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1. 05:10 AM - Re: Re: CJ-7 Pictures (George Coy)
2. 07:07 AM - Re: CJ-7 Pictures (Pete Fowler)
3. 09:20 AM - Re: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim (John Fischer)
4. 11:42 AM - Re: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim (Bill Geipel)
5. 01:13 PM - Re: Re: CJ-7 Pictures (cjpilot710@aol.com)
6. 03:53 PM - Re: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
7. 04:24 PM - thoughts (Brian Lloyd)
8. 05:12 PM - Diagnosing and fixing a DG (Yak 52) (Steven Johnson)
9. 05:15 PM - Re: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim (Bill Geipel)
10. 05:15 PM - Re: thoughts (Bill Geipel)
11. 05:16 PM - Surging engine: CJ6A - HS6A (pnicholson)
12. 05:40 PM - Re: Surging engine: CJ6A - HS6A (Javier Carrasco)
13. 05:43 PM - Re: Surging engine: CJ6A - HS6A (lOU)
14. 05:50 PM - Re: Surging engine: CJ6A - HS6A (hesz837@aol.com)
15. 06:15 PM - Re: Surging engine: CJ6A - HS6A (Warren Hill)
16. 06:37 PM - Re: Diagnosing and fixing a DG (Yak 52) (A. Dennis Savarese)
17. 06:43 PM - Re: Surging engine: CJ6A - HS6A (Gary Gabbard)
18. 07:51 PM - Re: Surging engine: CJ6A - HS6A (Roger Kemp M.D.)
19. 09:32 PM - Re: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
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| Subject: | Re: CJ-7 Pictures |
Ahhh, but the engine is a license built Russian AI-14RA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Fowler
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 10:33 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ-7 Pictures
Though I'm SURE you're kidding, because everyone knows the CJ-6 is not a Yak 18
copy, knockoff. or relative...but because the mistake persists, here's a good
book on the subject.
My favorite quote: "The Yak-18A was duly studied by the design office of the Shenyang
Aircraft Factory and rejected as outdated. The reason was that the new
model retained the basic airframe structure of the Yak-18...
http://www.scribd.com/doc/36078486/Chinese-Aircraft
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370416#370416
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| Subject: | Re: CJ-7 Pictures |
And the Lancaster bomber uses Merlin engines but I'm pretty sure nobody would confuse
one with a P-51. [Laughing]
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370440#370440
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| Subject: | Re: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim |
Mark,
You seem to have lots of questions and even more answers (see your
emails below).
So I will answer one for you:
Question: on 4-6-12 you asked when we all lost our manners.
Answer: You seem to be the only one using personnel attacks on posters!
Evidence: 04-06-12 attack against me, and 04-05-12 attack against Brian.
(see below to remind you).
I am sure I can find more if I search through the board.
Statement: on 04-06-12 you said that more comments from you only make
the problem worse and you were out.
Response: Then today you post again! (can't seem to keep you mouth shut,
can you!)
On 04-05-12 you wrote "My common sense says to keep my mouth shut. My IQ
says to keep my mouth shut. However, the retired Marine in me insists I
reply to this person. Above all, I am a retired Marine."
I may be wrong, but I believe that the Marine Coprs teaches ethics,
which you seem to lack!
Perhaps, you need to return to the Corps and take more ethics classes if
you with to tell people you are an ex-marine (and diminish respect for
your Corps!)
Now with these comments, I am done answering your post (and since I have
ethics and common sense, you will not hear from me again on these matters).
Laterrrrrrr
John Fischer
On 4/5/2012 8:58 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> My common sense says to keep my mouth shut. My IQ says to keep my mouth shut.
However, the retired Marine in me insists I reply to this person. Above all,
I am a retired Marine. So here I go.
>
> Here's a straw poll.
>
> How many YAK List readers asked for Mr. Lloyds opinion on this pilots death?
>
> How many Yak List readers needed another lecture from Mr. Lloyd on how smart
he is, and how dumb everyone else is?
>
> How many Yak List readers feel that his comments are inappropriate, uncaring,
show no compassion for a dead pilots family or friends, are totally judgemental,
and are based purely on his constant belief that anything that comes out
of his mouth must be true?
>
> Brian, take a hike. Again. Please. Your comments make me want to puke. I
am a retired service member, I have spent 42 years in service to my country,
and I am out here at Yuma Az. doing it again right now, and I do not think that
you have the slightest clue of what it means to show compassion and honor to
the service this man gave to YOUR country. To you, none of that matters.
>
> Here's a big revelation for you. Sometimes the TRUTH does not matter. REALLY.
Sometimes it is about shutting your mouth and showing honor and respect for
others that deserve it. This is not saying that I admit to your interpretation
of "The Truth". Very simply, I do not. This is me telling you that you
need to shut your pie hole. You're a really great high school teacher. Let's
leave it at that. Now please DROP THIS and move on to some other topic.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
On 4/6/2012 12:04 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Thanks John,
>
> I am sure the family and friends of Mr. Pardue will be absolutely delighted at
the lessons you have espoused at the cost of his death ... which you know absolutely
nothing about.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
On 4/6/2012 12:38 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> And with that ... I'm out of this thread. More comments from me only worsen
the problem. Manners: When did we all lose them?
>
> Mark Bitterlich
On 4/9/2012 9:47 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
>
>
>>> 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Wednesday, April 04, 2012
in Breckenridge, TX Aircraft: Grumman F8F-1, registration: N14HP Injuries: 1
Fatal.
>>>
>
>>> This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors.
Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.
>>>
>
> Enough said.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim |
You boys done? He's dead, a lot of us that new him, miss him. Don't care who's
fault. Friend is gone. Go off line and beat each other up.
I suggest the 3 or 4 of you try not to be an expert on everything. The rest of
us are actually quite stupid.
After 28,000 hrs, flying fighters, flying airliners, I have a low altitude waver,
doing all the things I probably shouldn't have, I must admit, I don't know
a quarter of what you guys know.
You all are a wealth of knowledge from accident investigation to heart health problems.
There is nothing you folks can't discuss with authority and expertise.
I bow to those that have placed themselves on high!
Bill
On Apr 10, 2012, at 10:16 AM, John Fischer <fish@aviation-tech.com> wrote:
>
> Mark,
>
> You seem to have lots of questions and even more answers (see your emails below).
> So I will answer one for you:
>
> Question: on 4-6-12 you asked when we all lost our manners.
> Answer: You seem to be the only one using personnel attacks on posters!
> Evidence: 04-06-12 attack against me, and 04-05-12 attack against Brian. (see
below to remind you).
> I am sure I can find more if I search through the board.
>
> Statement: on 04-06-12 you said that more comments from you only make the problem
worse and you were out.
> Response: Then today you post again! (can't seem to keep you mouth shut, can
you!)
>
> On 04-05-12 you wrote "My common sense says to keep my mouth shut. My IQ says
to keep my mouth shut. However, the retired Marine in me insists I reply to this
person. Above all, I am a retired Marine."
>
> I may be wrong, but I believe that the Marine Coprs teaches ethics, which you
seem to lack!
> Perhaps, you need to return to the Corps and take more ethics classes if you
with to tell people you are an ex-marine (and diminish respect for your Corps!)
>
> Now with these comments, I am done answering your post (and since I have ethics
and common sense, you will not hear from me again on these matters).
>
> Laterrrrrrr
> John Fischer
>
>
> On 4/5/2012 8:58 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> My common sense says to keep my mouth shut. My IQ says to keep my mouth shut.
However, the retired Marine in me insists I reply to this person. Above all,
I am a retired Marine. So here I go.
>>
>> Here's a straw poll.
>>
>> How many YAK List readers asked for Mr. Lloyds opinion on this pilots death?
>>
>> How many Yak List readers needed another lecture from Mr. Lloyd on how smart
he is, and how dumb everyone else is?
>>
>> How many Yak List readers feel that his comments are inappropriate, uncaring,
show no compassion for a dead pilots family or friends, are totally judgemental,
and are based purely on his constant belief that anything that comes out
of his mouth must be true?
>>
>> Brian, take a hike. Again. Please. Your comments make me want to puke.
I am a retired service member, I have spent 42 years in service to my country,
and I am out here at Yuma Az. doing it again right now, and I do not think that
you have the slightest clue of what it means to show compassion and honor to
the service this man gave to YOUR country. To you, none of that matters.
>>
>> Here's a big revelation for you. Sometimes the TRUTH does not matter. REALLY.
Sometimes it is about shutting your mouth and showing honor and respect for
others that deserve it. This is not saying that I admit to your interpretation
of "The Truth". Very simply, I do not. This is me telling you that you
need to shut your pie hole. You're a really great high school teacher. Let's
leave it at that. Now please DROP THIS and move on to some other topic.
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
>>
>>
>
>
>
> On 4/6/2012 12:04 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> Thanks John,
>>
>> I am sure the family and friends of Mr. Pardue will be absolutely delighted
at the lessons you have espoused at the cost of his death ... which you know absolutely
nothing about.
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
>>
>
>
> On 4/6/2012 12:38 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> And with that ... I'm out of this thread. More comments from me only worsen
the problem. Manners: When did we all lose them?
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
>
> On 4/9/2012 9:47 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Wednesday, April 04, 2012
in Breckenridge, TX Aircraft: Grumman F8F-1, registration: N14HP Injuries:
1 Fatal.
>>>>
>>
>>>> This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors.
Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.
>>>>
>>
>> Enough said.
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: CJ-7 Pictures |
Ahhhhhh BUT the original engine on the prototype was a Cech "Doris B",
eight cylinder horizontal opposed engine. It didn't make the grade because
of
"harmonizing" between it and its prop. So they went to an engine they
were already building under license - the AI-14RA. The picture of the
prototype looks a whole lot like a T-34 in its nose. Bushi designed the "
JJ-1" a
2 seat tandem jet trainer BEFORE the CJ-6. You can see a lot of CJ lines
in its profile. For "political" reason the jet wasn't built. What I've
been able to ascertain, China's aviation industry had a hard time convenin
g
its political machine, they were capable to design and build aircraft with
out
input from "mother Russia".
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 4/10/2012 8:10:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
george.coy@gmail.com writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "George Coy" <george.coy@gmail.com>
Ahhh, but the engine is a license built Russian AI-14RA
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Fowler
Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 10:33 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ-7 Pictures
Though I'm SURE you're kidding, because everyone knows the CJ-6 is not a
Yak 18 copy, knockoff. or relative...but because the mistake persists,
here's a good book on the subject.
My favorite quote: "The Yak-18A was duly studied by the design office of
the Shenyang Aircraft Factory =C3=A2=82=AC=9D and rejected as outd
ated. The reason was
that the new model retained the basic airframe structure of the Yak-18...
http://www.scribd.com/doc/36078486/Chinese-Aircraft
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370416#370416
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| Subject: | Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim |
Glad you got this off your chest John.
After careful consideration, I do not believe your message is worth my
time responding to.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fischer
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:17
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim
Mark,
You seem to have lots of questions and even more answers (see your
emails below).
So I will answer one for you:
Question: on 4-6-12 you asked when we all lost our manners.
Answer: You seem to be the only one using personnel attacks on posters!
Evidence: 04-06-12 attack against me, and 04-05-12 attack against Brian.
(see below to remind you).
I am sure I can find more if I search through the
board.
Statement: on 04-06-12 you said that more comments from you only make
the problem worse and you were out.
Response: Then today you post again! (can't seem to keep you mouth shut,
can you!)
On 04-05-12 you wrote "My common sense says to keep my mouth shut. My IQ
says to keep my mouth shut. However, the retired Marine in me insists I
reply to this person. Above all, I am a retired Marine."
I may be wrong, but I believe that the Marine Coprs teaches ethics,
which you seem to lack!
Perhaps, you need to return to the Corps and take more ethics classes if
you with to tell people you are an ex-marine (and diminish respect for
your Corps!)
Now with these comments, I am done answering your post (and since I have
ethics and common sense, you will not hear from me again on these
matters).
Laterrrrrrr
John Fischer
On 4/5/2012 8:58 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
Point, MALS-14 64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> My common sense says to keep my mouth shut. My IQ says to keep my
mouth shut. However, the retired Marine in me insists I reply to this
person. Above all, I am a retired Marine. So here I go.
>
> Here's a straw poll.
>
> How many YAK List readers asked for Mr. Lloyds opinion on this pilots
death?
>
> How many Yak List readers needed another lecture from Mr. Lloyd on how
smart he is, and how dumb everyone else is?
>
> How many Yak List readers feel that his comments are inappropriate,
uncaring, show no compassion for a dead pilots family or friends, are
totally judgemental, and are based purely on his constant belief that
anything that comes out of his mouth must be true?
>
> Brian, take a hike. Again. Please. Your comments make me want to
puke. I am a retired service member, I have spent 42 years in service
to my country, and I am out here at Yuma Az. doing it again right now,
and I do not think that you have the slightest clue of what it means to
show compassion and honor to the service this man gave to YOUR country.
To you, none of that matters.
>
> Here's a big revelation for you. Sometimes the TRUTH does not matter.
REALLY. Sometimes it is about shutting your mouth and showing honor and
respect for others that deserve it. This is not saying that I admit to
your interpretation of "The Truth". Very simply, I do not. This is me
telling you that you need to shut your pie hole. You're a really great
high school teacher. Let's leave it at that. Now please DROP THIS
and move on to some other topic.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
On 4/6/2012 12:04 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
Point, MALS-14 64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Thanks John,
>
> I am sure the family and friends of Mr. Pardue will be absolutely
delighted at the lessons you have espoused at the cost of his death ...
which you know absolutely nothing about.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
On 4/6/2012 12:38 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
Point, MALS-14 64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> And with that ... I'm out of this thread. More comments from me only
worsen the problem. Manners: When did we all lose them?
>
> Mark Bitterlich
On 4/9/2012 9:47 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E wrote:
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
Point, MALS-14 64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
>
>
>>> 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Wednesday, April
04, 2012 in Breckenridge, TX Aircraft: Grumman F8F-1, registration:
N14HP Injuries: 1 Fatal.
>>>
>
>>> This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain
errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final
report has been completed.
>>>
>
> Enough said.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
>
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1. It doesn't matter how many hours you have so much as what you did to
get those hours.
2. Knowledge comes from where you find it. Never underestimate the power
of a student to teach you something new.
3. There are indeed old and bold, and old and bad pilots. Luck counts a
much as skill. OTOH, while I don't know how to improve my luck, I do know
how to improve my skill.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Diagnosing and fixing a DG (Yak 52) |
I took a GIB up last weekend and he informed me the DG in the back cockpit
was non-functional. Does anybody have any suggestions on the best sequence
of steps to diagnose what is wrong?
Steven Johnson
Yak 52 N9900x
0B5 Turners Falls, MA
413 522-1130
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| Subject: | Re: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim |
That is a step in the right direction. Thank you
Bill
On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:03 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
>
> Glad you got this off your chest John.
>
> After careful consideration, I do not believe your message is worth my
> time responding to.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fischer
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:17
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim
>
>
> Mark,
>
> You seem to have lots of questions and even more answers (see your
> emails below).
> So I will answer one for you:
>
> Question: on 4-6-12 you asked when we all lost our manners.
> Answer: You seem to be the only one using personnel attacks on posters!
> Evidence: 04-06-12 attack against me, and 04-05-12 attack against Brian.
>
> (see below to remind you).
> I am sure I can find more if I search through the
> board.
>
> Statement: on 04-06-12 you said that more comments from you only make
> the problem worse and you were out.
> Response: Then today you post again! (can't seem to keep you mouth shut,
>
> can you!)
>
> On 04-05-12 you wrote "My common sense says to keep my mouth shut. My IQ
>
> says to keep my mouth shut. However, the retired Marine in me insists I
> reply to this person. Above all, I am a retired Marine."
>
> I may be wrong, but I believe that the Marine Coprs teaches ethics,
> which you seem to lack!
> Perhaps, you need to return to the Corps and take more ethics classes if
>
> you with to tell people you are an ex-marine (and diminish respect for
> your Corps!)
>
> Now with these comments, I am done answering your post (and since I have
>
> ethics and common sense, you will not hear from me again on these
> matters).
>
> Laterrrrrrr
> John Fischer
>
>
> On 4/5/2012 8:58 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
> 64E wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
> Point, MALS-14 64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> My common sense says to keep my mouth shut. My IQ says to keep my
> mouth shut. However, the retired Marine in me insists I reply to this
> person. Above all, I am a retired Marine. So here I go.
>>
>> Here's a straw poll.
>>
>> How many YAK List readers asked for Mr. Lloyds opinion on this pilots
> death?
>>
>> How many Yak List readers needed another lecture from Mr. Lloyd on how
> smart he is, and how dumb everyone else is?
>>
>> How many Yak List readers feel that his comments are inappropriate,
> uncaring, show no compassion for a dead pilots family or friends, are
> totally judgemental, and are based purely on his constant belief that
> anything that comes out of his mouth must be true?
>>
>> Brian, take a hike. Again. Please. Your comments make me want to
> puke. I am a retired service member, I have spent 42 years in service
> to my country, and I am out here at Yuma Az. doing it again right now,
> and I do not think that you have the slightest clue of what it means to
> show compassion and honor to the service this man gave to YOUR country.
> To you, none of that matters.
>>
>> Here's a big revelation for you. Sometimes the TRUTH does not matter.
> REALLY. Sometimes it is about shutting your mouth and showing honor and
> respect for others that deserve it. This is not saying that I admit to
> your interpretation of "The Truth". Very simply, I do not. This is me
> telling you that you need to shut your pie hole. You're a really great
> high school teacher. Let's leave it at that. Now please DROP THIS
> and move on to some other topic.
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
>>
>>
>
>
>
> On 4/6/2012 12:04 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
> 64E wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
> Point, MALS-14 64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> Thanks John,
>>
>> I am sure the family and friends of Mr. Pardue will be absolutely
> delighted at the lessons you have espoused at the cost of his death ...
> which you know absolutely nothing about.
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
>>
>
>
> On 4/6/2012 12:38 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
> 64E wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
> Point, MALS-14 64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> And with that ... I'm out of this thread. More comments from me only
> worsen the problem. Manners: When did we all lose them?
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
>
> On 4/9/2012 9:47 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
> 64E wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
> Point, MALS-14 64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Wednesday, April
> 04, 2012 in Breckenridge, TX Aircraft: Grumman F8F-1, registration:
> N14HP Injuries: 1 Fatal.
>>>>
>>
>>>> This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain
> errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final
> report has been completed.
>>>>
>>
>> Enough said.
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
>>
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As usual, nothing valid to say. Another good start.
Bill
On Apr 10, 2012, at 3:33 PM, Brian Lloyd <brian@lloyd.com> wrote:
> It doesn't matter how many hours you have so much as what you did to get t
hose hours.
> Knowledge comes from where you find it. Never underestimate the power of a
student to teach you something new.
> There are indeed old and bold, and old and bad pilots. Luck counts a much a
s skill. OTOH, while I don't know how to improve my luck, I do know how to i
mprove my skill.
>
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> Cameron Park, CA 95682
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| Subject: | Surging engine: CJ6A - HS6A |
In straight and level flight (6000ft, 1900RPM, temps near zero C)
I had sudden and 'dramatic' engine surging. The surge dropped from 1900RPM to
1500/1600 RPM and back up to 1900, then repeated. (Pretty scary) [Shocked]
I "richened" the mixture and the surging stopped, but I had to pull the mixture
full aft to get rid of the surging. I was able to repeat this on the subsequent
flight.
The only other obvious issue I am having is a (new) rhythmic puff of white smoke
on the starboard side - not sure if it is related.
A previous issue was engine roughness on deceleration in the circuit which is still
there but somewhat managed by RPM increases decreases as I pull back on the
throttle.
Any thoughts on where to begin the search?
Thanks,
Phil
C-FEPN
(Ontario)
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| Subject: | Re: Surging engine: CJ6A - HS6A |
What are your Cyl. and Oil Temps when this happens?
--- On Tue, 4/10/12, pnicholson <pednicholson@gmail.com> wrote:
From: pnicholson <pednicholson@gmail.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Surging engine: CJ6A - HS6A
In straight and level flight (6000ft, 1900RPM, temps near zero C)
I had sudden and 'dramatic' engine surging.- The surge dropped from 1900R
PM to 1500/1600 RPM and back up to 1900, then repeated. (Pretty scary)- [
Shocked]
I "richened" the mixture and the surging stopped, but I had to pull the mix
ture full aft to get rid of the surging.- I was able to repeat this on th
e subsequent flight.-
The only other obvious issue I am having is a (new) rhythmic puff of white
smoke on the starboard side - not sure if it is related.-
A previous issue was engine roughness on deceleration in the circuit which
is still there but somewhat managed by RPM increases decreases as I pull ba
ck on the throttle.
Any thoughts on where to begin the search?
Thanks,
Phil
C-FEPN
(Ontario)
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le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Surging engine: CJ6A - HS6A |
G'Day Phil
I had a similar incident with my Cj when I landed I found a cracked intake
tube on one of the lower cylinder tubes where the oil drains screw in, it
had broken completely out, on inspection the other two had started to go the
same way, the engine had only done about 45 hrs at the time, I think the
extra weight of drain valves hanging and shaking on very thin metal is not a
real good idea.
Regards Lou
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| Subject: | Re: Surging engine: CJ6A - HS6A |
I had a similar roughness from a sticky exhaust at lower RPM. Ive seen short
but dramatic roughness and loss of RPM at crz from a bad coil. Never had a
mixture issue per se. Good luck.
Rich
Sent from my Motorola Smartphone on the Now Network from Sprint!
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From: pnicholson <pednicholson@gmail.com>
Sent: Tue, Apr 10, 2012 20:16:48 EDT
Subject: Yak-List: Surging engine: CJ6A - HS6A
In straight and level flight (6000ft, 1900RPM, temps near zero C)
I had sudden and 'dramatic' engine surging. The surge dropped from 1900RPM
to 1500/1600 RPM and back up to 1900, then repeated. (Pretty scary)
[Shocked]
I "richened" the mixture and the surging stopped, but I had to pull the
mixture full aft to get rid of the surging. I was able to repeat this on
the subsequent flight.
The only other obvious issue I am having is a (new) rhythmic puff of white
smoke on the starboard side - not sure if it is related.
A previous issue was engine roughness on deceleration in the circuit which
is still there but somewhat managed by RPM increases decreases as I pull
back on the throttle.
Any thoughts on where to begin the search?
Thanks,
Phil
C-FEPN
(Ontario)
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| Subject: | Re: Surging engine: CJ6A - HS6A |
Hello Phil,
May seem like a funny question, but is it a good idea to keep flying
when the engine is acting up and it's unclear as to why? One of these
times it may simply quit. It might be a better idea to limit flights to
orbiting over the airport until this can be sorted out.
Warren Hill
N464TW
On Apr 10, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Javier Carrasco wrote:
> What are your Cyl. and Oil Temps when this happens?
>
> --- On Tue, 4/10/12, pnicholson <pednicholson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: pnicholson <pednicholson@gmail.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Surging engine: CJ6A - HS6A
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 8:14 PM
>
>
> In straight and level flight (6000ft, 1900RPM, temps near zero C)
> I had sudden and 'dramatic' engine surging. The surge dropped from
1900RPM to 1500/1600 RPM and back up to 1900, then repeated. (Pretty
scary) [Shocked]
> I "richened" the mixture and the surging stopped, but I had to pull
the mixture full aft to get rid of the surging. I was able to repeat
this on the subsequent flight.
> The only other obvious issue I am having is a (new) rhythmic puff of
white smoke on the starboard side - not sure if it is related.
> A previous issue was engine roughness on deceleration in the circuit
which is still there but somewhat managed by RPM increases decreases as
I pull back on the throttle.
>
> Any thoughts on where to begin the search?
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
> C-FEPN
> (Ontario)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Diagnosing and fixing a DG (Yak 52) |
Swap the front and rear and see what happens. Most likely the rear AI
has given up and your best bet would be to replace it. To my knowledge,
there are no known repair facilities.
An alternative would be to replace the front AI with a Dynon D10 and D6
and just leave the good one in the rear.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 4/10/2012 7:09 PM, Steven Johnson wrote:
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> I took a GIB up last weekend and he informed me the DG in the back
> cockpit was non-functional. Does anybody have any suggestions on the
> best sequence of steps to diagnose what is wrong?
>
> Steven Johnson
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> 0B5 Turners Falls, MA
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| Subject: | Re: Surging engine: CJ6A - HS6A |
Phil, I had a some surging happen as you described several years ago when I
still had the Housi engine in my CJ, I found a plug on the very top of the
back side of the Carburetor had not been safety wired and it had unscrewed
, almost to the point of falling out, it is in the top of a pressure chambe
r that controls the fuel flow in the pressure carb.
-The other surging problem I encountered was the seal around the wobble p
ump was bad and at a climb attitude, at altitude it was allowing air to be
sucked in around the wobble pump shaft and the engine driven pump would loo
se suction because of the air in the fuel line, some surging and then no fu
el pressure, engine quits,, - - but the first -item to check is the p
lug on top of the Carb.. - Good Luck... -Gary
--- On Tue, 4/10/12, Warren Hill <k7wx@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Warren Hill <k7wx@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Surging engine: CJ6A - HS6A
Hello Phil,
May seem like a funny question, but is it a good idea to keep flying when t
he engine is acting up and it's unclear as to why? One of these times it ma
y simply quit. It might be a better idea to limit flights to orbiting over
the airport until this can be sorted out.-
Warren HillN464TW
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On Apr 10, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Javier Carrasco wrote:
What are your Cyl. and Oil Temps when this happens?
--- On Tue, 4/10/12, pnicholson <pednicholson@gmail.com> wrote:
From: pnicholson <pednicholson@gmail.com>
Subject: Yak-List: Surging engine: CJ6A - HS6A
In straight and level flight (6000ft, 1900RPM, temps near zero C)
I had sudden and 'dramatic' engine surging.- The surge dropped from 1900R
PM to 1500/1600 RPM and back up to 1900, then repeated. (Pretty scary)- [
Shocked]
I=0A "richened" the mixture and the surging stopped, but I had to pull the
mixture full aft to get rid of the surging.- I was able to repeat this on
the subsequent flight.-
The only other obvious issue I am having is a (new) rhythmic puff of white
smoke on the starboard side - not sure if it is related.-
A previous issue was engine roughness on deceleration in the circuit which
is still there but somewhat managed by RPM increases decreases as I pull ba
ck on the throttle.
Any thoughts on where to begin the search?
Thanks,
Phil
C-FEPN
(Ontario)
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| Subject: | Re: Surging engine: CJ6A - HS6A |
Phil,
All as stated, intake leaks, loose seals on the carb, cracked intake drain p
lug, cracked intake drain tubing connecting
The three lower cylinders, loose intake collars both ends ( supercharger and
cylinder), primer pump seal, fuel pump seal between the oil pump and the fu
el pump. And finally the diaphragm in the carb. Also how old are your fuel l
ines. A fragment off
The fuel line (flapper) can break off and partially to totally block the fi
nger screen filter in carb.
This sounds like intake issues. I would stand her down until you sort this o
ut.good luck.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 10, 2012, at 8:40 PM, Gary Gabbard <ggg6@att.net> wrote:
> Phil, I had a some surging happen as you described several years ago when I
still had the Housi engine in my CJ, I found a plug on the very top of the b
ack side of the Carburetor had not been safety wired and it had unscrewed, a
lmost to the point of falling out, it is in the top of a pressure chamber th
at controls the fuel flow in the pressure carb.
>
> The other surging problem I encountered was the seal around the wobble pu
mp was bad and at a climb attitude, at altitude it was allowing air to be su
cked in around the wobble pump shaft and the engine driven pump would loose s
uction because of the air in the fuel line, some surging and then no fuel pr
essure, engine quits,, but the first item to check is the plug on top o
f the Carb.. Good Luck... Gary
>
> --- On Tue, 4/10/12, Warren Hill <k7wx@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> From: Warren Hill <k7wx@earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Surging engine: CJ6A - HS6A
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 6:12 PM
>
> Hello Phil,
>
> May seem like a funny question, but is it a good idea to keep flying when t
he engine is acting up and it's unclear as to why? One of these times it may
simply quit. It might be a better idea to limit flights to orbiting over th
e airport until this can be sorted out.
>
> Warren Hill
> N464TW
>
> On Apr 10, 2012, at 5:38 PM, Javier Carrasco wrote:
>
>> What are your Cyl. and Oil Temps when this happens?
>>
>> --- On Tue, 4/10/12, pnicholson <pednicholson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From: pnicholson <pednicholson@gmail.com>
>> Subject: Yak-List: Surging engine: CJ6A - HS6A
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2012, 8:14 PM
>>
>>
>> In straight and level flight (6000ft, 1900RPM, temps near zero C)
>> I had sudden and 'dramatic' engine surging. The surge dropped from 1900R
PM to 1500/1600 RPM and back up to 1900, then repeated. (Pretty scary) [Sho
cked]
>> I "richened" the mixture and the surging stopped, but I had to pull the m
ixture full aft to get rid of the surging. I was able to repeat this on the
subsequent flight.
>> The only other obvious issue I am having is a (new) rhythmic puff of whit
e smoke on the starboard side - not sure if it is related.
>> A previous issue was engine roughness on deceleration in the circuit whic
h is still there but somewhat managed by RPM increases decreases as I pull b
ack on the throttle.
>>
>> Any thoughts on where to begin the search?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Phil
>>
>> C-FEPN
>> (Ontario)
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| Subject: | Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim |
Bill, I do not ascribe to your definition of the "right direction". I do not acknowledge
your opinion to be the "right" or the "wrong" one. Excuse me, but
who are you to tell me any darn thing? You're not. If you have some form
of technical expertise, then please offer it. If you want to tell others how
to go about flying and living their lives, then stop. Please. I will be glad
to do likewise.
What I am saying is that I am sick and tired of people trying to tell others how
to go about flying MY airplanes on the YAK LIST. None of you folks have the
right to do so, and I am not looking for any of your opinions. Who are ANY of
you to tell me how to go about flying MY airplane? I paid for it, none of you
did, and good luck with trying to come up with a rationale that condones you
telling me any darn thing. Freaking control addicts.
I did not ask for your opinion of safety. I did not ask for your opinion about
flying. So shut the heck up.
Have I added my comments on things dealing with dead pilots, service members, etc.?
Yep. I have. In response to others that stuck their darn nose in where it does
not belong.
SO STOP TELLING OTHER PEOPLE HOW YOU THINK THEY SHOULD FLY THEIR AIRPLANES!
If people on this list.. me, you everyone else, can stop telling other people how
they should go about doing their businesses, this would be a much happier place.
Let's go back to HELPING each other and let's stay away from LECTURING each other.
And no folks, the "Safety" aspect just does not wash.
Mark Bitterlich
p..s I could be wrong, but I don't freaking think so.
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Bill Geipel
Sent: Tue 4/10/2012 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim
That is a step in the right direction. Thank you
Bill
On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:03 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
>
> Glad you got this off your chest John.
>
> After careful consideration, I do not believe your message is worth my
> time responding to.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fischer
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:17
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Howard Pardue - NTSB Prelim
>
>
> Mark,
>
> You seem to have lots of questions and even more answers (see your
> emails below).
> So I will answer one for you:
>
> Question: on 4-6-12 you asked when we all lost our manners.
> Answer: You seem to be the only one using personnel attacks on posters!
> Evidence: 04-06-12 attack against me, and 04-05-12 attack against Brian.
>
> (see below to remind you).
> I am sure I can find more if I search through the
> board.
>
> Statement: on 04-06-12 you said that more comments from you only make
> the problem worse and you were out.
> Response: Then today you post again! (can't seem to keep you mouth shut,
>
> can you!)
>
> On 04-05-12 you wrote "My common sense says to keep my mouth shut. My IQ
>
> says to keep my mouth shut. However, the retired Marine in me insists I
> reply to this person. Above all, I am a retired Marine."
>
> I may be wrong, but I believe that the Marine Coprs teaches ethics,
> which you seem to lack!
> Perhaps, you need to return to the Corps and take more ethics classes if
>
> you with to tell people you are an ex-marine (and diminish respect for
> your Corps!)
>
> Now with these comments, I am done answering your post (and since I have
>
> ethics and common sense, you will not hear from me again on these
> matters).
>
> Laterrrrrrr
> John Fischer
>
>
> On 4/5/2012 8:58 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
> 64E wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
> Point, MALS-14 64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> My common sense says to keep my mouth shut. My IQ says to keep my
> mouth shut. However, the retired Marine in me insists I reply to this
> person. Above all, I am a retired Marine. So here I go.
>>
>> Here's a straw poll.
>>
>> How many YAK List readers asked for Mr. Lloyds opinion on this pilots
> death?
>>
>> How many Yak List readers needed another lecture from Mr. Lloyd on how
> smart he is, and how dumb everyone else is?
>>
>> How many Yak List readers feel that his comments are inappropriate,
> uncaring, show no compassion for a dead pilots family or friends, are
> totally judgemental, and are based purely on his constant belief that
> anything that comes out of his mouth must be true?
>>
>> Brian, take a hike. Again. Please. Your comments make me want to
> puke. I am a retired service member, I have spent 42 years in service
> to my country, and I am out here at Yuma Az. doing it again right now,
> and I do not think that you have the slightest clue of what it means to
> show compassion and honor to the service this man gave to YOUR country.
> To you, none of that matters.
>>
>> Here's a big revelation for you. Sometimes the TRUTH does not matter.
> REALLY. Sometimes it is about shutting your mouth and showing honor and
> respect for others that deserve it. This is not saying that I admit to
> your interpretation of "The Truth". Very simply, I do not. This is me
> telling you that you need to shut your pie hole. You're a really great
> high school teacher. Let's leave it at that. Now please DROP THIS
> and move on to some other topic.
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
>>
>>
>
>
> On 4/6/2012 12:04 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
> 64E wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
> Point, MALS-14 64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> Thanks John,
>>
>> I am sure the family and friends of Mr. Pardue will be absolutely
> delighted at the lessons you have espoused at the cost of his death ...
> which you know absolutely nothing about.
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
>>
>
>
> On 4/6/2012 12:38 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
> 64E wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
> Point, MALS-14 64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> And with that ... I'm out of this thread. More comments from me only
> worsen the problem. Manners: When did we all lose them?
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
>
> On 4/9/2012 9:47 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14
> 64E wrote:
>> --> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry
> Point, MALS-14 64E"<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> 14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation Accident occurred Wednesday, April
> 04, 2012 in Breckenridge, TX Aircraft: Grumman F8F-1, registration:
> N14HP Injuries: 1 Fatal.
>>>>
>>
>>>> This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain
> errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final
> report has been completed.
>>>>
>>
>> Enough said.
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
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