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1. 02:27 AM - Re: Beautiful Yak 52 for sale (Invert)
2. 05:00 AM - Re: Time extension for the M14P (George Coy)
3. 06:06 AM - Re: Time extension for the M14P (Bradly Banks)
4. 08:53 AM - Re: Beautiful Yak 52 for sale (Dee Conger)
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| Subject: | Re: Beautiful Yak 52 for sale |
Good morning Dee
Did you sell this 52?
Art
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On 30/07/2012, at 11:27 AM, Dee Conger <dee@innoviveinc.com> wrote:
> Just listed on ebay - really nice 52 w/ long range wet wing tanks, new mal
colm hoods - beautiful and a real value at $59K.
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1708875712
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| Subject: | Time extension for the M14P |
Bradly,
The significant difference is that the U.S. registered 52=92s are
operated
under the EXPERIMINTAL EXHIBITION category. Basically that means that
means
that short of specific Airworthiness Directive (yes it theoretically
can be
done on experimental aircraft) there is no TBO. The aircraft and engines
are
operated =93On Condition=94. This is not an IRAN.
The IRAN (Inspect and Repair As Necessary) system does
not
come into play.
As South Africa like many other countries only allows the Yaks to fly
under
the original manufacturers rules. Thus the overhaul periods on the
engines
and airframes.
There are only a few companies recognized that can make
=93OFFICIAL=94 overhauls that are accepted by the governments as meting
the
overhaul requirements. Motorstar in Romania is one, I believe Richard
Goode
has a company in Hungary, several in Russia and there is one or two in
Lithuania. These are companies that can supply documentation acceptable
to
your MOT.
I believe that Russia now officially allows extensions
on
overhaul periods on M14p engines and Yak airframes on a case by case
basis.
As far as I know, there are no certified overhaul facilities for the
airframes remaining in Russia.
George Coy
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bradly Banks
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 1:20 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Time extension for the M14P
Hello Richard, thank you for your input here , not all but most of the
52=92s
here are running close to the 750-900-1000 hr mark , and when we bought
our
yak we were led to believe that the SA CAA would accepted that 1200 hr
was
the absolute limit TBO. Then we were sent a directive that 52=92s were
now
limited to 750 hrs and 18T=92s were allowed to stay at 1200 TBO. This
effectively put 90% of the 52=92s into a predicament, as the is no
certified
person here who can over haul engines. The case in point is where we
have a
52 with 912 hrs on it and is in pristine condition, the blow byes are
in
the 80s on each pot and now the operator is forced to strip her down
for a
rebuild .I was hoping to find out a little more about the FAA system
of
IRAN.
Regards bradly Banks
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: 02 October 2012 08:54 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Time extension for the M14P
Didier is not quite right! Firstly, one should remember that the
original
Russian TBOs were established in a military environment, and where they
were
trying to keep 300 million people employed.
Secondly, the original "life" in this environment was actually 2250
hours,
this being a 750 Hour initial "life", and then 500 hours after each of
three
overhauls. To complicate this slightly, the initial "life" for Sukhois
and
single seat Yaks was 500 hours because of what was considered to be a
more
arduous environment. So at its very least the South African authorities
should be accepting these, since the M14P/PF is a certificated engine
and
these are the official TBOs, and documented as such.
But if the South African CAA is giving you 750/1250 hours between
overhauls,
and these could be repeated, I would suggest you're doing quite well,
and
I'm not sure why you say that "90% of your Yaks would be grounded"?
The practicality, however, is that the engines are beautifully made and
will
last far longer than this without overhaul, in an environment where they
are
operated "on condition", and certainly 1500/2000 hours can be expected
if
they are properly looked after.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Didier
Blouzard
Sent: 02 October 2012 17:02
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Time extension for the M14P
If I am not wrong the factory potential for these motor is 750h -
Inspection - 500h - inspection - 500h - end of life
In certain countries they will make a life extension after 750+500+500
+10%tolerances.
Didier
2012/10/2 Bradly Banks <brad@runawaymedia.co.za>
Would anybody be able to help with getting authoritative documentation ,
on
a time extension for an M14P engine.
Currently we are held to a 750 Hr (52) and 1200 Hr (18T) TBO legislation
by
our CAA.
On challenging that threshold they were open to considering a time
extension
if it was substantiated by the manufacturer or an authority regarding
these
engines
We have a grey area here which has the potential to ground 90 % of the
yak
Community here in South Africa.
Any responses would be appreciated as usual.
Bradly Banks
Cell:0825083200
Tel :0333308580
Email :brad@runawaymedia.co.za
Skype: brad.banks10
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| Subject: | Time extension for the M14P |
Hello All , firstly thankyou for the valuable input from you all, we are
truly a global community.
The fact that the Sa CAA are willing to listen is a big help, and in
going
about this exercise ,( and not to state the obvious) one needs to keep
the
safety of the pilot in focus all the time.
That being said we must find a common agreed upon life span Or as George
you
have put it get registered as a fully experimental category.
I=92ll investigate that option an revert to you all with any findings.
Regards to all have written in on the subject.
Brad
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Coy
Sent: 03 October 2012 01:59 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Time extension for the M14P
Bradly,
The significant difference is that the U.S. registered 52=92s are
operated
under the EXPERIMINTAL EXHIBITION category. Basically that means that
means
that short of specific Airworthiness Directive (yes it theoretically
can be
done on experimental aircraft) there is no TBO. The aircraft and engines
are
operated =93On Condition=94. This is not an IRAN.
The IRAN (Inspect and Repair As Necessary) system does
not
come into play.
As South Africa like many other countries only allows the Yaks to fly
under
the original manufacturers rules. Thus the overhaul periods on the
engines
and airframes.
There are only a few companies recognized that can make
=93OFFICIAL=94 overhauls that are accepted by the governments as meting
the
overhaul requirements. Motorstar in Romania is one, I believe Richard
Goode
has a company in Hungary, several in Russia and there is one or two in
Lithuania. These are companies that can supply documentation acceptable
to
your MOT.
I believe that Russia now officially allows extensions
on
overhaul periods on M14p engines and Yak airframes on a case by case
basis.
As far as I know, there are no certified overhaul facilities for the
airframes remaining in Russia.
George Coy
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bradly Banks
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 1:20 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Time extension for the M14P
Hello Richard, thank you for your input here , not all but most of the
52=92s
here are running close to the 750-900-1000 hr mark , and when we bought
our
yak we were led to believe that the SA CAA would accepted that 1200 hr
was
the absolute limit TBO. Then we were sent a directive that 52=92s were
now
limited to 750 hrs and 18T=92s were allowed to stay at 1200 TBO. This
effectively put 90% of the 52=92s into a predicament, as the is no
certified
person here who can over haul engines. The case in point is where we
have a
52 with 912 hrs on it and is in pristine condition, the blow byes are
in
the 80s on each pot and now the operator is forced to strip her down
for a
rebuild .I was hoping to find out a little more about the FAA system
of
IRAN.
Regards bradly Banks
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: 02 October 2012 08:54 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Time extension for the M14P
Didier is not quite right! Firstly, one should remember that the
original
Russian TBOs were established in a military environment, and where they
were
trying to keep 300 million people employed.
Secondly, the original "life" in this environment was actually 2250
hours,
this being a 750 Hour initial "life", and then 500 hours after each of
three
overhauls. To complicate this slightly, the initial "life" for Sukhois
and
single seat Yaks was 500 hours because of what was considered to be a
more
arduous environment. So at its very least the South African authorities
should be accepting these, since the M14P/PF is a certificated engine
and
these are the official TBOs, and documented as such.
But if the South African CAA is giving you 750/1250 hours between
overhauls,
and these could be repeated, I would suggest you're doing quite well,
and
I'm not sure why you say that "90% of your Yaks would be grounded"?
The practicality, however, is that the engines are beautifully made and
will
last far longer than this without overhaul, in an environment where they
are
operated "on condition", and certainly 1500/2000 hours can be expected
if
they are properly looked after.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Didier
Blouzard
Sent: 02 October 2012 17:02
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Time extension for the M14P
If I am not wrong the factory potential for these motor is 750h -
Inspection - 500h - inspection - 500h - end of life
In certain countries they will make a life extension after 750+500+500
+10%tolerances.
Didier
2012/10/2 Bradly Banks <brad@runawaymedia.co.za>
Would anybody be able to help with getting authoritative documentation ,
on
a time extension for an M14P engine.
Currently we are held to a 750 Hr (52) and 1200 Hr (18T) TBO legislation
by
our CAA.
On challenging that threshold they were open to considering a time
extension
if it was substantiated by the manufacturer or an authority regarding
these
engines
We have a grey area here which has the potential to ground 90 % of the
yak
Community here in South Africa.
Any responses would be appreciated as usual.
Bradly Banks
Cell:0825083200
Tel :0333308580
Email :brad@runawaymedia.co.za
Skype: brad.banks10
et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Beautiful Yak 52 for sale |
no - still flying it.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 2:24 AM, Invert <invert33@gmail.com> wrote:
> Good morning Dee
>
> Did you sell this 52?
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> Art
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On 30/07/2012, at 11:27 AM, Dee Conger <dee@innoviveinc.com> wrote:
>
> Just listed on ebay - really nice 52 w/ long range wet wing tanks, new
> malcolm hoods - beautiful and a real value at $59K.
>
>
> <http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170887571254#ht_500wt_1182>
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