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1. 06:53 AM - Re: Re: Engine start mystery (James Goolsby)
2. 07:56 AM - Re: Say It Ain't So... (James Goolsby)
3. 08:30 AM - Re: Re: Engine start mystery (Richard Goode)
4. 08:40 AM - Re: Say It Ain't So... (Roger Kemp M.D.)
5. 09:36 AM - Needing to find a place for a filter. (Bradly Banks)
6. 09:52 AM - Re: Needing to find a place for a filter. (Richard Goode)
7. 10:08 AM - Re: Needing to find a place for a filter. (Byron Fox)
8. 10:15 AM - Re: Needing to find a place for a filter. (Bradly Banks)
9. 11:11 AM - position of oil filter. (Richard Goode)
10. 11:18 AM - Re: Re: Engine start mystery (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
11. 11:38 AM - Re: position of oil filter. (cjpilot710@aol.com)
12. 12:16 PM - Re: position of oil filter. (Bradly Banks)
13. 02:35 PM - Documentation (Rico Jaeger)
14. 02:53 PM - Re: Documentation (Robin Hou)
15. 03:01 PM - Re: Documentation (Richard Hess)
16. 03:02 PM - Re: Documentation (bill wade)
17. 03:33 PM - Re: Documentation (Byron Fox)
18. 04:08 PM - Re: Documentation (cjpilot710@aol.com)
19. 04:17 PM - Re: Documentation (bill wade)
20. 04:23 PM - Reduced manifold pressure (Dr. Robert Schroeder)
21. 05:03 PM - Re: Re: Compressor problem (gord)
22. 06:27 PM - Re: position of oil filter. (Roger Kemp M.D.)
23. 06:39 PM - Re: Documentation (Rico Jaeger)
24. 07:00 PM - Why Did YOU Do it? (Rico Jaeger)
25. 07:02 PM - Re: Documentation (Roger Kemp M.D.)
26. 07:30 PM - Re: Documentation (Roger Kemp M.D.)
27. 08:28 PM - Re: Documentation (Gary Gabbard)
28. 09:17 PM - Air system 'stuff' (Cory Robin)
29. 09:33 PM - Re: Air system 'stuff' (Roger Kemp M.D.)
30. 09:33 PM - Re: Air system 'stuff' (Byron Fox)
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Engine start mystery |
I've had this happen - where the "shower of sparks" was actually running the
engine while holding the start button. Pappy
Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun.
On Jun 3, 2013, at 9:59 PM, "Frank Stelwagon" <pfstelwagon@earthlink.net> wr
ote:
> I wonder, since the M14 is usually started with the mags off until it fire
s if the engine was actually running on the shower of sparks in the hot cyli
nder environment. The initial cylinder pull through with the normal compres
sion then the soft cylinder may have been the cylinder actually burning resi
dual fuel.
>
> That would be similar to the early days of emission controls when the engi
nes tended to run on after shut down. This was due to the high heat and the
carburetor allowing fuel into the engine. Remember the shower of sparks is
retarded and with the hot engine it may have actually been running.
>
> Would have been interesting if the mags had been turned on while it was sp
inning fast, probably would have started fine.
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| Subject: | Re: Say It Ain't So... |
There will always be that element in any endeavor. Like Doc I just take my "
revenge" out at the gas pump. But lets look at the money side. Your 'big i
ron' don't just use progoious amount of fuel but are far more complicated th
an a CJ or Yak. I once questioned a judge about a CJ or Yak ever getting a "
Grand Champion" award. He pointed out that judges need to take into account
the amount of work and difficulty in any restoration. A CJ or Yak will nev
er be as 'complicated' as a 51 or F4U. That is one reason there is the "Bes
t of " awards. And yes there is even some "politicking" involved but very l
ittle really. Having been around the restoration of everything from a 7AC t
o the A36 Apache, I can tell you the detail on the latter was unbelievable.
How many of you realize that the A-36 had a spent brass collection box for t
he nose gun? And the money involved? Well you need very deep pockets and U
NQUESTIONABLE passion to see the project though. Than there is the continui
ng cost. Our B-24 for instance cost over $4,000/ hr to operate. $80,000/yr
in insurance. Yes its paying for itself BUT without that support (Its all d
onations BTW), it would be parked. Period.
This year at S&F RPA only had 6 to 7 aircraft there. We had about 30 at the
AYS formation clinic on the week-end before. (We had a great time BTW) We h
ad plan on having the clinic on dates so guys could go right on to S&F from t
here however only 5 of us did that. Concern of weather, jobs, etc etc perso
nal stuff, always cut into the numbers. The thing is our participation will
dictate our exposure or pictures in the magazines.
I have very good friends in the 'big iron'. They aren't really any differen
t than us. They hobnob will other 'big iron' simply because they each have t
he same problems i.e. where can they get a decent replacement for a agzillio
n dollar radiator. They help each other just like we do here on the list bu
t they are use to talking big money unlike us. I mean $250,000 for an overh
aul RR is - - - - normal. Their rarity don't help them.
The lack of pictures of our Yak of CJ in one issue, is not really indicative
of EAA policy or even most of the WB folks. Quite frankly if a Yak 50 show
ed up at a show, it would make it in the magazines. They are just never the
re. This year 'big iron' WB at S&F was down too. Who knows what cause it?
Economy for one but it could be the "been there done that" syndrome too.
Anyway I've always found the WB group made up of the most passionate of the a
viation citizens. =46rom L birds to the Jets. We believe that our little ba
iliwick has a significant place and thus we act the way we do. I view those
"hard heads" as a teaching opportunity. Usually just mentioning my gas bil
l just as a start. ;-)
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun.
On Jun 3, 2013, at 10:50 PM, "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com> wro
te:
> Welcome to the Red Headed Step Children Club! Unless you fly American or a
n Allied aircraft you just are not in the club.
> I say screw them as I laugh all the way to and from the fuel pumps as my s
ortie rate beats them stupid!`
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 3, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us> wrote:
>
>> Just out of curiosity...I recently received my latest EAA WARBIRDS magazi
ne and while perusing the coverage of Sun N' Fun, noted there was but a sing
le photo of an L-39 w/ a very conspicuous absence of any other Red Star airc
raft. Assuming the event was well-attended by the Yak / CJ community, is the
re a bit of shunning occurring here? Or am I just being a paranoid alarmist?
Aren't these aircraft bonified "WARBIRDS" - very active in promoting the sp
ort and the joys of safe, semi-self-governed general aviation? This is not a
n attempt to stir up a hornet's nest. Maybe the photos just "played out" tha
t way. And I am probably naively jumping to conclusions, but...where is the c
overage / acknowledgement? There are Red Star forums, fly-by's, fly-out's, m
ass arrivals and tons of static representation. So...?
>>
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| Subject: | RE: Engine start mystery |
When you start the engine, of course with magnetos off, it IS running on
the shower of sparks, and would continue to do so if you were able to
separate the shower of sparks from the air start system!
Richard Goode
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Goolsby
Sent: 04 June 2013 14:51
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: Engine start mystery
I've had this happen - where the "shower of sparks" was actually running
the engine while holding the start button. Pappy
Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun.
On Jun 3, 2013, at 9:59 PM, "Frank Stelwagon"
<pfstelwagon@earthlink.net> wrote:
I wonder, since the M14 is usually started with the mags off until it
fires if the engine was actually running on the shower of sparks in the
hot cylinder environment. The initial cylinder pull through with the
normal compression then the soft cylinder may have been the cylinder
actually burning residual fuel.
That would be similar to the early days of emission controls when the
engines tended to run on after shut down. This was due to the high heat
and the carburetor allowing fuel into the engine. Remember the shower
of sparks is retarded and with the hot engine it may have actually been
running.
Would have been interesting if the mags had been turned on while it was
spinning fast, probably would have started fine.
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| Subject: | Re: Say It Ain't So... |
Pappy you are spot on. As much as I would love an L39, a YAK 9 or George's 1
1 I have been spoiled by the gas sipping M14 as compared to the turbines, Al
lison's, and the Pratts. When you figure the hourly operating costs for the h
eavy iron, we in the RPA are sitting fat! When one hour of fun in one of the
heavy birds equals roughly 10 hours in one of our YAKs or CJs I'll keep fly
ing my lowly YAK that turns heads every time she fires up and does a fly by!
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 4, 2013, at 9:53 AM, James Goolsby <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
> There will always be that element in any endeavor. Like Doc I just take m
y "revenge" out at the gas pump. But lets look at the money side. Your 'bi
g iron' don't just use progoious amount of fuel but are far more complicated
than a CJ or Yak. I once questioned a judge about a CJ or Yak ever getting
a "Grand Champion" award. He pointed out that judges need to take into acc
ount the amount of work and difficulty in any restoration. A CJ or Yak will
never be as 'complicated' as a 51 or F4U. That is one reason there is the "
Best of " awards. And yes there is even some "politicking" involved but ver
y little really. Having been around the restoration of everything from a 7A
C to the A36 Apache, I can tell you the detail on the latter was unbelievabl
e. How many of you realize that the A-36 had a spent brass collection box f
or the nose gun? And the money involved? Well you need very deep pockets a
nd UNQUESTIONABLE passion to see the project though. Than there is the cont
inuing cost. Our B-24 for instance cost over $4,000/ hr to operate. $80,00
0/yr in insurance. Yes its paying for itself BUT without that support (Its a
ll donations BTW), it would be parked. Period.
>
> This year at S&F RPA only had 6 to 7 aircraft there. We had about 30 at t
he AYS formation clinic on the week-end before. (We had a great time BTW) W
e had plan on having the clinic on dates so guys could go right on to S&F fr
om there however only 5 of us did that. Concern of weather, jobs, etc etc p
ersonal stuff, always cut into the numbers. The thing is our participation w
ill dictate our exposure or pictures in the magazines.
>
> I have very good friends in the 'big iron'. They aren't really any differ
ent than us. They hobnob will other 'big iron' simply because they each hav
e the same problems i.e. where can they get a decent replacement for a agzil
lion dollar radiator. They help each other just like we do here on the list
but they are use to talking big money unlike us. I mean $250,000 for an ov
erhaul RR is - - - - normal. Their rarity don't help them.
>
> The lack of pictures of our Yak of CJ in one issue, is not really indicati
ve of EAA policy or even most of the WB folks. Quite frankly if a Yak 50 sh
owed up at a show, it would make it in the magazines. They are just never t
here. This year 'big iron' WB at S&F was down too. Who knows what cause it
? Economy for one but it could be the "been there done that" syndrome too.
>
> Anyway I've always found the WB group made up of the most passionate of th
e aviation citizens. =46rom L birds to the Jets. We believe that our little
bailiwick has a significant place and thus we act the way we do. I view th
ose "hard heads" as a teaching opportunity. Usually just mentioning my gas b
ill just as a start. ;-)
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun.
>
> On Jun 3, 2013, at 10:50 PM, "Roger Kemp M.D." <viperdoc@mindspring.com> w
rote:
>
>> Welcome to the Red Headed Step Children Club! Unless you fly American or a
n Allied aircraft you just are not in the club.
>> I say screw them as I laugh all the way to and from the fuel pumps as my s
ortie rate beats them stupid!`
>> Doc
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jun 3, 2013, at 8:25 AM, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us> wrote
:
>>
>>> Just out of curiosity...I recently received my latest EAA WARBIRDS magaz
ine and while perusing the coverage of Sun N' Fun, noted there was but a sin
gle photo of an L-39 w/ a very conspicuous absence of any other Red Star air
craft. Assuming the event was well-attended by the Yak / CJ community, is th
ere a bit of shunning occurring here? Or am I just being a paranoid alarmist
? Aren't these aircraft bonified "WARBIRDS" - very active in promoting the s
port and the joys of safe, semi-self-governed general aviation? This is not a
n attempt to stir up a hornet's nest. Maybe the photos just "played out" tha
t way. And I am probably naively jumping to conclusions, but...where is the c
overage / acknowledgement? There are Red Star forums, fly-by's, fly-out's, m
ass arrivals and tons of static representation. So...?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rico Jaeger
>>> Choir / East High School
>>> General Music / Horace Mann
>>>
>>>
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>>> ========================
>>> cs.com
>>> ========================
>>> matronics.com/contribution
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>>>
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| Subject: | Needing to find a place for a filter. |
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| Subject: | Needing to find a place for a filter. |
Most installations have them on the firewall, and access is perfectly
good. Also hose length is as short as possible, which helps. The amount
of additional cooling would be absolutely minimal when you consider the
surface area of the filter compared to an oil cooler!
Richard Goode
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bradly Banks
Sent: 04 June 2013 17:34
Subject: Yak-List: Needing to find a place for a filter.
Hello all, I have been wanting to put a filter into the oil return line
for some time. I have been looking at various places taking into
consideration the heat challenges as well as access. Breaking the
paradigm I thought of putting it in the front of the engine? Great ease
of access ,inspection and added cooling. Has anyone done this before?
Have at it!
Brad Banks
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| Subject: | position of oil filter. |
I know that you were suggesting additional oil cooling by having the filter
at the front of the engine. I was only making the point that the additional
cooling effect will be very small, simply because cooling is proportional to
the surface area of the cooler, and the surface area of a standard filter is
extremely small compared to the total exposed surface area of an oil cooler!
Richard Goode
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | RE: Engine start mystery |
That actually makes sense.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Goolsby
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 9:51
Subject: Re: Yak-List: RE: Engine start mystery
I've had this happen - where the "shower of sparks" was actually running the engine
while holding the start button. Pappy
Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun.
On Jun 3, 2013, at 9:59 PM, "Frank Stelwagon" <pfstelwagon@earthlink.net> wrote:
I wonder, since the M14 is usually started with the mags off until it fires if
the engine was actually running on the shower of sparks in the hot cylinder environment.
The initial cylinder pull through with the normal compression then
the soft cylinder may have been the cylinder actually burning residual fuel.
That would be similar to the early days of emission controls when the engines
tended to run on after shut down. This was due to the high heat and the carburetor
allowing fuel into the engine. Remember the shower of sparks is retarded
and with the hot engine it may have actually been running.
Would have been interesting if the mags had been turned on while it was spinning
fast, probably would have started fine.
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| Subject: | Re: position of oil filter. |
I agree with Richard. Also putting the filter forward of the cylinders
may very well interfere with the normal air flow for cylinder cooling and
might cause a "hot spot" not good for a cylinder.
I've stretch my memory banks, I don't believe I've ever seen that setup on
any airplane. I've seen prop governors and mags ahead of cylinders
(necessity of design?) but never any cooling apparatus.
Pappy
In a message dated 6/4/2013 2:12:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
richard.goode@russianaeros.com writes:
I know that you were suggesting additional oil cooling by having the
filter at the front of the engine. I was only making the point that the
additional cooling effect will be very small, simply because cooling is
proportional to the surface area of the cooler, and the surface area of a standard
filter is extremely small compared to the total exposed surface area of an oil
cooler!
Richard Goode
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Re: position of oil filter. |
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Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available for
inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
I have:
1) FAA National Registration
2) State Registration
3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
4) My Pilot's License
5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
7) Operating Limitations
Am I missing anything?
THANX!
--
Rico Jaeger
Choir / East High School
General Music / Horace Mann
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| Subject: | Re: Documentation |
Program letter?
--- On Tue, 6/4/13, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us> wrote:
From: Rico Jaeger <rijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us>
Subject: Yak-List: Documentation
Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available for i
nspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
I have:-
1) FAA National Registration-=0A2) State Registration-3) Experimental /
Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate-4) My Pilot's License-5) My Drive
r's License (Photo ID)6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Ins
pection=0A7) Operating Limitations
Am I -missing anything?
THANX!
--
Rico Jaeger=0AChoir / East High School=0AGeneral Music / Horace Mann=0A=0A
==================0A=0A
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| Subject: | Re: Documentation |
Proficiency radius map if that restriction is still part of your ops limits
Richard Hess
C 404-964-4885
On Jun 4, 2013, at 17:33, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us> wrote:
> Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available for i
nspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
>
> I have:
>
> 1) FAA National Registration
> 2) State Registration
> 3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
> 4) My Pilot's License
> 5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
> 6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
> 7) Operating Limitations
>
> Am I missing anything?
>
> THANX!
>
> --
> Rico Jaeger
> Choir / East High School
> General Music / Horace Mann
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Documentation |
Program letter?=0A=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Rico
Jaeger <rijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us>=0ATo: "Yak-list@matronics.com" <yak-list
@matronics.com> =0ASent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 5:33 PM=0ASubject: Yak-List:
Documentation=0A =0A=0A=0AGuys, can someone please tell me what documents
I must have available for inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"=0A
=0AI have:-=0A=0A1) FAA National Registration- =0A2) State Registration
-=0A3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate-=0A4) My Pil
ot's License-=0A5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)=0A6) Aircraft Logbook w
/ Complete Current Condition Inspection =0A7) Operating Limitations=0A=0AAm
I -missing anything?=0A=0ATHANX!=0A=0A-- =0A=0ARico Jaeger =0AChoir / Ea
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| Subject: | Re: Documentation |
I would be cautious about bringing your log book or those for the aircraft,
Rico. It's been sufficient in my experience to show photo copies of the
pages from the logs which show the aircraft's annual, your BFR, and pitot
static and transponder checks. As noted, your annual program letter should
be aboard. Don't forget the aircraft's weight and balance, and your
medical. For events in waivered airspace, we've also been asked for proof
of insurance, FAST card and parachute repack date.
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us>wrote:
> Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available for
> inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
>
> I have:
>
> 1) FAA National Registration
> 2) State Registration
> 3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
> 4) My Pilot's License
> 5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
> 6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
> 7) Operating Limitations
>
> Am I missing anything?
>
> THANX!
>
> --
> Rico Jaeger
> Choir / East High School
> General Music / Horace Mann
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
... Blitz
Byron M. Fox
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
415-307-2405
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| Subject: | Re: Documentation |
Lets hold up a second here. What the difference between a "ramp check"
and an air show check?
For a common "ramp check" I do believe you need:
Pilot license & medical - yes
Program Letter - yes
Registration and Airworthiness Certificate - yes.
Operation Limitations - yes
Some form of photo ID - yes
Parachutes in date? (their dated card in is the chute) - yes (BTW there
is no excuse, IF a chute is in the airplane, it MUST BE CURRENT).
State registration - why should a Fed be interested in seeing it? No
Proof of Insurance - why should a Fed be interested in seeing it? No
Engine, airframe, and propeller logs? How would the Fed determine
airworthiness if the logs were burn up in the wreckage? You don't even need a
copied of the last condition inspection. No
I've been ramped a number of times and the first 6 items was all they were
interested in.
Now when we start talking air show, insurance, copies of inspections, these
are brought on by the insurance companies, not the Fed. But they are not
required by the Feds to fly in wavier airspace.
I hope someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 6/4/2013 6:34:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
byronmfox@gmail.com writes:
I would be cautious about bringing your log book or those for the
aircraft, Rico. It's been sufficient in my experience to show photo copies of
the
pages from the logs which show the aircraft's annual, your BFR, and pitot
static and transponder checks. As noted, your annual program letter should be
aboard. Don't forget the aircraft's weight and balance, and your medical.
For events in waivered airspace, we've also been asked for proof of
insurance, FAST card and parachute repack date.
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Rico Jaeger <_rijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us_
(mailto:rijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us) > wrote:
Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available for
inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
I have:
1) FAA National Registration
2) State Registration
3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
4) My Pilot's License
5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
7) Operating Limitations
Am I missing anything?
THANX!
--
Rico Jaeger
Choir / East High School
General Music / Horace Mann
et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
--
... Blitz
Byron M. Fox
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
415-307-2405
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| Subject: | Re: Documentation |
Didn't RPA have a check list for airshows? and Rico if your going to accept
anything from the show coordinators (gas motel maybe even food) you-migh
t want a commercial license and 2nd class med also.=0A=0A =0A=0A___________
_____________________=0A From: Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com>=0ATo: Yak LI
st <yak-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Tuesday, June 4, 2013 6:31 PM=0ASubjec
t: Re: Yak-List: Documentation=0A =0A=0A=0AI would be cautious about bring
ing your log book or those for the aircraft, Rico. It's been sufficient in
my experience to show photo copies of the pages from the logs which show th
e aircraft's annual, your BFR, and pitot static and transponder checks. As
noted, your annual program letter should be aboard. Don't forget the aircra
ft's weight and balance, and your medical. For events in waivered airspace,
we've also been asked for proof of insurance, FAST card and parachute repa
ck date. =0A=0A=0A=0AOn Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger@
wausau.k12.wi.us> wrote:=0A=0AGuys, can someone please tell me what documen
ts I must have available for inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
=0A>=0A>=0A>I have:-=0A>=0A>=0A>1) FAA National Registration- =0A>2) St
ate Registration-=0A>3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certifica
te-=0A>4) My Pilot's License-=0A>5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)=0A>6
) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection =0A>7) Operatin
g Limitations=0A>=0A>=0A>Am I -missing anything?=0A>=0A>=0A>THANX!=0A>=0A
>=0A>-- =0A>=0A>Rico Jaeger =0A>Choir / East High School =0A>General Music
/ Horace Mann =0A>et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-Lis
t=0Atp://forums.matronics.com=0A_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contributi
on =0A=0A=0A-- =0A=0A... Blitz=0A=0AByron M. Fox=0A80 Milland Drive=0AMill
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| Subject: | Reduced manifold pressure |
Hi all.It has quit snowing in MN and we're flying again..
During the last few flights in my CJ (285 hp), I have noticed that the
manifold pressure on take-off only going up to 720.
I'm positive that in the past, it would go to 800 and I would back it down
to 700 during climb out.
Yesterday, during a XC, I was seemingly limited to 660.and was sluggish on
TO as well.
Today, 720 on TO.
Got a hop scheduled for Thursday and want to be safe.
Thoughts? Comments?
Always appreciated.
Thanks,
ras
Dr. Robert A. Schroeder
Schroeder Fire Inc.
612.922.2349
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| Subject: | RE: Compressor problem |
Good news from the hangar, my compressor is fine. The first thing I did was
to take the filter off and cover the compressor intake with a latex glove.
Propped it 6 blades and all the air was sucked out of the glove. That was a
nice surprise. We then removed the check valve and found the piston jammed
with carbon. After a good cleaning we put it all back together with new
crush washers and I flew a 5 min test flight. Pressure was maintained above
30. After shutdown a good whoosh from the snot valve. Thank you all for the
tips and thank you Dennis for your expert input. Back in business in very
short order. Gord
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| Subject: | Re: position of oil filter. |
I would also be concerned with the blockage of air flow to the front of the c
ylinders with the disruption of flow to the baffles for #4 & 5. Since the co
oling occurs as a result of the pressure differential between the front of t
he cylinder and at the exit from the narrow opening at the rear of the cylin
der formed by the baffles. If you have the capability of monitoring the CHT o
n those two cylinders. So says the NACCA studies from the 1930's that looked
at the most efficient baffles for cooling the cylinders.
Doc
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On Jun 4, 2013, at 1:09 PM, "Richard Goode" <richard.goode@russianaeros.com>
wrote:
> I know that you were suggesting additional oil cooling by having the filte
r at the front of the engine. I was only making the point that the additiona
l cooling effect will be very small, simply because cooling is proportional t
o the surface area of the cooler, and the surface area of a standard filter i
s extremely small compared to the total exposed surface area of an oil coole
r!
>
> Richard Goode
> Rhodds Farm
> Lyonshall
> Hereford
> HR5 3LW
>
> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
> www.russianaeros.com
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| Subject: | Re: Documentation |
Lotsa great info here, guys. I'm not at the point of any "airshow concerns"
except for a possible voluntary static here and there. Thanks for the tips
and - by all means - keep 'em coming if anyone thinks of anything else. I'd
rather be over-prepared than caught w/ my pants down...! :)
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would be cautious about bringing your log book or those for the
> aircraft, Rico. It's been sufficient in my experience to show photo copies
> of the pages from the logs which show the aircraft's annual, your BFR, and
> pitot static and transponder checks. As noted, your annual program letter
> should be aboard. Don't forget the aircraft's weight and balance, and your
> medical. For events in waivered airspace, we've also been asked for proof
> of insurance, FAST card and parachute repack date.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us>wrote:
>
>> Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available for
>> inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
>>
>> I have:
>>
>> 1) FAA National Registration
>> 2) State Registration
>> 3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
>> 4) My Pilot's License
>> 5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
>> 6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
>> 7) Operating Limitations
>>
>> Am I missing anything?
>>
>> THANX!
>>
>> --
>> Rico Jaeger
>> Choir / East High School
>> General Music / Horace Mann
>>
>> *
>>
>> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
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>>
>>
>
>
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>
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> 80 Milland Drive
> Mill Valley, CA 94941
> 415-307-2405
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Choir / East High School
General Music / Horace Mann
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| Subject: | Why Did YOU Do it? |
Why did you get into a Red Star aircraft?
For me: 1) Saw / met Aerostars @ Manitowoc, WI. 2008. Personable guys
willing to talk Yaks - and their routine makes a heck of a statement on
behalf of the type! (And a FREE TEAM T-SHIRT that has since proudly-worn
beyond useful purposes) 2) While walking "Red Star Row" @ EAA later that
year I was cautioned to step back as a flight of CJ's / Yak's fired up and
taxied out. (Sound is such a big deal to we musicians!) and 3) Herb
Coussons gave me a not-so-gentle introductory hop in his TW at AirVenture
'09. (Still my greatest EAA experience in 27 years attendance!) That was
it. I was firmly smitten w/ the robust construction, pleasing aesthetics,
foreign engineering peculiarities, and the glorious pops of those round
engines! The wrong career to support this hobby forced the wait for the
feasible "in," but I have never lost that "lovin' feelin" every time I walk
into the hangar. (Even when I'm inventing new curse words during some
less-than-pleasant maintenance issues.) And if ALL the parts of my plane
ever function correctly AT THE SAME TIME, I will be livin' the dream!
Close...so very close...hopefully, persistence really DOES pay off!
--
Rico Jaeger
Choir / East High School
General Music / Horace Mann
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| Subject: | Re: Documentation |
Pappy,
I certainly have not been ramped as much as you but what you listed is all t
hat has been asked of me for the local airshows that I have stood static for
.
Pilot license and medical in my wallet
Program Letter, Registration, AW certificate, OL, and parachute currency we
re all that was ever required.
Look at the recommendations on the RPA website.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 4, 2013, at 6:05 PM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
>
> Lets hold up a second here. What the difference between a "ramp check" an
d an air show check?
> For a common "ramp check" I do believe you need:
>
> Pilot license & medical - yes
> Program Letter - yes
> Registration and Airworthiness Certificate - yes.
> Operation Limitations - yes
> Some form of photo ID - yes
> Parachutes in date? (their dated card in is the chute) - yes (BTW there i
s no excuse, IF a chute is in the airplane, it MUST BE CURRENT).
>
> State registration - why should a Fed be interested in seeing it? No
> Proof of Insurance - why should a Fed be interested in seeing it? No
> Engine, airframe, and propeller logs? How would the Fed determine airwort
hiness if the logs were burn up in the wreckage? You don't even need a copie
d of the last condition inspection. No
>
> I've been ramped a number of times and the first 6 items was all they were
interested in.
> Now when we start talking air show, insurance, copies of inspections, thes
e are brought on by the insurance companies, not the Fed. But they are not r
equired by the Feds to fly in wavier airspace.
>
> I hope someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 6/4/2013 6:34:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, byronmfox@
gmail.com writes:
> I would be cautious about bringing your log book or those for the aircraft
, Rico. It's been sufficient in my experience to show photo copies of the pa
ges from the logs which show the aircraft's annual, your BFR, and pitot stat
ic and transponder checks. As noted, your annual program letter should be ab
oard. Don't forget the aircraft's weight and balance, and your medical. For e
vents in waivered airspace, we've also been asked for proof of insurance, FA
ST card and parachute repack date.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us> wr
ote:
>> Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available for
inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
>>
>> I have:
>>
>> 1) FAA National Registration
>> 2) State Registration
>> 3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
>> 4) My Pilot's License
>> 5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
>> 6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
>> 7) Operating Limitations
>>
>> Am I missing anything?
>>
>> THANX!
>>
>> --
>> Rico Jaeger
>> Choir / East High School
>> General Music / Horace Mann
>>
>>
>> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>
>
>
> --
> ... Blitz
>
> Byron M. Fox
> 80 Milland Drive
> Mill Valley, CA 94941
> 415-307-2405
>
>
>
> ="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/
Navigator?Yak-List
> s.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com
> p://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Documentation |
=46rom the Fly Red Star . org website.
Pilot Kitbag
What should you bring if you're heading to an RPA Fly-In or Public Airshow t
o fly mass formation or aerobatics?
AIRSHOWS:
If your airshow is conducted under a 7711 Waiver granted by the FAA (waivere
d airspace), there will be an FAA designated Inspector In Charge (IIC) who h
as a the responsibility of "safety oversight" of the aviation event. Accordi
ng to FAA regulation 8700.1/CH50 he/she may ask to see:
PILOT:
Airman Certificate
A current Medical Certificate
A valid Letter of Authorization in lieu of a type rating if applicable (larg
e radials & jets)
A current statement of Aerobatic Competency if applicable
A current FAST Formation Card if applicable
AIRCRAFT:
The aircraft general condition*
*(to include fuselage required decals, N numbers and instrument markings)
Aircraft Airworthiness and Registration certificates
The Aircraft Operating Limitations
RPA EVENTS:
Everything thats applicable to the above should be brought to RPA events. If
you are flying in formation training and display missions at RPA Fly-Ins an
d Clinics, either as instructor, student or flight member, we ask that you w
ear a fire retardant flight suit. If you will have an RPA instructor in the b
ackseat, please be aware that aircraft manuevers will meet the definition of
aerobatic flight and both occupants will need to have a parachute with curr
ent repack date IAW applicable FARS.
Although the Flight Suit policy only applies to Formation flying, new member
s will find that nearly 100% of attendees at RPA Fly-Ins apply this extremel
y important piece of safety gear to their general warbird flying. With all t
he pockets for water bottles, notepads and cell phones, along with velcro fo
r your patches, the flight suit is the Swiss Army Knife for aviators...
For more information on where to find and register to attend RPA Fly-Ins, pl
ease see the events section of flyredstar....
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 4, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us> wrote:
> Lotsa great info here, guys. I'm not at the point of any "airshow concerns
" except for a possible voluntary static here and there. Thanks for the tips
and - by all means - keep 'em coming if anyone thinks of anything else. I'd
rather be over-prepared than caught w/ my pants down...! :)
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 5:31 PM, Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I would be cautious about bringing your log book or those for the aircraf
t, Rico. It's been sufficient in my experience to show photo copies of the p
ages from the logs which show the aircraft's annual, your BFR, and pitot sta
tic and transponder checks. As noted, your annual program letter should be a
board. Don't forget the aircraft's weight and balance, and your medical. For
events in waivered airspace, we've also been asked for proof of insurance,
FAST card and parachute repack date.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us> w
rote:
>>> Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available fo
r inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
>>>
>>> I have:
>>>
>>> 1) FAA National Registration
>>> 2) State Registration
>>> 3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
>>> 4) My Pilot's License
>>> 5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
>>> 6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
>>> 7) Operating Limitations
>>>
>>> Am I missing anything?
>>>
>>> THANX!
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rico Jaeger
>>> Choir / East High School
>>> General Music / Horace Mann
>>>
>>>
>>> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ... Blitz
>>
>> Byron M. Fox
>> 80 Milland Drive
>> Mill Valley, CA 94941
>> 415-307-2405
>>
>>
>>
>> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Rico Jaeger
> Choir / East High School
> General Music / Horace Mann
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| Subject: | Re: Documentation |
The last airshow I did at Santa Maria, Ca. The FAA would not accept any pho
to copies of anything. But the Van Nuys, Ca. office is a bunch of Nazi's. G
ary. N22YK
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 4, 2013, at 15:31, Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would be cautious about bringing your log book or those for the aircraft
, Rico. It's been sufficient in my experience to show photo copies of the pa
ges from the logs which show the aircraft's annual, your BFR, and pitot stat
ic and transponder checks. As noted, your annual program letter should be ab
oard. Don't forget the aircraft's weight and balance, and your medical. For e
vents in waivered airspace, we've also been asked for proof of insurance, FA
ST card and parachute repack date.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us> wr
ote:
>> Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available for
inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
>>
>> I have:
>>
>> 1) FAA National Registration
>> 2) State Registration
>> 3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
>> 4) My Pilot's License
>> 5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
>> 6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
>> 7) Operating Limitations
>>
>> Am I missing anything?
>>
>> THANX!
>>
>> --
>> Rico Jaeger
>> Choir / East High School
>> General Music / Horace Mann
>>
>>
>> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>> tp://forums.matronics.com
>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>
>
>
>
> --
> ... Blitz
>
> Byron M. Fox
> 80 Milland Drive
> Mill Valley, CA 94941
> 415-307-2405
>
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| Subject: | Air system 'stuff' |
I need an air system relief valve for my M-14P powered Wilga... Mine is
leaky and I can't find seals or a replacement anywhere.
Any ideas? If someone has a lead on one, please let me know! (standard
dump at 45'ish ATM)
Cory
801-599-7715
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| Subject: | Re: Air system 'stuff' |
Check with Doug Sap. The CJ stuff is pretty much interchangeable. George Coy
and Jill Hayes maybe able to help also.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 4, 2013, at 11:15 PM, Cory Robin <crobin@skyvantage.com> wrote:
> I need an air system relief valve for my M-14P powered Wilga... Mine is l
eaky and I can't find seals or a replacement anywhere.
>
> Any ideas? If someone has a lead on one, please let me know! (standard d
ump at 45'ish ATM)
>
> Cory
> 801-599-7715
>
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| Subject: | Re: Air system 'stuff' |
Cory, contact Doug Sapp at (509) 826-4610.
Blitz Fox
415-307-2405
On Jun 4, 2013, at 9:15 PM, Cory Robin <crobin@skyvantage.com> wrote:
> I need an air system relief valve for my M-14P powered Wilga... Mine is l
eaky and I can't find seals or a replacement anywhere.
>
> Any ideas? If someone has a lead on one, please let me know! (standard d
ump at 45'ish ATM)
>
> Cory
> 801-599-7715
>
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