---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/27/12: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:50 AM - Help needed with smoking aircraft system (Jacquescj6) 2. 06:53 AM - Auto Response (A. Dennis Savarese) 3. 10:59 AM - Re: Operating Limitations - Again (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 4. 11:41 AM - Re: Re: Yak-52 Accident report / RA-3585K / 28 April 2011 - UK. (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E) 5. 12:21 PM - Re: Yak-52 Accident report / RA-3585K / 28 April 2011 - UK. (Etienne Verhellen) 6. 01:42 PM - Re: Operating Limitations - Again (Bill Geipel) 7. 05:51 PM - Re: Help needed with smoking aircraft system (Nick Pilbrow) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:30 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Help needed with smoking aircraft system From: "Jacquescj6" Hi I am looking for an installation manual for a as100 smoke system I kind of lost mine any one got one lying around.? [Embarassed] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384078#384078 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:20 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Yak-List: Auto Response I am away from my computer today, Thursday, 27 September and unable to access emails. I will return to my office tomorrow, Friday, 28 September and will respond to all emails at that time. Thank you for your understanding and patience. Dennis ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:31 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Operating Limitations - Again From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Has this person spoken with the EAA Govt. Rep about this issue? Randy Hanson in particular? If not, he should. If he does not want to for some reason, hire a lawyer and pay for the same service. Mark Bitterlich ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of hess737@aol.com Sent: Wed 9/26/2012 8:35 AM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Operating Limitations - Again Med, That makes no sense. Under the original FAA Order 8130.2F, he is required to notify the geographically responsible FSDO of the change in ownership and location, and provide them with a copy of the FAA approved maintenance program if one exists as it does for jets. HIs ops limitations are on file in DC. His AW cert does not expire. It, and the AW cert, go with the aircraft. He only has to notify them of the change in location and ownership. However, his FSDO may be using the N number change as an excuse to reissue ops imits. Of course he will get the new ones from FAA Order 8130.2G. For Yaks and CJs that should be quite good. There are more groups but honestly, te jets are the ones the FAA is trying to stymie. Tell him to look up those two FAA Orders and thoroughly read chapter 10. Then he can make an appointment with his FSDO and perhaps push things along. Hope this helps. Feel free to call my Dir of Mx at IJ Shane Phillips 256-442-8099 if your friend has any questions or wants to hire someone to handle the situation. Mongoose -----Original Message----- From: Ahmed M. Ragheb Sent: Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:23 am Subject: Yak-List: Operating Limitations - Again Group, Please let me know what you think and any suggested solutions. My friend is still trying to get his Operation Limitations amended for change of ownership and tail number for over 6 weeks now . After a slow and unsuccessful attempt to get the Atlanta FSDO to do it, he checked with a DAR who told him that he should put the airctraft back in Phase 1 and start all over. Does this sound right to anyone and what do you think should or could be done? Med et=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:23 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52 Accident report / RA-3585K / 28 April 2011 - UK. From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" Works both ways Etienne. Take care. Mark ________________________________ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Etienne Verhellen Sent: Wed 9/26/2012 11:49 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52 Accident report / RA-3585K / 28 April 2011 - UK. > I have not read this yet Etienne, but if you don't want something discussed, then I would suggest that you not post it on a discussion list. > > Mark BITTERlich Come on ... Mark "BITTER" ... GIVE US A BREAK ! As I wrote : > Just read it FOR YOUR OWN BENEFIT. > VALUABLE LEARNING POINTS FOR US ALL. http://www.aaib.gov.uk/publications/bulletins/september_2012/yak_52__ra_3585k.cfm http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/Yak-52%20RA-3585K%2009-12.pdf Absolutely no need to discuss this one with you Mark unless you notice something the AAIB investigators have missed and in that case I would suggest you get directly in touch with them. http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issues_original_363.pdf http://www.emagazine.flightinternational.com/1Z4dd63f96463e4012.cde/page/downloadPDF.php?id=14895&pages=497523 Cheers, Etienne. -------- http://persoon.yasni.be/etienne+verhellen+1315762 http://flightplanet.com/other_advert_det.php?id=146 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384028#384028 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:45 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak-52 Accident report / RA-3585K / 28 April 2011 - UK. From: "Etienne Verhellen" Thanks Mark. Have a good afternoon. Cheers, Etienne. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384093#384093 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:42:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Operating Limitations - Again From: Bill Geipel I already told you how to fix this. Which part didn't you understand? I have certified and re-certified almost 50 of these import warbirds. The FAA FSDO does not want to be preached to by Washington and they are paranoid about signing anything. As I said, it's nice to be friends with the FSDO, however they are not here to be your best friend. Know the rules and walk in and tell them what you want. You have to deal with the manager of the FSDO. Or just keep asking for more input from this group until you get an answer you like. Bill On Sep 27, 2012, at 11:55 AM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV Det Cherry Point, MALS-14 64E" wrote: > > Has this person spoken with the EAA Govt. Rep about this issue? Randy Hanson in particular? > > If not, he should. If he does not want to for some reason, hire a lawyer and pay for the same service. > > Mark Bitterlich > > > ________________________________ > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of hess737@aol.com > Sent: Wed 9/26/2012 8:35 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Operating Limitations - Again > > > Med, > That makes no sense. Under the original FAA Order 8130.2F, he is required to notify the geographically responsible FSDO of the change in ownership and location, and provide them with a copy of the FAA approved maintenance program if one exists as it does for jets. > > HIs ops limitations are on file in DC. His AW cert does not expire. It, and the AW cert, go with the aircraft. He only has to notify them of the change in location and ownership. However, his FSDO may be using the N number change as an excuse to reissue ops imits. Of course he will get the new ones from FAA Order 8130.2G. For Yaks and CJs that should be quite good. There are more groups but honestly, te jets are the ones the FAA is trying to stymie. > > Tell him to look up those two FAA Orders and thoroughly read chapter 10. Then he can make an appointment with his FSDO and perhaps push things along. > > Hope this helps. Feel free to call my Dir of Mx at IJ Shane Phillips 256-442-8099 if your friend has any questions or wants to hire someone to handle the situation. > > Mongoose > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ahmed M. Ragheb > To: yak-list > Sent: Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:23 am > Subject: Yak-List: Operating Limitations - Again > > > > Group, > Please let me know what you think and any suggested solutions. > My friend is still trying to get his Operation Limitations amended for change of > ownership and tail number for over 6 weeks now . After a slow and unsuccessful > attempt to get the Atlanta FSDO to do it, he checked with a DAR who told him > that he should put the airctraft back in Phase 1 and start all over. Does this > sound right to anyone and what do you think should or could be done? > > Med > > > > et=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:51:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Help needed with smoking aircraft system From: Nick Pilbrow We lost ours as well, we emailed smoking airplanes and they emailed one straight away they where very good to deal with. Sent from my iPhone On 28/09/2012, at 1:48, "Jacquescj6" wrote: > > Hi > I am looking for an installation manual for a as100 smoke system I kind of lost mine any one got one lying around.? [Embarassed] > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384078#384078 > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.