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1. 12:22 AM - Time extension for the M14P (Bradly Banks)
2. 09:05 AM - Re: Time extension for the M14P (Didier Blouzard)
3. 11:56 AM - Re: Time extension for the M14P (Richard Goode)
4. 02:03 PM - Re: Time extension for the M14P (Didier Blouzard)
5. 10:24 PM - Re: Time extension for the M14P (Bradly Banks)
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| Subject: | Time extension for the M14P |
Would anybody be able to help with getting authoritative documentation , on
a time extension for an M14P engine.
Currently we are held to a 750 Hr (52) and 1200 Hr (18T) TBO legislation by
our CAA.
On challenging that threshold they were open to considering a time extension
if it was substantiated by the manufacturer or an authority regarding these
engines
We have a grey area here which has the potential to ground 90 % of the yak
Community here in South Africa.
Any responses would be appreciated as usual.
Bradly Banks
Cell:0825083200
Tel :0333308580
Email :brad@runawaymedia.co.za
Skype: brad.banks10
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| Subject: | Re: Time extension for the M14P |
If I am not wrong the factory potential for these motor is 750h -
Inspection - 500h - inspection - 500h - end of life
In certain countries they will make a life extension after 750+500+500
+10%tolerances.
Didier
2012/10/2 Bradly Banks <brad@runawaymedia.co.za>
> Would anybody be able to help with getting authoritative documentation ,
> on a time extension for an M14P engine. ****
>
> Currently we are held to a 750 Hr (52) and 1200 Hr (18T) TBO legislation
> by our CAA.****
>
> On challenging that threshold they were open to considering a time
> extension if it was substantiated by the manufacturer or an authority
> regarding these engines****
>
> ** **
>
> We have a grey area here which has the potential to ground 90 % of the
> yak Community here in South Africa.****
>
> ** **
>
> Any responses would be appreciated as usual.****
>
> ** **
>
> Bradly Banks****
>
> Cell:0825083200****
>
> Tel :0333308580****
>
> Email :brad@runawaymedia.co.za****
>
> Skype: brad.banks10****
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| Subject: | Time extension for the M14P |
Didier is not quite right! Firstly, one should remember that the original
Russian TBOs were established in a military environment, and where they were
trying to keep 300 million people employed.
Secondly, the original "life" in this environment was actually 2250 hours,
this being a 750 Hour initial "life", and then 500 hours after each of three
overhauls. To complicate this slightly, the initial "life" for Sukhois and
single seat Yaks was 500 hours because of what was considered to be a more
arduous environment. So at its very least the South African authorities
should be accepting these, since the M14P/PF is a certificated engine and
these are the official TBOs, and documented as such.
But if the South African CAA is giving you 750/1250 hours between overhauls,
and these could be repeated, I would suggest you're doing quite well, and
I'm not sure why you say that "90% of your Yaks would be grounded"?
The practicality, however, is that the engines are beautifully made and will
last far longer than this without overhaul, in an environment where they are
operated "on condition", and certainly 1500/2000 hours can be expected if
they are properly looked after.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Didier Blouzard
Sent: 02 October 2012 17:02
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Time extension for the M14P
If I am not wrong the factory potential for these motor is 750h -
Inspection - 500h - inspection - 500h - end of life
In certain countries they will make a life extension after 750+500+500
+10%tolerances.
Didier
2012/10/2 Bradly Banks <brad@runawaymedia.co.za>
Would anybody be able to help with getting authoritative documentation , on
a time extension for an M14P engine.
Currently we are held to a 750 Hr (52) and 1200 Hr (18T) TBO legislation by
our CAA.
On challenging that threshold they were open to considering a time extension
if it was substantiated by the manufacturer or an authority regarding these
engines
We have a grey area here which has the potential to ground 90 % of the yak
Community here in South Africa.
Any responses would be appreciated as usual.
Bradly Banks
Cell:0825083200
Tel :0333308580
Email :brad@runawaymedia.co.za
Skype: brad.banks10
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| Subject: | Re: Time extension for the M14P |
Richard
thanks for the figures. Everything is .... let's say not simple ... with
the russian ....
But we love them and our planes ...
Best
Didier
2012/10/2 Richard Goode <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
> Didier is not quite right! Firstly, one should remember that the origina
l
> Russian TBOs were established in a military environment, and where they
> were trying to keep 300 million people employed.****
>
> ** **
>
> Secondly, the original "life" in this environment was actually 2250 hours
,
> this being a 750 Hour initial "life", and then 500 hours after each of
> three overhauls. To complicate this slightly, the initial "life" for
> Sukhois and single seat Yaks was 500 hours because of what was considered
> to be a more arduous environment. So at its very least the South African
> authorities should be accepting these, since the M14P/PF is a certificate
d
> engine and these are the official TBOs, and documented as such.****
>
> ** **
>
> But if the South African CAA is giving you 750/1250 hours between
> overhauls, and these could be repeated, I would suggest you're doing quit
e
> well, and I'm not sure why you say that "90% of your Yaks would be
> grounded"?****
>
> ** **
>
> The practicality, however, is that the engines are beautifully made and
> will last far longer than this without overhaul, in an environment where
> they are operated "on condition", and certainly 1500/2000 hours can be
> expected if they are properly looked after.****
>
> ** **
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics****
>
> Rhodds Farm****
>
> Lyonshall****
>
> Hereford****
>
> HR5 3LW****
>
> ** **
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120****
>
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129****
>
> www.russianaeros.com****
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Didier Blouzard
> *Sent:* 02 October 2012 17:02
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Time extension for the M14P****
>
> ** **
>
> If I am not wrong the factory potential for these motor is 750h -
> Inspection - 500h - inspection - 500h - end of life****
>
> In certain countries they will make a life extension after 750+500+500
> +10%tolerances.****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Didier****
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> 2012/10/2 Bradly Banks <brad@runawaymedia.co.za>****
>
> Would anybody be able to help with getting authoritative documentation ,
> on a time extension for an M14P engine. ****
>
> Currently we are held to a 750 Hr (52) and 1200 Hr (18T) TBO legislation
> by our CAA.****
>
> On challenging that threshold they were open to considering a time
> extension if it was substantiated by the manufacturer or an authority
> regarding these engines****
>
> ****
>
> We have a grey area here which has the potential to ground 90 % of the
> yak Community here in South Africa.****
>
> ****
>
> Any responses would be appreciated as usual.****
>
> ****
>
> Bradly Banks****
>
> Cell:0825083200****
>
> Tel :0333308580****
>
> Email :brad@runawaymedia.co.za****
>
> Skype: brad.banks10****
>
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| Subject: | Time extension for the M14P |
Hello Richard, thank you for your input here , not all but most of the
52=92s
here are running close to the 750-900-1000 hr mark , and when we bought
our
yak we were led to believe that the SA CAA would accepted that 1200 hr
was
the absolute limit TBO. Then we were sent a directive that 52=92s were
now
limited to 750 hrs and 18T=92s were allowed to stay at 1200 TBO. This
effectively put 90% of the 52=92s into a predicament, as the is no
certified
person here who can over haul engines. The case in point is where we
have a
52 with 912 hrs on it and is in pristine condition, the blow byes are
in
the 80s on each pot and now the operator is forced to strip her down
for a
rebuild .I was hoping to find out a little more about the FAA system
of
IRAN.
Regards bradly Banks
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: 02 October 2012 08:54 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Time extension for the M14P
Didier is not quite right! Firstly, one should remember that the
original
Russian TBOs were established in a military environment, and where they
were
trying to keep 300 million people employed.
Secondly, the original "life" in this environment was actually 2250
hours,
this being a 750 Hour initial "life", and then 500 hours after each of
three
overhauls. To complicate this slightly, the initial "life" for Sukhois
and
single seat Yaks was 500 hours because of what was considered to be a
more
arduous environment. So at its very least the South African authorities
should be accepting these, since the M14P/PF is a certificated engine
and
these are the official TBOs, and documented as such.
But if the South African CAA is giving you 750/1250 hours between
overhauls,
and these could be repeated, I would suggest you're doing quite well,
and
I'm not sure why you say that "90% of your Yaks would be grounded"?
The practicality, however, is that the engines are beautifully made and
will
last far longer than this without overhaul, in an environment where they
are
operated "on condition", and certainly 1500/2000 hours can be expected
if
they are properly looked after.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Didier
Blouzard
Sent: 02 October 2012 17:02
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Time extension for the M14P
If I am not wrong the factory potential for these motor is 750h -
Inspection - 500h - inspection - 500h - end of life
In certain countries they will make a life extension after 750+500+500
+10%tolerances.
Didier
2012/10/2 Bradly Banks <brad@runawaymedia.co.za>
Would anybody be able to help with getting authoritative documentation ,
on
a time extension for an M14P engine.
Currently we are held to a 750 Hr (52) and 1200 Hr (18T) TBO legislation
by
our CAA.
On challenging that threshold they were open to considering a time
extension
if it was substantiated by the manufacturer or an authority regarding
these
engines
We have a grey area here which has the potential to ground 90 % of the
yak
Community here in South Africa.
Any responses would be appreciated as usual.
Bradly Banks
Cell:0825083200
Tel :0333308580
Email :brad@runawaymedia.co.za
Skype: brad.banks10
et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
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