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1. 11:34 AM - compressor issues (Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer)
2. 11:59 AM - Re: compressor issues (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 12:01 PM - Re: compressor issues (doug sapp)
4. 12:47 PM - Re: compressor issues (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 01:13 PM - Re: compressor issues (Larry Pine)
6. 01:18 PM - Re: compressor issues (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
7. 01:19 PM - Re: compressor issues (Dale)
8. 03:25 PM - Re: compressor issues (Brian Lloyd)
9. 03:38 PM - Re: compressor issues (\)
10. 05:07 PM - Re: compressor issues (John Fischer)
11. 06:08 PM - Re: compressor issues (Bill Geipel)
12. 07:47 PM - Re: compressor issues (Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer)
13. 09:31 PM - Dragger mod for the YAK 50 (Roger Kemp M.D.)
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| Subject: | compressor issues |
The other day I had a chat with a friend who
owns a M14P powered homebuilt.
He told me he doesn't have much luck with
with the original engine driven compressor
and is now thinking about removing and replacing
it with a Series 32 Cornelius 3-stage 1500psi
27VDC compressor (installed in the rear part of
the fuselage).
He has no retractable undercarriage and no
pneumatically operated flaps and brakes,
his air system is only used to fire up the engine.
I suggested to convert to an approved electric start
system but since he has already that surplus compressor
(and a skinny wallet), he would like to give it a try.
I am always very skeptic if someone deviates
from the designer's path, but since this is a
homebuilt - different rules apply?
What are the cons and pros of this project, I
have never heard of anyone doing something
similar?
Your educated opinion on this matter is highly
appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | Re: compressor issues |
Elmar,
What seems to be the problem with the engine driven compressor? It is a
very reliable and efficient system. Tell your friend to contact either
by phone or off list and I will try to help him.
There are several Yak 52TW's that have electric and air start. Most of
the owners use the electric start to start the engine and use the air
start as a backup. George Coy at Border Air in Swanton, Vermont may be
able to help him with an electric start, should he decide that is the
way he wants to go. The electric start 52TW's are sometimes and
affectionately called "sissy yaks".
Naturally, it will add weight to the nose because the electric starter
and mounting assembly attaches at the nose case and adds a flywheel
between the nose case and the prop flange. He will also have to add the
battery and necessary heavy duty cables. Most import is the nose case
itself. It must be a series II nose case with the round accessory plate
on the left side. A series I nose case does not have the accessory
plate and therefore would have to be changed to a series II. May be
more than he really wants to do. Especially when it comes to changing
the nose case, should it be necessary.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 5/9/2012 1:30 PM, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer wrote:
> <samira.h@shaw.ca>
>
> The other day I had a chat with a friend who
> owns a M14P powered homebuilt.
>
> He told me he doesn't have much luck with
> with the original engine driven compressor
> and is now thinking about removing and replacing
> it with a Series 32 Cornelius 3-stage 1500psi
> 27VDC compressor (installed in the rear part of
> the fuselage).
>
> He has no retractable undercarriage and no
> pneumatically operated flaps and brakes,
> his air system is only used to fire up the engine.
>
> I suggested to convert to an approved electric start
> system but since he has already that surplus compressor
> (and a skinny wallet), he would like to give it a try.
>
> I am always very skeptic if someone deviates
> from the designer's path, but since this is a
> homebuilt - different rules apply?
>
> What are the cons and pros of this project, I
> have never heard of anyone doing something
> similar?
>
> Your educated opinion on this matter is highly
> appreciated.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> cheers
>
> Elmar
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: compressor issues |
Elmar,
The idea is a good one if you have a lot of time and a big battery. As
with most high pressure compressors these compressors pump very slowly. I
found that I had to install a converter to convert 110 volts AC to 24 volts
@20 amps DC to produce my high pressure shop air to check valves etc. I
also tried a pair of heavy duty deep cycle 12 volt batteries but found that
when operating under any pressure at all the compressor sucked the
batteries dry before my CJ tank was full.
Doug
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h@shaw.ca
> wrote:
> samira.h@shaw.ca>
>
> The other day I had a chat with a friend who
> owns a M14P powered homebuilt.
>
> He told me he doesn't have much luck with
> with the original engine driven compressor
> and is now thinking about removing and replacing
> it with a Series 32 Cornelius 3-stage 1500psi
> 27VDC compressor (installed in the rear part of
> the fuselage).
>
> He has no retractable undercarriage and no
> pneumatically operated flaps and brakes,
> his air system is only used to fire up the engine.
>
> I suggested to convert to an approved electric start
> system but since he has already that surplus compressor
> (and a skinny wallet), he would like to give it a try.
>
> I am always very skeptic if someone deviates
> from the designer's path, but since this is a
> homebuilt - different rules apply?
>
> What are the cons and pros of this project, I
> have never heard of anyone doing something
> similar?
>
> Your educated opinion on this matter is highly
> appreciated.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> cheers
>
> Elmar
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: compressor issues |
EXCELLENT points Doug.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 5/9/2012 1:57 PM, doug sapp wrote:
> Elmar,
> The idea is a good one if you have a lot of time and a big battery.
> As with most high pressure compressors these compressors pump very
> slowly. I found that I had to install a converter to convert 110
> volts AC to 24 volts @20 amps DC to produce my high pressure shop air
> to check valves etc. I also tried a pair of heavy duty deep cycle 12
> volt batteries but found that when operating under any pressure at all
> the compressor sucked the batteries dry before my CJ tank was full.
>
> Doug
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer
> <samira.h@shaw.ca <mailto:samira.h@shaw.ca>> wrote:
>
> <samira.h@shaw.ca <mailto:samira.h@shaw.ca>>
>
> The other day I had a chat with a friend who
> owns a M14P powered homebuilt.
>
> He told me he doesn't have much luck with
> with the original engine driven compressor
> and is now thinking about removing and replacing
> it with a Series 32 Cornelius 3-stage 1500psi
> 27VDC compressor (installed in the rear part of
> the fuselage).
>
> He has no retractable undercarriage and no
> pneumatically operated flaps and brakes,
> his air system is only used to fire up the engine.
>
> I suggested to convert to an approved electric start
> system but since he has already that surplus compressor
> (and a skinny wallet), he would like to give it a try.
>
> I am always very skeptic if someone deviates
> from the designer's path, but since this is a
> homebuilt - different rules apply?
>
> What are the cons and pros of this project, I
> have never heard of anyone doing something
> similar?
>
> Your educated opinion on this matter is highly
> appreciated.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> cheers
>
> Elmar
>
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| Subject: | Re: compressor issues |
I have, what I'm told is an AN2 engine driven compressor. Mine is larger th
an the stock M14P compresssor.- Besides making-air at idle, I can have
an-empty bottle to the point of fill while taxing.-- I tend to-like
it.. Attached is a picture.
Larry Pine
--- On Wed, 5/9/12, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: compressor issues
th.net>
EXCELLENT points Doug.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 5/9/2012 1:57 PM, doug sapp wrote:
> Elmar,
> The idea is a good one if you have a lot of time and a big battery.
>- As with most high pressure compressors these compressors pump very
> slowly.- I found that I had to install a converter to convert 110
> volts AC to 24 volts @20 amps DC to produce my high pressure shop air
> to check valves etc.- I also tried a pair of heavy duty deep cycle 12
> volt batteries but found that when operating under any pressure at all
> the compressor sucked the batteries dry before my CJ tank was full.
>
> Doug
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer
> <samira.h@shaw.ca <mailto:samira.h@shaw.ca>> wrote:
>
>- ---<samira.h@shaw.ca <mailto:samira.h@shaw.ca>>
>
>- ---The other day I had a chat with a friend who
>- ---owns a M14P powered homebuilt.
>
>- ---He told me he doesn't have much luck with
>- ---with the original engine driven compressor
>- ---and is now thinking about removing and replacing
>- ---it with a Series 32 Cornelius 3-stage 1500psi
>- ---27VDC compressor (installed in the rear part of
>- ---the fuselage).
>
>- ---He has no retractable undercarriage and no
>- ---pneumatically operated flaps and brakes,
>- ---his air system is only used to fire up the engine.
>
>- ---I suggested to convert to an approved electric start
>- ---system but since he has already that surplus compressor
>- ---(and a skinny wallet), he would like to give it a try.
>
>- ---I am always very skeptic if someone deviates
>- ---from the designer's path, but since this is a
>- ---homebuilt - different rules apply?
>
>- ---What are the cons and pros of this project, I
>- ---have never heard of anyone doing something
>- ---similar?
>
>- ---Your educated opinion on this matter is highly
>- ---appreciated.
>
>- ---Thank you in advance.
>
>- ---cheers
>
>- ---Elmar
>
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| Subject: | compressor issues |
I did some research and confirmed that this compressor does indeed spec
out with a 21 Amp DC current draw at 27 VDC.
Assuming the original Russian generator is used, it can indeed handle
this kind of load. However, since this is a homebuilt aircraft, we have
to assume the electrical system is also homebuilt. We would have to
specifically know what kind of ancillary control system was used, such
as reverse current relay, etc., etc. It is doubtful that the complete
Russian system was used, thus I am guessing it might be an aftermarket
alternator system such as the B&C SK-35, etc. Need to know ALL about
that aspect of his aircraft.
We also do not know what kind of pneumatic tank was used, and the volume
of that tank. Using an overly large pneumatic tank in the homebuilt
design could indeed lead the owner into believing that the engine driven
compressor is "just not doing the job". Why? Because an overly large
tank would take one heck of a long time to come up to pressure with the
engine driven pump. This is a critical design consideration and could
be the root of the perceived problem.
As Doug Sapp points out, a 21 amp current draw for any period of time is
going to suck down the batteries in very short order. Typical
aftermarket Yak, Sukhoi, CJ-6 designs use two 12 volt batteries (in
series) of relatively light design that have between 6 to 12 amp hour
loads. These are way too small for this kind of continuous load, as
Doug mentioned.
So the idea is sound, and it will work, but it will require some pretty
extensive design requirements of the aircraft electrical system and the
aircraft battery.
As Dennis pointed out, the aircraft compressor works, and usually works
very well with minor preventative maintenance. It will (however) leak
and not work properly if it is not installed and checked properly.
Banjo fittings, crush washers, check valves, etc. All need to be
properly checked and tested, which is exactly what I am sure he wants to
talk to the gent about.
But before all that, and before electrical changes, and electrical
starters, etc., are all considered... ask this gentleman what the size
of his air tank is ... as in... what is the volume of his tank?
Especially as compared to the ones typically used in stock M-14 powered
aircraft.
Mark Bitterlich
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: compressor issues
Elmar,
The idea is a good one if you have a lot of time and a big battery. As
with most high pressure compressors these compressors pump very slowly.
I found that I had to install a converter to convert 110 volts AC to 24
volts @20 amps DC to produce my high pressure shop air to check valves
etc. I also tried a pair of heavy duty deep cycle 12 volt batteries but
found that when operating under any pressure at all the compressor
sucked the batteries dry before my CJ tank was full.
Doug
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer
<samira.h@shaw.ca> wrote:
<samira.h@shaw.ca>
The other day I had a chat with a friend who
owns a M14P powered homebuilt.
He told me he doesn't have much luck with
with the original engine driven compressor
and is now thinking about removing and replacing
it with a Series 32 Cornelius 3-stage 1500psi
27VDC compressor (installed in the rear part of
the fuselage).
He has no retractable undercarriage and no
pneumatically operated flaps and brakes,
his air system is only used to fire up the engine.
I suggested to convert to an approved electric start
system but since he has already that surplus compressor
(and a skinny wallet), he would like to give it a try.
I am always very skeptic if someone deviates
from the designer's path, but since this is a
homebuilt - different rules apply?
What are the cons and pros of this project, I
have never heard of anyone doing something
similar?
Your educated opinion on this matter is highly
appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | Re: compressor issues |
The air system will look cheap compared to changing over to electric start.
The gill system is also in the way, flywheel,crankshaft, maybe prop, starter, mounting
brackets,the rest of the electrical system changes. keep the original
air pump.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=372701#372701
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| Subject: | Re: compressor issues |
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h@shaw.ca
> wrote:
> samira.h@shaw.ca>
>
> The other day I had a chat with a friend who
> owns a M14P powered homebuilt.
>
> He told me he doesn't have much luck with
> with the original engine driven compressor
> and is now thinking about removing and replacing
> it with a Series 32 Cornelius 3-stage 1500psi
> 27VDC compressor (installed in the rear part of
> the fuselage).
>
My advice is to keep it simple. A pneumatic start system on an engine that
is designed for pneumatic start is going to be far simpler than
retrofitting electric start. The added weight alone for electric start
would give me pause.
My recommendation would be to have your friend give Dennis a call as Dennis
has already offered his assistance. It has to be a lot easier to fix what
is broken rather than to start with something completely new and then have
a completely new set of problems to troubleshoot.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Re: compressor issues |
Dennis & Doug are correct about the time a Cornelius 3-stage 1500psi 27VDC
compressor would take to fill a tank. I use a 28dcv battery charger to run
my cornelius and it takes 2 hours to fill a scuba tank to 1500psi. No a/c
battery will last long enough. It'd be best to find out whats wrong with
the regular compressor and fix it. A cornelius requires a oil supply (the
can attached) and over all its heavier. I used mine to keep a scuba bottle
filled for shop work and to refill my CJ during shop maintenance.
I am interested about the AN2 compressor. Does it fit right on the M-14 in
the regular place? This is the first I've heard of it.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
-----Original Message-----
From: Larry Pine <threein60@yahoo.com
Sent: Wed, May 9, 2012 4:17 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: compressor issues
I have, what I'm told is an AN2 engine driven compressor. Mine is larger th
an the stock M14P compresssor. Besides making air at idle, I can have an e
mpty bottle to the point of fill while taxing. I tend to like it.. Attach
ed is a picture.
Larry Pine
--- On Wed, 5/9/12, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Yak-List: compressor issues
th.net>
EXCELLENT points Doug.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 5/9/2012 1:57 PM, doug sapp wrote:
> Elmar,
> The idea is a good one if you have a lot of time and a big battery.
> As with most high pressure compressors these compressors pump very
> slowly. I found that I had to install a converter to convert 110
> volts AC to 24 volts @20 amps DC to produce my high pressure shop air
> to check valves etc. I also tried a pair of heavy duty deep cycle 12
> volt batteries but found that when operating under any pressure at all
> the compressor sucked the batteries dry before my CJ tank was full.
>
> Doug
>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer
> <samira.h@shaw.ca <mailto:samira.h@shaw.ca>> wrote:
>
> <samira.h@shaw.ca <mailto:samira.h@shaw.ca>>
>
> The other day I had a chat with a friend who
> owns a M14P powered homebuilt.
>
> He told me he doesn't have much luck with
> with the original engine driven compressor
> and is now thinking about removing and replacing
> it with a Series 32 Cornelius 3-stage 1500psi
> 27VDC compressor (installed in the rear part of
> the fuselage).
>
> He has no retractable undercarriage and no
> pneumatically operated flaps and brakes,
> his air system is only used to fire up the engine.
>
> I suggested to convert to an approved electric start
> system but since he has already that surplus compressor
> (and a skinny wallet), he would like to give it a try.
>
> I am always very skeptic if someone deviates
> from the designer's path, but since this is a
> homebuilt - different rules apply?
>
> What are the cons and pros of this project, I
> have never heard of anyone doing something
> similar?
>
> Your educated opinion on this matter is highly
> appreciated.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> cheers
>
> Elmar
>
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| Subject: | Re: compressor issues |
Group,
I looked at the Bear 360 project which has an M-14P with electric start
and Sukoi type shutters.
Skip Holm even asked about using my Yak-52 to help get the system up and
running.
But the project has not gone any further.
http://www.bearaircraft.com/
Laterrrrrr
John Fischer
California City, CA
On 5/9/2012 12:44 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
> EXCELLENT points Doug.
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-285-6263
> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
> www.yak-52.com
> Skype - Yakguy1
>
>
> On 5/9/2012 1:57 PM, doug sapp wrote:
>> Elmar,
>> The idea is a good one if you have a lot of time and a big battery.
>> As with most high pressure compressors these compressors pump very
>> slowly. I found that I had to install a converter to convert 110
>> volts AC to 24 volts @20 amps DC to produce my high pressure shop air
>> to check valves etc. I also tried a pair of heavy duty deep cycle 12
>> volt batteries but found that when operating under any pressure at
>> all the compressor sucked the batteries dry before my CJ tank was full.
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer
>> <samira.h@shaw.ca <mailto:samira.h@shaw.ca>> wrote:
>>
>> <samira.h@shaw.ca <mailto:samira.h@shaw.ca>>
>>
>> The other day I had a chat with a friend who
>> owns a M14P powered homebuilt.
>>
>> He told me he doesn't have much luck with
>> with the original engine driven compressor
>> and is now thinking about removing and replacing
>> it with a Series 32 Cornelius 3-stage 1500psi
>> 27VDC compressor (installed in the rear part of
>> the fuselage).
>>
>> He has no retractable undercarriage and no
>> pneumatically operated flaps and brakes,
>> his air system is only used to fire up the engine.
>>
>> I suggested to convert to an approved electric start
>> system but since he has already that surplus compressor
>> (and a skinny wallet), he would like to give it a try.
>>
>> I am always very skeptic if someone deviates
>> from the designer's path, but since this is a
>> homebuilt - different rules apply?
>>
>> What are the cons and pros of this project, I
>> have never heard of anyone doing something
>> similar?
>>
>> Your educated opinion on this matter is highly
>> appreciated.
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Elmar
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: compressor issues |
Does it fit where the stock compressor does?
Bill
On May 9, 2012, at 3:09 PM, Larry Pine <threein60@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I have, what I'm told is an AN2 engine driven compressor. Mine is larger t
han the stock M14P compresssor. Besides making air at idle, I can have an e
mpty bottle to the point of fill while taxing. I tend to like it.. Attache
d is a picture.
>
> Larry Pine
>
>
> --- On Wed, 5/9/12, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote
:
>
> From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: compressor issues
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 12:44 PM
>
uth.net>
>
> EXCELLENT points Doug.
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-285-6263
> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
> www.yak-52.com
> Skype - Yakguy1
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> On 5/9/2012 1:57 PM, doug sapp wrote:
> > Elmar,
> > The idea is a good one if you have a lot of time and a big battery.
> > As with most high pressure compressors these compressors pump very
> > slowly. I found that I had to install a converter to convert 110
> > volts AC to 24 volts @20 amps DC to produce my high pressure shop air
> > to check valves etc. I also tried a pair of heavy duty deep cycle 12
> > volt batteries but found that when operating under any pressure at all
> > the compressor sucked the batteries dry before my CJ tank was full.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer
> > <samira.h@shaw.ca <mailto:samira.h@shaw.ca>> wrote:
> >
> > <samira.h@shaw.ca <mailto:samira.h@shaw.ca>>
> >
> > The other day I had a chat with a friend who
> > owns a M14P powered homebuilt.
> >
> > He told me he doesn't have much luck with
> > with the original engine driven compressor
> > and is now thinking about removing and replacing
> > it with a Series 32 Cornelius 3-stage 1500psi
> > 27VDC compressor (installed in the rear part of
> > the fuselage).
> >
> > He has no retractable undercarriage and no
> > pneumatically operated flaps and brakes,
> > his air system is only used to fire up the engine.
> >
> > I suggested to convert to an approved electric start
> > system but since he has already that surplus compressor
> > (and a skinny wallet), he would like to give it a try.
> >
> > I am always very skeptic if someone deviates
> > from the designer's path, but since this is a
> > homebuilt - different rules apply?
> >
> > What are the cons and pros of this project, I
> > have never heard of anyone doing something
> > similar?
> >
> > Your educated opinion on this matter is highly
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Thank you in advance.
> >
> > cheers
> >
> > Elmar
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: compressor issues |
Thank you everybody for your
input and for sharing valuable
thoughts and information.
Dennis, I will forward Thom your
phone number - thank you for
your generous offer to give him
some guidance.
Blue Skies
Elmar
P.S.: Last month I have sold my spare
compressor but I've learned today that it
also fits on the M14P, timing is everything
in life.
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| Subject: | Dragger mod for the YAK 50 |
Sorry for taking so long to get this.
Doc
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