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1. 05:20 AM - Flying in Winter (Dr. Robert Schroeder)
2. 06:13 AM - Re: Flying in Winter (Bill Geipel)
3. 07:15 AM - Re: Flying in Winter (desmor944@aol.com)
4. 07:22 AM - Re: Flying in Winter (doug sapp)
5. 11:21 AM - Re: Flying in Winter (Adrian Coop Cooper)
6. 01:56 PM - Flying in Winter (Cpayne)
7. 02:02 PM - Re: Flying in Winter (cjpilot710@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Flying in Winter |
Happy Holidays Yaksters..
Kelley and I have been discussing the perils of flying CJ's in the winter.
I brought up the oil temperatures and the need to block the air intake for
the oil cooler.
How can this be effectively accomplished?
He, being the wise one offered this heart stopping thought: "What about the
freezing of water/oil slurry in the pneumatic system? Could this be why the
Chinese don't fly CJ's in the winter?"
"What happens if any of the actuators get moisture in it and fails to
function..."
So, I pose these questions to you all. Can CJ's be flown without worry of
freeze-up in the winter.excluding the pilot..?
Ever the rookie.and
Standing by in "only getting colder Minnesota"
ras
Dr. Robert A. Schroeder
Schroeder Fire Inc.
612.922.2349
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| Subject: | Re: Flying in Winter |
I moved to warmer climate. Never had a problem since.
Merry Christmas
Bill
On Dec 22, 2012, at 6:17 AM, "Dr. Robert Schroeder" <Firedog@visi.com> wrote
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> Happy Holidays Yaksters.
>
> Kelley and I have been discussing the perils of flying CJ=99s in the
winter. I brought up the oil temperatures and the need to block the air in
take for the oil cooler.
> How can this be effectively accomplished?
>
> He, being the wise one offered this heart stopping thought: =9CWhat a
bout the freezing of water/oil slurry in the pneumatic system? Could this b
e why the Chinese don=99t fly CJ=99s in the winter?=9D
> =9CWhat happens if any of the actuators get moisture in it and fails
to function..=9D
>
> So, I pose these questions to you all. Can CJ=99s be flown without w
orry of freeze-up in the winterexcluding the pilot.?
>
> Ever the rookieand
> Standing by in =9Conly getting colder Minnesota=9D
> ras
>
> Dr. Robert A. Schroeder
> Schroeder Fire Inc.
> 612.922.2349
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flying in Winter |
Robert,
I have been flying my CJ through the last 12 New England winters without i
ssue. Biggest problem is taxiing on snow or sinking into thawing ground.
Doug Sapp makes a very nice kit for the oil cooler inlet duct. It includes
a screen to keep debris out of the duct year round, and a removable, adjus
table restricter plate for the winter. A photo is attached. It does a goo
d job of keeping the oil temperature where it should be,
I'll turn the hangar heat on a few hours before the pre-flight, and have no
problem starting or getting the oil circulating. For the pilot, get a CWU
-64/P winter nomex flight suit. These show up as surplus on occasion. I am
still running the original generator, so with excess available electrical
power, there is a 24 volt quartz heater under the rear panel for the passen
ger. With a bright sun shining in through the plexiglass canopy, this comb
ination has been comfortable down to 10 DegF.
Be religious about draining the snot bottle and brake drain. I have not ex
perienced any freezing problems.
Quahog
-----Original Message-----
From: Dr. Robert Schroeder <Firedog@visi.com>
Sent: Sat, Dec 22, 2012 8:20 am
Subject: Yak-List: Flying in Winter
Happy Holidays Yaksters.
Kelley and I have been discussing the perils of flying CJ=99s in the
winter. I brought up the oil temperatures and the need to block the air in
take for the oil cooler.
How can this be effectively accomplished?
He, being the wise one offered this heart stopping thought: =9CWhat a
bout the freezing of water/oil slurry in the pneumatic system? Could this
be why the Chinese don=99t fly CJ=99s in the winter?=9D
=9CWhat happens if any of the actuators get moisture in it and fails
to function..=9D
So, I pose these questions to you all. Can CJ=99s be flown without w
orry of freeze-up in the winterexcluding the pilot.?
Ever the rookieand
Standing by in =9Conly getting colder Minnesota=9D
ras
Dr. Robert A. Schroeder
Schroeder Fire Inc.
612.922.2349
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| Subject: | Re: Flying in Winter |
Robert,
I have a few of the CJ winterization kits in inventory, fits into the wing
oil cooler duct also comes with a FOD screen to prevent trash from being
placed into your duct while at a airshow. I built this screen after
finding a paper coke cup and a burger wrapper in my oil cooler duct during
preflight just before leaving a air show. These will not fit the Yak 52.
Also have some of the Chinese insulated cowl wraps which fit CJ or Yak,
they are fitted to cover the cowl.
Contact me off list if interested.
Best Christmas greetings from our house to yours,
Doug and Kathleen
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Dr. Robert Schroeder <Firedog@visi.com>wro
te:
> Happy Holidays Yaksters=85.****
>
> ** **
>
> Kelley and I have been discussing the perils of flying CJ=92s in the
> winter. I brought up the oil temperatures and the need to block the air
> intake for the oil cooler.****
>
> How can this be effectively accomplished?****
>
> ** **
>
> He, being the wise one offered this heart stopping thought: =93What about
> the freezing of water/oil slurry in the pneumatic system? Could this be
> why the Chinese don=92t fly CJ=92s in the winter?=94****
>
> =93What happens if any of the actuators get moisture in it and fails to
> function=85..=94****
>
> ** **
>
> So, I pose these questions to you all. Can CJ=92s be flown without worry
of
> freeze-up in the winter=85excluding the pilot=85.?****
>
> ** **
>
> Ever the rookie=85and****
>
> Standing by in =93only getting colder Minnesota=94 ****
>
> ras ****
>
> ** **
>
> Dr. Robert A. Schroeder****
>
> Schroeder Fire Inc.****
>
> 612.922.2349****
>
> ** **
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| Subject: | Re: Flying in Winter |
Quahog.
Please tell us more about the 24 volt quartz heater. Brand, where you got it, that
sort of thing. Photo(s) would be great. It's not that cold up here in Vancouver
but the damp really gets to a person.
Thanks.
Coop.
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Coop
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| Subject: | Flying in Winter |
Winter Flying in Florida is no big deal. After shoveling 12 inches of Sunshine
away from the hanger door, I merely close the canopy on takeoff. In severely cold
weather, I close the air vent too.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Flying in Winter |
In a message dated 12/22/2012 4:56:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cpayne@joimail.com writes:
Winter Flying in Florida is no big deal. After shoveling 12 inches of
Sunshine away from the hanger door, I merely close the canopy on takeoff. In
severely cold weather, I close the air vent too.
Craig Payne
Boy! an't that the truth! If wanted man to be in the snow and ice, He'd
put long hair all over his body.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby (Fellow Floridaian)
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