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1. 04:04 AM - Flying in Winter (Dr. Robert Schroeder)
2. 07:18 AM - Re: Flying in Winter (Bill Geipel)
3. 05:39 PM - Re: Yak-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 12/22/12 (Skip)
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| Subject: | Flying in Winter |
Yaksters,
Thank you for your comments and guidance. Winter can be long and cold here
in MN.
Flying can psychologically shorten the duration of this period. I'm going
to implement these suggestions.
Happy Holidays to all..
Robert
Dr. Robert A. Schroeder
Schroeder Fire Inc.
612.922.2349
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| Subject: | Re: Flying in Winter |
The moving part?
Bill
On Dec 23, 2012, at 5:01 AM, "Dr. Robert Schroeder" <Firedog@visi.com> wrote
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> Yaksters,
>
> Thank you for your comments and guidance. Winter can be long and cold her
e in MN.
> Flying can psychologically shorten the duration of this period. I=99
m going to implement these suggestions.
>
> Happy Holidays to all.
> Robert
>
>
> Dr. Robert A. Schroeder
> Schroeder Fire Inc.
> 612.922.2349
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 12/22/12 |
Florida Phlyers. Phooey.
I've flown my CJ since 96 in Mountain winters, six years in Montana and eleven
years in Utah, no problems. Get Doug's restrictor plate for oil cooler inlet and
give yourself time to warm up the CHT and oil temp. Go fly and enjoy. Maybe
electric socks....
Skip Slyfield
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> 1. 05:20 AM - Flying in Winter (Dr. Robert Schroeder)
> 2. 06:13 AM - Re: Flying in Winter (Bill Geipel)
> 3. 07:15 AM - Re: Flying in Winter (desmor944@aol.com)
> 4. 07:22 AM - Re: Flying in Winter (doug sapp)
> 5. 11:21 AM - Re: Flying in Winter (Adrian Coop Cooper)
> 6. 01:56 PM - Flying in Winter (Cpayne)
> 7. 02:02 PM - Re: Flying in Winter (cjpilot710@aol.com)
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> Time: 05:20:12 AM PST US
> From: "Dr. Robert Schroeder" <Firedog@visi.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Flying in Winter
>
> Happy Holidays Yaksters..
>
>
> Kelley and I have been discussing the perils of flying CJ's in the winter.
> I brought up the oil temperatures and the need to block the air intake for
> the oil cooler.
>
> How can this be effectively accomplished?
>
>
> He, being the wise one offered this heart stopping thought: "What about the
> freezing of water/oil slurry in the pneumatic system? Could this be why the
> Chinese don't fly CJ's in the winter?"
>
> "What happens if any of the actuators get moisture in it and fails to
> function..."
>
>
> So, I pose these questions to you all. Can CJ's be flown without worry of
> freeze-up in the winter.excluding the pilot..?
>
>
> Ever the rookie.and
>
> Standing by in "only getting colder Minnesota"
>
> ras
>
>
> Dr. Robert A. Schroeder
>
> Schroeder Fire Inc.
>
> 612.922.2349
>
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> Time: 06:13:02 AM PST US
> From: Bill Geipel <czech6@mesanetworks.net>
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Flying in Winter
>
> I moved to warmer climate. Never had a problem since.
>
> Merry Christmas
>
> Bill
>
>
> On Dec 22, 2012, at 6:17 AM, "Dr. Robert Schroeder" <Firedog@visi.com> wrote
> :
>
>> Happy Holidays Yaksters.
>>
>> Kelley and I have been discussing the perils of flying CJ=99s in the
> winter. I brought up the oil temperatures and the need to block the air in
> take for the oil cooler.
>> How can this be effectively accomplished?
>>
>> He, being the wise one offered this heart stopping thought: =9CWhat a
> bout the freezing of water/oil slurry in the pneumatic system? Could this b
> e why the Chinese don=99t fly CJ=99s in the winter?=9D
>> =9CWhat happens if any of the actuators get moisture in it and fails
> to function..=9D
>>
>> So, I pose these questions to you all. Can CJ=99s be flown without w
> orry of freeze-up in the winterexcluding the pilot.?
>>
>> Ever the rookieand
>> Standing by in =9Conly getting colder Minnesota=9D
>> ras
>>
>> Dr. Robert A. Schroeder
>> Schroeder Fire Inc.
>> 612.922.2349
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> Time: 07:15:03 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Flying in Winter
> From: desmor944@aol.com
>
>
> Robert,
>
> I have been flying my CJ through the last 12 New England winters without i
> ssue. Biggest problem is taxiing on snow or sinking into thawing ground.
>
> Doug Sapp makes a very nice kit for the oil cooler inlet duct. It includes
> a screen to keep debris out of the duct year round, and a removable, adjus
> table restricter plate for the winter. A photo is attached. It does a goo
> d job of keeping the oil temperature where it should be,
>
> I'll turn the hangar heat on a few hours before the pre-flight, and have no
> problem starting or getting the oil circulating. For the pilot, get a CWU
> -64/P winter nomex flight suit. These show up as surplus on occasion. I am
> still running the original generator, so with excess available electrical
> power, there is a 24 volt quartz heater under the rear panel for the passen
> ger. With a bright sun shining in through the plexiglass canopy, this comb
> ination has been comfortable down to 10 DegF.
>
> Be religious about draining the snot bottle and brake drain. I have not ex
> perienced any freezing problems.
>
> Quahog
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dr. Robert Schroeder <Firedog@visi.com>
> Sent: Sat, Dec 22, 2012 8:20 am
> Subject: Yak-List: Flying in Winter
>
>
> Happy Holidays Yaksters.
>
> Kelley and I have been discussing the perils of flying CJ=99s in the
> winter. I brought up the oil temperatures and the need to block the air in
> take for the oil cooler.
> How can this be effectively accomplished?
>
> He, being the wise one offered this heart stopping thought: =9CWhat a
> bout the freezing of water/oil slurry in the pneumatic system? Could this
> be why the Chinese don=99t fly CJ=99s in the winter?=9D
> =9CWhat happens if any of the actuators get moisture in it and fails
> to function..=9D
>
> So, I pose these questions to you all. Can CJ=99s be flown without w
> orry of freeze-up in the winterexcluding the pilot.?
>
> Ever the rookieand
> Standing by in =9Conly getting colder Minnesota=9D
> ras
>
> Dr. Robert A. Schroeder
> Schroeder Fire Inc.
> 612.922.2349
>
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> Time: 07:22:47 AM PST US
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Flying in Winter
> From: doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
>
> Robert,
> I have a few of the CJ winterization kits in inventory, fits into the wing
> oil cooler duct also comes with a FOD screen to prevent trash from being
> placed into your duct while at a airshow. I built this screen after
> finding a paper coke cup and a burger wrapper in my oil cooler duct during
> preflight just before leaving a air show. These will not fit the Yak 52.
>
> Also have some of the Chinese insulated cowl wraps which fit CJ or Yak,
> they are fitted to cover the cowl.
>
> Contact me off list if interested.
>
> Best Christmas greetings from our house to yours,
> Doug and Kathleen
>
> On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 5:17 AM, Dr. Robert Schroeder <Firedog@visi.com>wro
> te:
>
>> Happy Holidays Yaksters=85.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Kelley and I have been discussing the perils of flying CJ=92s in the
>> winter. I brought up the oil temperatures and the need to block the air
>> intake for the oil cooler.****
>>
>> How can this be effectively accomplished?****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> He, being the wise one offered this heart stopping thought: =93What about
>> the freezing of water/oil slurry in the pneumatic system? Could this be
>> why the Chinese don=92t fly CJ=92s in the winter?=94****
>>
>> =93What happens if any of the actuators get moisture in it and fails to
>> function=85..=94****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> So, I pose these questions to you all. Can CJ=92s be flown without worry
> of
>> freeze-up in the winter=85excluding the pilot=85.?****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Ever the rookie=85and****
>>
>> Standing by in =93only getting colder Minnesota=94 ****
>>
>> ras ****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Dr. Robert A. Schroeder****
>>
>> Schroeder Fire Inc.****
>>
>> 612.922.2349****
>>
>> ** **
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> Time: 11:21:36 AM PST US
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Flying in Winter
> From: "Adrian Coop Cooper" <cooperairracing@gmail.com>
>
>
> Quahog.
> Please tell us more about the 24 volt quartz heater. Brand, where you got it,
that
> sort of thing. Photo(s) would be great. It's not that cold up here in Vancouver
> but the damp really gets to a person.
> Thanks.
> Coop.
>
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> Coop
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=390822#390822
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> Time: 01:56:28 PM PST US
> From: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
> Subject: Yak-List: Flying in Winter
>
>
> Winter Flying in Florida is no big deal. After shoveling 12 inches of Sunshine
> away from the hanger door, I merely close the canopy on takeoff. In severely
cold
> weather, I close the air vent too.
>
> Craig Payne
>
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> Time: 02:02:02 PM PST US
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Flying in Winter
>
>
> In a message dated 12/22/2012 4:56:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> cpayne@joimail.com writes:
>
> Winter Flying in Florida is no big deal. After shoveling 12 inches of
> Sunshine away from the hanger door, I merely close the canopy on takeoff. In
> severely cold weather, I close the air vent too.
>
> Craig Payne
>
>
> Boy! an't that the truth! If wanted man to be in the snow and ice, He'd
> put long hair all over his body.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby (Fellow Floridaian)
>
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