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1. 04:02 AM - Re: European registration/certification (Etienne Verhellen)
2. 06:04 AM - Re: Valve Guide Reaming (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 06:08 AM - Re: Re: Valve Guide Reaming (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 06:49 AM - Re: Valve Guide Reaming (James Goolsby)
5. 07:04 AM - Re: Valve Guide Reaming (Vic)
6. 07:07 AM - The Phil Procedure or How I Reduced My Intake Oil Drainage (PS)
7. 07:11 AM - Re: Re: Valve Guide Reaming (George Coy)
8. 07:27 AM - Re: Re: Valve Guide Reaming (A. Dennis Savarese)
9. 07:29 AM - Re: Re: Valve Guide Reaming (A. Dennis Savarese)
10. 07:41 AM - Re: CJ Blade Antenna (Byron M Fox)
11. 07:47 AM - Re: European registration/certification (Vic)
12. 07:55 AM - Re: Valve Guide Reaming (Vic)
13. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: European registration/certification (lionel mougel)
14. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: Valve Guide Reaming (A. Dennis Savarese)
15. 08:05 AM - Re: Re: European registration/certification (William Halverson)
16. 08:17 AM - Re: Re: European registration/certification (Richard Goode)
17. 08:17 AM - Re: European registration/certification (Vic)
18. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: European registration/certification (Dr Andres Katz)
19. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: Valve Guide Reaming (Robin Hou)
20. 09:10 AM - Re: Re: Valve Guide Reaming (Walter Lannon)
21. 09:11 AM - Re: Valve Guide Reaming (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
22. 09:53 AM - Re: Valve Guide Reaming (Gill Gutierrez)
23. 10:20 AM - Re: CJ Blade antenna (Frank Stelwagon)
24. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: Valve Guide Reaming (Andrew Park)
25. 10:52 AM - Re: Valve Guide Reaming (A. Dennis Savarese)
26. 11:01 AM - Re: Re: Valve Guide Reaming (A. Dennis Savarese)
27. 11:08 AM - Re: Re: Valve Guide Reaming (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
28. 12:15 PM - Re: Re: European registration/certification (George Coy)
29. 01:44 PM - Re: CJ Blade Antenna (Egon)
30. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: Valve Guide Reaming (cjpilot710@aol.com)
31. 02:43 PM - Re: Re: European registration/certification (Didier Blouzard)
32. 03:13 PM - Re: Re: Valve Guide Reaming (William Halverson)
33. 03:24 PM - Re: Re: European registration/certification (Mark Davis)
34. 04:25 PM - Re: Re: Valve Guide Reaming (Roger Kemp M.D.)
35. 04:27 PM - Re: European registration/certification (Vic)
36. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: European registration/certification (Roger Kemp M.D.)
37. 04:34 PM - Re: Re: European registration/certification (Mark Davis)
38. 04:39 PM - Re: Re: European registration/certification (Roger Kemp M.D.)
39. 04:58 PM - Re: Re: European registration/certification (Mark Davis)
40. 05:45 PM - Re: Re: Valve Guide Reaming (Roger Kemp M.D.)
41. 05:52 PM - Re: Re: European registration/certification (Roger Kemp M.D.)
42. 07:18 PM - Here, Tkitty, Tkitty (William Halverson)
43. 11:22 PM - Re: Here, Tkitty, Tkitty (Didier BLOUZARD)
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| Subject: | Re: European registration/certification |
Initially posted under the wrong heading.
Should have been posted here :
Yak - Russian aircraft EUROPEAN Registration/Certification
==========================================
http://www.easa.eu.int/certification/faq/general-aviation-FAQ.php#11
Hello Didier !
Have just read in 'Aviation & Pilote' (Numero 469 - Fevrier 2013)
that a member of your association A.P.P.A.R.
http://www.net1901.org/association/ASSOCIATION-DE-PILOTES-PROPRIETAIRES-DAVIONS-RUSSES-APPAR,980665.html
Mr Dominique LUCAS
http://wonder-wings.fr/index.php?part=13
wants to drag the French CAA (DGAC) into Court :
'L'APPAR veut ester en justice'. (See below)
Definitely NOT a good idea.
Fact : the French CAA has grounded RA-xxxxK registerd Yaks.
Fact : the French CAA is working on a solution ...
https://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/dossier%5Caicfrancea%5CAIC_A_2012_08_FR.pdf
https://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/dossier%5Caicfrancea%5CAIC_A_2012_08_EN.pdf
Temporary Registration (F-WRxx) have been issued, like this one for instance to
Jacques PESCHEL (Andernos) :
F-WRUM issued to Yak-52 previously 'registered by FLA' RA-1808K
http://www.planecheck.com?ent=da&id=16085
http://www.planecheck.com/eu/image.asp?Imgname=16085/img011094172923.jpg
http://tagazous.free.fr/affichage2.php?img 360
Mr Benoit PINON and Thomas IACONO from the French CAA are trying to help !
If you guys think it will 'help' to drag these two gentlemen into court ...
you are wrong. BIG TIME.
They are solutions. They are Yaks currently flying in France ...
DGAC seems to accept Restricted Lithuanian C. of A. (equivalent to a 'Permit to
Fly'), for instance Yak-52
LY-ASQ (Olivier Vigneron - Haguenau LFSH) :
http://www.aileshistoriquesdurhin.fr/a%C3%A9ronefs/yakovlev-yak-52-ly-asq/#
And UK CAA 'Permit to Fly', for instance Yak-52 G-YYAK based at Lille-Lesquin :
http://www.pictaero.com/fr/pictures/picture,182997
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detailnosummary&fullregmark=YYAK
http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2010/g-ak100612/pdf/g-ak100612.pdf
http://www.flyredstar.org/gallery2/Yak/Lens2012.jpg
OSAC has recently issued CNRAC to Yak-50 of my friend Jan Mevis (F-AZUK) equipped
with a M-14R (450 HP!!), only one in the world !
http://www.pyperpote.tonsite.biz/patrimoines/images/stories/Patrimoine/aeronautique/meetings/compiegne2012/img_6853.jpg
and Yak-50 F-AZXK based at Compiegne-Margny (60) :
http://www.pyperpote.tonsite.biz/patrimoines/images/stories/Patrimoine/aeronautique/meetings/compiegne2012/img_6848.jpg
"F-AZUK","YAKOVLEV","YAK 50","801807","COMPIEGNE-MARGNY","MEVIS JAN","22/05/2012","
"F-AZXK","YAKOVLEV","YAK 50","863201","COMPIEGNE-MARGNY","KUYPERS PETER HENRICUS","22/05/2012",
(before "F-AZYO","YAKOVLEV","YAK 50","3201","CAEN CARPIQUET","LANGEARD OLIVIER","04/10/2004","11/12/2006","VENDU
A L'ETRANGER (PAYS BAS)")
They are quite a few Yaks with CNRAC in France :
"F-AZFG","YAKOVLEV","YAK 18 A","1609","ST RAMBERT D'ALBON","FRANCESCHETTI FRANCOIS","01/06/1988",
"F-AZYP","YAKOVLEV","YAK 50","2008","CHAVENAY-VILLEPREUX","INVERNIZZI PATRICE","28/06/2005",
"F-AZYZ","YAKOVLEV","YAK 50","2507","PONT SUR YONNE","ALLOUCHE ALEXANDRE","04/05/2007",
"F-AZZA","YAKOVLEV","YAK 50","2103","CHAVENAY-VILLEPREUX","DUMON NICOLAS"," etc
... etc ...
and with French Registration delivered by the French CAA
after compliance with the required maintenance prescribed by the Yakovlev Design
bureau. (YDB)
http://www.russianaeros.com/Yak-50%20Service%20Bulletins%20-%20list.htm
http://www.russianaeros.com/Yak-50%20Service%20Bulletins%20after%20crashes.htm
http://www.yakuk.com/MPD2002-009R1.pdf
http://www.yak.ru/ENG/MIX/contacts.php
Of course, it would make sense to have all the ALL the Yaks flying in Europe maintained
and operated under common agreed standards !
http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issues_original_363.pdf
http://www.emagazine.flightinternational.com/1Z4dd63f96463e4012.cde/page/downloadPDF.php?id=14895&pages=497523
http://www.easa.eu.int/certification/faq/general-aviation-FAQ.php#11
Maybe one day ! Don't hold your breath !
But attacking Mr Thomas IACONO and Me Benoit PINON from the French CAA (DGAC) is
CERTAINLY NOT GOING TO HELP your cause Didier !
Trust me on that one ! ;-)
This apply primarily to Yak-50/Yak-52 based in Europe.
By the way Didier, your Yak-18T has been certificated by CIS and qualify for SAS
and Restricted Certificates of Airworthiness. (idem for Su-29 and Su-31).
See EASA SPECIFIC AIRWORTHINESS SPECIFICATION !!!! (SAS):
http://www.easa.eu.int/certification/docs/sas/A.094/EASA-SAS-A.094_Su--31-02-21062011.pdf
http://www.easa.eu.int/certification/docs/sas/A.093/EASA-SAS-A.093_Su--29-02-21062011.pdf
http://www.easa.eu.int/certification/faq/general-aviation-FAQ.php#11
ENJOY your FLYING !
http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i352/Mark_Salter/IMG_2418_2.jpg
http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i352/Mark_Salter/Img_2406_2.jpg
http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i352/Mark_Salter/Img_2377_2.jpg
http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i352/Mark_Salter/IMG_2477_3_1.jpg
http://forums.airshows.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=46362
http://www.flyredstar.org/gallery2/Yak/Michae-de-Boer_48.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com/files/img_6467_photo_flying_days_zoersel_18_augustus_2012_frank_etienne_stephen_890.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com/files/2010_05_15_tom_houquet_10_942.jpg
http://www.airliners.net/photo/2216133/L/
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http://www.flyredstar.org/gallery2/Yak/IMG_9703-2.jpg
http://www.flyredstar.org/gallery2/Yak/EDOV_-_24_Sep_2008..JPG
http://www.flyredstar.org/gallery2/Yak/Heimo_Lamberg_011.jpg
http://www.flyredstar.org/gallery2/Yak/Etienne%20landing%20747-400..jpg
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394127#394127
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/easas_specific_airworthiness_specification_for_yak_18t__easa_sas_a093_su_29_02_21062011_144.pdf
http://forums.matronics.com//files/common_standards_to_maintain_russian_aircraft_in_europe_844.pdf
http://forums.matronics.com//files/iacono_pinon_dgac_appar_135.jpg
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| Subject: | Re: Valve Guide Reaming |
Pappy,
Can you explain how the "rope trick" will work when trying to ream a
valve guide with the cylinder in place on the engine?
In order to ream a valve guide, the valve must be completely removed
from the guide. The "rope trick" is used to keep a valve from dropping
out of the valve guide by stuffing the rope between the top of the
piston and the base of the valve.
FYI - On the M14 and Housai engines, if one brings the piston to TDC,
then release the valve keepers and springs, the valve can be moved all
the way down until it touches the top of the piston and there will still
be about 1/8"- 3/16" of the valve stem still protruding out the top of
the valve guide. This will allow you to grab the top of the valve stem
and pull the valve back into position. If you move the piston off of
TDC, the end of the valve stem will move down into the valve guide. So
be careful if you ever do this.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 2/11/2013 9:06 PM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> Yes the push rods will fall out on the bottom cylinders. Try to find
> away to hold them in place (maybe stuffing a clean rag around them.
> The "rope trick" should work.
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
> In a message dated 2/11/2013 8:58:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> rmhou@yahoo.com writes:
>
> I am wondering if the "rope trick" to ream valve guides on
> Lycoming and TCM engines would work on Huosai or M14?
> http://www.theleftseat.net/stickyvalvereaming.html
>
> If so, is there anything special one should look out for? For
> example, on number 5 & 6 cylinders, wouldn't their push rods fall
> out once rock arms were removed?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Robin
>
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| Subject: | Re: Valve Guide Reaming |
The "rope trick" is used to keep the valve from sliding down through the
guide and into the cylinder. By stuffing the rope into the combustion
chamber through the spark plug hole, the rope is between the piston and
the valve. This assumes the piston is already fairly close to TDC. So
when the valve spring and keepers are removed the valve slips down on to
the rope. Thus preventing the valve from dropping completely out of the
guide.
The "rope trick" is sometimes used when using a borescope look at the
valve and seat. It can also be used if you are planning on lapping a
valve without removing the cylinder.
I have never heard of using the rope trick to ream a valve guide because
the only way to ream a valve guide would be to drop the valve stem
completely out of the guide. Not a good idea with the cylinder
remaining in place on the engine.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 2/11/2013 9:53 PM, Vic wrote:
>
> Hi Robin,
>
> basically the rope trick itself should work. I used this for replacing valve
guide seals in car engines a few times. But in case of the M 14 these have 14mm
spark plug threads, 1.25mm pitch, not 3/4 " or 18mm, so with a 14mm exhaust
valve stem you wont be able to pull the valve stem through the spark hole to polish
the seized stem.
> But after feeling the rather sloppy fit of an M14 ex valve I would not believe
that this Lycontisaurus problem is common to M 14 radials as well. Anyone
knows more about this topic ??
> Sure I had stuck ex valves in earlier times on vintage motor bikes when I
put bronce guides in cast iron heads. But soon I found out that the bronce definitely
reduced its inner diameter with time - no carbon build up in the bore.
The reamer had to take quite a bit of bronce to restore the initial fit. So
I learned to bake the bronce before finish turning the guide, apply only minimal
press fit and provide extra clearance for the stem. And I lived happily ever
after ........
>
> Cheers
> Vic
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394119#394119
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Valve Guide Reaming |
Dennis,
You are correct. I didn't read the question and that the sticky valve was the
problem.
Pappy
Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun.
On Feb 12, 2013, at 9:01 AM, "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>
> Pappy,
> Can you explain how the "rope trick" will work when trying to ream a valve guide
with the cylinder in place on the engine?
>
> In order to ream a valve guide, the valve must be completely removed from the
guide. The "rope trick" is used to keep a valve from dropping out of the valve
guide by stuffing the rope between the top of the piston and the base of the
valve.
>
> FYI - On the M14 and Housai engines, if one brings the piston to TDC, then release
the valve keepers and springs, the valve can be moved all the way down until
it touches the top of the piston and there will still be about 1/8"- 3/16"
of the valve stem still protruding out the top of the valve guide. This will
allow you to grab the top of the valve stem and pull the valve back into position.
If you move the piston off of TDC, the end of the valve stem will move
down into the valve guide. So be careful if you ever do this.
>
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-285-6263
> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
> www.yak-52.com
> Skype - Yakguy1
>
> On 2/11/2013 9:06 PM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
>> Yes the push rods will fall out on the bottom cylinders. Try to find away to
hold them in place (maybe stuffing a clean rag around them. The "rope trick"
should work.
>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>> In a message dated 2/11/2013 8:58:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rmhou@yahoo.com
writes:
>>
>> I am wondering if the "rope trick" to ream valve guides on
>> Lycoming and TCM engines would work on Huosai or M14?
>> http://www.theleftseat.net/stickyvalvereaming.html
>>
>> If so, is there anything special one should look out for? For
>> example, on number 5 & 6 cylinders, wouldn't their push rods fall
>> out once rock arms were removed?
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> Robin
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Valve Guide Reaming |
Hi all,
I think Robin has specifically asked about a way to ream the guide in a case of
seizure and a stuck ex valve as often happens with Lycontisaurus flat engines.
So of course you need the rope trick to dismount all components of each valve
and drop it in the cylinder completely. After performing the reaming and polishing
the valve stem you need the rope trick once more to assemble the springs
and keys. This may be a successful procedure for flat engines but as I said
not possible on M 14s . The ex valve stem is too big to pass the spark plug thread
for polishing.
But what I would like to hear : Has anybody ever experienced a stuck ex valve
on an M 14 ?
Vic
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| Subject: | The Phil Procedure or How I Reduced My Intake Oil Drainage |
Warning, this procedure is for informational purposes only and may damage your
engine, impregnate your dog make you socially unacceptable.
This works for me, or maybe I am a little goofy but here goes....
I have owned 6 round engined aircraft, 5 Yaks and 1 CJ. I rarely have issues with
oil draining through my intake drain system like others. One evening after
studying the oil system I realized the positive displacement geared oil pump
pressurizes the check valve in the oil pump which may keep it from sealing well.
I always back my prop up(turn in reverse) to horizontal upon exiting the
cockpit. I usually move it at most a few inches. I feel, this relieves the pressure
on the check valve in the oil pump letting the check valve seal. I normally
lose very little oil, usually a couple ounces in weeks.
This is for information purposes and may be total BS.... but it works for me.
I am ready for a good flaming.... I posted this at the request of a Yak owner who
I taught my procedure.
Good Luck and no warranties expressed or implied.
Phil
--------
PS
Yeager:"Rules are for those who cannot make their own"
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| Subject: | Re: Valve Guide Reaming |
YES
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 10:02 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Valve Guide Reaming
Hi all,
I think Robin has specifically asked about a way to ream the guide in a case
of seizure and a stuck ex valve as often happens with Lycontisaurus flat
engines. So of course you need the rope trick to dismount all components of
each valve and drop it in the cylinder completely. After performing the
reaming and polishing the valve stem you need the rope trick once more to
assemble the springs and keys. This may be a successful procedure for flat
engines but as I said not possible on M 14s . The ex valve stem is too big
to pass the spark plug thread for polishing.
But what I would like to hear : Has anybody ever experienced a stuck ex
valve on an M 14 ?
Vic
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394133#394133
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| Subject: | Re: Valve Guide Reaming |
If one adds 1 quart of MMO to the oil and runs the engine normally for a
few hours, the MMO typically seems to eliminate a sticking valve.
Why would anyone want to ream a valve guide with the cylinder in place
on the case? The fine metal particles from the reaming would end up
inside the cylinder. And are you saying you pull the valve stem out of
the spark plug hole to polish the valve stem? Then the valve stem has to
be reinstalled in the guide with the cylinder in place? You have got to
be kidding, right? I'm not trying to sound sarcastic here, but before I
would ever attempt to do that, I'd remove the cylinder to do the job.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 2/12/2013 9:01 AM, Vic wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I think Robin has specifically asked about a way to ream the guide in a case
of seizure and a stuck ex valve as often happens with Lycontisaurus flat engines.
So of course you need the rope trick to dismount all components of each valve
and drop it in the cylinder completely. After performing the reaming and polishing
the valve stem you need the rope trick once more to assemble the springs
and keys. This may be a successful procedure for flat engines but as I said
not possible on M 14s . The ex valve stem is too big to pass the spark plug
thread for polishing.
> But what I would like to hear : Has anybody ever experienced a stuck ex valve
on an M 14 ?
>
> Vic
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394133#394133
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Valve Guide Reaming |
Sticking, but not stuck! MMO in the oil cured the problem.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 2/12/2013 9:09 AM, George Coy wrote:
>
> YES
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 10:02 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: Valve Guide Reaming
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> I think Robin has specifically asked about a way to ream the guide in a case
> of seizure and a stuck ex valve as often happens with Lycontisaurus flat
> engines. So of course you need the rope trick to dismount all components of
> each valve and drop it in the cylinder completely. After performing the
> reaming and polishing the valve stem you need the rope trick once more to
> assemble the springs and keys. This may be a successful procedure for flat
> engines but as I said not possible on M 14s . The ex valve stem is too big
> to pass the spark plug thread for polishing.
> But what I would like to hear : Has anybody ever experienced a stuck ex
> valve on an M 14 ?
>
> Vic
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394133#394133
>
>
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I've used the Chinese blade antenna for 11 years. Works fine, Egon. I don't, however,
have coax connector.
Blitz Fox
415-307-2405
On Feb 11, 2013, at 10:53 PM, "Egon" <egonmahr@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hiya All,
> Has anyone had any success hooking up a western radio to the standard CJ6 blade
antenna? Would anyone have a spare coax connector they could sell me for the
Chinese antenna?
> Cheers Egon.
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Hello,
EASA has issued a modified SAS 095 in February for the 18 T reducing the "lifetime"
from 5000 hours to 3500. Even though the Smolensk factory says 7000 hours
!!! So who is right ??? I can imagine who the guy is at EASA responsible for
this B.S. . Does anybody have an idea what the TO-1000 or -2000 checks mean as
shown in the Smolensk pages ? I will try to contact Yakovlev to get their view
of things.
As 52s and other Yaks except 18 T, 54 and 55, never had a certification so dont
expect to obtain unlimited flying in Europe or America (experimental). You
will have a Permit to Fly to be accepted by each NAA whenever you cross borders.
Some Yaks have returned to Lithuanian reg, some gone to San Marino in Italy,
and there is an attractive solution in Poland now, all to EASA standards. New
cerificates have been issued now for 18 Ts in the German register after dereg
from LY, no limitations but no commercial use. So maybe you might try an intermediate
registration elsewhere and force French CAA later to accept an "official"
dereg from there to have a new French Permit to Fly to EASA standards then.
Vic
http://easa.europa.eu/certification/products/SAS-aircraft.php
http://www.smaz.ru/eng/avia/services.php#jak18
http://www.smaz.ru/eng/avia/jak18t.php
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Hi Dennis,
not sure I would do this myself but the bloke in Robins link suggested this method
for flat engines. Just care to read the link on top of the thread.
Anyway it seems that stuck ex valves are not unknown in M 14s.
Vic
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Hi Vic ,
Could you tell a bit more about the Polish option ? Is that a possibility to base
the aircraft elsewhere like in UK for me for example ? The CAA here is as many
other authorities , long, expensive and no much common sense ... They are
talking also to rise the cost from april , only "project" is coming from the LAA
to transfer the Yak 52 under their supervision .
I'm quite interested to hear what's going on in Poland as like many other countries
over there , their feelings with aviation are a bit more ... let's developed.
Thanks, happy landings
Lio
Le 12 fvr. 2013 15:45, Vic <vicmolnar@aol.com> a crit :
>
> Hello,
>
> EASA has issued a modified SAS 095 in February for the 18 T reducing the "lifetime"
from 5000 hours to 3500. Even though the Smolensk factory says 7000 hours
!!! So who is right ??? I can imagine who the guy is at EASA responsible for
this B.S. . Does anybody have an idea what the TO-1000 or -2000 checks mean
as shown in the Smolensk pages ? I will try to contact Yakovlev to get their
view of things.
> As 52s and other Yaks except 18 T, 54 and 55, never had a certification so dont
expect to obtain unlimited flying in Europe or America (experimental). You
will have a Permit to Fly to be accepted by each NAA whenever you cross borders.
Some Yaks have returned to Lithuanian reg, some gone to San Marino in Italy,
and there is an attractive solution in Poland now, all to EASA standards.
New cerificates have been issued now for 18 Ts in the German register after dereg
from LY, no limitations but no commercial use. So maybe you might try an intermediate
registration elsewhere and force French CAA later to accept an "official"
dereg from there to have a new French Permit to Fly to EASA standards
then.
>
> Vic
>
> http://easa.europa.eu/certification/products/SAS-aircraft.php
>
> http://www.smaz.ru/eng/avia/services.php#jak18
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> http://www.smaz.ru/eng/avia/jak18t.php
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| Subject: | Re: Valve Guide Reaming |
You are correct. They are not uncommon in M14's. I would qualify
"stuck" though as a sticking exhaust valve, which I have personally
experienced and as I said, adding a quart of MMO to the oil tank and
running the engine normally seems to clear up this problem.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 2/12/2013 9:53 AM, Vic wrote:
>
> Hi Dennis,
>
> not sure I would do this myself but the bloke in Robins link suggested this method
for flat engines. Just care to read the link on top of the thread.
> Anyway it seems that stuck ex valves are not unknown in M 14s.
>
> Vic
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394141#394141
>
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How bizarre ... why do these various agencies think their opinions carry
more weight than the factory? Is this about liability and insurance?
If an a/c is inspected by a A/P against the manufacturer's standards,
what difference does it make what nation the inspection happens in?
On 2/12/2013 7:45 AM, Vic wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> EASA has issued a modified SAS 095 in February for the 18 T reducing the "lifetime"
from 5000 hours to 3500. Even though the Smolensk factory says 7000 hours
!!! So who is right ??? I can imagine who the guy is at EASA responsible for
this B.S. . Does anybody have an idea what the TO-1000 or -2000 checks mean
as shown in the Smolensk pages ? I will try to contact Yakovlev to get their
view of things.
> As 52s and other Yaks except 18 T, 54 and 55, never had a certification so
dont expect to obtain unlimited flying in Europe or America (experimental). You
will have a Permit to Fly to be accepted by each NAA whenever you cross borders.
Some Yaks have returned to Lithuanian reg, some gone to San Marino in Italy,
and there is an attractive solution in Poland now, all to EASA standards.
New cerificates have been issued now for 18 Ts in the German register after
dereg from LY, no limitations but no commercial use. So maybe you might try an
intermediate registration elsewhere and force French CAA later to accept an "official"
dereg from there to have a new French Permit to Fly to EASA standards
then.
>
> Vic
>
> http://easa.europa.eu/certification/products/SAS-aircraft.php
>
> http://www.smaz.ru/eng/avia/services.php#jak18
>
> http://www.smaz.ru/eng/avia/jak18t.php
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: European registration/certification |
The situation with certification/maintenance of the 18 T in Europe is quite
complex.
We had previously agreed with the European governing body, EASA, that the 18
T would have an "initial life" before overhaul of 5000 hours. However
responsibility for all light aircraft certification changed, and the new
person involved decided to speak to Yakovlev in Moscow to see what their "
official" view was.
The reply was that all 18 T needed a TOTAL overhaul every 1000 hours. So
this means complete disassembly done to the last component; everything to be
overhauled and then the aircraft reassembled as a new one. This is of course
traditional Russian procedure, and acceptable when they were trying to keep
300 million people employed, but absurd in the context of Western use and
accepted maintenance practice.
After quite a lot of effort we have persuaded Yakolev to accept a rather
less stringent alternative of a maintenance programme based on detailed
checks at 1000 and 2000 hour intervals. Nevertheless, as originally
published by Yakovlev, these are still, in my view, unnecessary demanding,
and so we are discussing the details to see if they can be modified, while
still retaining the same safety element.
I think you are wrong to suggest that there are "attractive solutions" in
other countries. The whole point about EASA is that, for good or bad, they
control aviation in Europe, and have established these specific maintenance
programs for the 18 T, and individual country authorities do not have the
ability to modify these at their discretion.
Of course, historically, most of these 18Ts were flown on the Russian
register. Some 12 years ago we obtained full certification in Hungary, this
being before the establishment of EASA, so most 18 Ts are registered there,
while a number continued with Russian registration. However most, if not all
countries are refusing to accept Russian registration, and, as yet some
countries have not worked out how to accept them under the EASA system. This
is why some countries are issuing temporary "permits to fly" while this is
being sorted out.
Frankly it is not a great situation, and Americans should feel extremely
lucky about their freedoms in these areas.
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic
Sent: 12 February 2013 15:45
Subject: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification
Hello,
EASA has issued a modified SAS 095 in February for the 18 T reducing the
"lifetime" from 5000 hours to 3500. Even though the Smolensk factory says
7000 hours !!! So who is right ??? I can imagine who the guy is at EASA
responsible for this B.S. . Does anybody have an idea what the TO-1000 or
-2000 checks mean as shown in the Smolensk pages ? I will try to contact
Yakovlev to get their view of things.
As 52s and other Yaks except 18 T, 54 and 55, never had a certification so
dont expect to obtain unlimited flying in Europe or America
(experimental). You will have a Permit to Fly to be accepted by each NAA
whenever you cross borders. Some Yaks have returned to Lithuanian reg, some
gone to San Marino in Italy, and there is an attractive solution in Poland
now, all to EASA standards. New cerificates have been issued now for 18 Ts
in the German register after dereg from LY, no limitations but no commercial
use. So maybe you might try an intermediate registration elsewhere and force
French CAA later to accept an "official" dereg from there to have a new
French Permit to Fly to EASA standards then.
Vic
http://easa.europa.eu/certification/products/SAS-aircraft.php
http://www.smaz.ru/eng/avia/services.php#jak18
http://www.smaz.ru/eng/avia/jak18t.php
Read this topic online here:
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Correction :
No Yak 54 or 55 but Sukhois 29 and 31 are cared for by EASA SAS rules 093 and 094
:
http://easa.europa.eu/certification/products/SAS-aircraft.php
Lio, please contact me vicmolnar att aol point comm
Vic
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wont last long, regulations are coming, including fees for flying, soon we
will be like the europeans=0Aregards to richard=0A=0Aandres =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
________________________________=0A From: Richard Goode <richard.goode@russ
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pean governing body, EASA, that the 18=0AT would have an "initial life" bef
ore overhaul of 5000 hours. However=0Aresponsibility for all light aircraft
certification changed, and the new=0Aperson involved decided to speak to Y
akovlev in Moscow to see what their "=0Aofficial" view was.=0A=0AThe reply
was that all 18 T needed a TOTAL overhaul every 1000 hours. So=0Athis means
complete disassembly done to the last component; everything to be=0Aoverha
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aditional Russian procedure, and acceptable when they were trying to keep
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persuaded Yakolev to accept a rather=0Aless stringent alternative of a mai
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see if they can be modified, while=0Astill retaining the same safety eleme
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| Subject: | Re: Valve Guide Reaming |
Thanks for all your replies.=0A=0ABy the way, reaming valve guides using "r
ope trick" without removing cylinders is in Lycoming Service Instruction 14
25C: http://www.lycoming.com/support/publications/service-instructions/pdfs
/SI1425a.pdf=0A=0AI have no desire (read, no knowledge) to try it on my Huo
sai, but was wondering if this procedure would work for our round engines.
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| Subject: | Re: Valve Guide Reaming |
Yes
-----Original Message-----
From: Vic
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 7:01 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Valve Guide Reaming
Hi all,
I think Robin has specifically asked about a way to ream the guide in a case
of seizure and a stuck ex valve as often happens with Lycontisaurus flat
engines. So of course you need the rope trick to dismount all components of
each valve and drop it in the cylinder completely. After performing the
reaming and polishing the valve stem you need the rope trick once more to
assemble the springs and keys. This may be a successful procedure for flat
engines but as I said not possible on M 14s . The ex valve stem is too big
to pass the spark plug thread for polishing.
But what I would like to hear : Has anybody ever experienced a stuck ex
valve on an M 14 ?
Vic
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| Subject: | Valve Guide Reaming |
Just FYI:
The "Rope Trick" was tried on my engine on cylinder number 2. It worked perfectly.
At least ... initially. Then compression went to really bad numbers, the
cylinder was pulled and three rings were found to be cracked. The conjecture
is that some material dropped down into the engine and caused the rings to crack.
The cylinder was removed and honed, new rings installed, etc.
My personal opinion is that I will never allow this method to be used again on
my engine. Since then I have run MMO in the fuel religiously, and in the oil
right before each oil change and have never had a problem since (about 600 hours).
In my view, sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and do things the
right way. Time consuming and painful as it might be, cleaning out a valve guide,
or re-surfacing a valve seat, simply should be done off aircraft and on
the bench.
Doing it with the "rope trick" does indeed make this task much easier to accomplish,
but it comes with some risks.
Mark Bitterlich
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp M.D.
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 22:34
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Valve Guide Reaming
Simple answer, yes. When the push rod is pulled from the tube watch out for the
tappet ( push rod cup) and spring that it sits on top of. They can fall out.
There are two of the little cup like creatures. One rides the lobe on the cam
plate. The spring fits in the center of both. The half most likely to fall out
sits at the tip of the push rod. Incidentally, these can come off from any of
the push rods. More likely on the gravity prone cylinders though.
Now do you really mean grind the valve seats? This is usually because the exhaust
valve is leaking on the compression test.
I hope you are not going to ream your valve guides. To replace valve guides you
will need to pull the cylinders. The rope trick will not work for that.
Doc
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On Feb 11, 2013, at 7:54 PM, Robin Hou <rmhou@yahoo.com> wrote:
I am wondering if the "rope trick" to ream valve guides on Lycoming and TCM engines would work on Huosai or M14? http://www.theleftseat.net/stickyvalvereaming.html
If so, is there anything special one should look out for? For example, on number
5 & 6 cylinders, wouldn't their push rods fall out once rock arms were removed?
Thanks in advance,
Robin
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| Subject: | Valve Guide Reaming |
If you do this on either the Huosai or M14, two things to watch for catching
and collecting all the rocker arm needle bearing and the lifter piston and
spring on any of the lower cylinders. I have used the rope trick to replace
valve seals and/or valve springs.
Gill
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robin Hou
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2013 6:54 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Valve Guide Reaming
I am wondering if the "rope trick" to ream valve guides on Lycoming and TCM
engines would work on Huosai or M14?
http://www.theleftseat.net/stickyvalvereaming.html
If so, is there anything special one should look out for? For example, on
number 5 & 6 cylinders, wouldn't their push rods fall out once rock arms
were removed?
Thanks in advance,
Robin
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| Subject: | RE: CJ Blade antenna |
IF you have the cable that was attached to the antenna cut it in half
and put a male PL-259 connector on the cut end. Then get a PL-259 to
BNC adapter and us it to connect your radio cable to the sort cable then
connect the original connector to the antenna. This assumes that your
radio is using RG-58 or similar cable.
Frank
CJ-6A N23021
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| Subject: | Re: Valve Guide Reaming |
Hate to sound inexperienced but what is MMO, what does it do, where can I get it
and what are the symptoms of a sticking Ex valve?
Andrew Park
New Zealand
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| Subject: | Re: Valve Guide Reaming |
Good advice Gill. As you said, the 'rope trick' will work when
replacing valve seals or valve springs. An alternative to the rope
trick is to pressurize the cylinder with standard shop pressure. That
usually will keep the valve in place while releasing the valve stem keepers.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 2/12/2013 11:51 AM, Gill Gutierrez wrote:
>
> If you do this on either the Huosai or M14, two things to watch for
> catching and collecting all the rocker arm needle bearing and the
> lifter piston and spring on any of the lower cylinders. I have used
> the rope trick to replace valve seals and/or valve springs.
>
> Gill
>
> *From:*owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robin Hou
> *Sent:* Monday, February 11, 2013 6:54 PM
> *To:* Yak List
> *Subject:* Yak-List: Valve Guide Reaming
>
> I am wondering if the "rope trick" to ream valve guides on Lycoming
> and TCM engines would work on Huosai or M14?
> http://www.theleftseat.net/stickyvalvereaming.html
>
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Good question. Marvel Mystery Oil.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
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On 2/12/2013 12:23 PM, Andrew Park wrote:
>
> Hate to sound inexperienced but what is MMO, what does it do, where can I get
it and what are the symptoms of a sticking Ex valve?
>
> Andrew Park
> New Zealand
>>
>>
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>
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MMO = Marvel Mystery Oil. Top end lubricant with many qualities that
have been the subject of some heated debates in the past on this forum.
I believe the achieves would contain quite a volume on the topic.
Sticky exhaust valves symptoms can run the gamut from having low
differential compression readings on the cylinder, to an actual "felt
miss". Usually the valve will stick partially open.
When the valve does stick partially open, the very hot exhaust gases
will escape past the valve seat and into the exhaust. This will
eventually erode the valve seat to where the valve will not seal at all,
even if you do manage to allow it to close. At this point, the valve
must be ground to resurface the seal, or in some cases the whole
cylinder must be replaced and/or repaired. It's kind of a bad thing.
Valve sticking is USUALLY caused by lead deposits on the valve. The
lead in the fuel is in a gaseous state after combustion. As the exhaust
valve opens, that gas is exposed to cooler temperatures, which can cause
it to "condense" (per se) on the cooler metal of the valve stem and/or
the exhaust path itself. This is the grey substance that you typically
see on the inside of exhaust stacks on your engine.
The idea is that by adding MMO to your fuel, it tends to keep the lead
from sticking to the exhaust stem and other areas. Whether it actually
does this is up for debate. Personally, it seems to have worked very
well for me.
Putting it in the OIL is an attempt to use it to break loose things that
are "stuck" as it also supposedly acts as a solvent. Again, I think it
works very well in that regard, others disagree.
Best of Luck,
Mark Bitterlich
p.s. There are other commercial products that can be added to fuel in
an attempt to keep the lead from being deposited on valves. Not cheap
by the way.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Park
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 13:24
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Valve Guide Reaming
Hate to sound inexperienced but what is MMO, what does it do, where can
I get it and what are the symptoms of a sticking Ex valve?
Andrew Park
New Zealand
>
>
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Richard, I thought Yalolev no longer existed....
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 11:14 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification
--> <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
The situation with certification/maintenance of the 18 T in Europe is quite
complex.
We had previously agreed with the European governing body, EASA, that the 18
T would have an "initial life" before overhaul of 5000 hours. However
responsibility for all light aircraft certification changed, and the new
person involved decided to speak to Yakovlev in Moscow to see what their "
official" view was.
The reply was that all 18 T needed a TOTAL overhaul every 1000 hours. So
this means complete disassembly done to the last component; everything to be
overhauled and then the aircraft reassembled as a new one. This is of course
traditional Russian procedure, and acceptable when they were trying to keep
300 million people employed, but absurd in the context of Western use and
accepted maintenance practice.
After quite a lot of effort we have persuaded Yakolev to accept a rather
less stringent alternative of a maintenance programme based on detailed
checks at 1000 and 2000 hour intervals. Nevertheless, as originally
published by Yakovlev, these are still, in my view, unnecessary demanding,
and so we are discussing the details to see if they can be modified, while
still retaining the same safety element.
I think you are wrong to suggest that there are "attractive solutions" in
other countries. The whole point about EASA is that, for good or bad, they
control aviation in Europe, and have established these specific maintenance
programs for the 18 T, and individual country authorities do not have the
ability to modify these at their discretion.
Of course, historically, most of these 18Ts were flown on the Russian
register. Some 12 years ago we obtained full certification in Hungary, this
being before the establishment of EASA, so most 18 Ts are registered there,
while a number continued with Russian registration. However most, if not all
countries are refusing to accept Russian registration, and, as yet some
countries have not worked out how to accept them under the EASA system. This
is why some countries are issuing temporary "permits to fly" while this is
being sorted out.
Frankly it is not a great situation, and Americans should feel extremely
lucky about their freedoms in these areas.
Richard Goode
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic
Sent: 12 February 2013 15:45
Subject: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification
Hello,
EASA has issued a modified SAS 095 in February for the 18 T reducing the
"lifetime" from 5000 hours to 3500. Even though the Smolensk factory says
7000 hours !!! So who is right ??? I can imagine who the guy is at EASA
responsible for this B.S. . Does anybody have an idea what the TO-1000 or
-2000 checks mean as shown in the Smolensk pages ? I will try to contact
Yakovlev to get their view of things.
As 52s and other Yaks except 18 T, 54 and 55, never had a certification so
dont expect to obtain unlimited flying in Europe or America
(experimental). You will have a Permit to Fly to be accepted by each NAA
whenever you cross borders. Some Yaks have returned to Lithuanian reg, some
gone to San Marino in Italy, and there is an attractive solution in Poland
now, all to EASA standards. New cerificates have been issued now for 18 Ts
in the German register after dereg from LY, no limitations but no commercial
use. So maybe you might try an intermediate registration elsewhere and force
French CAA later to accept an "official" dereg from there to have a new
French Permit to Fly to EASA standards then.
Vic
http://easa.europa.eu/certification/products/SAS-aircraft.php
http://www.smaz.ru/eng/avia/services.php#jak18
http://www.smaz.ru/eng/avia/jak18t.php
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Thanks Guys.
Read this topic online here:
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MMO or Marvel Mystery Oil, is a magic fluid sent down by the aviation gods
to mechanics to cure all ills. It is good pimples, ache, sterility, sticky
valves (all kinds), and is particularly tasteful mixed with bourbon and
water. It just happen to perform miracles mixed with gasoline or oil that
has been fucked up by the EPA. It has been know to give pilots a sense of
serenity over vast bodies of water, swamps, mountains, or at night. Next to
the navigator's sextant (which lead to the GPS), MMO has been responsible
for continued advancement of aviation. It good stuff.
Pappy
In a message dated 2/12/2013 2:01:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
Good question. Marvel Mystery Oil.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 2/12/2013 12:23 PM, Andrew Park wrote:
>
> Hate to sound inexperienced but what is MMO, what does it do, where can
I get it and what are the symptoms of a sticking Ex valve?
>
> Andrew Park
> New Zealand
>>
>>
>
>
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I spoke today with french CAA about the 18T and the problem as Richard
is saying is a european problem So if we don't find a solution with
this mamouth EASA we will have to register our 18T out of Europe
(Albania????) and hope that our local authorities accept a permit to
fly.
Let us speak with our local authorities and help Richard in his
negociation with EASA
It could be a good time to stick all very very close together all
YAK18T proprietor in Europe. Or forget to fly an 18T in Europe.
What a shame this EASA!!!
Let us try to buid something with our local CAA and hope that this
will help in the negociation with EASA
Good luck Richard we are with you
Didier
2013/2/12 Vic <vicmolnar@aol.com>:
>
> Correction :
>
> No Yak 54 or 55 but Sukhois 29 and 31 are cared for by EASA SAS rules 093 and
094 :
> http://easa.europa.eu/certification/products/SAS-aircraft.php
>
> Lio, please contact me vicmolnar att aol point comm
>
> Vic
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394145#394145
>
>
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Speaking of bourbon, has anyone used KROIL?
Similar smell to MMO as I recall.
-----Original Message-----
From: cjpilot710@aol.com [mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com]
MMO or Marvel Mystery Oil, is a magic fluid sent down by the aviation gods
to mechanics to cure all ills. It is good pimples, ache, sterility, sticky
valves (all kinds), and is particularly tasteful mixed with bourbon and
water. It just happen to perform miracles mixed with gasoline or oil that
has been fucked up by the EPA. It has been know to give pilots a sense of
serenity over vast bodies of water, swamps, mountains, or at night. Next to
the navigator's sextant (which lead to the GPS), MMO has been responsible
for continued advancement of aviation. It good stuff.
Pappy
In a message dated 2/12/2013 2:01:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
<dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
Good question. Marvel Mystery Oil.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
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Used the same logic with an NFO that flew with my during the winter time.
They wore so many clothes that they could hardly walk to climb into the jet.
I wore my flight suit and took off my jacket before I got into the airplane.
He asked me what my survival plan was if we had to punch out. I told him I
planned on shooting him with my pencil flares and just use his shit. Never
did tell him I wasn't serious.....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Didier Blouzard" <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:41 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification
> <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
>
> I spoke today with french CAA about the 18T and the problem as Richard
> is saying is a european problem So if we don't find a solution with
> this mamouth EASA we will have to register our 18T out of Europe
> (Albania????) and hope that our local authorities accept a permit to
> fly.
> Let us speak with our local authorities and help Richard in his
> negociation with EASA
>
> It could be a good time to stick all very very close together all
> YAK18T proprietor in Europe. Or forget to fly an 18T in Europe.
> What a shame this EASA!!!
>
> Let us try to buid something with our local CAA and hope that this
> will help in the negociation with EASA
>
> Good luck Richard we are with you
>
> Didier
>
>
> 2013/2/12 Vic <vicmolnar@aol.com>:
>>
>> Correction :
>>
>> No Yak 54 or 55 but Sukhois 29 and 31 are cared for by EASA SAS rules 093
>> and 094 :
>> http://easa.europa.eu/certification/products/SAS-aircraft.php
>>
>> Lio, please contact me vicmolnar att aol point comm
>>
>> Vic
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394145#394145
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
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> Directeur Gnral DATEXIS
> Portable : +33 6 51 84 48 02
> Email: didier.blouzard@gmail.com
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Bichlorobenzene. That is the reason for it's aromatic smell.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 12, 2013, at 5:10 PM, "William Halverson" <william@netpros.net> wrote:
>
>
> Speaking of bourbon, has anyone used KROIL?
>
> Similar smell to MMO as I recall.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cjpilot710@aol.com [mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com]
>
> MMO or Marvel Mystery Oil, is a magic fluid sent down by the aviation gods
> to mechanics to cure all ills. It is good pimples, ache, sterility, sticky
> valves (all kinds), and is particularly tasteful mixed with bourbon and
> water. It just happen to perform miracles mixed with gasoline or oil that
> has been fucked up by the EPA. It has been know to give pilots a sense of
> serenity over vast bodies of water, swamps, mountains, or at night. Next to
> the navigator's sextant (which lead to the GPS), MMO has been responsible
> for continued advancement of aviation. It good stuff.
> Pappy
>
>
> In a message dated 2/12/2013 2:01:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net writes:
>
> --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese"
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
> Good question. Marvel Mystery Oil.
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Salu Didier,
there are more issues about new registrations than just troubles with EASA. Basically
the new procedures of continued airworthiness are to be found here for
18 Ts from last week :
http://easa.europa.eu/certification/products/SAS-aircraft.php
The reduction of "lifetime" from 5000 to 3500 hours is EASA induced. But the
national authorities are another matter : Even though EASA gives clear advice
for fresh regs the NAA have their own funny ideas how to waste time not to set
to work. As I said above there are two 18 Ts fresh on the German reg after LY
reg , completely EASA conform, unlimited , not just PtF, but certainly no commercial
use. We try to get German reg but after an LY reg there was a FLA period
for our Yak so we are having a war with them still.
Vic
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We do, Richard but our current socialist in chief is trying to take that away.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 12, 2013, at 2:13 PM, "George Coy" <george.coy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Richard, I thought Yalolev no longer existed....
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Goode
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 11:14 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification
>
> --> <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
>
> The situation with certification/maintenance of the 18 T in Europe is quite
> complex.
>
> We had previously agreed with the European governing body, EASA, that the 18
> T would have an "initial life" before overhaul of 5000 hours. However
> responsibility for all light aircraft certification changed, and the new
> person involved decided to speak to Yakovlev in Moscow to see what their "
> official" view was.
>
> The reply was that all 18 T needed a TOTAL overhaul every 1000 hours. So
> this means complete disassembly done to the last component; everything to be
> overhauled and then the aircraft reassembled as a new one. This is of course
> traditional Russian procedure, and acceptable when they were trying to keep
> 300 million people employed, but absurd in the context of Western use and
> accepted maintenance practice.
>
> After quite a lot of effort we have persuaded Yakolev to accept a rather
> less stringent alternative of a maintenance programme based on detailed
> checks at 1000 and 2000 hour intervals. Nevertheless, as originally
> published by Yakovlev, these are still, in my view, unnecessary demanding,
> and so we are discussing the details to see if they can be modified, while
> still retaining the same safety element.
>
> I think you are wrong to suggest that there are "attractive solutions" in
> other countries. The whole point about EASA is that, for good or bad, they
> control aviation in Europe, and have established these specific maintenance
> programs for the 18 T, and individual country authorities do not have the
> ability to modify these at their discretion.
>
> Of course, historically, most of these 18Ts were flown on the Russian
> register. Some 12 years ago we obtained full certification in Hungary, this
> being before the establishment of EASA, so most 18 Ts are registered there,
> while a number continued with Russian registration. However most, if not all
> countries are refusing to accept Russian registration, and, as yet some
> countries have not worked out how to accept them under the EASA system. This
> is why some countries are issuing temporary "permits to fly" while this is
> being sorted out.
>
> Frankly it is not a great situation, and Americans should feel extremely
> lucky about their freedoms in these areas.
>
> Richard Goode
>
>
>
> Richard Goode Aerobatics
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Hereford
> HR5 3LW
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> www.russianaeros.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Vic
> Sent: 12 February 2013 15:45
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification
>
>
> Hello,
>
> EASA has issued a modified SAS 095 in February for the 18 T reducing the
> "lifetime" from 5000 hours to 3500. Even though the Smolensk factory says
> 7000 hours !!! So who is right ??? I can imagine who the guy is at EASA
> responsible for this B.S. . Does anybody have an idea what the TO-1000 or
> -2000 checks mean as shown in the Smolensk pages ? I will try to contact
> Yakovlev to get their view of things.
> As 52s and other Yaks except 18 T, 54 and 55, never had a certification so
> dont expect to obtain unlimited flying in Europe or America
> (experimental). You will have a Permit to Fly to be accepted by each NAA
> whenever you cross borders. Some Yaks have returned to Lithuanian reg, some
> gone to San Marino in Italy, and there is an attractive solution in Poland
> now, all to EASA standards. New cerificates have been issued now for 18 Ts
> in the German register after dereg from LY, no limitations but no commercial
> use. So maybe you might try an intermediate registration elsewhere and force
> French CAA later to accept an "official" dereg from there to have a new
> French Permit to Fly to EASA standards then.
>
> Vic
>
> http://easa.europa.eu/certification/products/SAS-aircraft.php
>
> http://www.smaz.ru/eng/avia/services.php#jak18
>
> http://www.smaz.ru/eng/avia/jak18t.php
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394140#394140
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Interesting computer issues today. Hit reply to another note and the reply
was sent to another. Maybe a little MMO is in order for this computer......
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification
>
> Used the same logic with an NFO that flew with my during the winter time.
> They wore so many clothes that they could hardly walk to climb into the
> jet. I wore my flight suit and took off my jacket before I got into the
> airplane. He asked me what my survival plan was if we had to punch out. I
> told him I planned on shooting him with my pencil flares and just use his
> shit. Never did tell him I wasn't serious.....
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Didier Blouzard" <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification
>
>
>> <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
>>
>> I spoke today with french CAA about the 18T and the problem as Richard
>> is saying is a european problem So if we don't find a solution with
>> this mamouth EASA we will have to register our 18T out of Europe
>> (Albania????) and hope that our local authorities accept a permit to
>> fly.
>> Let us speak with our local authorities and help Richard in his
>> negociation with EASA
>>
>> It could be a good time to stick all very very close together all
>> YAK18T proprietor in Europe. Or forget to fly an 18T in Europe.
>> What a shame this EASA!!!
>>
>> Let us try to buid something with our local CAA and hope that this
>> will help in the negociation with EASA
>>
>> Good luck Richard we are with you
>>
>> Didier
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/2/12 Vic <vicmolnar@aol.com>:
>>>
>>> Correction :
>>>
>>> No Yak 54 or 55 but Sukhois 29 and 31 are cared for by EASA SAS rules
>>> 093 and 094 :
>>> http://easa.europa.eu/certification/products/SAS-aircraft.php
>>>
>>> Lio, please contact me vicmolnar att aol point comm
>>>
>>> Vic
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394145#394145
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ____________________________
>> Didier BLOUZARD
>> Directeur Gnral DATEXIS
>> Portable : +33 6 51 84 48 02
>> Email: didier.blouzard@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: European registration/certification |
Mark not sure I'm following the logic of this injected in this thread but I'm laughing
my ass off! I can see the expression on that dudes' face!
rOFLMAO!
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 12, 2013, at 5:21 PM, "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>
> Used the same logic with an NFO that flew with my during the winter time. They
wore so many clothes that they could hardly walk to climb into the jet. I wore
my flight suit and took off my jacket before I got into the airplane. He asked
me what my survival plan was if we had to punch out. I told him I planned
on shooting him with my pencil flares and just use his shit. Never did tell
him I wasn't serious.....
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Didier Blouzard" <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification
>
>
>>
>> I spoke today with french CAA about the 18T and the problem as Richard
>> is saying is a european problem So if we don't find a solution with
>> this mamouth EASA we will have to register our 18T out of Europe
>> (Albania????) and hope that our local authorities accept a permit to
>> fly.
>> Let us speak with our local authorities and help Richard in his
>> negociation with EASA
>>
>> It could be a good time to stick all very very close together all
>> YAK18T proprietor in Europe. Or forget to fly an 18T in Europe.
>> What a shame this EASA!!!
>>
>> Let us try to buid something with our local CAA and hope that this
>> will help in the negociation with EASA
>>
>> Good luck Richard we are with you
>>
>> Didier
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/2/12 Vic <vicmolnar@aol.com>:
>>>
>>> Correction :
>>>
>>> No Yak 54 or 55 but Sukhois 29 and 31 are cared for by EASA SAS rules 093 and
094 :
>>> http://easa.europa.eu/certification/products/SAS-aircraft.php
>>>
>>> Lio, please contact me vicmolnar att aol point comm
>>>
>>> Vic
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394145#394145
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ____________________________
>> Didier BLOUZARD
>> Directeur Gnral DATEXIS
>> Portable : +33 6 51 84 48 02
>> Email: didier.blouzard@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: European registration/certification |
Somehow hit reply to a friend's note and the reply went to this thread.
I've spent all day fighting computer problems. I'm about to go home and fix
a drink of MMO, 100LL and take up smoking!
As for my curious NFO he soon learned not to ask me questions he didn't want
to hear the answer! Always best to keep them guessing.
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:36 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification
> <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
>
> Mark not sure I'm following the logic of this injected in this thread but
> I'm laughing my ass off! I can see the expression on that dudes' face!
> rOFLMAO!
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 12, 2013, at 5:21 PM, "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Used the same logic with an NFO that flew with my during the winter time.
>> They wore so many clothes that they could hardly walk to climb into the
>> jet. I wore my flight suit and took off my jacket before I got into the
>> airplane. He asked me what my survival plan was if we had to punch out.
>> I told him I planned on shooting him with my pencil flares and just use
>> his shit. Never did tell him I wasn't serious.....
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Didier Blouzard"
>> <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification
>>
>>
>>> <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> I spoke today with french CAA about the 18T and the problem as Richard
>>> is saying is a european problem So if we don't find a solution with
>>> this mamouth EASA we will have to register our 18T out of Europe
>>> (Albania????) and hope that our local authorities accept a permit to
>>> fly.
>>> Let us speak with our local authorities and help Richard in his
>>> negociation with EASA
>>>
>>> It could be a good time to stick all very very close together all
>>> YAK18T proprietor in Europe. Or forget to fly an 18T in Europe.
>>> What a shame this EASA!!!
>>>
>>> Let us try to buid something with our local CAA and hope that this
>>> will help in the negociation with EASA
>>>
>>> Good luck Richard we are with you
>>>
>>> Didier
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/2/12 Vic <vicmolnar@aol.com>:
>>>>
>>>> Correction :
>>>>
>>>> No Yak 54 or 55 but Sukhois 29 and 31 are cared for by EASA SAS rules
>>>> 093 and 094 :
>>>> http://easa.europa.eu/certification/products/SAS-aircraft.php
>>>>
>>>> Lio, please contact me vicmolnar att aol point comm
>>>>
>>>> Vic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394145#394145
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ____________________________
>>> Didier BLOUZARD
>>> Directeur Gnral DATEXIS
>>> Portable : +33 6 51 84 48 02
>>> Email: didier.blouzard@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Valve Guide Reaming |
Also very useful for ridding your garage of those pesky neighborhood cats that
leave those tiny little paw prints all over your new sports car. A shot of MMO
delicately instilled up the cats ars is guaranteed to launch that pesky tabby
with a purple hazed aromatic flatulence never to seen in your garage again.
Don't worry the red stain fecal matter left by the launching Tom Kitty wipes
right off after it launched in full purple blower! The neighbors are still trying
to figure out why their cat's sphincter is so slick and loose?!
Excerpt from 101 Ways To Use MMO
Disclaimer: No fictitious neighborhood cats were harmed by this misadventure...for
the Tom Kitty that is. Do not try this as an untrained Tom Kitty deep 6 shooter.
Only Viper Drivers trained in the art of "guns and knives in the phone
both with Tom Kitty's" should venture to make these cat lip shots!
Here Kitty Kitty.
;^))
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 12, 2013, at 12:59 PM, "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>
> Good question. Marvel Mystery Oil.
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-285-6263
> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
> www.yak-52.com
> Skype - Yakguy1
>
> On 2/12/2013 12:23 PM, Andrew Park wrote:
>>
>> Hate to sound inexperienced but what is MMO, what does it do, where can I get
it and what are the symptoms of a sticking Ex valve?
>>
>> Andrew Park
>> New Zealand
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: European registration/certification |
Copy. Now that was "pretty funny. I don't care who you are!"
Boring night in LA in a blinding rain!
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 12, 2013, at 6:56 PM, "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>
> Somehow hit reply to a friend's note and the reply went to this thread. I've
spent all day fighting computer problems. I'm about to go home and fix a drink
of MMO, 100LL and take up smoking!
>
> As for my curious NFO he soon learned not to ask me questions he didn't want
to hear the answer! Always best to keep them guessing.
>
> Mark
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 5:36 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification
>
>
>>
>> Mark not sure I'm following the logic of this injected in this thread but I'm
laughing my ass off! I can see the expression on that dudes' face!
>> rOFLMAO!
>> Doc
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2013, at 5:21 PM, "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Used the same logic with an NFO that flew with my during the winter time. They
wore so many clothes that they could hardly walk to climb into the jet. I
wore my flight suit and took off my jacket before I got into the airplane. He
asked me what my survival plan was if we had to punch out. I told him I planned
on shooting him with my pencil flares and just use his shit. Never did tell
him I wasn't serious.....
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Didier Blouzard" <didier.blouzard@gmail.com>
>>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2013 3:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: European registration/certification
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I spoke today with french CAA about the 18T and the problem as Richard
>>>> is saying is a european problem So if we don't find a solution with
>>>> this mamouth EASA we will have to register our 18T out of Europe
>>>> (Albania????) and hope that our local authorities accept a permit to
>>>> fly.
>>>> Let us speak with our local authorities and help Richard in his
>>>> negociation with EASA
>>>>
>>>> It could be a good time to stick all very very close together all
>>>> YAK18T proprietor in Europe. Or forget to fly an 18T in Europe.
>>>> What a shame this EASA!!!
>>>>
>>>> Let us try to buid something with our local CAA and hope that this
>>>> will help in the negociation with EASA
>>>>
>>>> Good luck Richard we are with you
>>>>
>>>> Didier
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2013/2/12 Vic <vicmolnar@aol.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> Correction :
>>>>>
>>>>> No Yak 54 or 55 but Sukhois 29 and 31 are cared for by EASA SAS rules 093
and 094 :
>>>>> http://easa.europa.eu/certification/products/SAS-aircraft.php
>>>>>
>>>>> Lio, please contact me vicmolnar att aol point comm
>>>>>
>>>>> Vic
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=394145#394145
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ____________________________
>>>> Didier BLOUZARD
>>>> Directeur Gnral DATEXIS
>>>> Portable : +33 6 51 84 48 02
>>>> Email: didier.blouzard@gmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Here, Tkitty, Tkitty |
Very good, very good indeed ...
On 2/12/2013 5:42 PM, Roger Kemp M.D. wrote:
>
> Also very useful for ridding your garage of those pesky neighborhood cats that
leave those tiny little paw prints all over your new sports car. A shot of
MMO delicately instilled up the cats ars is guaranteed to launch that pesky tabby
with a purple hazed aromatic flatulence never to seen in your garage again.
Don't worry the red stain fecal matter left by the launching Tom Kitty wipes
right off after it launched in full purple blower! The neighbors are still trying
to figure out why their cat's sphincter is so slick and loose?!
> Excerpt from 101 Ways To Use MMO
> Disclaimer: No fictitious neighborhood cats were harmed by this misadventure...for
the Tom Kitty that is. Do not try this as an untrained Tom Kitty deep 6
shooter. Only Viper Drivers trained in the art of "guns and knives in the phone
both with Tom Kitty's" should venture to make these cat lip shots!
> Here Kitty Kitty.
>
> ;^))
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 12, 2013, at 12:59 PM, "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>
>>
>> Good question. Marvel Mystery Oil.
>> Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: Here, Tkitty, Tkitty |
Excellent
If this could work also with certain humans so called beeing, I would take training
courses
Sorry sorry I shouldn't say that I know!!
I go back clean my Yak as this is the only thing we can do here in France at the
moment!!!!
Didier Blouzard
+33 6 5184 4802
Le 13 fvr. 2013 04:15, William Halverson <william@netpros.net> a crit :
>
>
> Very good, very good indeed ...
>
>
> On 2/12/2013 5:42 PM, Roger Kemp M.D. wrote:
>>
>> Also very useful for ridding your garage of those pesky neighborhood cats that
leave those tiny little paw prints all over your new sports car. A shot of
MMO delicately instilled up the cats ars is guaranteed to launch that pesky tabby
with a purple hazed aromatic flatulence never to seen in your garage again.
Don't worry the red stain fecal matter left by the launching Tom Kitty wipes
right off after it launched in full purple blower! The neighbors are still
trying to figure out why their cat's sphincter is so slick and loose?!
>> Excerpt from 101 Ways To Use MMO
>> Disclaimer: No fictitious neighborhood cats were harmed by this misadventure...for
the Tom Kitty that is. Do not try this as an untrained Tom Kitty deep 6
shooter. Only Viper Drivers trained in the art of "guns and knives in the phone
both with Tom Kitty's" should venture to make these cat lip shots!
>> Here Kitty Kitty.
>>
>> ;^))
>> Doc
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Feb 12, 2013, at 12:59 PM, "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Good question. Marvel Mystery Oil.
>>> Dennis
>
>
>
>
>
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