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1. 12:54 AM - Hydraulic lock...........again? (Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer)
2. 01:10 AM - Re: Hydraulic lock...........again? (Richard Goode)
3. 01:17 AM - Flying the Wilga (Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer)
4. 05:39 AM - Re: Hydraulic lock...........again? (Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer)
5. 06:03 AM - Re: Hydraulic lock...........again? (George Coy)
6. 06:27 AM - Re: Flying the Wilga (Genzlinger, Reade)
7. 06:40 AM - Re: Flying the Wilga (George Coy)
8. 07:28 AM - Re: Flying the Wilga (Herb Coussons)
9. 09:37 AM - 2012 List of Contributors (Matt Dralle)
10. 11:08 AM - Re: Gills for a Yak 55 (doug sapp)
11. 12:48 PM - Re: Flying the Wilga (Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer)
12. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: Flying the Wilga (George Coy)
13. 01:07 PM - Re: Re: Flying the Wilga (William Halverson)
14. 01:49 PM - Re: Re: Flying the Wilga (Roger Kemp)
15. 02:16 PM - Re: Flying the Wilga (Cory Robin)
16. 04:55 PM - Re:Hydraulic lock...........again? (Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer)
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| Subject: | Hydraulic lock...........again? |
It seems that the majority of this list knows by
now how to prevent a hydraulic lock on our
aircraft, right?
But what happens if one wants to purchase an used
Yak, CJ or Wilga (with very low hours) from a non Yak-
List member? How can the buyer be sure that this air-
plane hadn't had a hydraulic lock in the last/recent
few hours?
Are there any reliable inspection procedures to detect/
determine a hydraulic lock, e.g. compression test,
measuring the travel distance of each piston, any
anomalies while pulling the prop through by hand,
excessive vibrations at certain rpm, ongoing oil smoke
while warming up the engine, etc.
Thank you in advance.
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | Hydraulic lock...........again? |
The short answer is that there's no totally certain method of confirming
that an engine has previously been damaged through hydraulic lock, simply
because of the range of damage that can occur.
At its worst, it will be a broken connecting Rod having flailed around in
the engine causing a huge amount of damage. At its best it can be a very
slightly bent connecting rod, which, almost certainly, will fail at some
stage. However this will be sooner rather than later, and if the engine does
a subsequent 10 hours without a problem, you can be pretty sure that there
is no underlying problem!
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Elmar & Manuela
Hegenauer
Sent: 10 December 2012 08:51
Subject: Yak-List: Hydraulic lock...........again?
--> <samira.h@shaw.ca>
It seems that the majority of this list knows by now how to prevent a
hydraulic lock on our aircraft, right?
But what happens if one wants to purchase an used Yak, CJ or Wilga (with
very low hours) from a non Yak- List member? How can the buyer be sure that
this air- plane hadn't had a hydraulic lock in the last/recent few hours?
Are there any reliable inspection procedures to detect/ determine a
hydraulic lock, e.g. compression test, measuring the travel distance of each
piston, any anomalies while pulling the prop through by hand, excessive
vibrations at certain rpm, ongoing oil smoke while warming up the engine,
etc.
Thank you in advance.
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | Flying the Wilga |
Hi again,
I might be in the market for a Wilga and
doing at the moment lots of homework
and research.
Here come some questions for the pros:
Has anybody of you guys flown and operated
a Wilga with a radial engine? Are they stable
and docile aircraft without any bad habits?
How is the flying and maintaining that ugly thing,
expensive or reasonable? I have seen them
also with mufflers so those must have a much
lower inside noise level - my dog will love that
part :-) How is the craftsmanship and the quality,
better - worse compared to the Yaks and CJs?
Are the PZL-104 reliable air-planes and where
can one obtain tagged and approved spare parts
(the Wilga is a certified aircraft in Canada!)?
What do you think about the new Wilga 2000
with the 300hp Li-Co-Ming flat engine (chinese
for Lycoming)? Some owners seem to be very
eager to sell their birds a.s.a.p., even with the
crankshaft AD already complied with?
Any constructive input on this matter is greatly
appreciated.
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | RE: Hydraulic lock...........again? |
Richard,
thank you for your expertise on this
matter, much appreciated.
I guess one still needs a certain amount
of luck when buying an used YAK, CJ or
Wilga, eh?
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | Hydraulic lock...........again? |
If you use the original Russian Top Dead Center tool and use a spacer and
properly install it, it can be used as a guide. More than 6 "tic" marks is a
probable indication of hydro lock.
To answer your other questions about Wilga, contact me off list as to flying
characteristics and reliability. (they are good but slow and require
different landing techniques). BUT the show stopper for you may be lack of
parts support for "certified" aircraft. EADS no longer supports the aircraft
and parts are very difficult to find. Simple things like brake pads for the
-80.
George Coy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Elmar & Manuela
Hegenauer
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:51 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Hydraulic lock...........again?
--> <samira.h@shaw.ca>
It seems that the majority of this list knows by now how to prevent a
hydraulic lock on our aircraft, right?
But what happens if one wants to purchase an used Yak, CJ or Wilga (with
very low hours) from a non Yak- List member? How can the buyer be sure that
this air- plane hadn't had a hydraulic lock in the last/recent few hours?
Are there any reliable inspection procedures to detect/ determine a
hydraulic lock, e.g. compression test, measuring the travel distance of each
piston, any anomalies while pulling the prop through by hand, excessive
vibrations at certain rpm, ongoing oil smoke while warming up the engine,
etc.
Thank you in advance.
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | Flying the Wilga |
Elmar:
My experience and opinions re: Wilga 104-80 after 8 years of ownership:
- typical eastern bloc aircraft - over engineered over built
- very well built - hand work is amazing
- very tough, very stable aircraft
- controls are very heavy but very responsive
- IA 14 R is essentially a de-rated version of M-14P 250 hp vs.
360 (some have installed the 360 - I've flow one - better climb but no
faster)
- very low compression - very easy to hand prop. Prop is 9"
longer than YK-52 paddle prop - same profile.
- maintenance is very typical. Mine was a 1994 model with very
little use when I got it. Had to replace the rubber tips on all the air
check valves, had to replace the air start distributer (I don't think
prior owner bled the snot valve very often), and replaced the generator
with an alternator. That's about it other than usual wear and tear.
- parts are not regularly available any more - there is a guy in
Florida that bought all the Mielex (original US distributor for PZL)
parts but don't know his status any more. Engine parts are available -
many are interchangeable with M-14p. Air system is similar to YK-52
except that it uses two 3 liter air bottles for air storage. The air is
for start only.
- climb at 64 kt, cruise at 88, descend at 64 and land at 54.
Only holds 48 gallons. My rule of thumb was 2 hours or 200 miles -
- brakes are hydraulic disc and are OK - not great, but
perfectly adequate
- the mufflers were a factory option for European noise
requirements - they do make it very quiet - I was told it costs about 3%
in performance.
- the landing gear is trailing link - very effective. It's a
baby on grass and a pig on pavement. The arm from mains to tail wheel
is very long so if you don't keep it straight it has a mind of its own.
- It feels like a lumbering giant and is very stable.
Visibility is great for rides.
I bought it because I had all the support gear already - same air hook
up, tools, many parts as Yak, etc. It came with boxes of spare parts,
control locks, covers, excellent manuals for all systems and the largest
wheel chocks I've ever seen. The seats are very comfortable, cockpit is
very spacious and you can stuff a lot of gear in the back. Gave it up
when we moved to Wyoming as it is not a great performer at 9000 plus
density altitudes. Went with the Super Cub and Husky.
I do not think PZL/EADS is directly supporting the 80. Don't know about
the 2000.
Reade
Reade Genzlinger
Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
215.914.0370
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Elmar &
Manuela Hegenauer
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 4:15 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Flying the Wilga
--> <samira.h@shaw.ca>
Hi again,
I might be in the market for a Wilga and doing at the moment lots of
homework and research.
Here come some questions for the pros:
Has anybody of you guys flown and operated a Wilga with a radial engine?
Are they stable and docile aircraft without any bad habits?
How is the flying and maintaining that ugly thing, expensive or
reasonable? I have seen them also with mufflers so those must have a
much lower inside noise level - my dog will love that part :-) How is
the craftsmanship and the quality, better - worse compared to the Yaks
and CJs?
Are the PZL-104 reliable air-planes and where can one obtain tagged and
approved spare parts (the Wilga is a certified aircraft in Canada!)?
What do you think about the new Wilga 2000 with the 300hp Li-Co-Ming
flat engine (chinese for Lycoming)? Some owners seem to be very eager to
sell their birds a.s.a.p., even with the crankshaft AD already complied
with?
Any constructive input on this matter is greatly appreciated.
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | Flying the Wilga |
We have acess to the Mielex spares. Unfortuantely, we cannot issue a Form 1
or 8130 necessary for Certified aircraft.
George Coy
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Genzlinger, Reade
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Flying the Wilga
--> <ReadeG@cairnwood.com>
Elmar:
My experience and opinions re: Wilga 104-80 after 8 years of ownership:
- typical eastern bloc aircraft - over engineered over built
- very well built - hand work is amazing
- very tough, very stable aircraft
- controls are very heavy but very responsive
- IA 14 R is essentially a de-rated version of M-14P 250 hp vs.
360 (some have installed the 360 - I've flow one - better climb but no
faster)
- very low compression - very easy to hand prop. Prop is 9"
longer than YK-52 paddle prop - same profile.
- maintenance is very typical. Mine was a 1994 model with very
little use when I got it. Had to replace the rubber tips on all the air
check valves, had to replace the air start distributer (I don't think prior
owner bled the snot valve very often), and replaced the generator with an
alternator. That's about it other than usual wear and tear.
- parts are not regularly available any more - there is a guy in
Florida that bought all the Mielex (original US distributor for PZL) parts
but don't know his status any more. Engine parts are available - many are
interchangeable with M-14p. Air system is similar to YK-52 except that it
uses two 3 liter air bottles for air storage. The air is for start only.
- climb at 64 kt, cruise at 88, descend at 64 and land at 54.
Only holds 48 gallons. My rule of thumb was 2 hours or 200 miles -
- brakes are hydraulic disc and are OK - not great, but perfectly
adequate
- the mufflers were a factory option for European noise requirements
- they do make it very quiet - I was told it costs about 3% in performance.
- the landing gear is trailing link - very effective. It's a baby
on grass and a pig on pavement. The arm from mains to tail wheel is very
long so if you don't keep it straight it has a mind of its own.
- It feels like a lumbering giant and is very stable.
Visibility is great for rides.
I bought it because I had all the support gear already - same air hook up,
tools, many parts as Yak, etc. It came with boxes of spare parts, control
locks, covers, excellent manuals for all systems and the largest wheel
chocks I've ever seen. The seats are very comfortable, cockpit is very
spacious and you can stuff a lot of gear in the back. Gave it up when we
moved to Wyoming as it is not a great performer at 9000 plus density
altitudes. Went with the Super Cub and Husky.
I do not think PZL/EADS is directly supporting the 80. Don't know about the
2000.
Reade
Reade Genzlinger
Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
215.914.0370
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Elmar & Manuela
Hegenauer
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 4:15 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Flying the Wilga
--> <samira.h@shaw.ca>
Hi again,
I might be in the market for a Wilga and doing at the moment lots of
homework and research.
Here come some questions for the pros:
Has anybody of you guys flown and operated a Wilga with a radial engine?
Are they stable and docile aircraft without any bad habits?
How is the flying and maintaining that ugly thing, expensive or reasonable?
I have seen them also with mufflers so those must have a much lower inside
noise level - my dog will love that part :-) How is the craftsmanship and
the quality, better - worse compared to the Yaks and CJs?
Are the PZL-104 reliable air-planes and where can one obtain tagged and
approved spare parts (the Wilga is a certified aircraft in Canada!)?
What do you think about the new Wilga 2000 with the 300hp Li-Co-Ming flat
engine (chinese for Lycoming)? Some owners seem to be very eager to sell
their birds a.s.a.p., even with the crankshaft AD already complied with?
Any constructive input on this matter is greatly appreciated.
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | Re: Flying the Wilga |
I have owned one as well as 2 yaks. There are a few unique traits to the wilga.
Easy once you understand especially with yak or cj experience. Feel free to call
me in the evenings. I will write a longer email for the group to see but easier
to talk to explain my experience. They are a fun airplane and very capable.
Build quality is excellent. Parts are not hard to come by. I had the 35A experimental
and recommend the same. The 80 is the certified w round engine. Only
useful if you need to operate commercially. I the 35 is half the money. I would
avoid the 2000. More money again. The ultimate is to put the m14 on a 35
:).
Herb 920-639-8434.
Sent from DrC@wscare.com on the iPhone. Please excuse spelling and autocorrect.
Siri makes mistakes :).
On Dec 10, 2012, at 3:15 AM, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Hi again,
>
> I might be in the market for a Wilga and
> doing at the moment lots of homework
> and research.
>
> Here come some questions for the pros:
>
> Has anybody of you guys flown and operated
> a Wilga with a radial engine? Are they stable
> and docile aircraft without any bad habits?
> How is the flying and maintaining that ugly thing,
> expensive or reasonable? I have seen them
> also with mufflers so those must have a much
> lower inside noise level - my dog will love that
> part :-) How is the craftsmanship and the quality,
> better - worse compared to the Yaks and CJs?
>
> Are the PZL-104 reliable air-planes and where
> can one obtain tagged and approved spare parts
> (the Wilga is a certified aircraft in Canada!)?
>
> What do you think about the new Wilga 2000
> with the 300hp Li-Co-Ming flat engine (chinese
> for Lycoming)? Some owners seem to be very
> eager to sell their birds a.s.a.p., even with the
> crankshaft AD already complied with?
>
> Any constructive input on this matter is greatly
> appreciated.
>
> cheers
>
> Elmar
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 2012 List of Contributors |
Dear Listers,
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ago and its time that I publish this year's List of Contributors. It is the
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I encourage you to visit their respective web sites:
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And finally, I'm proud to present The 2012 Fund Raiser List of Contributors:
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| Subject: | Re: Gills for a Yak 55 |
Peter,
If your cowl opening will accept the CJ6 outer gill ring which is 29 3/4
then it will work, if less your out of luck and will have to find a iris
type gill/shutter assy.
Best,
Doug
On Sun, Dec 9, 2012 at 7:02 AM, Peter Miramon <miramon@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Group,
>
> I just recently purchased a Yak 55M that has been based in the South and
> is missing a set of Gills. Looking to purchase a set if anyone has any or
> they know of someone that does. I Spoke with Doug Sapp and he can get a set
> for a CJ 6 but we are not sure if they will work on a yak 55.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Peter Miramon
> Salem Oregon
> 503 705-8530
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Flying the Wilga |
Thank you everybody for your input, very
informative and helpful.
Thanks to some politicians in the US Government
Canadian warbirds are prohibited from crossing
the border unless one is going to an air-show or
has an invitation of a museum/exhibition. In and
out in a very small time frame and of course direct
flight only. If one does not comply the threat is
shooting one down and unfortunately this is not a joke.
I wanted to do a trip to CA and my aircraft got rejected :-(
The solution is to buy a certified aircraft like the Wilga, no
major problems in crossing the border except the usual
tedious procedures.
Thank you again.
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | RE: Flying the Wilga |
It has been that way for a long time and works both ways. I used to have to
get special flight permits to bring my AN2 or Yak-52 to Canadian fly in's.
Our FBO is 7 miles from the Canadian border and we often get our pilots
chased in by the customs and border patrol. We get several call a month from
homeland security about aircraft that have recently landed and were
somewhere near the Border during their flight here.
George
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Elmar & Manuela
Hegenauer
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:46 PM
Subject: Yak-List: RE: Flying the Wilga
--> <samira.h@shaw.ca>
Thank you everybody for your input, very informative and helpful.
Thanks to some politicians in the US Government Canadian warbirds are
prohibited from crossing the border unless one is going to an air-show or
has an invitation of a museum/exhibition. In and out in a very small time
frame and of course direct flight only. If one does not comply the threat is
shooting one down and unfortunately this is not a joke.
I wanted to do a trip to CA and my aircraft got rejected :-(
The solution is to buy a certified aircraft like the Wilga, no major
problems in crossing the border except the usual tedious procedures.
Thank you again.
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Flying the Wilga |
So YK-52's can't fly from Canada to the USA?
They consider that to be a 'warbird'?
Or is it any kind of experimental a/c?
On 12/10/2012 12:46 PM, Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer wrote:
> <samira.h@shaw.ca>
>
> Thank you everybody for your input, very
> informative and helpful.
>
> Thanks to some politicians in the US Government
> Canadian warbirds are prohibited from crossing
> the border unless one is going to an air-show or
> has an invitation of a museum/exhibition. In and
> out in a very small time frame and of course direct
> flight only. If one does not comply the threat is
> shooting one down and unfortunately this is not a joke.
> I wanted to do a trip to CA and my aircraft got rejected :-(
>
> The solution is to buy a certified aircraft like the Wilga, no
> major problems in crossing the border except the usual
> tedious procedures.
>
> Thank you again.
>
> cheers
>
> Elmar
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Flying the Wilga |
Welcome to the USSA!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
>From: Elmar & Manuela Hegenauer <samira.h@shaw.ca>
>Sent: Dec 10, 2012 2:46 PM
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Yak-List: RE: Flying the Wilga
>
>
>Thank you everybody for your input, very
>informative and helpful.
>
>Thanks to some politicians in the US Government
>Canadian warbirds are prohibited from crossing
>the border unless one is going to an air-show or
>has an invitation of a museum/exhibition. In and
>out in a very small time frame and of course direct
>flight only. If one does not comply the threat is
>shooting one down and unfortunately this is not a joke.
>I wanted to do a trip to CA and my aircraft got rejected :-(
>
>The solution is to buy a certified aircraft like the Wilga, no
>major problems in crossing the border except the usual
>tedious procedures.
>
>Thank you again.
>
>cheers
>
>Elmar
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying the Wilga |
I currently own a Wilga. (wilgabeast.com)
If you have any specific questions not answered here, let me know!
801.599.7715
I love my Wilga!
Cory.
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 7:24 AM, Genzlinger, Reade <ReadeG@cairnwood.com>wrote:
>
> Elmar:
>
> My experience and opinions re: Wilga 104-80 after 8 years of ownership:
> - typical eastern bloc aircraft - over engineered over built
> - very well built - hand work is amazing
> - very tough, very stable aircraft
> - controls are very heavy but very responsive
> - IA 14 R is essentially a de-rated version of M-14P 250 hp vs.
> 360 (some have installed the 360 - I've flow one - better climb but no
> faster)
> - very low compression - very easy to hand prop. Prop is 9"
> longer than YK-52 paddle prop - same profile.
> - maintenance is very typical. Mine was a 1994 model with very
> little use when I got it. Had to replace the rubber tips on all the air
> check valves, had to replace the air start distributer (I don't think
> prior owner bled the snot valve very often), and replaced the generator
> with an alternator. That's about it other than usual wear and tear.
> - parts are not regularly available any more - there is a guy in
> Florida that bought all the Mielex (original US distributor for PZL)
> parts but don't know his status any more. Engine parts are available -
> many are interchangeable with M-14p. Air system is similar to YK-52
> except that it uses two 3 liter air bottles for air storage. The air is
> for start only.
> - climb at 64 kt, cruise at 88, descend at 64 and land at 54.
> Only holds 48 gallons. My rule of thumb was 2 hours or 200 miles -
> - brakes are hydraulic disc and are OK - not great, but
> perfectly adequate
> - the mufflers were a factory option for European noise
> requirements - they do make it very quiet - I was told it costs about 3%
> in performance.
> - the landing gear is trailing link - very effective. It's a
> baby on grass and a pig on pavement. The arm from mains to tail wheel
> is very long so if you don't keep it straight it has a mind of its own.
>
> - It feels like a lumbering giant and is very stable.
> Visibility is great for rides.
>
> I bought it because I had all the support gear already - same air hook
> up, tools, many parts as Yak, etc. It came with boxes of spare parts,
> control locks, covers, excellent manuals for all systems and the largest
> wheel chocks I've ever seen. The seats are very comfortable, cockpit is
> very spacious and you can stuff a lot of gear in the back. Gave it up
> when we moved to Wyoming as it is not a great performer at 9000 plus
> density altitudes. Went with the Super Cub and Husky.
>
> I do not think PZL/EADS is directly supporting the 80. Don't know about
> the 2000.
>
> Reade
>
> Reade Genzlinger
> Cairnwood Cooperative Corporation
> 215.914.0370
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Elmar &
> Manuela Hegenauer
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 4:15 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Flying the Wilga
>
> --> <samira.h@shaw.ca>
>
> Hi again,
>
> I might be in the market for a Wilga and doing at the moment lots of
> homework and research.
>
> Here come some questions for the pros:
>
> Has anybody of you guys flown and operated a Wilga with a radial engine?
> Are they stable and docile aircraft without any bad habits?
> How is the flying and maintaining that ugly thing, expensive or
> reasonable? I have seen them also with mufflers so those must have a
> much lower inside noise level - my dog will love that part :-) How is
> the craftsmanship and the quality, better - worse compared to the Yaks
> and CJs?
>
> Are the PZL-104 reliable air-planes and where can one obtain tagged and
> approved spare parts (the Wilga is a certified aircraft in Canada!)?
>
> What do you think about the new Wilga 2000 with the 300hp Li-Co-Ming
> flat engine (chinese for Lycoming)? Some owners seem to be very eager to
> sell their birds a.s.a.p., even with the crankshaft AD already complied
> with?
>
> Any constructive input on this matter is greatly appreciated.
>
> cheers
>
> Elmar
>
>
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George,
thanks for the hint - excellent idea.
cheers
Elmar
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