---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 07/21/12: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:53 AM - airshow comments (Philip Nicholson) 2. 08:20 AM - Re: airshow comments (Byron Fox) 3. 08:51 AM - Re: airshow comments (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 4. 09:06 AM - Re: airshow comments (Walter Lannon) 5. 09:21 AM - Re: airshow comments (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 6. 09:21 AM - 18T Harness (Anthony Hudacek) 7. 09:57 AM - Re: 18T Harness (Richard Goode) 8. 10:26 AM - Re: airshow comments (Brian Lloyd) 9. 10:33 AM - Re: airshow comments (Mark Davis) 10. 11:54 AM - Re: airshow comments (Bill Geipel) 11. 12:26 PM - Re: airshow comments (Mark Davis) 12. 02:38 PM - Re: airshow comments (Roger Kemp M.D.) 13. 02:47 PM - Re: airshow comments (Richard Hess) 14. 03:42 PM - Re: airshow comments (Bill Geipel) 15. 04:20 PM - Re: airshow comments (Roger Kemp M.D.) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:54 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: airshow comments From: Philip Nicholson I was recently at an air-show; my CJ staged on the grass next to three Harvards that were giving flights etc. I always assumed that any air-show attendee would be enthusiastic about all planes. What amazed me however, where the number of stupid Chinese plane I wouldnt effin fly in that effin plane if you paid me comments. Is this normal or simply the result of where I live :-) Has anyone else experienced remarks like these? Should I hurry up and paint roundels on it before someone blows it up?? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:20:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: airshow comments From: Byron Fox I've never had that reaction to our CJ, Philip, at least not within earshot. People tend to be curious and a bit bemused. We're all aware, however, that we occupy the back row against the fence at OSH. We're at the bottom of the warbird pecking order in the minds of many. That view tends to change when the cost of ownership gets explored. In a free country, folks are entitled to be just as stupid as they choose. Screw 'em! :0) ...Blitz Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2012, at 7:51 AM, Philip Nicholson wrote: > > I was recently at an air-show; my CJ staged on the grass next to three > Harvards that were giving flights etc. > I always assumed that any air-show attendee would be enthusiastic > about all planes. What amazed me however, where the number of stupid > Chinese plane I wouldnt effin fly in that effin plane if you paid > me comments. Is this normal or simply the result of where I live :-) > Has anyone else experienced remarks like these? Should I hurry up and > paint roundels on it before someone blows it up?? > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:26 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: airshow comments From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" I believe that such feelings are universal, as I have heard the same comments from people who owns Yak's and CJ's concerning those that fly Cessna "Spam Cans". Continues with people who fly formation and those that do not. And those that fly aerobatics and those that do not. Pretty much human nature. I'd love to own a T-6, (or Harvard) and have approached owners to ask questions and have sometimes been treated pretty darn poorly. Of course it helps to know I can spank their butt in a dogfight. :-) This even continues to guys I see fly to a big air show in "whatever" and are there only for the free gas, and giving "media rides". Once that is over with, they zoom out in formation rather than stay for the "Static Display" portion. Lots of ego involved and if you stop and think about it, some jealousy too! You're airplane can do just about everything theirs can and much more cheaply. Hence their comments. Thick skin, BIG SMILE, ignore it. Good advice, hard to do...... best of luck. Mark Bitterlich ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Philip Nicholson Sent: Sat 7/21/2012 10:51 AM Subject: Yak-List: airshow comments I was recently at an air-show; my CJ staged on the grass next to three Harvards that were giving flights etc. I always assumed that any air-show attendee would be enthusiastic about all planes. What amazed me however, where the number of "stupid Chinese plane" "I wouldn't effin fly in that effin plane if you paid me" comments. Is this normal or simply the result of where I live :-) Has anyone else experienced remarks like these? Should I hurry up and paint roundels on it before someone blows it up?? ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:12 AM PST US From: "Walter Lannon" Subject: Re: Yak-List: airshow comments Phil; You must be located somewhere in the far East like maybe Ontario, where ignorance is bliss. You need to move to BC where CJ's and Harvards get along just fine. Walt -----Original Message----- From: Philip Nicholson Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:51 AM Subject: Yak-List: airshow comments I was recently at an air-show; my CJ staged on the grass next to three Harvards that were giving flights etc. I always assumed that any air-show attendee would be enthusiastic about all planes. What amazed me however, where the number of stupid Chinese plane I wouldnt effin fly in that effin plane if you paid me comments. Is this normal or simply the result of where I live :-) Has anyone else experienced remarks like these? Should I hurry up and paint roundels on it before someone blows it up?? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:55 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: airshow comments From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Walt, want a new neighbor? :-) Mark ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Walter Lannon Sent: Sat 7/21/2012 12:03 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: airshow comments Phil; You must be located somewhere in the far East like maybe Ontario, where ignorance is bliss. You need to move to BC where CJ's and Harvards get along just fine. Walt -----Original Message----- From: Philip Nicholson Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 7:51 AM Subject: Yak-List: airshow comments I was recently at an air-show; my CJ staged on the grass next to three Harvards that were giving flights etc. I always assumed that any air-show attendee would be enthusiastic about all planes. What amazed me however, where the number of "stupid Chinese plane" "I wouldn't effin fly in that effin plane if you paid me" comments. Is this normal or simply the result of where I live :-) Has anyone else experienced remarks like these? Should I hurry up and paint roundels on it before someone blows it up?? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:55 AM PST US From: Anthony Hudacek Subject: Yak-List: 18T Harness Hi Yakker's,=0A=0AHave any of you used a 5 point harness in the 18T? It loo ks as though the front seat adjust lever would interfere with the crotch st rap. Any suggestions?=0A=0AAnt. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:19 AM PST US From: "Richard Goode" Subject: RE: Yak-List: 18T Harness We have modified Hooker harnesses to fit by using a wire for the crutch strap and dividing it either side of the seat adjuster. Richard Goode Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +94 (0) 81 241 5137 (Sri Lanka) Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com I=99m currently in Sri Lanka but this Mail is working,and my local phone is +94 779 132 160. From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Hudacek Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 9:48 PM Subject: Yak-List: 18T Harness Hi Yakker's, Have any of you used a 5 point harness in the 18T? It looks as though the front seat adjust lever would interfere with the crotch strap. Any suggestions? Ant. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: airshow comments From: Brian Lloyd On Saturday, July 21, 2012, Philip Nicholson wrote: javascript:;> > > > > I was recently at an air-show; my CJ staged on the grass next to three > Harvards that were giving flights etc. > I always assumed that any air-show attendee would be enthusiastic > about all planes. What amazed me however, where the number of =93stupid > Chinese plane=94 =93I wouldn=92t effin fly in that effin plane if you pa id > me=94 comments. Is this normal or simply the result of where I live :-) > Has anyone else experienced remarks like these? Should I hurry up and > paint roundels on it before someone blows it up?? Human nature. We all want to feel superior somehow and doing it by superficialities is simpler than doing it by substance. The people of competence who really matter won't talk that way and you will enjoy their company. Every airplane presents its own unique challenges to fly to its limits, even the lowly C-150. Kudos to the person who recognizes this and steps up to the challenge. "I never met an airplane I didn't like." -- Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL 3191 Western Dr. Cameron Park, CA 95682 brian@lloyd.com +1.767.617.1365 (Dominica) +1.916.877.5067 (USA) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:33:34 AM PST US From: "Mark Davis" Subject: Re: Yak-List: airshow comments Tell the morons we won the Cold War, so we now can use the former bad guys military aircraft as toys. "To the victors........." Mark Davis N44YK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Nicholson" Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 8:51 AM Subject: Yak-List: airshow comments > > I was recently at an air-show; my CJ staged on the grass next to three > Harvards that were giving flights etc. > I always assumed that any air-show attendee would be enthusiastic > about all planes. What amazed me however, where the number of stupid > Chinese plane I wouldnt effin fly in that effin plane if you paid > me comments. Is this normal or simply the result of where I live :-) > Has anyone else experienced remarks like these? Should I hurry up and > paint roundels on it before someone blows it up?? > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:43 AM PST US From: Bill Geipel Subject: Re: Yak-List: airshow comments Peepee envy Bill On Jul 21, 2012, at 12:31 PM, "Mark Davis" wrote: > > Tell the morons we won the Cold War, so we now can use the former bad guys military aircraft as toys. "To the victors........." > > Mark Davis > N44YK > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Nicholson" > To: "Yak-List" > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 8:51 AM > Subject: Yak-List: airshow comments > > >> >> I was recently at an air-show; my CJ staged on the grass next to three >> Harvards that were giving flights etc. >> I always assumed that any air-show attendee would be enthusiastic >> about all planes. What amazed me however, where the number of stupid >> Chinese plane I wouldnt effin fly in that effin plane if you paid >> me comments. Is this normal or simply the result of where I live :-) >> Has anyone else experienced remarks like these? Should I hurry up and >> paint roundels on it before someone blows it up?? >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:01 PM PST US From: "Mark Davis" Subject: RE: Yak-List: airshow comments Very Freudian observation Dawg. Didn't sleep through your psych classes like me? Mark Davis N44YK -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:52 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: airshow comments Peepee envy Bill On Jul 21, 2012, at 12:31 PM, "Mark Davis" wrote: > > Tell the morons we won the Cold War, so we now can use the former bad guys military aircraft as toys. "To the victors........." > > Mark Davis > N44YK > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Nicholson" > > To: "Yak-List" > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 8:51 AM > Subject: Yak-List: airshow comments > > >> --> >> >> I was recently at an air-show; my CJ staged on the grass next to >> three Harvards that were giving flights etc. >> I always assumed that any air-show attendee would be enthusiastic >> about all planes. What amazed me however, where the number of stupid >> Chinese plane I wouldnt effin fly in that effin plane if you paid >> me comments. Is this normal or simply the result of where I live >> :-) Has anyone else experienced remarks like these? Should I hurry >> up and paint roundels on it before someone blows it up?? >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: airshow comments From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Prop your feet up on their bar. Fondle their ladies and tell them we won the WAR so that's why you're playing with their toys! If they can't fathom that tell 'em... ESAD! Doc Sent from my iPad On Jul 21, 2012, at 2:23 PM, "Mark Davis" wrote: > > Very Freudian observation Dawg. Didn't sleep through your psych classes like me? > > Mark Davis > N44YK > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel > Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 12:52 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: airshow comments > > > Peepee envy > > Bill > > > > On Jul 21, 2012, at 12:31 PM, "Mark Davis" wrote: > >> >> Tell the morons we won the Cold War, so we now can use the former bad guys military aircraft as toys. "To the victors........." >> >> Mark Davis >> N44YK >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip Nicholson" >> >> To: "Yak-List" >> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2012 8:51 AM >> Subject: Yak-List: airshow comments >> >> >>> --> >>> >>> I was recently at an air-show; my CJ staged on the grass next to >>> three Harvards that were giving flights etc. >>> I always assumed that any air-show attendee would be enthusiastic >>> about all planes. What amazed me however, where the number of stupid >>> Chinese plane I wouldnt effin fly in that effin plane if you paid >>> me comments. Is this normal or simply the result of where I live >>> :-) Has anyone else experienced remarks like these? Should I hurry >>> up and paint roundels on it before someone blows it up?? >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:47:41 PM PST US From: Richard Hess Subject: Re: Yak-List: airshow comments Never had that although rest of Warbirds community used to act like we were 3rd class citizens. Rich Hess Sent from my iPhone On Jul 21, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Philip Nicholson wrote: > > I was recently at an air-show; my CJ staged on the grass next to three > Harvards that were giving flights etc. > I always assumed that any air-show attendee would be enthusiastic > about all planes. What amazed me however, where the number of stupid > Chinese plane I wouldnt effin fly in that effin plane if you paid > me comments. Is this normal or simply the result of where I live :-) > Has anyone else experienced remarks like these? Should I hurry up and > paint roundels on it before someone blows it up?? > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: airshow comments From: Bill Geipel We out number the warbirds. Let's just take over Bill On Jul 21, 2012, at 4:39 PM, Richard Hess wrote: > > Never had that although rest of Warbirds community used to act like we were 3rd class citizens. > > Rich Hess > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 21, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Philip Nicholson wrote: > >> >> I was recently at an air-show; my CJ staged on the grass next to three >> Harvards that were giving flights etc. >> I always assumed that any air-show attendee would be enthusiastic >> about all planes. What amazed me however, where the number of stupid >> Chinese plane I wouldnt effin fly in that effin plane if you paid >> me comments. Is this normal or simply the result of where I live :-) >> Has anyone else experienced remarks like these? Should I hurry up and >> paint roundels on it before someone blows it up?? >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:52 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: airshow comments From: "Roger Kemp M.D." I'm with you Brian. Some are just But Uglier than others! Doc Sent from my iPad On Jul 21, 2012, at 12:23 PM, Brian Lloyd > > "I never met an airplane I didn't like." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.