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1. 07:32 AM - Re: FAA Warbird Paperwork (Randy)
2. 07:47 AM - Re: FAA Warbird Paperwork (Robin Hou)
3. 08:49 AM - Re: FAA Warbird Paperwork (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E)
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| Subject: | FAA Warbird Paperwork |
Note!: in the annual letter you can put every event there is in the US or
just the ones you think you may go to. If you don't go, no worries. A FSDO
guy recommended the 5 days either side just to CYA.
Here is a format for the annual letter and add on letter I use..
Name of Pilot
Nanchang CJ6-A, N (Number here), S/N: (serial number here)
Washington Flight Standards District Office
44965 Aviation Drive, Suite 112
Dulles, VA 20166-7524
Phone: 703.661.8160 X 245
Fax: 703.661.8744
Attention: Ramon Smeltz
Schedule of Events for Year 2012
Date Location Event
July 23-29 Oshkosh, WI EAA
AirVenture
Sept 21-24 Sanford, Maine RPA Formation
Clinic
The above dates do not include travel time of approximately 5 days to and
approximately 5 days from the events depending on weather. All other
required proficiency flying will be completed within the 300nm radius of
Warrenton-Fauquier Airport during the year.
Regards,
(Signature )
Name of Pilot
Name of Pilot
Nanchang CJ6-A, N (Number here), S/N: (serial number here)
Aug 24, 2012
Washington Flight Standards District Office
44965 Aviation Drive, Suite 112
Dulles, VA 20166-7524
Phone: 703.661.8160 X 245
Fax: 703.661.8744
Attention: Ramon Smeltz
From: Name of Pilot
(phone Number)
Additional Exhibition Events for Nanchang CJ6A N(N number here)
Add On Events for Year 2012
Date Location Event
Aug 25th-28th, 2012 Montreal, Canada Formation Acro
The above dates do not include travel time of approximately 5 days to and
approximately 5 days from the events depending on weather. All other
required proficiency flying will be completed within the 300nm radius of
Warrenton-Fauquier Airport during the year.
Regards,
(name of pilot)
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Thomas McKeon
Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 12:08 AM
Subject: Yak-List: FAA Warbird Paperwork
I just recently bought a CJ-6 and I am trying to make sure I am in
compliance with the FAA. Through some reading I found that I am supposed to
submit (to the local FSDO) a Program Letter indicating any events or air
shows I may be attending for the year. Does anyone have a generic copy of
such a letter that I can borrow? I could not find one. Also, in the order
I was reading (FAA Order 8130.2G) it mentioned that with an experimental
airworthiness certificate I may need to provide a copy of an FAA approved
inspection program if required. How do I find out if I am required or not?
If I am required do you happen to know where I can get a template for a CJ-6
inspeciton program?
Thanks,
Tom
PS. Thanks to everyone for the advise on my air leak. I'm going to tackle
that problem this weekend, I'll let you know how it goes.
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| Subject: | Re: FAA Warbird Paperwork |
Hi Tom,
Email me off list and I will send you a copy of my program letter on Monday from
my office.
Re FAA Order 8130.2G, please note that FAA issued a Deviation to Order which may
or may not matter to you. In my case, my local FISDO (LAX) told me I was not
to operate my CJ until a new OL is issued. That means weeks if not months of
down time plus thousands to pay a DAR. I called EAA and was provided a copy of
the Deviation to Order which took away local FISDO' s power to demand new OL
when change ownership or homebase.
Robin
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On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:07 PM PDT Thomas McKeon wrote:
>
>I just recently bought a CJ-6 and I am trying to make sure I am in compliance
with the FAA. Through some reading I found that I am supposed to submit (to the
local FSDO) a Program Letter indicating any events or air shows I may be attending
for the year. Does anyone have a generic copy of such a letter that I
can borrow? I could not find one. Also, in the order I was reading (FAA Order
8130.2G) it mentioned that with an experimental airworthiness certificate I
may need to provide a copy of an FAA approved inspection program if required.
How do I find out if I am required or not? If I am required do you happen to
know where I can get a template for a CJ-6 inspeciton program?
>
>Thanks,
>Tom
>
>
>PS. Thanks to everyone for the advise on my air leak. I'm going to tackle that
problem this weekend, I'll let you know how it goes.
>
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| Subject: | FAA Warbird Paperwork |
Robin, really good point.
Tom, it is also worth knowing that while the local FSDO can re-write the Operating
Limitations to bring the verbiage into the proper format in accordance with
8130.2G, they can not ADD more limitations to the ones that are already listed
from the previous owner.
In addition, you can also request the removal of the 300 NM operating limitation
when you go through this process. In order to do that, you will need to present
letters to the FAA that details the FAA's own orders pertaining to this request
on your part. Someone might have them handy on this list, or you might
try the archives, but the EAA is a TERRIFIC source of info and they are more
than willing to help. I really have developed a tremendous respect for the EAA.
No matter what aircraft I end up owning, or for that fact .. none at all ... I
will always be a member of the EAA and for that matter, we probably all should
be!
On the matter of Program Letters: I would not advise listing every airshow in
the country. Depending on the FSDO, they can get rather "irked" at folks who
do that. Instead just pick ones that you realistically would like to attend.....
somewhere around 3-6 seems to be about right. The 5 day travel leeway suggestion
was also a good idea!
In addition, I always add words to the effect of: "And any additional events that
may come up which will be detailed in an amendment letter sent to your office".
In effect, you do not have to ask permission to go anywhere, but you DO
have to advise the FAA when you do, by use of an Amendment Letter that you simply
fax to their office and keep a copy on file for yourself. Of course if
you get the 300 NM Operating Limitation removed, it becomes an interesting discussion
of exactly when an Amendment Letter would be needed. My thought would
be only when going to an actual airshow or event.
Mark Bitterlich
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Robin Hou
Sent: Sat 9/8/2012 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: FAA Warbird Paperwork
Hi Tom,
Email me off list and I will send you a copy of my program letter on Monday from
my office.
Re FAA Order 8130.2G, please note that FAA issued a Deviation to Order which may
or may not matter to you. In my case, my local FISDO (LAX) told me I was not
to operate my CJ until a new OL is issued. That means weeks if not months of
down time plus thousands to pay a DAR. I called EAA and was provided a copy of
the Deviation to Order which took away local FISDO' s power to demand new OL
when change ownership or homebase.
Robin
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On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:07 PM PDT Thomas McKeon wrote:
>
>I just recently bought a CJ-6 and I am trying to make sure I am in compliance
with the FAA. Through some reading I found that I am supposed to submit (to the
local FSDO) a Program Letter indicating any events or air shows I may be attending
for the year. Does anyone have a generic copy of such a letter that I
can borrow? I could not find one. Also, in the order I was reading (FAA Order
8130.2G) it mentioned that with an experimental airworthiness certificate I
may need to provide a copy of an FAA approved inspection program if required.
How do I find out if I am required or not? If I am required do you happen to
know where I can get a template for a CJ-6 inspeciton program?
>
>Thanks,
>Tom
>
>
>PS. Thanks to everyone for the advise on my air leak. I'm going to tackle that
problem this weekend, I'll let you know how it goes.
>
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