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1. 03:47 AM - Re: Re: High oil temp (gord)
2. 03:53 AM - Re: YAK 50 tail Wheel jack Cylinder (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 06:30 AM - Re: Re: High oil temp (Gord)
4. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: High oil temp (Gord)
5. 07:13 AM - Re: Re: High oil temp (Gord)
6. 08:47 AM - Re: YAK 50 tail Wheel jack Cylinder (Jill Gernetzke)
7. 10:01 AM - Re: Oil Cooler Recommendation revised (Jill Gernetzke)
8. 12:53 PM - Re: Shocking experience. (Barry Hancock)
9. 02:38 PM - Re: YAK 50 tail Wheel jack Cylinder (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
10. 02:42 PM - Re: YAK 50 tail Wheel jack Cylinder (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
11. 04:26 PM - Re: High oil temp (Dale)
12. 05:46 PM - Re: Re: Shocking experience. (Roger Kemp M.D.)
13. 06:15 PM - Re: Re: Shocking experience. (Bill Geipel)
14. 07:05 PM - Re: Re: Shocking experience. (Roger Kemp M.D.)
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Subject: | Re: High oil temp |
I will measure the cooler today and post measurements for a comparison. We
are cleaning out the system this morning and pulling the cooler for a good
clean for starters. Thanks for all the good info all. Gord
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of moose8154
Sent: June-12-12 11:43 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: High oil temp
Gord's airplane has the prototype oil cooler set-up which is different
(looks smaller) than the stock 50s...
If they changed the design for the next 300 airplanes, that might be why.
Just my 2 cents.
Olivier
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375479#375479
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Subject: | Re: YAK 50 tail Wheel jack Cylinder |
On Yak 52's, there is no Schrader valve fitting on the external air fill
port unless someone installed one. If someone did install a Schrader
valve, most definitely the valve core that comes with them should be
removed. Even if the valve core is a high pressure valve core, it is
unnecessary because of the check valves in the system already.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 6/12/2012 8:11 PM, KingCJ6@aol.com wrote:
>
> I dont know if Yaks are the same, but on our CJ, we removed the valve
> in the Schrader fitting on our external fill port 15 years ago
> (someone thought it would turn into a lethal projectile if it blew
> out).A one-way, internal high pressure valve prevents air from
> escaping.YRMV.
>
> Dave
>
> In a message dated 6/12/2012 2:35:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> mark.bitterlich@navy.mil writes:
>
> Point, MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> While we are talking about this tail wheel oleo ..... My seals
> leak a bit as well. Not real fast, but they leak. The idea of
> using seal replacements from the local hydraulic repair shop is a
> cool idea, but ... also too.....
>
> One thing I have found is that in some cases you do not need an
> adapter that screws down onto the fill valve and pushes down on
> the Schrader like fitting when filling the tailwheel oleo. If the
> air pressure is high enough, it just "goes in anyway".
>
> So, after the oleo is all fixed with new seals, you could simply
> attach a FLEXIBLE hose to the fill fitting, and then have a
> Schrader valve on the other end mounted into (on to?) the access
> panel. Kind of like what is being done now (more or less) on the
> actual aircraft external air fill port.
>
> One just puts a hose on there, pumps in some pressure and Voila
> ... the oleo is now re-pressurized.
>
> Instead of:
>
> Taking out all the screws.
> Removing the panel.
> Taking off the fill port cap on the oleo.
> Screwing on the special fill tool.
> Screwing down the fill tool Schrader valve "opener"
> Applying air pressure, filling oleo.
> Reverse all this and then put it all back together.
>
> Just an idea. Never tried it. (You listening Jan? :-)
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:53 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: YAK 50 tail Wheel jack Cylinder
>
>
> Amazing what that dude comes up with! :^)) Saved me on converting
> /timing that M-14DH to a PF!
> Doc
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Jj <Jetj01@aol.com>
> >Sent: Jun 12, 2012 11:06 AM
> >To: "yak-list@matronics.com" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: Re: Yak-List: YAK 50 tail Wheel jack Cylinder
> >
> >
> >I didn't...some hay tosser in KS did, just repeated procedure ;-). Jj
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >On Jun 12, 2012, at 9:38 AM, "Roger Kemp M.D."
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>
> >> Ingenious. Shoulda, coulda, and wish I woulda thought of that!
> >> Doc
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> On Jun 12, 2012, at 9:24 AM, Jj <Jetj01@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> I just found a local hydraulic cylinder repair shop in town
> and brought in my tail wheel strut seals and found a match from
> their bench stock. I used ordinary air when I refilled it. That
> was 2007 and it has been working normally since. I think total
> cost was $5. Jj
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>> On Jun 12, 2012, at 7:57 AM, "Roger Kemp M.D."
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
> >>>
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> >>>>
> >>>> Try West London Aero Club. They have bushing and spring kit
> that restores the functionality of the strut. I am not aware of a
> seal kit for the unit not saying one could not be fabricated if
> there was enough demand.
> >>>> Doc
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPad
> >>>>
> >>>> On Jun 12, 2012, at 5:28 AM, "yakxx21" <ken@aeroalgarve.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Help ! My Tail wheel suspension Jack (Cylinder) slowly goes
> down. I have stripped and cleaned it and found quite a lot of oil
> inside . Is that correct ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Where can I get a rebuild SEAL kit from ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Must be Nitrogen or can I use AIR ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have pumped it up and put it in water but cannot see any
> bubbles leaking..very odd
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any help advise , much appreciated especially as to where I
> can get a rebuild kit from
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>
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Subject: | Re: High oil temp |
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Subject: | Re: High oil temp |
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Subject: | Re: YAK 50 tail Wheel jack Cylinder |
Group,
I have the tail strut seal kit in stock. I also stock the Yak 50 MLG
actuator seal kits. Years ago, we manufactured a batch of stainless
tailwheel cylinders for the Yak 50. We haven't had any calls for them
recently, but I am open to manufacturing another batch.
Pacific Oil Cooler does a great job on oil coolers. They also have some
good info on their website: www.oilcoolers.com .
Jill
M-14P, Inc.
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Subject: | Re: Oil Cooler Recommendation revised |
Group,
I just received a private reply to my recommendation for Pacific Oil Cooler.
They did not receive satisfactory service. My opinion was based on service
that is 5 years old. I don't want to steer anyone in the wrong direction,
so if there are others out there that want to weigh in, please do!
Jill
M-14P, Inc.
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Subject: | Re: Shocking experience. |
Well...now that you are OK, that is DANG funny! LOL!
On Jun 13, 2012, at 1:30 PM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> Rather shocking experience today. I was repairing a cannon plug off
the temperature bulb, on the oil "out" fitting. I had been having
trouble with the oil temperature reading on the gauge. When I would
select the gauge for the "out" reading, I found the needle would peg
out. On advice from Doug Sapp I checked the cannon plug and sure enough
found a broken wire. Since the wire had broken out the solder lug of
the plug I needed to completely disassemble and rebuild the plug.
>
> While slaughtering the new wire into into the old lug. I momentarily
put the handle of the soldering iron in my mouth to use my free hand to
make an adjustment. Four or 5 seconds later, I felt like someone hit me
in the mouth and I saw a flash of light in both my eyes. That sure got
my attention! While I did not drop the soldering iron, I did remove it
from my mouth and tried to figure what happened. What I found is the
picture below.
>
> Lesson learned here? I've had this soldering iron for years. It is
my favorite when it comes to electrical work. It is the type I was
originally trained to use years ago as a missile repairman in the Army.
However you can see that age has caused insulation to crack across the
whole wire. Thus just a little moisture from my mouth cause it to give
me a good shock. Fortunately (and I do mean fortunately) I didn't get a
whole 115 V. No burns on my lips or in my mouth but it did smart a
little. And I believe the bright flash I saw was just a few electrical
protons- from the wire -through my eyes- to my brain. Anyway I went out
and bought a brand-new soldering iron which I plan to keep out of my
mouth. And I hope y'all will take a good look at the wiring on your
older electrical tools. We tend to take them for granted. (Now if I
could just get my eyes uncrossed). ;>p
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
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Subject: | YAK 50 tail Wheel jack Cylinder |
On the YAK-50, there is a one way directional check valve that prevents backflow
of high pressure air to the external fill port.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KingCJ6@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YAK 50 tail Wheel jack Cylinder
I dont know if Yaks are the same, but on our CJ, we removed the valve in the Schrader
fitting on our external fill port 15 years ago (someone thought it would
turn into a lethal projectile if it blew out). A one-way, internal high pressure
valve prevents air from escaping. YRMV.
Dave
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Subject: | YAK 50 tail Wheel jack Cylinder |
Great theory, and I agree that your premise is accurate.... but it does
not seem to work like that.
When you increase air to the YAK-50 oleo, at a certain point there is a
loud buzzing like sound as the valve cycles quickly. I have a highly
accurate high pressure regulator connected to the input using nitrogen.
I then closed the air input to the regulator, and opened the valve
manually on the Oleo input. This allowed the air to escape back to the
regulator pressure gage where it could be read. It was about 50 PSI
lower than the initial regulator setting that allowed the air to flow
into the oleo to begin with.
I have no idea why. Interesting discussion, but for me, I was just glad
I no longer had to open and close the manual screw in valve on the
fitting that manually opens the oleo Schrader. There is a rather large
margin for error on that oleo.... so no big deal really.
Go figure.
Mark
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: YAK 50 tail Wheel jack Cylinder
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 5:57 PM, Roger Kemp M.D.
<viperdoc@mindspring.com> wrote:
<viperdoc@mindspring.com>
The 52 TD does exactly that.
Doc
Just remember, if you are using pressure to open the Schrader valve, it
will function as a pressure reducing valve. If it requires 150 psi to
open, then the pressure on the downstream side of the valve will be 150
psi less than on the upstream side of the valve. If you need 1000 psi in
the oleo and you use 1000 psi nitrogen without using something to
mechanically open the Schrader valve, the pressure in the oleo will be
850 psi.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
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Subject: | Re: High oil temp |
And if you put the oil filter before the cooler where it belongs filtering hot
oil not cooled thicker oil you will keep some crap out of cooler as well.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=375599#375599
Message 12
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Subject: | Re: Shocking experience. |
Ediphus complex? Glad you are okay! Gotta watch what you put in your mouth!
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 13, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Barry Hancock <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com> w
rote:
> Well...now that you are OK, that is DANG funny! LOL!
>
> On Jun 13, 2012, at 1:30 PM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Rather shocking experience today. I was repairing a cannon plug off the t
emperature bulb, on the oil "out" fitting. I had been having trouble with t
he oil temperature reading on the gauge. When I would select the gauge for t
he "out" reading, I found the needle would peg out. On advice from Doug Sap
p I checked the cannon plug and sure enough found a broken wire. Since the w
ire had broken out the solder lug of the plug I needed to completely disasse
mble and rebuild the plug.
>>
>> While slaughtering the new wire into into the old lug. I momentarily put
the handle of the soldering iron in my mouth to use my free hand to make an
adjustment. Four or 5 seconds later, I felt like someone hit me in the mou
th and I saw a flash of light in both my eyes. That sure got my attention!
While I did not drop the soldering iron, I did remove it from my mouth and t
ried to figure what happened. What I found is the picture below.
>>
>> Lesson learned here? I've had this soldering iron for years. It is my f
avorite when it comes to electrical work. It is the type I was originally t
rained to use years ago as a missile repairman in the Army. However you can
see that age has caused insulation to crack across the whole wire. Thus ju
st a little moisture from my mouth cause it to give me a good shock. Fortun
ately (and I do mean fortunately) I didn't get a whole 115 V. No burns on m
y lips or in my mouth but it did smart a little. And I believe the bright f
lash I saw was just a few electrical protons- from the wire -through my eyes
- to my brain. Anyway I went out and bought a brand-new soldering iron whic
h I plan to keep out of my mouth. And I hope y'all will take a good look at
the wiring on your older electrical tools. We tend to take them for grante
d. (Now if I could just get my eyes uncrossed). ;>p
>>
>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>>
>> <DSC05788.JPG>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Shocking experience. |
Oedipus complex? Certainly not. ( I hope)
Bill
On Jun 13, 2012, at 7:43 PM, "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wro
te:
> Ediphus complex? Glad you are okay! Gotta watch what you put in your mouth
!
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 13, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Barry Hancock <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com
> wrote:
>
>> Well...now that you are OK, that is DANG funny! LOL!
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2012, at 1:30 PM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>> Rather shocking experience today. I was repairing a cannon plug off the
temperature bulb, on the oil "out" fitting. I had been having trouble with
the oil temperature reading on the gauge. When I would select the gauge fo
r the "out" reading, I found the needle would peg out. On advice from Doug S
app I checked the cannon plug and sure enough found a broken wire. Since th
e wire had broken out the solder lug of the plug I needed to completely disa
ssemble and rebuild the plug.
>>>
>>> While slaughtering the new wire into into the old lug. I momentarily pu
t the handle of the soldering iron in my mouth to use my free hand to make a
n adjustment. Four or 5 seconds later, I felt like someone hit me in the mo
uth and I saw a flash of light in both my eyes. That sure got my attention!
While I did not drop the soldering iron, I did remove it from my mouth and
tried to figure what happened. What I found is the picture below.
>>>
>>> Lesson learned here? I've had this soldering iron for years. It is my f
avorite when it comes to electrical work. It is the type I was originally t
rained to use years ago as a missile repairman in the Army. However you can
see that age has caused insulation to crack across the whole wire. Thus ju
st a little moisture from my mouth cause it to give me a good shock. Fortun
ately (and I do mean fortunately) I didn't get a whole 115 V. No burns on m
y lips or in my mouth but it did smart a little. And I believe the bright f
lash I saw was just a few electrical protons- from the wire -through my eyes
- to my brain. Anyway I went out and bought a brand-new soldering iron whic
h I plan to keep out of my mouth. And I hope y'all will take a good look at
the wiring on your older electrical tools. We tend to take them for grante
d. (Now if I could just get my eyes uncrossed). ;>p
>>>
>>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>>>
>>> <DSC05788.JPG>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Shocking experience. |
Misspelled on purpose.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 13, 2012, at 8:12 PM, Bill Geipel <czech6@mesanetworks.net> wrote:
> Oedipus complex? Certainly not. ( I hope)
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> On Jun 13, 2012, at 7:43 PM, "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com> w
rote:
>
>> Ediphus complex? Glad you are okay! Gotta watch what you put in your mout
h!
>> Doc
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Barry Hancock <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.co
m> wrote:
>>
>>> Well...now that you are OK, that is DANG funny! LOL!
>>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2012, at 1:30 PM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rather shocking experience today. I was repairing a cannon plug off th
e temperature bulb, on the oil "out" fitting. I had been having trouble wit
h the oil temperature reading on the gauge. When I would select the gauge f
or the "out" reading, I found the needle would peg out. On advice from Doug
Sapp I checked the cannon plug and sure enough found a broken wire. Since t
he wire had broken out the solder lug of the plug I needed to completely dis
assemble and rebuild the plug.
>>>>
>>>> While slaughtering the new wire into into the old lug. I momentarily p
ut the handle of the soldering iron in my mouth to use my free hand to make a
n adjustment. Four or 5 seconds later, I felt like someone hit me in the mo
uth and I saw a flash of light in both my eyes. That sure got my attention!
While I did not drop the soldering iron, I did remove it from my mouth and
tried to figure what happened. What I found is the picture below.
>>>>
>>>> Lesson learned here? I've had this soldering iron for years. It is my
favorite when it comes to electrical work. It is the type I was originally
trained to use years ago as a missile repairman in the Army. However you c
an see that age has caused insulation to crack across the whole wire. Thus j
ust a little moisture from my mouth cause it to give me a good shock. Fortu
nately (and I do mean fortunately) I didn't get a whole 115 V. No burns on m
y lips or in my mouth but it did smart a little. And I believe the bright f
lash I saw was just a few electrical protons- from the wire -through my eyes
- to my brain. Anyway I went out and bought a brand-new soldering iron whic
h I plan to keep out of my mouth. And I hope y'all will take a good look at
the wiring on your older electrical tools. We tend to take them for grante
d. (Now if I could just get my eyes uncrossed). ;>p
>>>>
>>>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>>>>
>>>> <DSC05788.JPG>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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