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1. 06:00 AM - Re: Sad day at Breckenridge TX (Bill Geipel)
2. 06:44 AM - Re: Sad day at Breckenridge TX (John Fischer)
3. 09:20 AM - Re: Sad day at Breckenridge TX (Brian Lloyd)
4. 09:25 AM - Re: Sad day at Breckenridge TX (Brian Lloyd)
5. 12:11 PM - Re: Sad day at Breckenridge TX (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
6. 12:44 PM - Re: Sad day at Breckenridge TX (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
7. 01:08 PM - Re: Sad day at Breckenridge TX (Richard Hess)
8. 01:18 PM - M-14P available (Cpayne)
9. 09:45 PM - Tragic loss in Tx (Roger Kemp M.D.)
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| Subject: | Re: Sad day at Breckenridge TX |
Really Brian ? U r actually trying to defend yourself?
Let's all just let this one go. Brian knows this is a no win argument, none w
ill agree with him.
Bill
On Apr 5, 2012, at 8:09 PM, Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, M
ALS-14 64E <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
> He sure has my admiration. I am sorry that you are angered by the
> thought that he not only killed himself, but destroyed an irreplaceable
> aircraft Brian, but I have this nagging feeling that he really didn't
> much care what your opinion was in the matter, and I have to admit,
> neither do I.
>
> Whether you or he care for my opinion doesn't change the facts. The airpla
ne and the laws of physics don't care about anyone's opinion. But three thin
gs are for sure: he's dead, the airplane is destroyed, and it didn't have to
happen.
>
> There are so many things we HAVE to risk when we fly: weather, mechanical f
ailure, momentary lapses of skill, and plain old bad luck. We don't need to i
ntentionally make it worse. We stay alive and give aviation a good name by e
xercising GOOD judgement.
>
> Some people really live life to the fullest, and that
> oftentimes means doing things that others consider careless, reckless,
> or dangerous. One of the greatest freedoms we can have in this country
> is to make those decisions ourselves, although it is well known that
> there will ALWAYS be those with 20/20 hindsight.
>
> Oh, bullshit Mark. There is no 20/20 hindsight in this. We all know that d
oing a roll on takeoff is both stupid and unnecessary. There is little quest
ion in my mind that I could pull it off too ... until I don't. But it is an u
nnecessary risk that gains no one anything ... well, actually, we see what i
t gains.
>
> The bottom line Mark is that there was no need. He was one hell of a Good O
l' Boy but he did something stupid, killed himself, and destroyed an irrepla
ceable aircraft. All he had to do was choose to exercise good judgement and w
e would still be enjoying his company and enjoying that aircraft. But he cho
se to exercise poor judgement. Period. That's is an irrefutable fact.
>
> Spin it however you want. Get pissed off at me for telling it like it is. B
ut let me repeat what I said above because what I am saying is 100% true:
> He is dead.
> The airplane is destroyed.
> It didn't have to happen.
> --
> Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
> 3191 Western Dr.
> Cameron Park, CA 95682
> brian@lloyd.com
> +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
> +1.916.877.5067 (USA)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Sad day at Breckenridge TX |
Group,
First off, I would like to offer my condolences to Mr. Pardue's family
and friends.
I have seen him many times, at the Reno Air Races I have attended over
the last 15+ years.
While we do not know what actually happened to Mr. Pardue (mechanical,
medical, mistake, ect...), and will probably never know, there are still
lessons to be learned. One lesson, is are low level aerobatics
unnecessary (if practicing for an airshow/or performing at one, with
precautions, yes: if not, no!).
If we are going to be able to continue enjoying our aircraft (Yaks,
Warbirds, ect....), we must learn from the mistakes of others and not
make the same mistakes.
Once upon a time there was someone on this form that did low level
aerobatics in their Yak-52.
His attitude was, it is my aircraft, and I will do as I please!
How would you feel if he crashed and made the local public mad, causing
your local airport to close? (it has happened)
The FAA limited your rights to fly (that was how we got the 300/600 mile
limits imposed).
This list goes on, and on, and on......
As a flight engineer on C-130's, there are several times, I had to stop
the pilots from performing unauthorized (and non briefed), maneuvers!
While there are risk involved in aviation, hopefully we are all taking
action to mitigate them on every flight we take.
Fly safe
John Fischer
Yak-52
L-5A
PT-19A
On 4/6/2012 5:58 AM, Bill Geipel wrote:
> Really Brian ? U r actually trying to defend yourself?
> Let's all just let this one go. Brian knows this is a no win argument,
> none will agree with him.
>
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Apr 5, 2012, at 8:09 PM, Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com
> <mailto:brian@lloyd.com>> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
>> Point, MALS-14 64E <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil
>> <mailto:mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>> wrote:
>>
>> He sure has my admiration. I am sorry that you are angered by the
>> thought that he not only killed himself, but destroyed an
>> irreplaceable
>> aircraft Brian, but I have this nagging feeling that he really didn't
>> much care what your opinion was in the matter, and I have to admit,
>> neither do I.
>>
>>
>> Whether you or he care for my opinion doesn't change the facts. The
>> airplane and the laws of physics don't care about anyone's opinion.
>> But three things are for sure: he's dead, the airplane is destroyed,
>> and it didn't have to happen.
>>
>> There are so many things we HAVE to risk when we fly: weather,
>> mechanical failure, momentary lapses of skill, and plain old bad
>> luck. We don't need to intentionally make it worse. We stay alive and
>> give aviation a good name by exercising GOOD judgement.
>>
>> Some people really live life to the fullest, and that
>> oftentimes means doing things that others consider careless,
>> reckless,
>> or dangerous. One of the greatest freedoms we can have in this
>> country
>> is to make those decisions ourselves, although it is well known that
>> there will ALWAYS be those with 20/20 hindsight.
>>
>>
>> Oh, bullshit Mark. There is no 20/20 hindsight in this. We all know
>> that doing a roll on takeoff is both stupid and unnecessary. There is
>> little question in my mind that I could pull it off too ... until I
>> don't. But it is an unnecessary risk that gains no one anything ...
>> well, actually, we see what it gains.
>>
>> The bottom line Mark is that there was no need. He was one hell of a
>> Good Ol' Boy but he did something stupid, killed himself, and
>> destroyed an irreplaceable aircraft. All he had to do was choose to
>> exercise good judgement and we would still be enjoying his company
>> and enjoying that aircraft. But he chose to exercise poor judgement.
>> Period. That's is an irrefutable fact.
>>
>> Spin it however you want. Get pissed off at me for telling it like it
>> is. But let me repeat what I said above because what I am saying is
>> 100% true:
>>
>> * He is dead.
>> * The airplane is destroyed.
>> * It didn't have to happen.
>>
>> --
>> Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
>> 3191 Western Dr.
>> Cameron Park, CA 95682
>> brian@lloyd.com <mailto:brian@lloyd.com>
>> +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
>> +1.916.877.5067 (USA)
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> *
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Sad day at Breckenridge TX |
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 5:58 AM, Bill Geipel <czech6@mesanetworks.net> wrote:
> Really Brian ? U r actually trying to defend yourself?
> Let's all just let this one go. Brian knows this is a no win argument,
> none will agree with him.
>
I was going to let this go but I am going to post one more time in the
hopes that I reach some of the "less-experienced" readers on this list who
are still wondering what this is all about.
I am sure he was a good pilot. I am sure he was someone to be admired in
the warbird community. And I am sure that *I* am sorry that his family is
going to have to cope with his loss and that the warbird community has
suffered yet another terrible accident and set-back. And lastly, none of us
can change any of that. All we can do that is positive is to learn from it
and try to assure the rest of the world that it won't happen again.
One of the most difficult things to do in this world is to look at
information from an undesired source and sift through it for something
useful to learn from. Our own air and naval forces finally learned that one
and systematically sought to learn from our enemies. I think that it is
safe to say that, right now, the overwhelming view on this list is that I
am a callous asshole who values an airplane more than the life of a great
man and a great flyer, i.e. "The Enemy." No problem.
But now, as professional pilots, many of you with military training, I want
you to stop, turn off the emotion, get analytical, and place yourself in
the cockpit of that F8F, about 230 degrees into that roll, right when you
realize that the nose is already going through the horizon. If you are like
me, your very first thought is, "Oh shit." If there was time I suspect
that his next two thoughts were, "my family," and finally, "oh hell, I'm
gonna wreck this airplane." What I don't think was going through his mind
was, "Yee haw, I'm going out doing what I love to do." I suspect that, at
that moment, if he could have reset to the beginning of the roll he would
have continued straight out to a safer altitude before beginning his
aerobatics. But, unlike the sim, there is no reset button in the F8F.
Getting back to the analytical process here are some key questions. Was the
roll on take-off planned? Was it briefed? Had it been repeatedly practiced
at altitude to ensure consistency prior to doing it at low-level? Or was it
just an ad-hoc spur-of-the-moment cool thing to do? If you are going to do
something ad-hoc remember, attitude, airspeed, and altitude are all your
friends. Looks like he ran out of at least two and maybe all three of those.
How many times have we heard, "Plan the flight and then fly the plan?" Sure
we all know that things come up that will require a change of plan but even
then, it is possible to build contingencies into our planning.
So, I don't know about the rest of you but I sure am tired of burying
people who, frankly, didn't need to be buried yet. When it comes from doing
something stupid and unthinking I desperately want to be able to yell at
them but we all know nothing can come of that. They're dead. All that
remains is to yell at everyone else and say, "See! That is what happens
when you aren't thinking and planning!" Hopefully it will keep at least one
other person from making a bad decision at least one time.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Re: Sad day at Breckenridge TX |
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 6:41 AM, John Fischer <fish@aviation-tech.com> wrote:
> **
> While we do not know what actually happened to Mr. Pardue (mechanical,
> medical, mistake, ect...), and will probably never know, there are still
> lessons to be learned. One lesson, is are low level aerobatics unnecessary
> (if practicing for an airshow/or performing at one, with precautions, yes:
> if not, no!).
>
> If we are going to be able to continue enjoying our aircraft (Yaks,
> Warbirds, ect....), we must learn from the mistakes of others and not make
> the same mistakes.
>
Thank you Mr. Fischer. I sincerely hope the people on this list who have
closed their minds to me are listening to you.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Sad day at Breckenridge TX |
Thanks John,
I am sure the family and friends of Mr. Pardue will be absolutely delighted at
the lessons you have espoused at the cost of his death ... which you know absolutely
nothing about.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fischer
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 6:42
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sad day at Breckenridge TX
Group,
First off, I would like to offer my condolences to Mr. Pardue's family and friends.
I have seen him many times, at the Reno Air Races I have attended over the last
15+ years.
While we do not know what actually happened to Mr. Pardue (mechanical, medical,
mistake, ect...), and will probably never know, there are still lessons to be
learned. One lesson, is are low level aerobatics unnecessary (if practicing for
an airshow/or performing at one, with precautions, yes: if not, no!).
If we are going to be able to continue enjoying our aircraft (Yaks, Warbirds, ect....),
we must learn from the mistakes of others and not make the same mistakes.
Once upon a time there was someone on this form that did low level aerobatics in
their Yak-52.
His attitude was, it is my aircraft, and I will do as I please!
How would you feel if he crashed and made the local public mad, causing your local
airport to close? (it has happened)
The FAA limited your rights to fly (that was how we got the 300/600 mile limits
imposed).
This list goes on, and on, and on......
As a flight engineer on C-130's, there are several times, I had to stop the pilots
from performing unauthorized (and non briefed), maneuvers!
While there are risk involved in aviation, hopefully we are all taking action to
mitigate them on every flight we take.
Fly safe
John Fischer
Yak-52
L-5A
PT-19A
On 4/6/2012 5:58 AM, Bill Geipel wrote:
Really Brian ? U r actually trying to defend yourself?
Let's all just let this one go. Brian knows this is a no win argument, none will
agree with him.
Bill
On Apr 5, 2012, at 8:09 PM, Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
He sure has my admiration. I am sorry that you are angered by the
thought that he not only killed himself, but destroyed an irreplaceable
aircraft Brian, but I have this nagging feeling that he really didn't
much care what your opinion was in the matter, and I have to admit,
neither do I.
Whether you or he care for my opinion doesn't change the facts. The airplane
and the laws of physics don't care about anyone's opinion. But three things are
for sure: he's dead, the airplane is destroyed, and it didn't have to happen.
There are so many things we HAVE to risk when we fly: weather, mechanical failure,
momentary lapses of skill, and plain old bad luck. We don't need to intentionally
make it worse. We stay alive and give aviation a good name by exercising
GOOD judgement.
Some people really live life to the fullest, and that
oftentimes means doing things that others consider careless, reckless,
or dangerous. One of the greatest freedoms we can have in this country
is to make those decisions ourselves, although it is well known that
there will ALWAYS be those with 20/20 hindsight.
Oh, bullshit Mark. There is no 20/20 hindsight in this. We all know that doing
a roll on takeoff is both stupid and unnecessary. There is little question in
my mind that I could pull it off too ... until I don't. But it is an unnecessary
risk that gains no one anything ... well, actually, we see what it gains.
The bottom line Mark is that there was no need. He was one hell of a Good Ol'
Boy but he did something stupid, killed himself, and destroyed an irreplaceable
aircraft. All he had to do was choose to exercise good judgement and we would
still be enjoying his company and enjoying that aircraft. But he chose to exercise
poor judgement. Period. That's is an irrefutable fact.
Spin it however you want. Get pissed off at me for telling it like it is. But
let me repeat what I said above because what I am saying is 100% true:
* He is dead.
* The airplane is destroyed.
* It didn't have to happen.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Sad day at Breckenridge TX |
And with that ... I'm out of this thread. More comments from me only worsen the
problem. Manners: When did we all lose them?
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:05
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Sad day at Breckenridge TX
Thanks John,
I am sure the family and friends of Mr. Pardue will be absolutely delighted at
the lessons you have espoused at the cost of his death ... which you know absolutely
nothing about.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fischer
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 6:42
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Sad day at Breckenridge TX
Group,
First off, I would like to offer my condolences to Mr. Pardue's family and friends.
I have seen him many times, at the Reno Air Races I have attended over the last
15+ years.
While we do not know what actually happened to Mr. Pardue (mechanical, medical,
mistake, ect...), and will probably never know, there are still lessons to be
learned. One lesson, is are low level aerobatics unnecessary (if practicing for
an airshow/or performing at one, with precautions, yes: if not, no!).
If we are going to be able to continue enjoying our aircraft (Yaks, Warbirds, ect....),
we must learn from the mistakes of others and not make the same mistakes.
Once upon a time there was someone on this form that did low level aerobatics in
their Yak-52.
His attitude was, it is my aircraft, and I will do as I please!
How would you feel if he crashed and made the local public mad, causing your local
airport to close? (it has happened)
The FAA limited your rights to fly (that was how we got the 300/600 mile limits
imposed).
This list goes on, and on, and on......
As a flight engineer on C-130's, there are several times, I had to stop the pilots
from performing unauthorized (and non briefed), maneuvers!
While there are risk involved in aviation, hopefully we are all taking action to
mitigate them on every flight we take.
Fly safe
John Fischer
Yak-52
L-5A
PT-19A
On 4/6/2012 5:58 AM, Bill Geipel wrote:
Really Brian ? U r actually trying to defend yourself?
Let's all just let this one go. Brian knows this is a no win argument, none will
agree with him.
Bill
On Apr 5, 2012, at 8:09 PM, Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
He sure has my admiration. I am sorry that you are angered by the
thought that he not only killed himself, but destroyed an irreplaceable
aircraft Brian, but I have this nagging feeling that he really didn't
much care what your opinion was in the matter, and I have to admit,
neither do I.
Whether you or he care for my opinion doesn't change the facts. The airplane
and the laws of physics don't care about anyone's opinion. But three things are
for sure: he's dead, the airplane is destroyed, and it didn't have to happen.
There are so many things we HAVE to risk when we fly: weather, mechanical failure,
momentary lapses of skill, and plain old bad luck. We don't need to intentionally
make it worse. We stay alive and give aviation a good name by exercising
GOOD judgement.
Some people really live life to the fullest, and that
oftentimes means doing things that others consider careless, reckless,
or dangerous. One of the greatest freedoms we can have in this country
is to make those decisions ourselves, although it is well known that
there will ALWAYS be those with 20/20 hindsight.
Oh, bullshit Mark. There is no 20/20 hindsight in this. We all know that doing
a roll on takeoff is both stupid and unnecessary. There is little question in
my mind that I could pull it off too ... until I don't. But it is an unnecessary
risk that gains no one anything ... well, actually, we see what it gains.
The bottom line Mark is that there was no need. He was one hell of a Good Ol'
Boy but he did something stupid, killed himself, and destroyed an irreplaceable
aircraft. All he had to do was choose to exercise good judgement and we would
still be enjoying his company and enjoying that aircraft. But he chose to exercise
poor judgement. Period. That's is an irrefutable fact.
Spin it however you want. Get pissed off at me for telling it like it is. But
let me repeat what I said above because what I am saying is 100% true:
* He is dead.
* The airplane is destroyed.
* It didn't have to happen.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
href="3D%22http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List%22">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
href="3D%22http://forums.matronics.com%22">http://forums.matronics.com
href="3D%22http://www.matronics.com/contribution%22">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Sad day at Breckenridge TX |
Guys,
It's a tragedy for sure for his family. Someone else said something today t
hat was right up my line of thinking. If there was a medical or mechanical
issue then we are all sorry for the loss. If it was an intentional maneuver
, then I worry every time that happens because like the F-18 crash today, p
eople on the ground can and do get hurt or killed. Military must fly. Warbi
rds are not so needed. Our privileges are at risk with every such event. Th
at alone is reason enough to be careful and make smart decisions.
Happy Easter to all...
Richard Hess
C 404-964-4885
-----Original Message-----
From: Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E, MALS-14 64E <ma
rk.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Fri, Apr 6, 2012 2:44 pm
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Sad day at Breckenridge TX
ALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
And with that ... I'm out of this thread. More comments from me only worse
n the
roblem. Manners: When did we all lose them?
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
rom: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matr
onics.com]
n Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E
ent: Friday, April 06, 2012 12:05
o: yak-list@matronics.com
ubject: RE: Yak-List: Sad day at Breckenridge TX
ALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Thanks John,
I am sure the family and friends of Mr. Pardue will be absolutely delighted
at
he lessons you have espoused at the cost of his death ... which you know
bsolutely nothing about.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
rom: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matr
onics.com]
n Behalf Of John Fischer
ent: Friday, April 06, 2012 6:42
o: yak-list@matronics.com
ubject: Re: Yak-List: Sad day at Breckenridge TX
Group,
First off, I would like to offer my condolences to Mr. Pardue's family and
riends.
have seen him many times, at the Reno Air Races I have attended over the l
ast
5+ years.
While we do not know what actually happened to Mr. Pardue (mechanical, medi
cal,
istake, ect...), and will probably never know, there are still lessons to b
e
earned. One lesson, is are low level aerobatics unnecessary (if practicing
for
n airshow/or performing at one, with precautions, yes: if not, no!).
If we are going to be able to continue enjoying our aircraft (Yaks, Warbird
s,
ct....), we must learn from the mistakes of others and not make the same
istakes.
Once upon a time there was someone on this form that did low level aerobati
cs in
heir Yak-52.
is attitude was, it is my aircraft, and I will do as I please!
ow would you feel if he crashed and made the local public mad, causing your
ocal airport to close? (it has happened)
he FAA limited your rights to fly (that was how we got the 300/600 mile lim
its
mposed).
his list goes on, and on, and on......
As a flight engineer on C-130's, there are several times, I had to stop the
ilots from performing unauthorized (and non briefed), maneuvers!
hile there are risk involved in aviation, hopefully we are all taking actio
n to
itigate them on every flight we take.
Fly safe
ohn Fischer
ak-52
-5A
T-19A
On 4/6/2012 5:58 AM, Bill Geipel wrote:
Really Brian ? U r actually trying to defend yourself?
Let's all just let this one go. Brian knows this is a no win argument, none
ill agree with him.
Bill
On Apr 5, 2012, at 8:09 PM, Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
On Thu, Apr 5, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Poi
nt,
ALS-14 64E <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
He sure has my admiration. I am sorry that you are angered by the
thought that he not only killed himself, but destroyed an irreplaceab
le
aircraft Brian, but I have this nagging feeling that he really didn't
much care what your opinion was in the matter, and I have to admit,
neither do I.
Whether you or he care for my opinion doesn't change the facts. The airp
lane
nd the laws of physics don't care about anyone's opinion. But three things
are
or sure: he's dead, the airplane is destroyed, and it didn't have to happen
.
There are so many things we HAVE to risk when we fly: weather, mechan
ical
ailure, momentary lapses of skill, and plain old bad luck. We don't need to
ntentionally make it worse. We stay alive and give aviation a good name by
xercising GOOD judgement.
Some people really live life to the fullest, and that
oftentimes means doing things that others consider careless, reckless
,
or dangerous. One of the greatest freedoms we can have in this count
ry
is to make those decisions ourselves, although it is well known that
there will ALWAYS be those with 20/20 hindsight.
Oh, bullshit Mark. There is no 20/20 hindsight in this. We all know that
doing
roll on takeoff is both stupid and unnecessary. There is little question i
n my
ind that I could pull it off too ... until I don't. But it is an unnecessar
y
isk that gains no one anything ... well, actually, we see what it gains.
The bottom line Mark is that there was no need. He was one hell of a
Good Ol'
oy but he did something stupid, killed himself, and destroyed an irreplacea
ble
ircraft. All he had to do was choose to exercise good judgement and we woul
d
till be enjoying his company and enjoying that aircraft. But he chose to
xercise poor judgement. Period. That's is an irrefutable fact.
Spin it however you want. Get pissed off at me for telling it like it
is. But
et me repeat what I said above because what I am saying is 100% true:
*He is dead.
*The airplane is destroyed.
*It didn't have to happen.
--
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Due to oil leaking out the exhaust valve guides, I'm in the process of removing
my M-14P and stuffing in a Zero since OH "spare". Anyone interested in a good
candidate for a custom OH, here is a good core. Has 891.3 hours since new and
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Contact OFF-LIST please and let me know if you are interested. I'll accept fair
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Stock ringand shipping legs on a pallet.
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| Subject: | Tragic loss in Tx |
Having served in and around AF/ANG fighter squadrons for 28 of my 32 1/2 years
of service as well as being a Safety Investigation Board member (SIB) on 10 different
class A aircraft accidents there is a pat process that takes place over
the thirty day investigation process. Every effort is made to respect the family
during their time of loss. Saying that however there is also an expected
flow of information from the board president to the ACC commander and Safety (
then it was TAC headquarters). An 8 hour report,, a 72 hour report, 7 day, 14
day, 21 day were released for dissemination to the squadrons. The final 30 day
report was delivered in person by the board president to the CC of TAC. That
report explored all of the aspects of the accident.
My point is information flowed to the individual squadrons' safety officers and
hence the pilots around the world. Why? To help each squadron and each pilot
learn from the facts of the accident ( mistakes and/or correct actions taken by
the accident pilot along with any mechanical findings). Human factors and mechanical
findings were released. Feelings were checked at the door. The facts
were given without editorial comment. An asset and a pilot was lost to injury
or was dead so information needed to be released so the squadrons could learn
from the mistakes of others.
The thing I HATE about the FAA's process is information is seldom released and
the damned investigation takes a year to complete. When it is completed one has
to filter through tons of minutiae to find an answer.
So for now check the touchy feelie PC feelings and state the facts. As it stands
right now a F9F is a pile of useless burnt metal after becoming a smoking hole.
Did the pilot do a snap roll on take off and auger in? Rumor...Yes I said
rumor...says he did. Fact...he is dead and his family is grieving. The other
fact is we do not have a clue as to why he boxed. Just rumors.
So, shut the F#% up and Wait on the painfully slow bureaucratic FAA to grind their
way through this investigation. Maybe this time next year we will have an
answer as to why this pilot and aircraft was lost.
Bet you thought I was going to blame the dead man didn't you? Not yet! I can only
speculate for now so I'll shut the F#% up.
Doc
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