Today's Message Index:
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1. 08:29 AM - OSH Bound (Jill Gernetzke)
2. 08:29 AM - Re: QDF-1 AIR START SOLENOID VALVE (George Coy)
3. 08:37 AM - Re: QDF-1 AIR START SOLENOID VALVE (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 08:50 AM - Re: OSH Bound (Peter Gardiner)
5. 09:18 AM - Re: OSH Bound (David Jester)
6. 09:26 AM - Re: QDF-1 AIR START SOLENOID VALVE (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
7. 09:39 AM - Re: OSH Bound (Bradly Banks)
8. 10:47 AM - Arlington Fly-in? (Larry Pine)
9. 10:56 AM - Re: QDF-1 AIR START SOLENOID VALVE (Jan Mevis)
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Group,
M-14P, Inc. will be at Oshkosh:
Meet & Greet at the S.O.S. Bros. Beer Tent (Look skyward for the big
tethered yellow balloon and follow to the other end it is tethered to - the
beer tent). I will be there Mon, Tues, Sat from 5 - 7 pm and wearing bright
LIME green hat. Stop in and say "hi", drink a cold beer and talk some
"shop"! I always like to put a face with a voice. I have talked with some
customers for 20+ years and never met them.
Other happenings:
M-14P, Inc. will be having a drawing on Saturday at the beer tent. Some cool
prizes and entry is FREE when you say this phrase, "Show me the M-14P, Inc.
Love"! : )
V-530C Prop Blades OSHKOSH SPECIAL! Place your order for a set of new
carbon-fibre V-530C blades from 7/23 - 7/29/12 and receive $500 discount
from purchase price! Scott Andrews/CJ-6 and Cory Robin/Wilgabeast will be
sporting our blades on the flight line.
EXCLUSIVE M-14P Seminar registration will be opened. This class is limited
to 8 people and 3 slots are already taken. This is a 3-day in-depth course
on the Theory, Operation and Maintenance of the M-14P.
If you would like to meet up, send me a message. I will be at OSH M,T,F,Sat.
There is a 5K Run/Walk at 7 a.m. on the grounds on Saturday. Wondering if
anyone is interested?
See you there! Fly safe and have fun!
Jill
M-14P, Inc.
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| Subject: | QDF-1 AIR START SOLENOID VALVE |
I have found the Yak units to be very voltage sensitive. They become very
marginal below 24 volts and usually will not work at all below 20 volts.
George Coy
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lloyd
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: QDF-1 AIR START SOLENOID VALVE
On Tuesday, July 10, 2012, pnicholson wrote:
<javascript:;> >
Gentlemen,
occasionally, I attempt to start my HS6A and am met with a 'psssst'
and no prop turning. I'll move the prop, but same issue. If I put a battery
charger on, the engine turns over easily. Main air pressure is high and
constant both tries.
Should I just replace the valve or are there possibly larger problems
afoot.
Byron pointed you in the right direction. Look at the voltmeter when you are
starting. If it is at 24v (it should be) and you have the problem , you are
looking at either a bad start valve or bad connections to the start valve.
If the voltage is below 24 volts then either your a
Battery is bad or the battery is not charging properly. Make sure you have
28v when the generator comes on-line.
--
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
brian@lloyd.com
+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
+1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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| Subject: | Re: QDF-1 AIR START SOLENOID VALVE |
Completely agree with George. Even at 22 volts, many of the air start
solenoids struggle.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 7/11/2012 10:27 AM, George Coy wrote:
>
> I have found the Yak units to be very voltage sensitive. They become
> very marginal below 24 volts and usually will not work at all below 20
> volts.
>
> George Coy
>
> *From:*owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Brian Lloyd
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 10, 2012 7:46 PM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: QDF-1 AIR START SOLENOID VALVE
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 10, 2012, pnicholson wrote:
>
> <javascript:;>>
>
> Gentlemen,
> occasionally, I attempt to start my HS6A and am met with a
> 'psssst' and no prop turning. I'll move the prop, but same issue. If
> I put a battery charger on, the engine turns over easily. Main air
> pressure is high and constant both tries.
> Should I just replace the valve or are there possibly larger
> problems afoot.
>
> Byron pointed you in the right direction. Look at the voltmeter when
> you are starting. If it is at 24v (it should be) and you have the
> problem , you are looking at either a bad start valve or bad
> connections to the start valve. If the voltage is below 24 volts then
> either your a
>
> Battery is bad or the battery is not charging properly. Make sure you
> have 28v when the generator comes on-line.
>
>
> --
> Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
> 3191 Western Dr.
> Cameron Park, CA 95682
> brian@lloyd.com <mailto:brian@lloyd.com>
> +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
> +1.916.877.5067 (USA)
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Jill: sign me up for the seminar...
Sent from my iPad
On Jul 11, 2012, at 10:26 AM, "Jill Gernetzke" <jill@m-14p.com> wrote:
> Group,
>
> M-14P, Inc. will be at Oshkosh:
>
> Meet & Greet at the S.O.S. Bros. Beer Tent (Look skyward for the big tethe
red yellow balloon and follow to the other end it is tethered to =93 t
he beer tent). I will be there Mon, Tues, Sat from 5 =93 7 pm and wea
ring bright LIME green hat. Stop in and say "hi", drink a cold beer and talk
some "shop"! I always like to put a face with a voice. I have talked with s
ome customers for 20+ years and never met them.
>
> Other happenings:
> M-14P, Inc. will be having a drawing on Saturday at the beer tent. Some co
ol prizes and entry is FREE when you say this phrase, "Show me the M-14P, In
c. Love"! : )
>
> V-530C Prop Blades OSHKOSH SPECIAL! Place your order for a set of new carb
on-fibre V-530C blades from 7/23 - 7/29/12 and receive $500 discount from pu
rchase price! Scott Andrews/CJ-6 and Cory Robin/Wilgabeast will be sporting o
ur blades on the flight line.
>
> EXCLUSIVE M-14P Seminar registration will be opened. This class is limited
to 8 people and 3 slots are already taken. This is a 3-day in-depth course o
n the Theory, Operation and Maintenance of the M-14P.
>
> If you would like to meet up, send me a message. I will be at OSH M,T,F,Sa
t.
>
> There is a 5K Run/Walk at 7 a.m. on the grounds on Saturday. Wondering if a
nyone is interested?
>
> See you there! Fly safe and have fun!
>
> Jill
> M-14P, Inc.
>
>
>
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| Subject: | QDF-1 AIR START SOLENOID VALVE |
As everyone else has already pointed out, there are probably "larger
problems afoot".
Lots of folks replace original Russian or Chinese batteries with a pair
of 12 volt Gel Cells. But after doing so, they rarely check the
condition of those batteries until something ugly happens.
My personal recommendation is that everyone check their batteries with
some kind of load test every Conditional Inspection as a minimum. This
can be something so simple as a 28 volt landing light with two big
alligator clips on it.
You connect a good meter to the battery.. digital volt-meter, what-ever.
Read the voltage. It should be 24 volts DC or even as high as 25.5
volts or so. Do not go out and put a battery charger on your batteries
before you do this test, unless you constantly keep a Battery-Minder on
it anyway. Hook up your landing light to the two batteries at the 24
VDC output. A 250 watt landing light bulb will draw roughly 10 amps.
Leave that light connected and burning bright for about 2-5 minutes.
Watch that digital meter while you are doing this. If after 2-3 minutes
your voltage is down to 18 VDC or less, then your batteries are trashed,
get new ones. Don't replace just one, replace them as a pair.
Lastly, if by some accident, you run your batteries all the way down to
"nothing" (leave the Master Switch on, etc), do NOT "jump start the
airplane", or some other "let's just go flying" excuse. If you take
this kind of short-cut, you stand a good chance of burning something up.
Especially with CJ's equipped with the solid state voltage regulator.
When you do this, the batteries will draw a large amount of current, the
gell cells are not designed for high current rapid charging. You will
damage the batteries, possibly blow some fuses, and also possibly blow
your voltage regulator. This is not conjecture. It's already happened.
Instead use a limited current charger to bring them back, realizing that
even then the batteries are probably not going to work as well as before
you did this move.
This is not a correction to anything anyone else said. All of those
recommendations were valid and spot on.
This is just an addendum with a tad more detail.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pnicholson
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:58 PM
Subject: Yak-List: QDF-1 AIR START SOLENOID VALVE
Gentlemen,
occasionally, I attempt to start my HS6A and am met with a
'psssst' and no prop turning. I'll move the prop, but same issue. If I
put a battery charger on, the engine turns over easily. Main air
pressure is high and constant both tries.
Should I just replace the valve or are there possibly larger
problems afoot.
Thanks,
Phil Nicholson
C-FEPN
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377949#377949
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Hey Jill, any news on that quote for an engine?
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jill Gernetzke
Sent: 11 July 2012 05:27 PM
Subject: Yak-List: OSH Bound
Group,
M-14P, Inc. will be at Oshkosh:
Meet & Greet at the S.O.S. Bros. Beer Tent (Look skyward for the big
tethered yellow balloon and follow to the other end it is tethered to - the
beer tent). I will be there Mon, Tues, Sat from 5 - 7 pm and wearing bright
LIME green hat. Stop in and say "hi", drink a cold beer and talk some
"shop"! I always like to put a face with a voice. I have talked with some
customers for 20+ years and never met them.
Other happenings:
M-14P, Inc. will be having a drawing on Saturday at the beer tent. Some cool
prizes and entry is FREE when you say this phrase, "Show me the M-14P, Inc.
Love"! : )
V-530C Prop Blades OSHKOSH SPECIAL! Place your order for a set of new
carbon-fibre V-530C blades from 7/23 - 7/29/12 and receive $500 discount
from purchase price! Scott Andrews/CJ-6 and Cory Robin/Wilgabeast will be
sporting our blades on the flight line.
EXCLUSIVE M-14P Seminar registration will be opened. This class is limited
to 8 people and 3 slots are already taken. This is a 3-day in-depth course
on the Theory, Operation and Maintenance of the M-14P.
If you would like to meet up, send me a message. I will be at OSH M,T,F,Sat.
There is a 5K Run/Walk at 7 a.m. on the grounds on Saturday. Wondering if
anyone is interested?
See you there! Fly safe and have fun!
Jill
M-14P, Inc.
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| Subject: | Arlington Fly-in? |
Is anyway planning on attending the Arlington EAA fly-in in Washington this week?
Larry Pine
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| Subject: | Re: QDF-1 AIR START SOLENOID VALVE |
Thanks Mark!
Jan
On 11/07/12 18:23, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
>MALS-14 64E" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
>As everyone else has already pointed out, there are probably "larger
>problems afoot".
>
>Lots of folks replace original Russian or Chinese batteries with a pair
>of 12 volt Gel Cells. But after doing so, they rarely check the
>condition of those batteries until something ugly happens.
>
>My personal recommendation is that everyone check their batteries with
>some kind of load test every Conditional Inspection as a minimum. This
>can be something so simple as a 28 volt landing light with two big
>alligator clips on it.
>
>You connect a good meter to the battery.. digital volt-meter, what-ever.
>Read the voltage. It should be 24 volts DC or even as high as 25.5
>volts or so. Do not go out and put a battery charger on your batteries
>before you do this test, unless you constantly keep a Battery-Minder on
>it anyway. Hook up your landing light to the two batteries at the 24
>VDC output. A 250 watt landing light bulb will draw roughly 10 amps.
>Leave that light connected and burning bright for about 2-5 minutes.
>Watch that digital meter while you are doing this. If after 2-3 minutes
>your voltage is down to 18 VDC or less, then your batteries are trashed,
>get new ones. Don't replace just one, replace them as a pair.
>
>Lastly, if by some accident, you run your batteries all the way down to
>"nothing" (leave the Master Switch on, etc), do NOT "jump start the
>airplane", or some other "let's just go flying" excuse. If you take
>this kind of short-cut, you stand a good chance of burning something up.
>Especially with CJ's equipped with the solid state voltage regulator.
>
>When you do this, the batteries will draw a large amount of current, the
>gell cells are not designed for high current rapid charging. You will
>damage the batteries, possibly blow some fuses, and also possibly blow
>your voltage regulator. This is not conjecture. It's already happened.
>Instead use a limited current charger to bring them back, realizing that
>even then the batteries are probably not going to work as well as before
>you did this move.
>
>This is not a correction to anything anyone else said. All of those
>recommendations were valid and spot on.
>
>This is just an addendum with a tad more detail.
>
>Mark
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pnicholson
>Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2012 6:58 PM
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Yak-List: QDF-1 AIR START SOLENOID VALVE
>
>
>Gentlemen,
> occasionally, I attempt to start my HS6A and am met with a
>'psssst' and no prop turning. I'll move the prop, but same issue. If I
>put a battery charger on, the engine turns over easily. Main air
>pressure is high and constant both tries.
> Should I just replace the valve or are there possibly larger
>problems afoot.
>Thanks,
>Phil Nicholson
>C-FEPN
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=377949#377949
>
>
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