---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/02/12: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:22 AM - Time extension for the M14P (Bradly Banks) 2. 09:05 AM - Re: Time extension for the M14P (Didier Blouzard) 3. 11:56 AM - Re: Time extension for the M14P (Richard Goode) 4. 02:03 PM - Re: Time extension for the M14P (Didier Blouzard) 5. 10:24 PM - Re: Time extension for the M14P (Bradly Banks) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:35 AM PST US From: "Bradly Banks" Subject: Yak-List: Time extension for the M14P Would anybody be able to help with getting authoritative documentation , on a time extension for an M14P engine. Currently we are held to a 750 Hr (52) and 1200 Hr (18T) TBO legislation by our CAA. On challenging that threshold they were open to considering a time extension if it was substantiated by the manufacturer or an authority regarding these engines We have a grey area here which has the potential to ground 90 % of the yak Community here in South Africa. Any responses would be appreciated as usual. Bradly Banks Cell:0825083200 Tel :0333308580 Email :brad@runawaymedia.co.za Skype: brad.banks10 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:21 AM PST US From: Didier Blouzard Subject: Re: Yak-List: Time extension for the M14P If I am not wrong the factory potential for these motor is 750h - Inspection - 500h - inspection - 500h - end of life In certain countries they will make a life extension after 750+500+500 +10%tolerances. Didier 2012/10/2 Bradly Banks > Would anybody be able to help with getting authoritative documentation , > on a time extension for an M14P engine. **** > > Currently we are held to a 750 Hr (52) and 1200 Hr (18T) TBO legislation > by our CAA.**** > > On challenging that threshold they were open to considering a time > extension if it was substantiated by the manufacturer or an authority > regarding these engines**** > > ** ** > > We have a grey area here which has the potential to ground 90 % of the > yak Community here in South Africa.**** > > ** ** > > Any responses would be appreciated as usual.**** > > ** ** > > Bradly Banks**** > > Cell:0825083200**** > > Tel :0333308580**** > > Email :brad@runawaymedia.co.za**** > > Skype: brad.banks10**** > > ** ** > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- ____________________________ Didier BLOUZARD Directeur G=E9n=E9ral DATEXIS Portable : +33 6 51 84 48 02 Email: didier.blouzard@gmail.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:56:28 AM PST US From: "Richard Goode" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Time extension for the M14P Didier is not quite right! Firstly, one should remember that the original Russian TBOs were established in a military environment, and where they were trying to keep 300 million people employed. Secondly, the original "life" in this environment was actually 2250 hours, this being a 750 Hour initial "life", and then 500 hours after each of three overhauls. To complicate this slightly, the initial "life" for Sukhois and single seat Yaks was 500 hours because of what was considered to be a more arduous environment. So at its very least the South African authorities should be accepting these, since the M14P/PF is a certificated engine and these are the official TBOs, and documented as such. But if the South African CAA is giving you 750/1250 hours between overhauls, and these could be repeated, I would suggest you're doing quite well, and I'm not sure why you say that "90% of your Yaks would be grounded"? The practicality, however, is that the engines are beautifully made and will last far longer than this without overhaul, in an environment where they are operated "on condition", and certainly 1500/2000 hours can be expected if they are properly looked after. Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Didier Blouzard Sent: 02 October 2012 17:02 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Time extension for the M14P If I am not wrong the factory potential for these motor is 750h - Inspection - 500h - inspection - 500h - end of life In certain countries they will make a life extension after 750+500+500 +10%tolerances. Didier 2012/10/2 Bradly Banks Would anybody be able to help with getting authoritative documentation , on a time extension for an M14P engine. Currently we are held to a 750 Hr (52) and 1200 Hr (18T) TBO legislation by our CAA. On challenging that threshold they were open to considering a time extension if it was substantiated by the manufacturer or an authority regarding these engines We have a grey area here which has the potential to ground 90 % of the yak Community here in South Africa. Any responses would be appreciated as usual. Bradly Banks Cell:0825083200 Tel :0333308580 Email :brad@runawaymedia.co.za Skype: brad.banks10 et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- ____________________________ Didier BLOUZARD Directeur G=E9n=E9ral DATEXIS Portable : +33 6 51 84 48 02 Email: didier.blouzard@gmail.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
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and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:25 PM PST US From: Didier Blouzard Subject: Re: Yak-List: Time extension for the M14P Richard thanks for the figures. Everything is .... let's say not simple ... with the russian .... But we love them and our planes ... Best Didier 2012/10/2 Richard Goode > Didier is not quite right! Firstly, one should remember that the origina l > Russian TBOs were established in a military environment, and where they > were trying to keep 300 million people employed.**** > > ** ** > > Secondly, the original "life" in this environment was actually 2250 hours , > this being a 750 Hour initial "life", and then 500 hours after each of > three overhauls. To complicate this slightly, the initial "life" for > Sukhois and single seat Yaks was 500 hours because of what was considered > to be a more arduous environment. So at its very least the South African > authorities should be accepting these, since the M14P/PF is a certificate d > engine and these are the official TBOs, and documented as such.**** > > ** ** > > But if the South African CAA is giving you 750/1250 hours between > overhauls, and these could be repeated, I would suggest you're doing quit e > well, and I'm not sure why you say that "90% of your Yaks would be > grounded"?**** > > ** ** > > The practicality, however, is that the engines are beautifully made and > will last far longer than this without overhaul, in an environment where > they are operated "on condition", and certainly 1500/2000 hours can be > expected if they are properly looked after.**** > > ** ** > > Richard Goode Aerobatics**** > > Rhodds Farm**** > > Lyonshall**** > > Hereford**** > > HR5 3LW**** > > ** ** > > Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120**** > > Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129**** > > www.russianaeros.com**** > > ** ** > > *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Didier Blouzard > *Sent:* 02 October 2012 17:02 > *To:* yak-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Time extension for the M14P**** > > ** ** > > If I am not wrong the factory potential for these motor is 750h - > Inspection - 500h - inspection - 500h - end of life**** > > In certain countries they will make a life extension after 750+500+500 > +10%tolerances.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > Didier**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > 2012/10/2 Bradly Banks **** > > Would anybody be able to help with getting authoritative documentation , > on a time extension for an M14P engine. **** > > Currently we are held to a 750 Hr (52) and 1200 Hr (18T) TBO legislation > by our CAA.**** > > On challenging that threshold they were open to considering a time > extension if it was substantiated by the manufacturer or an authority > regarding these engines**** > > **** > > We have a grey area here which has the potential to ground 90 % of the > yak Community here in South Africa.**** > > **** > > Any responses would be appreciated as usual.**** > > **** > > Bradly Banks**** > > Cell:0825083200**** > > Tel :0333308580**** > > Email :brad@runawaymedia.co.za**** > > Skype: brad.banks10**** > > **** > > * * > > * * > > *et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List* > > *tp://forums.matronics.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > > **** > > ** ** > > -- > *____________________________ > Didier BLOUZARD > Directeur G=E9n=E9ral DATEXIS > *Portable : +33 6 51 84 48 02 > Email: didier.blouzard@gmail.com **** > > * * > > * * > > =====================****< - The Yak-List Email Forum -**** > > *<= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription,wnload, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ,* > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List* > > *http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site -* > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > ============* > > * * > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. **** > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the > Invictawiz MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- ____________________________ Didier BLOUZARD Directeur G=E9n=E9ral DATEXIS Portable : +33 6 51 84 48 02 Email: didier.blouzard@gmail.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:22 PM PST US From: "Bradly Banks" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Time extension for the M14P Hello Richard, thank you for your input here , not all but most of the 52=92s here are running close to the 750-900-1000 hr mark , and when we bought our yak we were led to believe that the SA CAA would accepted that 1200 hr was the absolute limit TBO. Then we were sent a directive that 52=92s were now limited to 750 hrs and 18T=92s were allowed to stay at 1200 TBO. This effectively put 90% of the 52=92s into a predicament, as the is no certified person here who can over haul engines. The case in point is where we have a 52 with 912 hrs on it and is in pristine condition, the blow byes are in the 80s on each pot and now the operator is forced to strip her down for a rebuild .I was hoping to find out a little more about the FAA system of IRAN. Regards bradly Banks From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode Sent: 02 October 2012 08:54 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: Time extension for the M14P Didier is not quite right! Firstly, one should remember that the original Russian TBOs were established in a military environment, and where they were trying to keep 300 million people employed. Secondly, the original "life" in this environment was actually 2250 hours, this being a 750 Hour initial "life", and then 500 hours after each of three overhauls. To complicate this slightly, the initial "life" for Sukhois and single seat Yaks was 500 hours because of what was considered to be a more arduous environment. So at its very least the South African authorities should be accepting these, since the M14P/PF is a certificated engine and these are the official TBOs, and documented as such. But if the South African CAA is giving you 750/1250 hours between overhauls, and these could be repeated, I would suggest you're doing quite well, and I'm not sure why you say that "90% of your Yaks would be grounded"? The practicality, however, is that the engines are beautifully made and will last far longer than this without overhaul, in an environment where they are operated "on condition", and certainly 1500/2000 hours can be expected if they are properly looked after. Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Didier Blouzard Sent: 02 October 2012 17:02 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Time extension for the M14P If I am not wrong the factory potential for these motor is 750h - Inspection - 500h - inspection - 500h - end of life In certain countries they will make a life extension after 750+500+500 +10%tolerances. Didier 2012/10/2 Bradly Banks Would anybody be able to help with getting authoritative documentation , on a time extension for an M14P engine. Currently we are held to a 750 Hr (52) and 1200 Hr (18T) TBO legislation by our CAA. On challenging that threshold they were open to considering a time extension if it was substantiated by the manufacturer or an authority regarding these engines We have a grey area here which has the potential to ground 90 % of the yak Community here in South Africa. Any responses would be appreciated as usual. Bradly Banks Cell:0825083200 Tel :0333308580 Email :brad@runawaymedia.co.za Skype: brad.banks10 et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- ____________________________ Didier BLOUZARD Directeur G=E9n=E9ral DATEXIS Portable : +33 6 51 84 48 02 Email: didier.blouzard@gmail.com ==================== <= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription,wnload, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com - List Contribution Web Site - http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by the Invictawiz MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.