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1. 04:43 AM - Re: what are peoples thoughts on an Interavia I-3M (Etienne Verhellen)
2. 09:55 AM - Re: what are peoples thoughts on an Interavia I-3M (barryhancock)
3. 09:55 AM - Re: what are peoples thoughts on an Interavia I-3M (barryhancock)
4. 09:59 AM - Re: what are peoples thoughts on an Interavia I-3M (Etienne Verhellen)
5. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: what are peoples thoughts on an Interavia I-3M (RICHARD VOLKER)
6. 08:28 PM - Re: Re: Yak-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 02/20/12 (yakl1@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: what are peoples thoughts on an Interavia I-3M |
Interavia I-3
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For information, you don't want to fly this aircraft with the aileron spades removed.
Please read accident report attached.
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http://www.flyforfun.be/?q=yaks
http://www.planecheck.com/eu/index.asp?ent=dv&id=6711
http://www.airshowactionphotography.com/san07/page1.html
http://www.irishairpics.com/photo/1029467/L/Yakovlev-Yak-52/G-CBSS/Etienne-Verhellen/
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| Subject: | Re: what are peoples thoughts on an Interavia I-3M |
I owned an I-3 for a summer. Took it in on partial trade for a CJ that I restored
back before I got into this business. I liked the plane, for what it was
designed for - hard core acro. It is a very capable aerobatic plane as previously
pointed out. It is typical Russian, i.e. very utilitarian, and lacks the
fit and finish of western counterparts. The plane is what I would define as
"medium difficulty" to land as a tail dragger. Not a PT-22, but not a Decathalon,
either.
400HP motor is nice, but also more maintenance intensive and lower TBO.
This is a good local aerobatic plane with plenty of opportunity to grow into the
advanced category with, but it is a bit on the ugly side, support is virtually
nonexistent for the the airframe, and cross country's are a painful venture
as maintaining straight and level flight effortlessly was one of the designer's
last concerns. If you want to pull hard and do that macho outside stuff, this
plane is a cheap way to get that. If you are looking for something to do
formation, acro, and a bit of cross country in, the Yak and CJ are both far better
options, in my opinion.
Happy Flying,
Barry
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Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
(877) 869-6458
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
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I owned an I-3 for a summer. Took it in on partial trade for a CJ that I restored
back before I got into this business. I liked the plane, for what it was
designed for - hard core acro. It is a very capable aerobatic plane as previously
pointed out. It is typical Russian, i.e. very utilitarian, and lacks the
fit and finish of western counterparts. The plane is what I would define as
"medium difficulty" to land as a tail dragger. Not a PT-22, but not a Decathalon,
either.
400HP motor is nice, but also more maintenance intensive and lower TBO.
This is a good local aerobatic plane with plenty of opportunity to grow into the
advanced category with, but it is a bit on the ugly side, support is virtually
nonexistent for the the airframe, and cross country's are a painful venture
as maintaining straight and level flight effortlessly was one of the designer's
last concerns. If you want to pull hard and do that macho outside stuff, this
plane is a cheap way to get that. If you are looking for something to do
formation, acro, and a bit of cross country in, the Yak and CJ are both far better
options, in my opinion.
Happy Flying,
Barry
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Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
(877) 869-6458
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
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I concur ...
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| Subject: | Re: what are peoples thoughts on an Interavia I-3M |
It's wonderfully nice to have the symmetrical wing. If you delight in sustained
inverted flight and effortless rolls, enjoy the challenge of outside maneuvers
and a steady diet of gyroscopic figures, you will enjoy the I-3 enough to forget
the negatives.
If your aerobatic desires are limited to "warbird aerobatics", you would appreciate
the traits of the CJ or Yak 52 more.
Rick Volker
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Skip:
So sorry to hear about the loss of your dad. I won't be able to attend his
service, but I will be there in spirit. I am certain that he is already b
eing welcomed "home" by those of the Greatest Generation who have gone befo
re, my own father included. Please accept my most sincere condolances on y
our loss.
John Zecherle
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From: Frederick Slyfield <norske.fly@gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 22, 2012 12:09 pm
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 02/20/12
Skip: So sorry to hear about the loss of your dad. I won't be able to att
end his service, but I will be there in spirit. I am certain that he is al
ready being welcomed "home" by those of the Greatest Generation who have go
ne before, my own father included. Please accept my most sincere condolanc
es on your loss.John Zecherle
Red Star Pilots Association
Skip Slyfield
To the YakListas:
Many of you knew my Dad, Commander Blackjack Slyfield, USN who passed away
the 12th of Jan. My sister and I arre putting together a celebration and Na
vy-style send-off for him on the 26th of May in McGregor, Iowa. (See attach
ed link). I'm trying to put together a missing man flyover for The Commande
r for the 26th, Saturday. His hometown is beautiful, on the bluffs on the M
ississippi River. The Natives are friendly, the beer is cold and the cheese
curds are...plentiful. I want to extend an invitation to all in the Red St
ar Community, especially the ones in the Midwest, to come and fly. I can't
promise much more than a tank of gas, discounted fuel prices (maybe) and ex
cellent hospitality. Plus some beautiful areas to do low-levels, far away f
rom the prying eyes of Radar. Join me to celebrate the passing of one of Th
e Greatest Generation, a combat Vet of WWII, Korea and VietNam.
Skip Ranger Slyfield
435-901-0549
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1. 01:16 PM - Yak elevator (Chris Wise)
2. 01:28 PM - Re: Yak elevator (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 02:06 PM - Re: Yak elevator (Chris Wise)
4. 02:07 PM - Re: Yak elevator (Walter Lannon)
5. 03:14 PM - Re: Yak elevator (Vic)
6. 03:34 PM - Re: Re: Yak elevator (Chris Wise)
7. 05:53 PM - Re: Yak elevator (A. Dennis Savarese)
8. 06:58 PM - Re: Yak elevator (Chris Wise)
9. 07:06 PM - Re: Yak elevator (Walter Lannon)
________________________________ Message 1 ______________________________
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Time: 01:16:46 PM PST US
From: "Chris Wise" <wise@txc.net.au>
Subject: Yak-List: Yak elevator
G'Day All,
Can someone please advise of the problem with the Yak elevator and what the
fix is.
I would greatly appreciate some photo's of the problem and the fix if anyon
e
has any.
Thanks and cheers,
Chris Wise.
(Downunder)
________________________________ Message 2 ______________________________
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Time: 01:28:40 PM PST US
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak elevator
Chris,
I assure you are referring to some crashes. There are very close
clearances of control horns to air frame in the tail of the Yaks. Any kin
d of
foreign object that happen to get into that area, will almost certainly ja
m it.
Therefore it behooves one to check regularly for ANYTHING that might
migrate back there. This would include anything that might fall out of on
e's
pockets, particularly during acro. Although this is true of ANY airplane,
the Yak is very susceptible. Are "fix's".
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 2/20/2012 4:16:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
wise@txc.net.au writes:
G=99Day All,
Can someone please advise of the problem with the Yak elevator and what
the fix is.
I would greatly appreciate some photo=99s of the problem and the fix
if
anyone has any.
Thanks and cheers,
Chris Wise.
(Downunder)
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
________________________________ Message 3 ______________________________
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Time: 02:06:59 PM PST US
From: "Chris Wise" <wise@txc.net.au>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak elevator
G=99Day Pappy,
Thanks for that.
I am fully aware of foreign objects and I believe that that was the
reason for the crash in New Zealand.
Was it a screwdriver that jammed the elevator?
What I am trying to determine, is as I understand, a problem in the tail
sector, is it the elevator bellcrank?
I was told on Sunday that the Yaks tailplanes are now subject to a 25
hour inspection schedule due to some failure.
So what is the problem?
What is the fix?
Does anyone have any photographs relating to this?
Thanks and cheers,
Chris.
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak elevator
Chris,
I assure you are referring to some crashes. There are very close
clearances of control horns to air frame in the tail of the Yaks. Any
kind of foreign object that happen to get into that area, will almost
certainly jam it. Therefore it behooves one to check regularly for
ANYTHING that might migrate back there. This would include anything
that might fall out of one's pockets, particularly during acro.
Although this is true of ANY airplane, the Yak is very susceptible. Are
"fix's".
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 2/20/2012 4:16:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
wise@txc.net.au writes:
G=99Day All,
Can someone please advise of the problem with the Yak elevator and what
the fix is.
I would greatly appreciate some photo=99s of the problem and the
fix if anyone has any.
Thanks and cheers,
Chris Wise.
(Downunder)
="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?Yak-List
s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________ Message 4 ______________________________
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Time: 02:07:54 PM PST US
From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak elevator
I addition to the =9Cforeign object=9D item there is a
problem with fatigue cracking of the elevator bellcrank (Yak 52) and
loss of elevator control. I do not know all the details but believe
there is an airworthiness directive on the subject. Suggest you contact
Richard Goode in the UK.
Walt
From: cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak elevator
Chris,
I assure you are referring to some crashes. There are very close
clearances of control horns to air frame in the tail of the Yaks. Any
kind of foreign object that happen to get into that area, will almost
certainly jam it. Therefore it behooves one to check regularly for
ANYTHING that might migrate back there. This would include anything
that might fall out of one's pockets, particularly during acro.
Although this is true of ANY airplane, the Yak is very susceptible. Are
"fix's".
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 2/20/2012 4:16:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
wise@txc.net.au writes:
G=99Day All,
Can someone please advise of the problem with the Yak elevator and
what the fix is.
I would greatly appreciate some photo=99s of the problem and the
fix if anyone has any.
Thanks and cheers,
Chris Wise.
(Downunder)
="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?Yak-List
s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________ Message 5 ______________________________
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Time: 03:14:20 PM PST US
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak elevator
From: "Vic" <vicmolnar@aol.com>
Hi Chris,
this problem is specific for the 52 and and you are running an 18 T ? If I
remember
correctly Andrey Gluchov has told me that the replacement items are copied
in steel to avoid cracks in the elevator aluminium bell cranks. There must
have
been a series which was not manufactured according to original design.
Cheers
Vic
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366756#366756
________________________________ Message 6 ______________________________
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Time: 03:34:57 PM PST US
From: "Chris Wise" <wise@txc.net.au>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Yak elevator
G'day Vic,
Yes, I am running a 18T.
I have 2 friends with 52's and they raised the subject with me.
Plus my LAME has a number of 52's as well as 18's that he looks after and i
s
also interested in any information on the subject.
I have been nominated as the gopher to source the info. Bugger is'nt it.
Thanks and cheers,
Chris.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic
Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012 9:43 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak elevator
Hi Chris,
this problem is specific for the 52 and and you are running an 18 T ? If I
remember correctly Andrey Gluchov has told me that the replacement items ar
e
copied in steel to avoid cracks in the elevator aluminium bell cranks. Ther
e
must have been a series which was not manufactured according to original
design.
Cheers
Vic
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366756#366756
________________________________ Message 7 ______________________________
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Time: 05:53:14 PM PST US
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak elevator
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________________________________ Message 8 ______________________________
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Time: 06:58:09 PM PST US
From: "Chris Wise" <wise@txc.net.au>
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Yak elevator
Thanks Dennis.
It is becoming very clear.
Cheers,
Chris.
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis
Savarese
Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012 12:22 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak elevator
>From what I understand Chris, there WAS a Yak 52 where the elevator
bellcrank cracked at the point where the elevator counterweight is
mounted. I personally have not seen a cracked elevator bellcrank. But
that certainly doesn't mean there aren't any out there. The fix is
replacing the old with a new elevator bellcrank.
The attached information should answer all your questions.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (cell)
Skype: Yakguy1
www.yak-52.com
On 2/20/2012 4:05 PM, Chris Wise wrote:
G=99Day Pappy,
Thanks for that.
I am fully aware of foreign objects and I believe that that was the
reason for the crash in New Zealand.
Was it a screwdriver that jammed the elevator?
What I am trying to determine, is as I understand, a problem in the tail
sector, is it the elevator bellcrank?
I was told on Sunday that the Yaks tailplanes are now subject to a 25
hour inspection schedule due to some failure.
So what is the problem?
What is the fix?
Does anyone have any photographs relating to this?
Thanks and cheers,
Chris.
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012 7:58 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak elevator
Chris,
I assure you are referring to some crashes. There are very close
clearances of control horns to air frame in the tail of the Yaks. Any
kind of foreign object that happen to get into that area, will almost
certainly jam it. Therefore it behooves one to check regularly for
ANYTHING that might migrate back there. This would include anything
that might fall out of one's pockets, particularly during acro.
Although this is true of ANY airplane, the Yak is very susceptible. Are
"fix's".
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 2/20/2012 4:16:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
wise@txc.net.au writes:
G=99Day All,
Can someone please advise of the problem with the Yak elevator and what
the fix is.
I would greatly appreciate some photo=99s of the problem and the
fix if anyone has any.
Thanks and cheers,
Chris Wise.
(Downunder)
="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com
/Navigator?Yak-List
s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
http://forums.matronics.com
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
________________________________ Message 9 ______________________________
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Time: 07:06:29 PM PST US
From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak elevator
Hi Dennis;
A cracked one was found here a few months back just after the problem
was first posted on the list. It was found during an inspection
generated by that information. The list works!
Walt
From: A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak elevator
>From what I understand Chris, there WAS a Yak 52 where the elevator
bellcrank cracked at the point where the elevator counterweight is
mounted. I personally have not seen a cracked elevator bellcrank. But
that certainly doesn't mean there aren't any out there. The fix is
replacing the old with a new elevator bellcrank.
The attached information should answer all your questions.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (cell)
Skype: Yakguy1
www.yak-52.com
On 2/20/2012 4:05 PM, Chris Wise wrote:
G=99Day Pappy,
Thanks for that.
I am fully aware of foreign objects and I believe that that was the
reason for the crash in New Zealand.
Was it a screwdriver that jammed the elevator?
What I am trying to determine, is as I understand, a problem in the
tail sector, is it the elevator bellcrank?
I was told on Sunday that the Yaks tailplanes are now subject to a 25
hour inspection schedule due to some failure.
So what is the problem?
What is the fix?
Does anyone have any photographs relating to this?
Thanks and cheers,
Chris.
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
cjpilot710@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, 21 February 2012 7:58 AM
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak elevator
Chris,
I assure you are referring to some crashes. There are very close
clearances of control horns to air frame in the tail of the Yaks. Any
kind of foreign object that happen to get into that area, will almost
certainly jam it. Therefore it behooves one to check regularly for
ANYTHING that might migrate back there. This would include anything
that might fall out of one's pockets, particularly during acro.
Although this is true of ANY airplane, the Yak is very susceptible. Are
"fix's".
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 2/20/2012 4:16:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
wise@txc.net.au writes:
G=99Day All,
Can someone please advise of the problem with the Yak elevator and
what the fix is.
I would greatly appreciate some photo=99s of the problem and
the fix if anyone has any.
Thanks and cheers,
Chris Wise.
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