade assembly as mentioned does not affect the blades angles since the counterweight collar is not loosened as it would be to unscrew a blade. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-6263 334-546-8182 (cell) Skype: Yakguy1 www.yak-52.com On 1/23/2012 2:19 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote: > <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> > > Actually you don't have to pull the blades to clean and grease the > bearings. The only time one needs to pull the blades is to 1) replace > the seals inside the large castellated nuts by removing the > counterweight collars and then sliding the large castellated nuts out > over the opening or 2) to replace the blades or remove them to have > them refinished. > > To grease the hub all one has to do is remove the large castellated > nut locking tab in the front of the hub and unscrew the large > castellated nut. This will expose the inner bearing and race, the > slider. The outer bearing will be accessible on the blade assembly > that is removed as an assembly when you unscrew the large castellated > nut. Of course the prop hub dome and piston must be removed first. > > If there are weights mounted on the large castellated nuts, be certain > to mark them and their position in relation to the hub before removing > them. > > Dennis > > A. Dennis Savarese > 334-285-6263 > 334-546-8182 (cell) > Skype: Yakguy1 > www.yak-52.com > > > On 1/23/2012 1:58 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 > 64E wrote: >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry >> Point, MALS-14 64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> >> >> Greasing the hub means pulling the blades out of the hub, which also >> means re-indexing the blades when you put them back in. It also means >> replacing all the seals. >> >> Personally, if my prop moves freely and does not leak oil or grease, I >> don't pull the blades out every year just to put new grease in. >> Different story if they are spewing grease out of the seals and all over >> the blades! >> >> I'll probably be shot at sun-rise for admitting that. But that is >> just me making a risk versus value assessment. To each his own. >> >> Mark Bitterlich >> >> p.s. On the same note: Both mags have grease inside their gear >> reduction assembly. Which probably means that we should ........ ?? >> (!!) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd >> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 2:39 PM >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: J9-G1 prop problem >> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd<brian@lloyd.com> >> >> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Roger Kemp<viperdoc@mindspring.com> >> wrote: >>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp<viperdoc@mindspring.com> >>> >>> Every Year? Rebuild the prop? Especially after cleaning it completely >> and re assembling with US grease along with new seals. >> >> I thought he was just suggesting cleaning it and replacing the grease >> on an annual basis. I agree that might be overkill but I don't think >> it would be a bad thing. >> > >


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    Time: 12:35:08 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Yak 52 (TW?) Fatal Crash in New Zealand
    From: "Etienne Verhellen" <janie@yak52.fr>
    For info : http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=142024 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364595#364595


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    Time: 01:00:16 PM PST US
    From: "Tom Elliott" <N13472@aol.com>
    Subject: Re: J9-G1 prop problem
    The Chinese manual say's to pack some grease on the inside of the hub on the bearing area. As there are no inside seals centrifugal force will push / pull the grease into the bearing race area. When I do this to mine I get a small amount of grease coming out past the seals for the next couple of flights. Tom Elliott CJ-6A NX63727 777 Quartz Ave PMB 7004 Sandy Valley NV 89019 Cell 702-595-2680 -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 12:30 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: J9-G1 prop problem --> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> BTW, removing the entire blade assembly as mentioned does not affect the blades angles since the counterweight collar is not loosened as it would be to unscrew a blade. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-6263 334-546-8182 (cell) Skype: Yakguy1 www.yak-52.com On 1/23/2012 2:19 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote: > <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> > > Actually you don't have to pull the blades to clean and grease the > bearings. The only time one needs to pull the blades is to 1) replace > the seals inside the large castellated nuts by removing the > counterweight collars and then sliding the large castellated nuts out > over the opening or 2) to replace the blades or remove them to have > them refinished. > > To grease the hub all one has to do is remove the large castellated > nut locking tab in the front of the hub and unscrew the large > castellated nut. This will expose the inner bearing and race, the > slider. The outer bearing will be accessible on the blade assembly > that is removed as an assembly when you unscrew the large castellated > nut. Of course the prop hub dome and piston must be removed first. > > If there are weights mounted on the large castellated nuts, be certain > to mark them and their position in relation to the hub before removing > them. > > Dennis > > A. Dennis Savarese > 334-285-6263 > 334-546-8182 (cell) > Skype: Yakguy1 > www.yak-52.com > > > On 1/23/2012 1:58 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 > 64E wrote: >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry >> Point, MALS-14 64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> >> >> Greasing the hub means pulling the blades out of the hub, which also >> means re-indexing the blades when you put them back in. It also >> means replacing all the seals. >> >> Personally, if my prop moves freely and does not leak oil or grease, >> I don't pull the blades out every year just to put new grease in. >> Different story if they are spewing grease out of the seals and all >> over the blades! >> >> I'll probably be shot at sun-rise for admitting that. But that is >> just me making a risk versus value assessment. To each his own. >> >> Mark Bitterlich >> >> p.s. On the same note: Both mags have grease inside their gear >> reduction assembly. Which probably means that we should ........ ?? >> (!!) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd >> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 2:39 PM >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: J9-G1 prop problem >> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd<brian@lloyd.com> >> >> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Roger Kemp<viperdoc@mindspring.com> >> wrote: >>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp<viperdoc@mindspring.com> >>> >>> Every Year? Rebuild the prop? Especially after cleaning it >>> completely >> and re assembling with US grease along with new seals. >> >> I thought he was just suggesting cleaning it and replacing the grease >> on an annual basis. I agree that might be overkill but I don't think >> it would be a bad thing. >> > > ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com


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    Time: 01:29:12 PM PST US
    From: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: J9-G1 prop problem
    Alot of extra work for little return. If memory serves correct since I don't have my maint. manual at hand currently but...200 hours comes to mind for the Yak. I could be wrong. Maybe different for the CJ. Doc -----Original Message----- >From: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> >Sent: Jan 23, 2012 1:38 PM >To: yak-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: J9-G1 prop problem > > >On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote: >> >> Every Year? Rebuild the prop? Especially after cleaning it completely and re assembling with US grease along with new seals. > >I thought he was just suggesting cleaning it and replacing the grease >on an annual basis. I agree that might be overkill but I don't think >it would be a bad thing. > >-- >Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL >3191 Western Dr. >Cameron Park, CA 95682 >brian@lloyd.com >+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica) >+1.916.877.5067 (USA) > >


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    Time: 03:06:03 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: J9-G1 prop problem
    From: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com>
    On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote: > > Alot of extra work for little return. If memory serves correct since I don't have my maint. manual at hand currently but...200 hours comes to mind for the Yak. I could be wrong. Maybe different for the CJ. You don't fly your airplane 200 hours per year? I know that when I had my (flying) CJ I certainly did. -- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL 3191 Western Dr. Cameron Park, CA 95682 brian@lloyd.com +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica) +1.916.877.5067 (USA)


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    Time: 04:05:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: J9-G1 prop problem
    From: "Pete Fowler" <pfdesign1@cox.net>
    I'm interested in what material the bushing inside the hub nut was. It looked like plastic or wood or something but that was some funkey purple plastic! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364624#364624


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    Time: 05:19:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: J9-G1 prop problem
    From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
    I stand corrected. Thank you Dennis. Mark p.s. I greased my prop 5 years ago and replaced the prop blade seals at the same time. (They were leaking grease). Since then I have not done anything with the prop except inspect it carefully before and after every flight). I encourage everyone to make their own decisions. ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Mon 1/23/2012 3:19 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: J9-G1 prop problem Actually you don't have to pull the blades to clean and grease the bearings. The only time one needs to pull the blades is to 1) replace the seals inside the large castellated nuts by removing the counterweight collars and then sliding the large castellated nuts out over the opening or 2) to replace the blades or remove them to have them refinished. To grease the hub all one has to do is remove the large castellated nut locking tab in the front of the hub and unscrew the large castellated nut. This will expose the inner bearing and race, the slider. The outer bearing will be accessible on the blade assembly that is removed as an assembly when you unscrew the large castellated nut. Of course the prop hub dome and piston must be removed first. If there are weights mounted on the large castellated nuts, be certain to mark them and their position in relation to the hub before removing them. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-6263 334-546-8182 (cell) Skype: Yakguy1 www.yak-52.com On 1/23/2012 1:58 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> > > Greasing the hub means pulling the blades out of the hub, which also > means re-indexing the blades when you put them back in. It also means > replacing all the seals. > > Personally, if my prop moves freely and does not leak oil or grease, I > don't pull the blades out every year just to put new grease in. > Different story if they are spewing grease out of the seals and all over > the blades! > > I'll probably be shot at sun-rise for admitting that. But that is > just me making a risk versus value assessment. To each his own. > > Mark Bitterlich > > p.s. On the same note: Both mags have grease inside their gear > reduction assembly. Which probably means that we should ........ ?? > (!!) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 2:39 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: J9-G1 prop problem > > --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd<brian@lloyd.com> > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Roger Kemp<viperdoc@mindspring.com> > wrote: >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp<viperdoc@mindspring.com> >> >> Every Year? Rebuild the prop? Especially after cleaning it completely > and re assembling with US grease along with new seals. > > I thought he was just suggesting cleaning it and replacing the grease > on an annual basis. I agree that might be overkill but I don't think > it would be a bad thing. >


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    Time: 05:20:28 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: J9-G1 prop problem
    From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
    I unscrewed the blades. ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Mon 1/23/2012 3:29 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: J9-G1 prop problem BTW, removing the entire blade assembly as mentioned does not affect the blades angles since the counterweight collar is not loosened as it would be to unscrew a blade. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-6263 334-546-8182 (cell) Skype: Yakguy1 www.yak-52.com On 1/23/2012 2:19 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote: > <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> > > Actually you don't have to pull the blades to clean and grease the > bearings. The only time one needs to pull the blades is to 1) replace > the seals inside the large castellated nuts by removing the > counterweight collars and then sliding the large castellated nuts out > over the opening or 2) to replace the blades or remove them to have > them refinished. > > To grease the hub all one has to do is remove the large castellated > nut locking tab in the front of the hub and unscrew the large > castellated nut. This will expose the inner bearing and race, the > slider. The outer bearing will be accessible on the blade assembly > that is removed as an assembly when you unscrew the large castellated > nut. Of course the prop hub dome and piston must be removed first. > > If there are weights mounted on the large castellated nuts, be certain > to mark them and their position in relation to the hub before removing > them. > > Dennis > > A. Dennis Savarese > 334-285-6263 > 334-546-8182 (cell) > Skype: Yakguy1 > www.yak-52.com > > > On 1/23/2012 1:58 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 > 64E wrote: >> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry >> Point, MALS-14 64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> >> >> Greasing the hub means pulling the blades out of the hub, which also >> means re-indexing the blades when you put them back in. It also means >> replacing all the seals. >> >> Personally, if my prop moves freely and does not leak oil or grease, I >> don't pull the blades out every year just to put new grease in. >> Different story if they are spewing grease out of the seals and all over >> the blades! >> >> I'll probably be shot at sun-rise for admitting that. But that is >> just me making a risk versus value assessment. To each his own. >> >> Mark Bitterlich >> >> p.s. On the same note: Both mags have grease inside their gear >> reduction assembly. Which probably means that we should ........ ?? >> (!!) >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd >> Sent: Monday, January 23, 2012 2:39 PM >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: J9-G1 prop problem >> >> --> Yak-List message posted by: Brian Lloyd<brian@lloyd.com> >> >> On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Roger Kemp<viperdoc@mindspring.com> >> wrote: >>> --> Yak-List message posted by: Roger Kemp<viperdoc@mindspring.com> >>> >>> Every Year? Rebuild the prop? Especially after cleaning it completely >> and re assembling with US grease along with new seals. >> >> I thought he was just suggesting cleaning it and replacing the grease >> on an annual basis. I agree that might be overkill but I don't think >> it would be a bad thing. >> > >


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    Time: 05:25:55 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: J9-G1 prop problem
    From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
    I don't either Brian. About 100 hours per year for the first couple of years, and now less than that. Of course I have two airplanes to fly and they both have been flying constantly since I purchased them. No down time. :-) Mark ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Brian Lloyd Sent: Mon 1/23/2012 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: J9-G1 prop problem On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote: > > Alot of extra work for little return. If memory serves correct since I don't have my maint. manual at hand currently but...200 hours comes to mind for the Yak. I could be wrong. Maybe different for the CJ. You don't fly your airplane 200 hours per year? I know that when I had my (flying) CJ I certainly did. -- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL 3191 Western Dr. Cameron Park, CA 95682 brian@lloyd.com +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica) +1.916.877.5067 (USA)


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    Time: 07:42:48 PM PST US
    From: Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: J9-G1 prop problem
    Nay. Doc -----Original Message----- >From: Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> >Sent: Jan 23, 2012 5:02 PM >To: yak-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: J9-G1 prop problem > > >On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Roger Kemp <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote: >> >> Alot of extra work for little return. If memory serves correct since I don't have my maint. manual at hand currently but...200 hours comes to mind for the Yak. I could be wrong. Maybe different for the CJ. > >You don't fly your airplane 200 hours per year? I know that when I had >my (flying) CJ I certainly did. > >-- >Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL >3191 Western Dr. >Cameron Park, CA 95682 >brian@lloyd.com >+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica) >+1.916.877.5067 (USA) > >


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    Time: 08:14:06 PM PST US
    From: cjpilot710@aol.com
    Subject: For RPA members heading for S-n-F
    Once again RPA will carry the flag to the South. It promises to be a banner year with S&F buying fuel. MUST PRE REGISITER WITH EAAWB for these bennies. 1. Free fuel fill-up upon arrival with pre-registration. 2. Admission to Airshow Performers Tent (includes daily lunch). 3. Admission to Airshow Performers Party on Saturday night. 4. Specialty Aircraft can receive an upgraded Hospitality package with consideration on a one on one basis. (not sure what that means) 5. Wristbands Bomber = 9 wristbands, Transports= 7, Fighter/jets= 5, Trainers/Liaison = 3. 6. Those who pre-register will receive 2 extra wristbands. 7. Legitimate USMC aircraft will get 4 additional wristbands. Start Date: Monday, March 26, 2012 End Date: Sunday, April 1, 2012 Make sure you sign up on the RPA (_www.flyredstar.org_ (http://www.flyredstar.org) ) site too since we need to plan for supplies, table, chairs, tent size, etc etc. The hotel is: Red Rose Inn & Suites 2011 North Wheeler St. Plant City, Fl. 813-752-3141 $69.00 / night From March 27 to Apr. 1. I've blocked 10 rooms. We can book more if we go over 10. All will be double beds. The hotel is on the north side of Plant City (NW of LAL) right off I-4. VERY easy drive to airshow. It has bar and restaurant, internet etc. 4 stars. This was the closest I could find under $100/nt. that was not already booked. Members must book themselves under "Red Star Pilots". I'd do it soon as there are few rooms left anywhere near LAL. Also plan on coming down early and stop by Wings of Flagler airshow March 23 to 25. Our own Bill (Pirate) Kim (Heels) Mills are running a big show at Flagler Co (KXFL). Go to _www.yakrobatic.com_ (http://www.yakrobatic.com/) , or _kinberly@wingsoverflagler.com_ (mailto:kinberly@wingsoverflagler.com) , for information and to contact Kim for details. From there you can go right to S-N-F.




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