---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/06/12: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:35 AM - Re: New Airworthiness Directive (Richard Hess) 2. 04:58 AM - Re: New Airworthiness Directive (A. Dennis Savarese) 3. 05:05 AM - Re: Air bottles (Jill Gernetzke) 4. 05:21 AM - Re: New Airworthiness Directive (George Coy) 5. 05:25 AM - Re: Re: Air bottles (netmaster15@juno.com) 6. 08:25 AM - Re: New Airworthiness Directive (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 7. 08:26 AM - Re: New Airworthiness Directive (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 8. 10:18 AM - basic lube question (Philip Nicholson) 9. 11:36 AM - Oil temp sensor (Bradly Banks) 10. 11:58 AM - Re: Oil temp sensor (doug sapp) 11. 11:59 AM - Re: Oil temp sensor (George Coy) 12. 04:04 PM - Re: New Airworthiness Directive (Stephen Morrey) 13. 07:50 PM - Re: basic lube question (Walter Lannon) 14. 09:03 PM - Re: New Airworthiness Directive (Roger Baker) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive From: Richard Hess Doc, Remember that the new 8130.2G and its recent deviation waiver do NOT apply to any aircraft that already has an AW cert and ops limits. You conduct you r flying according to your previously approved ops limits. they are on file with the FAA in DC. If you ask your FSDO to make a change to them, then yo u are open to having a whole set of new ops limits issued under the new ord er. Richard Hess C 404-964-4885 -----Original Message----- From: Roger Kemp M.D. Sent: Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:21 pm Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive Do we still have to request the removal of the proficiency verbiage from ou r program letters if already not done beforehand? Since the majority of our aircraft are in the group 2 category. Doc Sent from my iPad On Feb 4, 2012, at 7:24 AM, "Jill Gernetzke" wrote: Gang, Check it out: http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf Jill M-14P, Inc. ========= f="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?Yak-List ======== ms.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ======== ttp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ======== -= - The Yak-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:07 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive All aircraft operate under the Operating Limitations that are current for the aircraft regardless of when they were issued. Therefore, if the OL's presently in the aircraft have never been updated to remove the 300 nm proficiency area, that limitation remains in force for the aircraft until the OL's are reissued. If you want to remove the 300 NM proficiency area, a new set of OL's must be issued for the aircraft by your FSDO. There is no "automatic" or "by default" removal of the limitation. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-6263 334-546-8182 (cell) Skype: Yakguy1 www.yak-52.com On 2/5/2012 1:28 PM, Richard Hess wrote: > One less grouping. Many things are unchanged. Actually most things are > good. The jet guys with ejection systems and hydraulic flight controls > have potentially severe restrictions. > > Richard Hess > C 404-964-4885 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: delfin > To: yak-list > Sent: Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:08 am > Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive > > > Does anyone know what was changed in this new addition?? > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* A. Dennis Savarese > > *To:* yak-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Saturday, February 4, 2012 9:23 AM > *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive > > > > > Thanks Jill. > Dennis > > A. Dennis Savarese > 334-285-6263 > 334-546-8182 (cell) > Skype: Yakguy1 > www.yak-52.com > > > On 2/4/2012 7:24 AM, Jill Gernetzke wrote: > > > > Gang, > > > > Check it out: > > > > http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf > > > > Jill > > > > M-14P, I Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, gt; > > > > > > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List** > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:53 AM PST US From: "Jill Gernetzke" Subject: Yak-List: RE: Air bottles Les, I have plenty of new main and emergency air bottles in stock for the Yak 52, some Sukhoi bottles too. Jill M-14P, Inc. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:22 AM PST US From: "George Coy" Subject: RE: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive You underestimate the FAA guys who write the regs. They do have a sense of humor. From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Baker Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 3:25 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive I've enjoyed scanning through this document....especially at 4110.e. Group 5 aircraft specs. In the "typical aircraft" for this group, the examples include the Fairey Rotodyne. It struck me that this is a perfect example of a choice made by a bureaucrat without much of an idea of what goes on in the real world. Reason: the Fairey Rotodyne was a large prototype gyroplane capable of carrying 50+ passengers. It had two large turboprop engines mounted on stub wings but proved to be incredibly noisy because it also had rotor tip mounted jet engines; the project was canceled somewhere around 1960-61 and the sole example was scrapped. Pretty unlikely that a Fairey Rotodyne would show up to be certified in Group 5, I think. Roger___________________________________________________________ On Feb 4, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Jill Gernetzke wrote: Gang, Check it out: http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf Jill M-14P, Inc. style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:53 AM PST US From: "netmaster15@juno.com" Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: Air bottles ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Jill Gernetzke" Subject: Yak-List: RE: Air bottles Les, I have plenty of new main and emergency air bottles in stock for the Yak 52, some Sukhoi bottles too. Jill M-14P, Inc. Jill, Are the Yak 52 air bottle s identicle and interchangeable with Yak 50 ? Cliff Umscheid ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:56 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" That is true with the exception of having the 300 mile limit removed. The rules concerning having that removed specifically state that no other operating limitations are to be changed. I've done this to both of my Experimental Exhibition aircraft. Mark Bitterlich -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Hess Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:31 Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive Doc, Remember that the new 8130.2G and its recent deviation waiver do NOT apply to any aircraft that already has an AW cert and ops limits. You conduct your flying according to your previously approved ops limits. they are on file with the FAA in DC. If you ask your FSDO to make a change to them, then you are open to having a whole set of new ops limits issued under the new order. Richard Hess C 404-964-4885 -----Original Message----- From: Roger Kemp M.D. Sent: Sun, Feb 5, 2012 10:21 pm Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive Do we still have to request the removal of the proficiency verbiage from our program letters if already not done beforehand? Since the majority of our aircraft are in the group 2 category. Doc Sent from my iPad On Feb 4, 2012, at 7:24 AM, "Jill Gernetzke" wrote: Gang, Check it out: http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf Jill M-14P, Inc. ========= ef="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?Yak-List ========= ums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ========= http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribu tion ========= et=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:07 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" A new set of Operating Limitations do indeed have to be issued, but they are not allowed to change any of them other than to remove the 300 NM limitation. Just adding to what you already said Dennis. You are 100% correct, as usual. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:56 Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive All aircraft operate under the Operating Limitations that are current for the aircraft regardless of when they were issued. Therefore, if the OL's presently in the aircraft have never been updated to remove the 300 nm proficiency area, that limitation remains in force for the aircraft until the OL's are reissued. If you want to remove the 300 NM proficiency area, a new set of OL's must be issued for the aircraft by your FSDO. There is no "automatic" or "by default" removal of the limitation. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-6263 334-546-8182 (cell) Skype: Yakguy1 www.yak-52.com On 2/5/2012 1:28 PM, Richard Hess wrote: > One less grouping. Many things are unchanged. Actually most things are > good. The jet guys with ejection systems and hydraulic flight controls > have potentially severe restrictions. > > Richard Hess > C 404-964-4885 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: delfin > To: yak-list > Sent: Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:08 am > Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive > > > Does anyone know what was changed in this new addition?? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* A. Dennis Savarese > > *To:* yak-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Saturday, February 4, 2012 9:23 AM > *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive > > > > > Thanks Jill. > Dennis > > A. Dennis Savarese > 334-285-6263 > 334-546-8182 (cell) > Skype: Yakguy1 > www.yak-52.com > > > On 2/4/2012 7:24 AM, Jill Gernetzke wrote: > > > > Gang, > > > > Check it out: > > > > http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf > > > > Jill > > > > M-14P, I Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, gt; > > > > > > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List** > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > * > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:54 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: basic lube question From: Philip Nicholson Gentlemen, Could you advise what grade of lube you are using for landing gear etc. Anyone using synthetic? What commercially available tool are you applying the lube with? Thanks, Phil C-FEPN ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:35 AM PST US From: "Bradly Banks" Subject: Yak-List: Oil temp sensor Hello all, recently the front oil temp gauge shot off the scale and continues to do so , as you switch the instruments on, I swapped the sensors over at the base of the oil feed pipe ,and the problem relocated to the rear cockpit panel. Is there any information on the resistance value of the sensor? Can we find a replacement unit from commercially available thermo couples? Many thanks Bradly Banks South africa ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Oil temp sensor From: doug sapp Bradly, I have them in stock. They are the same as used in the Nanchang CJ6. Part number GWR-1, $65.00 each. Best, Doug On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:32 AM, Bradly Banks wrote: > Hello all, recently the front oil temp gauge shot off the scale and > continues to do so , as you switch the instruments on, I swapped the > sensors over at the base of the oil feed pipe ,and the problem relocated > to the rear cockpit panel.**** > > Is there any information on the resistance value of the sensor? Can we > find a replacement unit from commercially available thermo couples?**** > > Many thanks **** > > ** ** > > Bradly Banks**** > > South africa**** > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:00 AM PST US From: "George Coy" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Oil temp sensor We have spares From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bradly Banks Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:33 PM Subject: Yak-List: Oil temp sensor Hello all, recently the front oil temp gauge shot off the scale and continues to do so , as you switch the instruments on, I swapped the sensors over at the base of the oil feed pipe ,and the problem relocated to the rear cockpit panel. Is there any information on the resistance value of the sensor? Can we find a replacement unit from commercially available thermo couples? Many thanks Bradly Banks South africa ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive From: Stephen Morrey Hey folks I sold my yak and don't need the yak list any more. Can someone tell me how to cancel my Yak list. Tks Steve On Feb 5, 2012 1:30 PM, "Roger Baker" wrote: > I've enjoyed scanning through this document....especially at 4110.e. Group > 5 aircraft specs. In the "typical aircraft" for this group, the examples > include the Fairey Rotodyne. > > It struck me that this is a perfect example of a choice made by a > bureaucrat without much of an idea of what goes on in the real world. > Reason: the Fairey Rotodyne was a large prototype gyroplane capable of > carrying 50+ passengers. It had two large turboprop engines mounted on > stub wings but proved to be incredibly noisy because it also had rotor tip > mounted jet engines; the project was canceled somewhere around 1960-61 and > the *sole example* was scrapped. > > Pretty unlikely that a Fairey Rotodyne would show up to be certified in > Group 5, I think. > > Roger___________________________________________________________ > On Feb 4, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Jill Gernetzke wrote: > > Gang,**** > ** ** > Check it out:**** > ** ** > http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf**** > ** ** > Jill**** > M-14P, Inc.**** > > * > > style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com > style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:07 PM PST US From: "Walter Lannon" Subject: Re: Yak-List: basic lube question Phil; If you are referring to grease I use and recommend Aeroshell 5. Walt -----Original Message----- From: Philip Nicholson Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:16 AM Subject: Yak-List: basic lube question Gentlemen, Could you advise what grade of lube you are using for landing gear etc. Anyone using synthetic? What commercially available tool are you applying the lube with? Thanks, Phil C-FEPN ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:08 PM PST US From: Roger Baker Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive That is a startling concept! _______________________________________________ On Feb 6, 2012, at 5:18 AM, George Coy wrote: > You underestimate the FAA guys who write the regs. They do have a sense of humor=85 > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Baker > Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 3:25 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: New Airworthiness Directive > > I've enjoyed scanning through this document....especially at 4110.e. Group 5 aircraft specs. In the "typical aircraft" for this group, the examples include the Fairey Rotodyne. > > It struck me that this is a perfect example of a choice made by a bureaucrat without much of an idea of what goes on in the real world. Reason: the Fairey Rotodyne was a large prototype gyroplane capable of carrying 50+ passengers. It had two large turboprop engines mounted on stub wings but proved to be incredibly noisy because it also had rotor tip mounted jet engines; the project was canceled somewhere around 1960-61 and the sole example was scrapped. > > Pretty unlikely that a Fairey Rotodyne would show up to be certified in Group 5, I think. > > Roger___________________________________________________________ > On Feb 4, 2012, at 5:24 AM, Jill Gernetzke wrote: > > > Gang, > > Check it out: > > http://www.warbirds-eaa.org/forms/Deviation%20Memo%20PDF.pdf > > Jill > M-14P, Inc. > > > style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com > style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > Roger E. 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