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1. 04:35 AM - Re: New Airworthiness Directive (Richard Hess)
2. 04:58 AM - Re: New Airworthiness Directive (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 05:05 AM - Re: Air bottles (Jill Gernetzke)
4. 05:21 AM - Re: New Airworthiness Directive (George Coy)
5. 05:25 AM - Re: Re: Air bottles (netmaster15@juno.com)
6. 08:25 AM - Re: New Airworthiness Directive (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
7. 08:26 AM - Re: New Airworthiness Directive (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
8. 10:18 AM - basic lube question (Philip Nicholson)
9. 11:36 AM - Oil temp sensor (Bradly Banks)
10. 11:58 AM - Re: Oil temp sensor (doug sapp)
11. 11:59 AM - Re: Oil temp sensor (George Coy)
12. 04:04 PM - Re: New Airworthiness Directive (Stephen Morrey)
13. 07:50 PM - Re: basic lube question (Walter Lannon)
14. 09:03 PM - Re: New Airworthiness Directive (Roger Baker)
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| Subject: | Re: New Airworthiness Directive |
Doc,
Remember that the new 8130.2G and its recent deviation waiver do NOT apply
to any aircraft that already has an AW cert and ops limits. You conduct you
r flying according to your previously approved ops limits. they are on file
with the FAA in DC. If you ask your FSDO to make a change to them, then yo
u are open to having a whole set of new ops limits issued under the new ord
er.
Richard Hess
C 404-964-4885
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Kemp M.D. <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:21 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive
Do we still have to request the removal of the proficiency verbiage from ou
r program letters if already not done beforehand? Since the majority of our
aircraft are in the group 2 category.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 4, 2012, at 7:24 AM, "Jill Gernetzke" <jill@m-14p.com> wrote:
Gang,
Check it out:
http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf
Jill
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| Subject: | Re: New Airworthiness Directive |
All aircraft operate under the Operating Limitations that are current
for the aircraft regardless of when they were issued. Therefore, if the
OL's presently in the aircraft have never been updated to remove the 300
nm proficiency area, that limitation remains in force for the aircraft
until the OL's are reissued. If you want to remove the 300 NM
proficiency area, a new set of OL's must be issued for the aircraft by
your FSDO. There is no "automatic" or "by default" removal of the
limitation.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (cell)
Skype: Yakguy1
www.yak-52.com
On 2/5/2012 1:28 PM, Richard Hess wrote:
> One less grouping. Many things are unchanged. Actually most things are
> good. The jet guys with ejection systems and hydraulic flight controls
> have potentially severe restrictions.
>
> Richard Hess
> C 404-964-4885
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: delfin <delfin_driver@yahoo.com>
> To: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:08 am
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive
>
>
> Does anyone know what was changed in this new addition??
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net
> <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 4, 2012 9:23 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive
>
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>>
>
> Thanks Jill.
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-285-6263
> 334-546-8182 (cell)
> Skype: Yakguy1
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>
> On 2/4/2012 7:24 AM, Jill Gernetzke wrote:
> >
> > Gang,
> >
> > Check it out:
> >
> > http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf
> >
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Les,
I have plenty of new main and emergency air bottles in stock for the Yak 52,
some Sukhoi bottles too.
Jill
M-14P, Inc.
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| Subject: | New Airworthiness Directive |
You underestimate the FAA guys who write the regs. They do have a sense of
humor.
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Baker
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive
I've enjoyed scanning through this document....especially at 4110.e. Group 5
aircraft specs. In the "typical aircraft" for this group, the examples
include the Fairey Rotodyne.
It struck me that this is a perfect example of a choice made by a bureaucrat
without much of an idea of what goes on in the real world. Reason: the
Fairey Rotodyne was a large prototype gyroplane capable of carrying 50+
passengers. It had two large turboprop engines mounted on stub wings but
proved to be incredibly noisy because it also had rotor tip mounted jet
engines; the project was canceled somewhere around 1960-61 and the sole
example was scrapped.
Pretty unlikely that a Fairey Rotodyne would show up to be certified in
Group 5, I think.
Roger___________________________________________________________
On Feb 4, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Jill Gernetzke wrote:
Gang,
Check it out:
http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf
Jill
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Air bottles |
---------- Original Message ----------
From: "Jill Gernetzke" <jill@m-14p.com>
Subject: Yak-List: RE: Air bottles
Les,
I have plenty of new main and emergency air bottles in stock for the Yak 52,
some Sukhoi bottles too.
Jill
M-14P, Inc.
Jill,
Are the Yak 52 air bottle s identicle and interchangeable with Yak 50 ?
Cliff Umscheid
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| Subject: | New Airworthiness Directive |
That is true with the exception of having the 300 mile limit removed.
The rules concerning having that removed specifically state that no
other operating limitations are to be changed. I've done this to both
of my Experimental Exhibition aircraft.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Hess
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:31
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive
Doc,
Remember that the new 8130.2G and its recent deviation waiver do NOT
apply to any aircraft that already has an AW cert and ops limits. You
conduct your flying according to your previously approved ops limits.
they are on file with the FAA in DC. If you ask your FSDO to make a
change to them, then you are open to having a whole set of new ops
limits issued under the new order.
Richard Hess
C 404-964-4885
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Kemp M.D. <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:21 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive
Do we still have to request the removal of the proficiency verbiage from
our program letters if already not done beforehand? Since the majority
of our aircraft are in the group 2 category.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 4, 2012, at 7:24 AM, "Jill Gernetzke" <jill@m-14p.com> wrote:
Gang,
Check it out:
<http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf>
http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf
Jill
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| Subject: | New Airworthiness Directive |
A new set of Operating Limitations do indeed have to be issued, but they
are not allowed to change any of them other than to remove the 300 NM
limitation. Just adding to what you already said Dennis. You are 100%
correct, as usual.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:56
Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive
<dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
All aircraft operate under the Operating Limitations that are current
for the aircraft regardless of when they were issued. Therefore, if the
OL's presently in the aircraft have never been updated to remove the 300
nm proficiency area, that limitation remains in force for the aircraft
until the OL's are reissued. If you want to remove the 300 NM
proficiency area, a new set of OL's must be issued for the aircraft by
your FSDO. There is no "automatic" or "by default" removal of the
limitation.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (cell)
Skype: Yakguy1
www.yak-52.com
On 2/5/2012 1:28 PM, Richard Hess wrote:
> One less grouping. Many things are unchanged. Actually most things are
> good. The jet guys with ejection systems and hydraulic flight controls
> have potentially severe restrictions.
>
> Richard Hess
> C 404-964-4885
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: delfin <delfin_driver@yahoo.com>
> To: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:08 am
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive
>
>
> Does anyone know what was changed in this new addition??
>
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net
> <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 4, 2012 9:23 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive
>
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>>
>
> Thanks Jill.
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-285-6263
> 334-546-8182 (cell)
> Skype: Yakguy1
> www.yak-52.com <http://www.yak-52.com/>
>
>
> On 2/4/2012 7:24 AM, Jill Gernetzke wrote:
> >
> > Gang,
> >
> > Check it out:
> >
> > http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf
> >
> > Jill
> >
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| Subject: | basic lube question |
Gentlemen,
Could you advise what grade of lube you are using for landing gear
etc. Anyone using synthetic? What commercially available tool are you
applying the lube with?
Thanks,
Phil
C-FEPN
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Hello all, recently the front oil temp gauge shot off the scale and
continues to do so , as you switch the instruments on, I swapped the sensors
over at the base of the oil feed pipe ,and the problem relocated to the
rear cockpit panel.
Is there any information on the resistance value of the sensor? Can we find
a replacement unit from commercially available thermo couples?
Many thanks
Bradly Banks
South africa
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| Subject: | Re: Oil temp sensor |
Bradly,
I have them in stock. They are the same as used in the Nanchang CJ6. Part
number GWR-1, $65.00 each.
Best,
Doug
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Bradly Banks <brad@runawaymedia.co.za>wrote:
> Hello all, recently the front oil temp gauge shot off the scale and
> continues to do so , as you switch the instruments on, I swapped the
> sensors over at the base of the oil feed pipe ,and the problem relocated
> to the rear cockpit panel.****
>
> Is there any information on the resistance value of the sensor? Can we
> find a replacement unit from commercially available thermo couples?****
>
> Many thanks ****
>
> ** **
>
> Bradly Banks****
>
> South africa****
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We have spares
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bradly Banks
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:33 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Oil temp sensor
Hello all, recently the front oil temp gauge shot off the scale and
continues to do so , as you switch the instruments on, I swapped the sensors
over at the base of the oil feed pipe ,and the problem relocated to the
rear cockpit panel.
Is there any information on the resistance value of the sensor? Can we find
a replacement unit from commercially available thermo couples?
Many thanks
Bradly Banks
South africa
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| Subject: | Re: New Airworthiness Directive |
Hey folks I sold my yak and don't need the yak list any more. Can someone
tell me how to cancel my Yak list. Tks Steve
On Feb 5, 2012 1:30 PM, "Roger Baker" <f4ffm2@roadrunner.com> wrote:
> I've enjoyed scanning through this document....especially at 4110.e. Group
> 5 aircraft specs. In the "typical aircraft" for this group, the examples
> include the Fairey Rotodyne.
>
> It struck me that this is a perfect example of a choice made by a
> bureaucrat without much of an idea of what goes on in the real world.
> Reason: the Fairey Rotodyne was a large prototype gyroplane capable of
> carrying 50+ passengers. It had two large turboprop engines mounted on
> stub wings but proved to be incredibly noisy because it also had rotor tip
> mounted jet engines; the project was canceled somewhere around 1960-61 and
> the *sole example* was scrapped.
>
> Pretty unlikely that a Fairey Rotodyne would show up to be certified in
> Group 5, I think.
>
> Roger___________________________________________________________
> On Feb 4, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Jill Gernetzke wrote:
>
> Gang,****
> ** **
> Check it out:****
> ** **
> http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf****
> ** **
> Jill****
> M-14P, Inc.****
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| Subject: | Re: basic lube question |
Phil;
If you are referring to grease I use and recommend Aeroshell 5.
Walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Nicholson
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:16 AM
Subject: Yak-List: basic lube question
Gentlemen,
Could you advise what grade of lube you are using for landing gear
etc. Anyone using synthetic? What commercially available tool are you
applying the lube with?
Thanks,
Phil
C-FEPN
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| Subject: | Re: New Airworthiness Directive |
That is a startling concept!
_______________________________________________
On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:18 AM, George Coy wrote:
> You underestimate the FAA guys who write the regs. They do have a
sense of humor=85
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Baker
> Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 3:25 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive
>
> I've enjoyed scanning through this document....especially at 4110.e.
Group 5 aircraft specs. In the "typical aircraft" for this group, the
examples include the Fairey Rotodyne.
>
> It struck me that this is a perfect example of a choice made by a
bureaucrat without much of an idea of what goes on in the real world.
Reason: the Fairey Rotodyne was a large prototype gyroplane capable of
carrying 50+ passengers. It had two large turboprop engines mounted on
stub wings but proved to be incredibly noisy because it also had rotor
tip mounted jet engines; the project was canceled somewhere around
1960-61 and the sole example was scrapped.
>
> Pretty unlikely that a Fairey Rotodyne would show up to be certified
in Group 5, I think.
>
> Roger___________________________________________________________
> On Feb 4, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Jill Gernetzke wrote:
>
>
> Gang,
>
> Check it out:
>
> http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf
>
> Jill
> M-14P, Inc.
>
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