---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 05/15/13: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:10 AM - Re: RPM Generator (Etienne Verhellen) 2. 10:05 AM - Re: Yak parachute (PaulW) 3. 10:14 AM - Re: Re: Yak parachute (Didier Blouzard) 4. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: Yak parachute (Roger Kemp) 5. 10:59 AM - Turning prop wrong direction (altman51) 6. 11:17 AM - Re: Turning prop wrong direction (A. Dennis Savarese) 7. 12:17 PM - Re: Turning prop wrong direction (cjpilot710@aol.com) 8. 12:40 PM - AN-2 Compressor (Jill Gernetzke) 9. 01:56 PM - Re: Turning prop wrong direction (Roger Kemp MD) 10. 02:31 PM - Re: RPM Generator (Etienne Verhellen) 11. 02:35 PM - Re: Turning prop wrong direction (cjpilot710@aol.com) 12. 02:38 PM - Re: Turning prop wrong direction (Richard Hess) 13. 03:16 PM - Re: Turning prop wrong direction (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD) 14. 05:23 PM - Re: Turning prop wrong direction (altman51) 15. 07:17 PM - Re: Turning prop wrong direction (doug sapp) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:10:04 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: RPM Generator From: "Etienne Verhellen" I have been informed by a very reliable source that the RPM generator for the Yak-52 is actually the DTE-6T. See photo below : DTE-6T. The DTA-2 Rpm generator is possibly from the Mi-2 helicopter ... but I suspect it would work as well ... Anyway, we have now found one and it will be installed on the aircraft very soon. I'm sure Yak parts will be needed again in the future ... ;-) -------- http://ukga.com/content/view?contentId=29581 http://ukga.com/images/content/image29581.jpg http://www.flyredstar.org/gallery2/Yak/Heimo_Lamberg_011.jpg http://www.flyredstar.org/gallery2/Yak/Etienne%20landing%20747-400..jpg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400678#400678 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dte_6t_rpm_generator_yak_52_ilia_162.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:37 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak parachute From: "PaulW" cjpilot710(at)aol.com wrote: > > > The porosity of a chute is kind a important. A number of years ago, I brought two used chutes (US Military back packs which were in excellent condition). however when my packer look at them and at my weight (215Lb) she recommended that if I had to use them, "Head for some trees, cause you're going to break your ankles". The porosity may be important when looking at your weight. However, with a round chute, the size is just as important. 26" vs 28", etc. So the heavier you are, the bigger your chute. If you have a square, then size as well and more cells maybe. I cannot say that the porosity is nothing to worry about. Let a skydiver test jump it with a spare reserve chute for safety before buying something else. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400690#400690 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:14:21 AM PST US From: Didier Blouzard Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak parachute Hi Paul, I find this is a very good idea to have it tested in real. i have a friend who is a pro. i also made him jump from my YAK...... no kiding !!! jumping out of a plane which if running fine is a nonsense !!! I will ask him if he can test my chute. he weight more than I. thanks for the idea best regards Didier 2013/5/15 PaulW > > > cjpilot710(at)aol.com wrote: > > > > > > The porosity of a chute is kind a important. A number of years ago, I > brought two used chutes (US Military back packs which were in excellent > condition). however when my packer look at them and at my weight (215Lb) > she recommended that if I had to use them, "Head for some trees, cause > you're going to break your ankles". > > > The porosity may be important when looking at your weight. > > However, with a round chute, the size is just as important. 26" vs 28", > etc. > So the heavier you are, the bigger your chute. > > If you have a square, then size as well and more cells maybe. > > I cannot say that the porosity is nothing to worry about. > > Let a skydiver test jump it with a spare reserve chute for safety before > buying something else. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400690#400690 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- ____________________________ Didier BLOUZARD Directeur G=E9n=E9ral DATEXIS Portable : +33 6 51 84 48 02 Email: didier.blouzard@gmail.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:30:09 AM PST US From: Roger Kemp Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Yak parachute Paul, Did you mean 26 to 28 feet. Not 26" vs. 28" ( inches). If inches are you refering to panel size not canopy size? Just asking. Doc -----Original Message----- >From: PaulW >Sent: May 15, 2013 12:03 PM >To: yak-list@matronics.com >Subject: Yak-List: Re: Yak parachute > > > >cjpilot710(at)aol.com wrote: >> >> >> The porosity of a chute is kind a important. A number of years ago, I brought two used chutes (US Military back packs which were in excellent condition). however when my packer look at them and at my weight (215Lb) she recommended that if I had to use them, "Head for some trees, cause you're going to break your ankles". > > >The porosity may be important when looking at your weight. > >However, with a round chute, the size is just as important. 26" vs 28", etc. >So the heavier you are, the bigger your chute. > >If you have a square, then size as well and more cells maybe. > >I cannot say that the porosity is nothing to worry about. > >Let a skydiver test jump it with a spare reserve chute for safety before buying something else. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400690#400690 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:43 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Turning prop wrong direction From: "altman51" I am a new CJ operator. Recently was starting my CJ and had head buried in the cockpit. A friend was proping for me and turned 6 times wrong direction. Now the start valve will not open. Any suggestions - information on what happened, etc? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400696#400696 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:56 AM PST US From: "A. Dennis Savarese" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Turning prop wrong direction Actually the air start valve has nothing to do with turning the prop backwards. Many of the air start valves on the firewall have a lever on the side just for situations like this. It's for manually opening the valve when electrically it won't open. Turn on the main air and simply flip the lever on the air start valve and the valve will open. Low battery voltage (less than 23 volts) will cause the air start solenoid not to open sometimes. So first check your battery voltage. Sometimes "popping" the start button rapidly will force the electrical solenoid to activate and open the air start valve. If your battery voltage is at 24 or above, if the air start valve still will not open, then typically the air start valve is gunked up. This causes it not to activate. You can try removing it from the firewall and flushing it out, then drying it out thoroughly and reinstalling it. If this doesn't work, call Doug and order a new one. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-6263 334-546-8182 (mobile) www.yak-52.com Skype - Yakguy1 On 5/15/2013 12:57 PM, altman51 wrote: > > I am a new CJ operator. Recently was starting my CJ and had head buried in the cockpit. A friend was proping for me and turned 6 times wrong direction. > Now the start valve will not open. Any suggestions - information on what happened, etc? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400696#400696 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:28 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Turning prop wrong direction I'd like to add to Dennis's remarks. On the Chinese made air start valve (on CJs) there is no little lever, BUT there are 2 small rectangular slots. You can put a small flat screw blade in the slot and open the air valve that. This is the very same thing that little lever does on the Russian valves. Also - if you have an alternator and NOT a generator, if the battery is dead, yes you can start the engine, BUT you may not have enough juice in the battery to get the alternator to running. Thus the battery stays dead. Numerous other problems can result. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 5/15/2013 2:18:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net writes: --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" Actually the air start valve has nothing to do with turning the prop backwards. Many of the air start valves on the firewall have a lever on the side just for situations like this. It's for manually opening the valve when electrically it won't open. Turn on the main air and simply flip the lever on the air start valve and the valve will open. Low battery voltage (less than 23 volts) will cause the air start solenoid not to open sometimes. So first check your battery voltage. Sometimes "popping" the start button rapidly will force the electrical solenoid to activate and open the air start valve. If your battery voltage is at 24 or above, if the air start valve still will not open, then typically the air start valve is gunked up. This causes it not to activate. You can try removing it from the firewall and flushing it out, then drying it out thoroughly and reinstalling it. If this doesn't work, call Doug and order a new one. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-6263 334-546-8182 (mobile) www.yak-52.com Skype - Yakguy1 On 5/15/2013 12:57 PM, altman51 wrote: > --> Yak-List message posted by: "altman51" > > I am a new CJ operator. Recently was starting my CJ and had head buried in the cockpit. A friend was proping for me and turned 6 times wrong direction. > Now the start valve will not open. Any suggestions - information on what happened, etc? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400696#400696 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:21 PM PST US From: "Jill Gernetzke" Subject: Yak-List: AN-2 Compressor Group, I have a new An-2 air compressor in stock. Contact me offlist, if interested. Jill jill@m-14p.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:56:31 PM PST US From: "Roger Kemp MD" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Turning prop wrong direction Guys, Ya'll are completely missing point here. He pulled the prop backwards 10 times. You are not thinking of the Chinese gerbils. He has gotten those little buggars completely confused running around in the accessory case now. They do not know which way to run. They are screwed like a Chinese Fire Drill. They don't know whether to blow air in the compressor or suck air through the start valve. They are totally disoriented now. With 9 turns of the prop backwards they could have recovered from but oh no not ten! I have been told you are going to have to use the left leaning gerbil up the exhaust trick. Never tried that though since my stacks all read exhaust only on the placard. Rich says it worked on his CJ but that is hearsay but hell, he's had his tail off in Gasden for a couple of years now. Just have to take his word for it. MMO might fix it too. Get those Gerbils drunk on MMO and you never know what they'll do from there! It's like Vodka Friday in Russia when that happens! Just my 2 cents, Gives new meaning to CHECK 6 when CJ are in the pattern doesn't it? :^)) Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Turning prop wrong direction I'd like to add to Dennis's remarks. On the Chinese made air start valve (on CJs) there is no little lever, BUT there are 2 small rectangular slots. You can put a small flat screw blade in the slot and open the air valve that. This is the very same thing that little lever does on the Russian valves. Also - if you have an alternator and NOT a generator, if the battery is dead, yes you can start the engine, BUT you may not have enough juice in the battery to get the alternator to running. Thus the battery stays dead. Numerous other problems can result. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 5/15/2013 2:18:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net writes: Actually the air start valve has nothing to do with turning the prop backwards. Many of the air start valves on the firewall have a lever on the side just for situations like this. It's for manually opening the valve when electrically it won't open. Turn on the main air and simply flip the lever on the air start valve and the valve will open. Low battery voltage (less than 23 volts) will cause the air start solenoid not to open sometimes. So first check your battery voltage. Sometimes "popping" the start button rapidly will force the electrical solenoid to activate and open the air start valve. If your battery voltage is at 24 or above, if the air start valve still will not open, then typically the air start valve is gunked up. This causes it not to activate. You can try removing it from the firewall and flushing it out, then drying it out thoroughly and reinstalling it. If this doesn't work, call Doug and order a new one. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-6263 334-546-8182 (mobile) www.yak-52.com Skype - Yakguy1 On 5/15/2013 12:57 PM, altman51 wrote: > > I am a new CJ operator. Recently was starting my CJ and had head buried in the cockpit. A friend was proping for me and turned 6 times wrong direction. > Now the start valve will not open. Any suggestions - information on what happened, etc? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400696#400696 > > >< ies ay - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site p; ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:00 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: RPM Generator From: "Etienne Verhellen" Another view of the DTE-6T RPM generator for Yaks ... -------- http://ukga.com/content/view?contentId=29581 http://ukga.com/images/content/image29581.jpg http://www.flyredstar.org/gallery2/Yak/Heimo_Lamberg_011.jpg http://www.flyredstar.org/gallery2/Yak/Etienne%20landing%20747-400..jpg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400707#400707 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dte_6t_rpm_generator_yak_52_903.jpg ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:35:26 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Turning prop wrong direction Now Doc there you go again show you prejudice. Its obvious the prop turner was taken in by the sleek and lean lines of the CJ plus its canted w ings ala US Corsair and just naturally swung the prop the wrong way. Now I happen to know that the sub species (Chinkgerbilus) that is centered in the area of Nanchang, are quite smart as rodents go, and could quickly return to a normal orientation if spun backward, unlike the Ruskiegerbilus from the west of the Ural mountains, which are notorious for its females being over weight BTW. Also BTW Chinkgerbilus are not effected by MMO. While its be known that they get a slight "buzz" from it, their real down fall (if you could call it that) is sake. That is the Chinese sake to be precise (also used a jet fuel). Given time and the proper direction this engine should have started. Me thinks other factors were involved. I.E. was the fuel valve turned on? Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 5/15/2013 4:56:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, viperdoc@mindspring.com writes: Guys, Ya=99ll are completely missing point here. He pulled the prop backwa rds 10 times. You are not thinking of the Chinese gerbils. He has gotten those little buggars completely confused running around in the accessory case no w. They do not know which way to run. They are screwed like a Chinese Fire Drill. They don't know whether to blow air in the compressor or suck air through the start valve. They are totally disoriented now. With 9 turns o f the prop backwards they could have recovered from but oh no not ten! I have be en told you are going to have to use the left leaning gerbil up the exhaust trick. Never tried that though since my stacks all read exhaust only on the placard. Rich says it worked on his CJ but that is hearsay but hell, he =99s had his tail off in Gasden for a couple of years now. Just have to take his wo rd for it. MMO might fix it too. Get those Gerbils drunk on MMO and you never know what they=99ll do from there! It=99s like Vodka Friday in Russia when that happens! Just my 2 cents, Gives new meaning to CHECK 6 when CJ are in the pattern doesn=99t i t? :^)) Doc From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.c om Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:14 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Turning prop wrong direction I'd like to add to Dennis's remarks. On the Chinese made air start valve (on CJs) there is no little lever, BUT there are 2 small rectangular slots. You can put a small flat screw blade in the slot and open the air valve that. This is the very same thing that little lever does on the Russian valves. Also - if you have an alternator and NOT a generator, if the batt ery is dead, yes you can start the engine, BUT you may not have enough juice in the battery to get the alternator to running. Thus the battery stays dead. Numerous other problems can result. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 5/15/2013 2:18:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net writes: --> Yak-List message posted by: "A. Dennis Savarese" Actually the air start valve has nothing to do with turning the prop backwards. Many of the air start valves on the firewall have a lever on the side just for situations like this. It's for manually opening the valve when electrically it won't open. Turn on the main air and simply flip the lever on the air start valve and the valve will open. Low battery voltage (less than 23 volts) will cause the air start solenoid not to open sometimes. So first check your battery voltage. Sometimes "popping" the start button rapidly will force the electrical solenoid to activate and open the air start valve. If your battery voltage is at 24 or above, if the air start valve still will not open, then typically the air start valve is gunked up. This causes it not to activate. You can try removing it from the firewall and flushing it out, then drying it out thoroughly and reinstalling it. If this doesn't work, call Doug and order a new one. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-6263 334-546-8182 (mobile) www.yak-52.com Skype - Yakguy1 On 5/15/2013 12:57 PM, altman51 wrote: > > I am a new CJ operator. Recently was starting my CJ and had head buried in the cockpit. A friend was proping for me and turned 6 times wrong direction. > Now the start valve will not open. Any suggestions - information on what happened, etc? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400696#400696 > > >< ies ay - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site p; http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:38:46 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Turning prop wrong direction From: Richard Hess Mongoose flies !!! Richard Hess C 404-964-4885 On May 15, 2013, at 16:54, "Roger Kemp MD" wrote: > Guys, > Ya=99ll are completely missing point here. He pulled the prop backwa rds 10 times. You are not thinking of the Chinese gerbils. He has gotten tho se little buggars completely confused running around in the accessory case n ow. They do not know which way to run. They are screwed like a Chinese Fire D rill. They don't know whether to blow air in the compressor or suck air thr ough the start valve. They are totally disoriented now. With 9 turns of the prop backwards they could have recovered from but oh no not ten! I have bee n told you are going to have to use the left leaning gerbil up the exhaust t rick. > Never tried that though since my stacks all read exhaust only on the placa rd. Rich says it worked on his CJ but that is hearsay but hell, he=99 s had his tail off in Gasden for a couple of years now. Just have to take hi s word for it. MMO might fix it too. Get those Gerbils drunk on MMO and you n ever know what they=99ll do from there! It=99s like Vodka Friday in Russia when that happens! > Just my 2 cents, > Gives new meaning to CHECK 6 when CJ are in the pattern doesn=99t it ? > :^)) > Doc > > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@ma tronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com > Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 2:14 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Turning prop wrong direction > > I'd like to add to Dennis's remarks. On the Chinese made air start valve ( on CJs) there is no little lever, BUT there are 2 small rectangular slots. Y ou can put a small flat screw blade in the slot and open the air valve that. This is the very same thing that little lever does on the Russian valves. Also - if you have an alternator and NOT a generator, if the battery is dea d, yes you can start the engine, BUT you may not have enough juice in the ba ttery to get the alternator to running. Thus the battery stays dead. Numer ous other problems can result. > > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby > > In a message dated 5/15/2013 2:18:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dsavarese 0812@bellsouth.net writes: uth.net> > > Actually the air start valve has nothing to do with turning the prop > backwards. > > Many of the air start valves on the firewall have a lever on the side > just for situations like this. It's for manually opening the valve when > electrically it won't open. Turn on the main air and simply flip the > lever on the air start valve and the valve will open. > > Low battery voltage (less than 23 volts) will cause the air start > solenoid not to open sometimes. So first check your battery voltage. > > Sometimes "popping" the start button rapidly will force the electrical > solenoid to activate and open the air start valve. > > If your battery voltage is at 24 or above, if the air start valve still > will not open, then typically the air start valve is gunked up. This > causes it not to activate. You can try removing it from the firewall > and flushing it out, then drying it out thoroughly and reinstalling it. > If this doesn't work, call Doug and order a new one. > Dennis > > A. Dennis Savarese > 334-285-6263 > 334-546-8182 (mobile) > www.yak-52.com > Skype - Yakguy1 > > On 5/15/2013 12:57 PM, altman51 wrote: > > > > I am a new CJ operator. Recently was starting my CJ and had head buried i n the cockpit. A friend was proping for me and turned 6 times wrong directio n. > > Now the start valve will not open. Any suggestions - information on what happened, etc? > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400696#400696 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >< ies ay - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contributi on Web Site p; > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:04 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Turning prop wrong direction From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" As a P.S. note to what Dennis and Pappy said, If you manage to get a new air start valve without the little lever, simply take the old one apart, and put the guts of the new one back into the old one, so you can keep the manual start lever. Isn't that hard to do. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of cjpilot710@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2013 15:14 Subject: Re: Yak-List: Turning prop wrong direction I'd like to add to Dennis's remarks. On the Chinese made air start valve (on CJs) there is no little lever, BUT there are 2 small rectangular slots. You can put a small flat screw blade in the slot and open the air valve that. This is the very same thing that little lever does on the Russian valves. Also - if you have an alternator and NOT a generator, if the battery is dead, yes you can start the engine, BUT you may not have enough juice in the battery to get the alternator to running. Thus the battery stays dead. Numerous other problems can result. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 5/15/2013 2:18:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net writes: Actually the air start valve has nothing to do with turning the prop backwards. Many of the air start valves on the firewall have a lever on the side just for situations like this. It's for manually opening the valve when electrically it won't open. Turn on the main air and simply flip the lever on the air start valve and the valve will open. Low battery voltage (less than 23 volts) will cause the air start solenoid not to open sometimes. So first check your battery voltage. Sometimes "popping" the start button rapidly will force the electrical solenoid to activate and open the air start valve. If your battery voltage is at 24 or above, if the air start valve still will not open, then typically the air start valve is gunked up. This causes it not to activate. You can try removing it from the firewall and flushing it out, then drying it out thoroughly and reinstalling it. If this doesn't work, call Doug and order a new one. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-6263 334-546-8182 (mobile) www.yak-52.com Skype - Yakguy1 On 5/15/2013 12:57 PM, altman51 wrote: > > I am a new CJ operator. Recently was starting my CJ and had head buried in the cockpit. A friend was proping for me and turned 6 times wrong direction. > Now the start valve will not open. Any suggestions - information on what happened, etc? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400696#400696 > > > > > > > > > > >< ies ay - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site p; ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:51 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Turning prop wrong direction From: "altman51" Thanks guy, this is all helpful. Keep it coming, I am learning... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400716#400716 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Turning prop wrong direction From: doug sapp Actually pappy all QDF-1 start solenoid valves start their lives with the "little lever" on them. It's only when they get to the PLAAF units do the levers get removed. In over 20 years of importing new and overhauled QDF-1 valves I have never received one that did not have a lever on it. The fact that there are still some flying here in the US without levers attests to the longevity possible if one keeps his pneumatic system clean and dry. Doug On Wed, May 15, 2013 at 12:13 PM, wrote: > ** > I'd like to add to Dennis's remarks. On the Chinese made air start valve > (on CJs) there is no little lever, BUT there are 2 small rectangular > slots. You can put a small flat screw blade in the slot and open the air > valve that. This is the very same thing that little lever does on the > Russian valves. Also - if you have an alternator and NOT a generator, if > the battery is dead, yes you can start the engine, BUT you may not have > enough juice in the battery to get the alternator to running. Thus the > battery stays dead. Numerous other problems can result. > > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby > > In a message dated 5/15/2013 2:18:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net writes: > > dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> > > Actually the air start valve has nothing to do with turning the prop > backwards. > > Many of the air start valves on the firewall have a lever on the side > just for situations like this. It's for manually opening the valve when > electrically it won't open. Turn on the main air and simply flip the > lever on the air start valve and the valve will open. > > Low battery voltage (less than 23 volts) will cause the air start > solenoid not to open sometimes. So first check your battery voltage. > > Sometimes "popping" the start button rapidly will force the electrical > solenoid to activate and open the air start valve. > > If your battery voltage is at 24 or above, if the air start valve still > will not open, then typically the air start valve is gunked up. This > causes it not to activate. You can try removing it from the firewall > and flushing it out, then drying it out thoroughly and reinstalling it. > If this doesn't work, call Doug and order a new one. > Dennis > > A. Dennis Savarese > 334-285-6263 > 334-546-8182 (mobile) > www.yak-52.com > Skype - Yakguy1 > > On 5/15/2013 12:57 PM, altman51 wrote: > > > > I am a new CJ operator. Recently was starting my CJ and had head buried > in the cockpit. A friend was proping for me and turned 6 times wrong > direction. > > Now the start valve will not open. Any suggestions - information on what > happened, etc? > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=400696#400696 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >< ies ay - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List > Contribution Web Site p; > > > * > > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.