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1. 10:18 PM - Re: European registration/certification (Etienne Verhellen)
2. 10:37 PM - Re: European registration/certification (Etienne Verhellen)
3. 11:37 PM - Re: Re: European registration/certification (Richard Goode)
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WARNING : If you are flying Yaks in the USA, South Africa, Australia ... etc
i.e. outside Europe, you are lucky, DO NOT bother reading
this. YOU ARE NOT CONCERNED. Don't waste your time. Go
flying. :-))
Hi Richard,
Have been contacted by 2 pilots from Luxembourg.
They are looking to buy a "Russian registered" Yak-52 in France.
They intend to base their Yak-52 in France or Luxembourg.
My suggestion to them was : DO NOT buy a Yak-52 registered RA-xxxxK
if you intend to base your aircraft in France. (They called me asking me a
lot of questions and my advise to them ...)
Not sure if you have talked to them but THEY SAID that according to YOU
there is absolutely no problem with "Russian Registration" in France !
And indeed that is what you write on your website :
http://www.russianaeros.com/
under "Click here for the latest on Registration" :
----------------------------------------------
Russian registrations :
____________________
Many of these aircraft still flying in different parts of the world, but principally
Europe, have Russian registrations issued by FLA in Moscow. Some countries,
for example UK and Italy, have decided not to accept them on the basis that
they SEEM to give Normal Category Certificates of Airworthiness to non-certificated
aircraft, but the French DGAC, for example, say that ANY Russian light
aircraft which is based in France MUST be registered with FLA. Also most other
European countries seem to accept FLA registration without problems. Also
most other European countries seem to accept FLA registration without problems.
_____________________________________________________________
So you write that the French CAA (DGAC) say that ANY Russian light aircraft which
is based in France MUST be registered with FLA and that most other European
countries seem to accept FLA registration without problems.
That is absolutely NOT CORRECT and as a highly respected seller of Russian aircraft,
you should update your website.
Here is what the French CAA says (in French !) :
https://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/dossier/aicfrancea/AIC_A_2012_08_FR.pdf
And most European DO NOT recognise paperwork (Certificate of Airworthiness, Registration
Certificate, Pilot Licences (!) isuued by FLA.
http://www.yakuk.com/UKreg.asp
http://www.pilotundflugzeug.de/img/red/yak/GroundingRussianDirective.pdf
http://www.yakuk.com/GroundingRussianDirective.doc
http://www.pilotundflugzeug.de/img/red/yak/SchreibenFAAR.pdf
In fact the Russian Aviation Authorities have confirmed that FLA (a Flying Club)
have absolutely never received any legal authority to issue official Airworthiness
documents and Registration certificate and Registration marks, not to mention
Russian Pilot Licences !!
Please update your website accordingly as soon as possible Richard.
The 2 pilots from Luxembourg were not really convinced when I told them
on the phone they would probably endup with an aircraft they could not legally
fly in Europe IF they bought the Russian registered Yak-52 they were looking at
...
When I suggested it would probably be better to by a Yak-52 registered in the UK
and maintained under the very strict requirements of the UK CAA with all Life
items inspections complied with (including those coming from the aircraft manufacturer
itself, the Yakovlev Design Bureau)
http://www.yakuk.com/MPD1998-017R5.pdf
http://www.yakuk.com/MPD2002-009R1.pdf
they said I was only saying that because I was probably receiving a sales commission
from you (!) or Yak UK (!!) when selling a UK CAA registered Yak ... !!!
[Exclamation]
Anyway, here is a nice Yak-52 for sale for flying in Europe :
Yak 52. G-YFUT 60,000
http://www.abpic.co.uk/popup.php?q=1300193
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/57851/g-yfut-private-bacau-yak-52/
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detailnosummary&fullregmark=YFUT
http://www.afors.com/index.php?page=adview&adid=22760&imid=0
http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/aircraft+eqpt-for-sale.htm
Best Wishes, Etienne & Co.
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http://persoon.yasni.be/etienne+verhellen+1315762
http://flightplanet.com/other_advert_det.php?id=146
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380939#380939
Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: European registration/certification |
Richard,
I know you read French :
https://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/dossier/aicfrancea/AIC_A_2012_08_FR.pdf
But ... have just found the AIC from the French CAA (DGAC) regarding
"Russian aircraft registered as RA-xxxxK with an airworthiness certificate delivered
by the FLA" in English :
https://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/dossier/aicfrancea/AIC_A_2012_08_EN.pdf
(Again, don't bother with all this unless you are flying Yaks in EUROPE.)
And it says :
https://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/dossier/aicfrancea/AIC_A_2012_08_EN.pdf
"Aircraft registered as RA-xxxxK and with an airworthiness certificate delivered
by the Russian Federation FLA are not allowed to fly over
the French Republic territory if they have not received a special authorization
from the DGAC".
Note Russian registered Yaks were grounded in the past following fatal accidents
in France.
http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2008/ra-k080504/pdf/ra-k080504.pdf
http://www.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/b2010_010-2.pdf
http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2011/ra-k110424/pdf/ra-k110424.pdf
Please update your website regarding Russian Registration Richard.
http://www.russianaeros.com/index.html
http://www.russianaeros.com/Registration%20issue.htm
Maybe one day some common standards in Europe ... don't hold your breath [Exclamation]
http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issues_original_363.pdf
http://www.emagazine.flightinternational.com/1Z4dd63f96463e4012.cde/page/downloadPDF.php?id=14895&pages=497523
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380940#380940
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| Subject: | Re: European registration/certification |
Thanks for pointing it out. We try to keep the website up-to-date, but do
not always succeed!
Regards
Richard
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
United Kingdom
Tel: +94 (0) 81 241 5137 (Sri Lanka)
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
Im currently in Sri Lanka but this Mail is working,and my local phone is
+94 779 132 160.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Etienne Verhellen
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 10:46 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification
WARNING : If you are flying Yaks in the USA, South Africa, Australia ... etc
i.e. outside Europe, you are lucky, DO NOT bother reading
this. YOU ARE NOT CONCERNED. Don't waste your time. Go
flying. :-))
Hi Richard,
Have been contacted by 2 pilots from Luxembourg.
They are looking to buy a "Russian registered" Yak-52 in France.
They intend to base their Yak-52 in France or Luxembourg.
My suggestion to them was : DO NOT buy a Yak-52 registered RA-xxxxK if you
intend to base your aircraft in France. (They called me asking me a lot of
questions and my advise to them ...)
Not sure if you have talked to them but THEY SAID that according to YOU
there is absolutely no problem with "Russian Registration" in France !
And indeed that is what you write on your website :
http://www.russianaeros.com/
under "Click here for the latest on Registration" :
----------------------------------------------
Russian registrations :
____________________
Many of these aircraft still flying in different parts of the world, but
principally Europe, have Russian registrations issued by FLA in Moscow.
Some countries, for example UK and Italy, have decided not to accept them on
the basis that they SEEM to give Normal Category Certificates of
Airworthiness to non-certificated aircraft, but the French DGAC, for
example, say that ANY Russian light aircraft which is based in France MUST
be registered with FLA. Also most other European countries seem to accept
FLA registration without problems. Also most other European countries seem
to accept FLA registration without problems.
_____________________________________________________________
So you write that the French CAA (DGAC) say that ANY Russian light aircraft
which is based in France MUST be registered with FLA and that most other
European countries seem to accept FLA registration without problems.
That is absolutely NOT CORRECT and as a highly respected seller of Russian
aircraft, you should update your website.
Here is what the French CAA says (in French !) :
https://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/dossier/aicfrancea/AIC_A_2012_08_FR.
pdf
And most European DO NOT recognise paperwork (Certificate of Airworthiness,
Registration Certificate, Pilot Licences (!) isuued by FLA.
http://www.yakuk.com/UKreg.asp
http://www.pilotundflugzeug.de/img/red/yak/GroundingRussianDirective.pdf
http://www.yakuk.com/GroundingRussianDirective.doc
http://www.pilotundflugzeug.de/img/red/yak/SchreibenFAAR.pdf
In fact the Russian Aviation Authorities have confirmed that FLA (a Flying
Club) have absolutely never received any legal authority to issue official
Airworthiness documents and Registration certificate and Registration marks,
not to mention Russian Pilot Licences !!
Please update your website accordingly as soon as possible Richard.
The 2 pilots from Luxembourg were not really convinced when I told them on
the phone they would probably endup with an aircraft they could not legally
fly in Europe IF they bought the Russian registered Yak-52 they were looking
at ...
When I suggested it would probably be better to by a Yak-52 registered in
the UK and maintained under the very strict requirements of the UK CAA with
all Life items inspections complied with (including those coming from the
aircraft manufacturer itself, the Yakovlev Design Bureau)
http://www.yakuk.com/MPD1998-017R5.pdf
http://www.yakuk.com/MPD2002-009R1.pdf
they said I was only saying that because I was probably receiving a sales
commission from you (!) or Yak UK (!!) when selling a UK CAA registered Yak
... !!! [Exclamation]
Anyway, here is a nice Yak-52 for sale for flying in Europe :
Yak 52. G-YFUT 60,000
http://www.abpic.co.uk/popup.php?q=1300193
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/57851/g-yfut-private-bacau-yak-52/
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=deta
ilnosummary&fullregmark=YFUT
http://www.afors.com/index.php?page=adview&adid=22760&imid=0
http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/aircraft+eqpt-for-sale.htm
Best Wishes, Etienne & Co.
--------
http://persoon.yasni.be/etienne+verhellen+1315762
http://flightplanet.com/other_advert_det.php?id=146
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380939#380939
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/common_standards_to_maintain_and_operate_
yak_52s_in_europe_192.pdf
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