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1. 12:27 AM - Re: Skidding on glassy water (Didier BLOUZARD)
2. 06:59 AM - Re: Skidding on glassy water (Bill Geipel)
3. 07:12 AM - Re: Skidding on glassy water (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
4. 07:38 AM - Re: Skidding on glassy water (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 07:47 AM - Re: Skidding on glassy water (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
6. 08:06 AM - Re: Skidding on glassy water (bill wade)
7. 08:20 AM - Re: Skidding on glassy water (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
8. 08:30 AM - Re: Skidding on glassy water (doug sapp)
9. 09:06 AM - Re: Skidding on glassy water (bill wade)
10. 09:11 AM - Re: Skidding on glassy water (Didier Blouzard)
11. 09:17 AM - Re: Skidding on glassy water (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
12. 09:48 AM - Re: Skidding on glassy water (Richard Goode)
13. 09:59 AM - Re: Skidding on glassy water (cjpilot710@aol.com)
14. 10:04 AM - Re: Skidding on glassy water (Jay Land)
15. 01:34 PM - Skidding on glassy water (Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer)
16. 02:05 PM - Re: Skidding on glassy water (dabear)
17. 03:04 PM - Re: Skidding on glassy water (Bill Geipel)
18. 04:01 PM - Re: Skidding on glassy water (William Halverson)
19. 04:16 PM - Re: Skidding on glassy water (Didier BLOUZARD)
20. 04:49 PM - Re: Skidding on glassy water (doug sapp)
21. 06:13 PM - Fw: Contaminated Runway Operations - Russian Style (Roger Kemp M.D.)
22. 07:43 PM - Re: Skidding on glassy water (Walter Lannon)
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| Subject: | Re: Skidding on glassy water |
Ok keep the wife the car the dog. I would just like any planes or tools or M14P's
you may have. Please don't take your Yak for the first (!!!) try!!!!
Seriously do you think it makes any differences to be on the brakes???
Didier Blouzard
+33 6 2424 3672
Le 23 oct. 2012 03:49, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h@shaw.ca> a crit :
>
> I guess many of you have seen those tail-dragger videos
> of the "real" pros skidding their Harvards, Super Cubs,
> etc. on smooth lake water.
>
> Now here comes my question:
>
> Has anyone of you guys ever done it and do you have
> to be on or off the brakes.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> cheers
>
> Elmar
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skidding on glassy water |
Wasn't there a video of the African flight team doing that in Harvards?
I don't think brakes would make a difference other than spinning your tires. Skipping
stones is skipping stones.
Bill
On Oct 23, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Didier BLOUZARD <didier.blouzard@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ok keep the wife the car the dog. I would just like any planes or tools or M14P's
you may have. Please don't take your Yak for the first (!!!) try!!!!
>
> Seriously do you think it makes any differences to be on the brakes???
>
> Didier Blouzard
> +33 6 2424 3672
>
> Le 23 oct. 2012 03:49, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h@shaw.ca> a crit :
>
>>
>> I guess many of you have seen those tail-dragger videos
>> of the "real" pros skidding their Harvards, Super Cubs,
>> etc. on smooth lake water.
>>
>> Now here comes my question:
>>
>> Has anyone of you guys ever done it and do you have
>> to be on or off the brakes.
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Elmar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Skidding on glassy water |
You need to be on the brakes. It does make a difference.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:57
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
Wasn't there a video of the African flight team doing that in Harvards?
I don't think brakes would make a difference other than spinning your
tires. Skipping stones is skipping stones.
Bill
On Oct 23, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Didier BLOUZARD <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
wrote:
<didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
>
> Ok keep the wife the car the dog. I would just like any planes or
tools or M14P's you may have. Please don't take your Yak for the first
(!!!) try!!!!
>
> Seriously do you think it makes any differences to be on the brakes???
>
> Didier Blouzard
> +33 6 2424 3672
>
> Le 23 oct. 2012 =C3- 03:49, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer
<samira.h@shaw.ca> a =C3=A9crit :
>
<samira.h@shaw.ca>
>>
>> I guess many of you have seen those tail-dragger videos
>> of the "real" pros skidding their Harvards, Super Cubs,
>> etc. on smooth lake water.
>>
>> Now here comes my question:
>>
>> Has anyone of you guys ever done it and do you have
>> to be on or off the brakes.
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Elmar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skidding on glassy water |
Yes, to turn left while skidding on the water, press the left toe
brake. :-))
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 10/23/2012 9:09 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD wrote:
> You need to be on the brakes. It does make a difference.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:57
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
>
>
> Wasn't there a video of the African flight team doing that in Harvards?
> I don't think brakes would make a difference other than spinning your tires.
Skipping stones is skipping stones.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Didier BLOUZARD <didier.blouzard@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ok keep the wife the car the dog. I would just like any planes or tools or M14P's
you may have. Please don't take your Yak for the first (!!!) try!!!!
>>
>> Seriously do you think it makes any differences to be on the brakes???
>>
>> Didier Blouzard
>> +33 6 2424 3672
>>
>> Le 23 oct. 2012 03:49, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h@shaw.ca> a crit
:
>>
>>>
>>> I guess many of you have seen those tail-dragger videos
>>> of the "real" pros skidding their Harvards, Super Cubs,
>>> etc. on smooth lake water.
>>>
>>> Now here comes my question:
>>>
>>> Has anyone of you guys ever done it and do you have
>>> to be on or off the brakes.
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> Elmar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Skidding on glassy water |
Seriously though... you need to be on the brakes. Both.
Mark
p.s. Good one Dennis!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:36
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
Yes, to turn left while skidding on the water, press the left toe
brake. :-))
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 10/23/2012 9:09 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD wrote:
> You need to be on the brakes. It does make a difference.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:57
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
>
>
> Wasn't there a video of the African flight team doing that in Harvards?
> I don't think brakes would make a difference other than spinning your tires.
Skipping stones is skipping stones.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Didier BLOUZARD <didier.blouzard@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ok keep the wife the car the dog. I would just like any planes or tools or M14P's
you may have. Please don't take your Yak for the first (!!!) try!!!!
>>
>> Seriously do you think it makes any differences to be on the brakes???
>>
>> Didier Blouzard
>> +33 6 2424 3672
>>
>> Le 23 oct. 2012 03:49, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h@shaw.ca> a crit
:
>>
>>>
>>> I guess many of you have seen those tail-dragger videos
>>> of the "real" pros skidding their Harvards, Super Cubs,
>>> etc. on smooth lake water.
>>>
>>> Now here comes my question:
>>>
>>> Has anyone of you guys ever done it and do you have
>>> to be on or off the brakes.
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> Elmar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skidding on glassy water |
What about the nose wheel? or should I suggest a modification to the Landin
g gear system that holds the nose gear up should you consider this in a-t
rike.-=0ABill Wade=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From:
"Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>=0ATo: yak-li
st@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:43 AM=0ASubject: RE:
"Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>=0A=0ASerious
ly though... you need to be on the brakes.- Both. =0A=0AMark =0A=0Ap.s.
- Good one Dennis!- =0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: owner-y
ak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] O
n Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese=0ASent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:36=0ATo:
yak-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
ellsouth.net>=0A=0AYes, to turn left while skidding on the water, press the
left toe =0Abrake.- :-))=0A=0AA. Dennis Savarese=0A334-285-6263=0A334-54
6-8182 (mobile)=0Awww.yak-52.com=0ASkype - Yakguy1=0A=0AOn 10/23/2012 9:09
AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD wrote:=0A> You need to be on the brak
es.- It does make a difference.=0A>=0A> Mark Bitterlich=0A>=0A>=0A> -----
Original Message-----=0A> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto
:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel=0A> Sent: Tu
esday, October 23, 2012 6:57=0A> To: yak-list@matronics.com=0A> Subject: Re
: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water=0A>=0A> --> Yak-List message posted by
: Bill Geipel <czech6@mesanetworks.net>=0A>=0A> Wasn't there a video of the
African flight team doing that in Harvards?=0A> I don't think brakes would
make a difference other than spinning your tires. Skipping stones is skipp
ing stones.=0A>=0A> Bill=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> On Oct 23, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Didie
r BLOUZARD <didier.blouzard@gmail.com> wrote:=0A>=0A>> --> Yak-List message
posted by: Didier BLOUZARD <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>=0A>>=0A>> Ok keep t
he wife the car the dog. I would just like any planes or tools or M14P's yo
u may have. Please don't take your Yak for the first (!!!) try!!!!=0A>>=0A>
> Seriously do you think it makes any differences to be on the brakes???=0A
>>=0A>> Didier Blouzard=0A>> +33 6 2424 3672=0A>>=0A>> Le 23 oct. 2012 =E0
03:49, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h@shaw.ca> a =E9crit :=0A>>=0A>>>
>=0A>>>=0A>>> I guess many of you have seen those tail-dragger videos=0A>>>
of the "real" pros skidding their Harvards, Super Cubs,=0A>>> etc. on smoo
th lake water.=0A>>>=0A>>> Now here comes my question:=0A>>>=0A>>> Has anyo
ne of you guys ever done it and do you have=0A>>> to be on or off the brake
s.=0A>>>=0A>>> Thank you in advance.=0A>>>=0A>>> cheers=0A>>>=0A>>> Elmar
=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A
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| Subject: | Skidding on glassy water |
I would not suggest trying it in anything other than an aircraft equipped with
conventional landing gear.
And for that matter, I am not "suggesting" it in the first place.
Since this is a public forum and is sometimes indeed read by the FAA, what you
say here can be held in front of your face should the FAA decide to. Thus I am
not saying anything more other than you need to be on the brakes. This can
actually be tested with nothing more than a boat, a tire on an axle, and a method
of lowering it into the water. A tire that is allowed to spin up to speed
will tend to dig into the water. A tire that is not rotating will act just like
a water ski.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill wade
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:04
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
What about the nose wheel? or should I suggest a modification to the Landing gear
system that holds the nose gear up should you consider this in a trike.
Bill Wade
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
Seriously though... you need to be on the brakes. Both.
Mark
p.s. Good one Dennis!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:36
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
Yes, to turn left while skidding on the water, press the left toe
brake. :-))
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 10/23/2012 9:09 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD wrote:
> You need to be on the brakes. It does make a difference.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:57
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
>
>
> Wasn't there a video of the African flight team doing that in Harvards?
> I don't think brakes would make a difference other than spinning your tires.
Skipping stones is skipping stones.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Didier BLOUZARD <didier.blouzard@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ok keep the wife the car the dog. I would just like any planes or tools or M14P's
you may have. Please don't take your Yak for the first (!!!) try!!!!
>>
>> Seriously do you think it makes any differences to be on the brakes???
>>
>> Didier Blouzard
>> +33 6 2424 3672
>>
>> Le 23 oct. 2012 03:49, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h@shaw.ca> a crit
:
>>
>>>
>>> I guess many of you have seen those tail-dragger videos
>>> of the "real" pros skidding their Harvards, Super Cubs,
>>> etc. on smooth lake water.
>>>
>>> Now here comes my question:
>>>
>>> Has anyone of you guys ever done it and do you have
>>> to be on or off the brakes.
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> Elmar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skidding on glassy water |
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19640000612_1964000612
.pdf
Doug
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 8:17 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD <
mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
> mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> I would not suggest trying it in anything other than an aircraft equipped
> with conventional landing gear.
>
> And for that matter, I am not "suggesting" it in the first place.
>
> Since this is a public forum and is sometimes indeed read by the FAA, wha
t
> you say here can be held in front of your face should the FAA decide to.
> Thus I am not saying anything more other than you need to be on the
> brakes. This can actually be tested with nothing more than a boat, a tir
e
> on an axle, and a method of lowering it into the water. A tire that is
> allowed to spin up to speed will tend to dig into the water. A tire that
> is not rotating will act just like a water ski.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill wade
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:04
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
>
> What about the nose wheel? or should I suggest a modification to the
> Landing gear system that holds the nose gear up should you consider this
in
> a trike.
> Bill Wade
>
> From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:43 AM
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
>
>
> mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Seriously though... you need to be on the brakes. Both.
>
> Mark
>
> p.s. Good one Dennis!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:36
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
>
> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
> Yes, to turn left while skidding on the water, press the left toe
> brake. :-))
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-285-6263
> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
> www.yak-52.com
> Skype - Yakguy1
>
> On 10/23/2012 9:09 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD wrote:
> > You need to be on the brakes. It does make a difference.
> >
> > Mark Bitterlich
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:57
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
> >
> >
> > Wasn't there a video of the African flight team doing that in Harvards?
> > I don't think brakes would make a difference other than spinning your
> tires. Skipping stones is skipping stones.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 23, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Didier BLOUZARD <didier.blouzard@gmail.com
>
> wrote:
> >
> didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Ok keep the wife the car the dog. I would just like any planes or tool
s
> or M14P's you may have. Please don't take your Yak for the first (!!!)
> try!!!!
> >>
> >> Seriously do you think it makes any differences to be on the brakes???
> >>
> >> Didier Blouzard
> >> +33 6 2424 3672
> >>
> >> Le 23 oct. 2012 =E0 03:49, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h@shaw.ca
>
> a =E9crit :
> >>
> samira.h@shaw.ca>
> >>>
> >>> I guess many of you have seen those tail-dragger videos
> >>> of the "real" pros skidding their Harvards, Super Cubs,
> >>> etc. on smooth lake water.
> >>>
> >>> Now here comes my question:
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone of you guys ever done it and do you have
> >>> to be on or off the brakes.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you in advance.
> >>>
> >>> cheers
> >>>
> >>> Elmar
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skidding on glassy water |
Hay seeing as were dragging the FAA into the fray would you need a Seaplane
rating to attempt this maneuver?=0ABill Wade=0A=0A =0A=0A_________________
_______________=0A From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterli
ch@navy.mil>=0ATo: yak-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, October 23, 201
2 11:17 AM=0ASubject: RE: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water=0A =0A--> Yak
-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterli
ch@navy.mil>=0A=0AI would not suggest trying it in anything other than an a
ircraft equipped with conventional landing gear.- =0A=0AAnd for that matt
er, I am not "suggesting" it in the first place.- =0A=0ASince this is a p
ublic forum and is sometimes indeed read by the FAA, what you say here can
be held in front of your face should the FAA decide to.- Thus I am not sa
ying anything more other than you need to be on the brakes.- This can act
ually be tested with nothing more than a boat, a tire on an axle, and a met
hod of lowering it into the water.- A tire that is allowed to spin up to
speed will tend to dig into the water.- A tire that is not rotating will
act just like a water ski.- =0A=0AMark Bitterlich=0A=0A=0A-----Original M
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Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:43 AM=0ASubject: RE: Yak-List: Skidding on gl
NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>=0A=0ASeriously though... you need to
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than spinning your tires. Skipping stones is skipping stones.=0A>=0A> Bill
=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A> On Oct 23, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Didier BLOUZARD <didier.blouz
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I would just like any planes or tools or M14P's you may have. Please don't
take your Yak for the first (!!!) try!!!!=0A>>=0A>> Seriously do you think
it makes any differences to be on the brakes???=0A>>=0A>> Didier Blouzard
=0A>> +33 6 2424 3672=0A>>=0A>> Le 23 oct. 2012 =E0 03:49, Elmar & Manuela
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| Subject: | Re: Skidding on glassy water |
You may be right but why do you need to be on the brakes
A few explanations would be more than welcome !!!
Didier
PS : Stil if you can tell me about your planes and other flying stuff you
would leave behind !!!! :-)
2012/10/23 Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Seriously though... you need to be on the brakes. Both.
>
> Mark
>
> p.s. Good one Dennis!
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:36
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
>
> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
> Yes, to turn left while skidding on the water, press the left toe
> brake. :-))
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-285-6263
> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
> www.yak-52.com
> Skype - Yakguy1
>
> On 10/23/2012 9:09 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD wrote:
> > You need to be on the brakes. It does make a difference.
> >
> > Mark Bitterlich
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:57
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
> >
> >
> > Wasn't there a video of the African flight team doing that in Harvards?
> > I don't think brakes would make a difference other than spinning your
> tires. Skipping stones is skipping stones.
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 23, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Didier BLOUZARD <didier.blouzard@gmail.com
>
> wrote:
> >
> didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Ok keep the wife the car the dog. I would just like any planes or tool
s
> or M14P's you may have. Please don't take your Yak for the first (!!!)
> try!!!!
> >>
> >> Seriously do you think it makes any differences to be on the brakes???
> >>
> >> Didier Blouzard
> >> +33 6 2424 3672
> >>
> >> Le 23 oct. 2012 =E0 03:49, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h@shaw.ca
>
> a =E9crit :
> >>
> samira.h@shaw.ca>
> >>>
> >>> I guess many of you have seen those tail-dragger videos
> >>> of the "real" pros skidding their Harvards, Super Cubs,
> >>> etc. on smooth lake water.
> >>>
> >>> Now here comes my question:
> >>>
> >>> Has anyone of you guys ever done it and do you have
> >>> to be on or off the brakes.
> >>>
> >>> Thank you in advance.
> >>>
> >>> cheers
> >>>
> >>> Elmar
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Good answer!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill wade
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:03
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
Hay seeing as were dragging the FAA into the fray would you need a Seaplane rating
to attempt this maneuver?
Bill Wade
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 11:17 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
I would not suggest trying it in anything other than an aircraft equipped with
conventional landing gear.
And for that matter, I am not "suggesting" it in the first place.
Since this is a public forum and is sometimes indeed read by the FAA, what you
say here can be held in front of your face should the FAA decide to. Thus I am
not saying anything more other than you need to be on the brakes. This can
actually be tested with nothing more than a boat, a tire on an axle, and a method
of lowering it into the water. A tire that is allowed to spin up to speed
will tend to dig into the water. A tire that is not rotating will act just like
a water ski.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill wade
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:04
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
What about the nose wheel? or should I suggest a modification to the Landing gear
system that holds the nose gear up should you consider this in a trike.
Bill Wade
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
Seriously though... you need to be on the brakes. Both.
Mark
p.s. Good one Dennis!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:36
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
Yes, to turn left while skidding on the water, press the left toe
brake. :-))
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 10/23/2012 9:09 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD wrote:
> You need to be on the brakes. It does make a difference.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:57
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
>
>
> Wasn't there a video of the African flight team doing that in Harvards?
> I don't think brakes would make a difference other than spinning your tires.
Skipping stones is skipping stones.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Didier BLOUZARD <didier.blouzard@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ok keep the wife the car the dog. I would just like any planes or tools or M14P's
you may have. Please don't take your Yak for the first (!!!) try!!!!
>>
>> Seriously do you think it makes any differences to be on the brakes???
>>
>> Didier Blouzard
>> +33 6 2424 3672
>>
>> Le 23 oct. 2012 03:49, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h@shaw.ca> a crit
:
>>
>>>
>>> I guess many of you have seen those tail-dragger videos
>>> of the "real" pros skidding their Harvards, Super Cubs,
>>> etc. on smooth lake water.
>>>
>>> Now here comes my question:
>>>
>>> Has anyone of you guys ever done it and do you have
>>> to be on or off the brakes.
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> Elmar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Skidding on glassy water |
The real problem lies in judging your height above glassy water-VERY difficult!!
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
Sent: 23 October 2012 14:57
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
Wasn't there a video of the African flight team doing that in Harvards?
I don't think brakes would make a difference other than spinning your tires. Skipping
stones is skipping stones.
Bill
On Oct 23, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Didier BLOUZARD <didier.blouzard@gmail.com> wrote:
> --> <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
>
> Ok keep the wife the car the dog. I would just like any planes or tools or M14P's
you may have. Please don't take your Yak for the first (!!!) try!!!!
>
> Seriously do you think it makes any differences to be on the brakes???
>
> Didier Blouzard
> +33 6 2424 3672
>
> Le 23 oct. 2012 03:49, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h@shaw.ca> a crit :
>
>> --> <samira.h@shaw.ca>
>>
>> I guess many of you have seen those tail-dragger videos of the "real"
>> pros skidding their Harvards, Super Cubs, etc. on smooth lake water.
>>
>> Now here comes my question:
>>
>> Has anyone of you guys ever done it and do you have to be on or off
>> the brakes.
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Elmar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skidding on glassy water |
I am with Mark.
The airplane should have a aft C/G by all means. The more the better.
The nose over tendency can be real detrimental with a tail light machine.
(BTW the B-17 might make a good candidate. Its the only airplane I've flo
wn
were you can put on the brakes and hold forward on the yoke. To a POINT
that is.) But I understand a number of bush pilots use the technique in
their big tired Cubs and such.
Actually the airplane is hydro plaining, which if you've ever experienced
it in a big jet will scare the shit out of you. Especially on a moonless
African night landing a blacktopped runway in the wake of a super CB.
Would I do it? No. That's why I am an OLD pilot. ;-) (But I don't need
to kick start my heart every flight)
Yea forget the nose wheel idea.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 10/23/2012 11:20:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mark.bitterlich@navy.mil writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
I would not suggest trying it in anything other than an aircraft equipped
with conventional landing gear.
And for that matter, I am not "suggesting" it in the first place.
Since this is a public forum and is sometimes indeed read by the FAA, what
you say here can be held in front of your face should the FAA decide to.
Thus I am not saying anything more other than you need to be on the brakes
.
This can actually be tested with nothing more than a boat, a tire on an
axle, and a method of lowering it into the water. A tire that is allowed
to
spin up to speed will tend to dig into the water. A tire that is not
rotating will act just like a water ski.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill wade
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:04
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
What about the nose wheel? or should I suggest a modification to the
Landing gear system that holds the nose gear up should you consider this i
n a
trike.
Bill Wade
From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
Seriously though... you need to be on the brakes. Both.
Mark
p.s. Good one Dennis!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A. Dennis Savare
se
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 7:36
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
<dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
Yes, to turn left while skidding on the water, press the left toe
brake. :-))
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 10/23/2012 9:09 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD wrote:
> You need to be on the brakes. It does make a difference.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
> Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 6:57
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
>
>
> Wasn't there a video of the African flight team doing that in Harvards?
> I don't think brakes would make a difference other than spinning your
tires. Skipping stones is skipping stones.
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Didier BLOUZARD <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
<didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
>>
>> Ok keep the wife the car the dog. I would just like any planes or tools
or M14P's you may have. Please don't take your Yak for the first (!!!)
try!!!!
>>
>> Seriously do you think it makes any differences to be on the brakes???
>>
>> Didier Blouzard
>> +33 6 2424 3672
>>
>> Le 23 oct. 2012 =E0 03:49, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h@shaw.ca>
a
=E9crit :
>>
<samira.h@shaw.ca>
>>>
>>> I guess many of you have seen those tail-dragger videos
>>> of the "real" pros skidding their Harvards, Super Cubs,
>>> etc. on smooth lake water.
>>>
>>> Now here comes my question:
>>>
>>> Has anyone of you guys ever done it and do you have
>>> to be on or off the brakes.
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> Elmar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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You'll certainly know real quickly when you've gone too low!
On 10/23/12 12:46 PM, "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
wrote:
> <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>
> The real problem lies in judging your height above glassy water-VERY
> difficult!!
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Hereford
> HR5 3LW
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> www.russianaeros.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
> Sent: 23 October 2012 14:57
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
>
>
> Wasn't there a video of the African flight team doing that in Harvards?
> I don't think brakes would make a difference other than spinning your tires.
> Skipping stones is skipping stones.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Didier BLOUZARD <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> --> <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
>>
>> Ok keep the wife the car the dog. I would just like any planes or tools or
>> M14P's you may have. Please don't take your Yak for the first (!!!) try!!!!
>>
>> Seriously do you think it makes any differences to be on the brakes???
>>
>> Didier Blouzard
>> +33 6 2424 3672
>>
>> Le 23 oct. 2012 03:49, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h@shaw.ca> a crit
>> :
>>
>>> --> <samira.h@shaw.ca>
>>>
>>> I guess many of you have seen those tail-dragger videos of the "real"
>>> pros skidding their Harvards, Super Cubs, etc. on smooth lake water.
>>>
>>> Now here comes my question:
>>>
>>> Has anyone of you guys ever done it and do you have to be on or off
>>> the brakes.
>>>
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> Elmar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Skidding on glassy water |
This is again a very good example
of pack mentality on this list.
Some immature jokers make fun of a
serious posting and people join in like
sheep - and I thought you are pros.
For those who can read and understand
English, nobody has ever mentioned
tricycle undercarriage or the intention
to try the almost impossible.
The other day I have watched a pilot
(flying a tail-dragger) on YouTube who
suffered an engine failure and was able
to slow down his ditching by skidding on
the water surface. Needless to say he
didn't flip over and he survived without
a scratch.
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | Skidding on glassy water |
And if you wanted to have a serious conversation, then you should have
started with that premise. There was little harm in the banter, and it was
meant as such I'm sure.
As to your premise below, sorry, I'd take my chances with gear up given the
choice. It seems to me that you "might" be able to touch down softly enough
to hydroplane [pun intended] but if you don't you will flip.
My humble opinion... back to the banter and flamewars....
Bear
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Elmar & Manuela
Hegenauer
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:32 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
--> <samira.h@shaw.ca>
This is again a very good example
of pack mentality on this list.
Some immature jokers make fun of a
serious posting and people join in like
sheep - and I thought you are pros.
For those who can read and understand
English, nobody has ever mentioned
tricycle undercarriage or the intention
to try the almost impossible.
The other day I have watched a pilot
(flying a tail-dragger) on YouTube who
suffered an engine failure and was able
to slow down his ditching by skidding on the water surface. Needless to say
he didn't flip over and he survived without a scratch.
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | Re: Skidding on glassy water |
Well we fooled you.
Immature, that hurts.
That's how we roll here.
Bill
On Oct 23, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> This is again a very good example
> of pack mentality on this list.
>
> Some immature jokers make fun of a
> serious posting and people join in like
> sheep - and I thought you are pros.
>
> For those who can read and understand
> English, nobody has ever mentioned
> tricycle undercarriage or the intention
> to try the almost impossible.
>
> The other day I have watched a pilot
> (flying a tail-dragger) on YouTube who
> suffered an engine failure and was able
> to slow down his ditching by skidding on
> the water surface. Needless to say he
> didn't flip over and he survived without
> a scratch.
>
>
> cheers
>
> Elmar
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skidding on glassy water |
SES students are taught not to try to judge it at all ... you are looking off to
the side at the trees and you just let the plane fly itself onto the lake ...
when you do it right you see the splash and feel a slight deceleration.
Glassy lake landings can be very disorienting ...
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Goode [mailto:richard.goode@russianaeros.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 09:46 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
The real problem lies in judging your height above glassy water-VERY difficult!!
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
Sent: 23 October 2012 14:57
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
Wasn't there a video of the African flight team doing that in Harvards?
I don't think brakes would make a difference other than spinning your tires. Skipping
stones is skipping stones.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Skidding on glassy water |
I wish I can stay an immature joker as long as my short life allows me. There are
too many serious matter on this earth to be considered even if you don't want
to.
Finally amount these harmless jokes you have your serious answer.
This List is just fantastic.
Thanks people of the List, I love ya!
Didier Blouzard
+33 6 5184 4802
Le 23 oct. 2012 22:32, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h@shaw.ca> a crit :
>
> This is again a very good example
> of pack mentality on this list.
>
> Some immature jokers make fun of a
> serious posting and people join in like
> sheep - and I thought you are pros.
>
> For those who can read and understand
> English, nobody has ever mentioned
> tricycle undercarriage or the intention
> to try the almost impossible.
>
> The other day I have watched a pilot
> (flying a tail-dragger) on YouTube who
> suffered an engine failure and was able
> to slow down his ditching by skidding on
> the water surface. Needless to say he
> didn't flip over and he survived without
> a scratch.
>
>
> cheers
>
> Elmar
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skidding on glassy water |
Elmar,
I posted the NASA info on tire hydroplaining in hopes that all interested
would take time to read it. Once read the reader would discover that the
tire will actually form a wedge of water in front of it and will stop all
by itself.
Rather it's best to apply brakes when doing a water assisted beach landing
is up the PIC but I personally do not, because your are already tail high,
there is simply far to much chance of being to heavy on the brakes when you
hit the beach. If you back out of the power to soon and settle into say a
12 to 18 inches of water, even with 35 inch tires you may go on your back
if your on the brakes even a little bit. This fellow almost does exactly
that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21El16OPZoc&feature=fvwrel
Watch the color and reflection on the tires on the link below, you can see
them turn (become wet) as he rolls onto the water surface.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0fByofsZvo
Hope this answers your questions AND maybe opens a few eyes to the fact
that there is a whole other world of flying out there, which is equally
(may be more) demanding than formation flying. but as they say "one mans
punch is another man's poison". But if you are an adrenalin junky give it
a try, it's a blast.
As to rather I would ditch a CJ gear up or gear down, it would be gear up
without question.
Best from Omak,
Doug
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h@shaw.ca
> wrote:
> samira.h@shaw.ca>
>
> This is again a very good example
> of pack mentality on this list.
>
> Some immature jokers make fun of a
> serious posting and people join in like
> sheep - and I thought you are pros.
>
> For those who can read and understand
> English, nobody has ever mentioned
> tricycle undercarriage or the intention
> to try the almost impossible.
>
> The other day I have watched a pilot
> (flying a tail-dragger) on YouTube who
> suffered an engine failure and was able
> to slow down his ditching by skidding on
> the water surface. Needless to say he
> didn't flip over and he survived without
> a scratch.
>
>
> cheers
>
> Elmar
>
>
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| Subject: | Fwd: Contaminated Runway Operations - Russian Style |
Now this is hydroplaning 101. Talk about overcoming the coefficient of drag!
Doc
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> Subject: Contaminated Runway Operations - Russian Style
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CLnfoeY77LI
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Skidding on glassy water |
Richard;
Not particularly difficult assuming you have a reasonable distance ahead of
you. If you have a shoreline or other reference visible let down to
approx. 100 ft or less (depending on the available reference). Set up a
slightly nose up power descent of 75 FPM at your desired touch down speed
and hold that until contact. If on floats, full up elevator and idle power
on contact. If a boat read the POH. If wheels probably slight but timely
up elevator and increase power -- Don't know for sure, have not done that!
But did watch the video of the SA Harvard group many times. Very impressive
and well worth watching if still available on U tube.
Walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Goode
Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 9:46 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
<richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
The real problem lies in judging your height above glassy water-VERY
difficult!!
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
Sent: 23 October 2012 14:57
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Skidding on glassy water
Wasn't there a video of the African flight team doing that in Harvards?
I don't think brakes would make a difference other than spinning your tires.
Skipping stones is skipping stones.
Bill
On Oct 23, 2012, at 1:24 AM, Didier BLOUZARD <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
wrote:
> --> <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
>
> Ok keep the wife the car the dog. I would just like any planes or tools or
> M14P's you may have. Please don't take your Yak for the first (!!!)
> try!!!!
>
> Seriously do you think it makes any differences to be on the brakes???
>
> Didier Blouzard
> +33 6 2424 3672
>
> Le 23 oct. 2012 03:49, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h@shaw.ca> a
> crit :
>
>> --> <samira.h@shaw.ca>
>>
>> I guess many of you have seen those tail-dragger videos of the "real"
>> pros skidding their Harvards, Super Cubs, etc. on smooth lake water.
>>
>> Now here comes my question:
>>
>> Has anyone of you guys ever done it and do you have to be on or off
>> the brakes.
>>
>> Thank you in advance.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Elmar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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