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1. 07:40 AM - Re: Documentation (Joseph Colquitt)
2. 08:23 AM - Re: Documentation (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 09:36 AM - Re: Air system 'stuff' (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
4. 10:08 AM - Re: Documentation (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
5. 10:52 AM - Re: Documentation (Kendal Simpson)
6. 11:20 AM - Re: Air system 'stuff' (A. Dennis Savarese)
7. 11:46 AM - Re: Air system 'stuff' (A. Dennis Savarese)
8. 01:02 PM - Re: Documentation (Etienne Verhellen)
9. 01:17 PM - Re: Air system 'stuff' (Roger Kemp)
10. 05:33 PM - RPA's EAA's Stepchild (Byron Fox)
11. 06:04 PM - Re: RPA's EAA's Stepchild (Rico Jaeger)
12. 10:45 PM - Re: Air system 'stuff' (Cory Robin)
13. 11:49 PM - Re: Re: Documentation (Jan Mevis)
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| Subject: | Re: Documentation |
So, would this be a good checklist for documents to be onboard?
OPERATING NOTEBOOK FOR N420RB
AIRCRAFT
1) FAA Registration
2) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
3) Operating Limitations
4) Annual program letter
5) Copies of pages from aircraft logbook that show current condition inspec
tion ("annual"), and all relevant inspections such as pitot and static syst
em check, compass check, transponder/encoder check
6) Aircraft weight and balance documentation
7) Operating Manual
PILOT
1) Pilot's License
2) Driver's License (Photo ID)
3) Medical
4) Copies of logbook pages showing biennial flight review (BFR), recency do
cumentation - takeoffs, landings, night, etc (if carrying passengers)
OTHER
1) Checklist
2) Parachute repack card
3) Proof of insurance
4) Flight notification (if outside annual program letter)
5) Aeronautical maps
6) Flight planning info
7) Placards inside the canopy visible from the ground saying "Documents on
Board"
Joe
CJ6
Glastar (FS)
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| Subject: | Re: Documentation |
And your FAST card if flying in formation in waivered airspace.
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 6/6/2013 9:37 AM, Joseph Colquitt wrote:
>
> So, would this be a good checklist for documents to be onboard?
>
> OPERATING NOTEBOOK FOR N420RB
>
> AIRCRAFT
>
> 1) FAA Registration
>
> 2) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
>
> 3) Operating Limitations
>
> 4) Annual program letter
>
> 5) Copies of pages from aircraft logbook that show current condition
> inspection ("annual"), and all relevant inspections such as pitot and
> static system check, compass check, transponder/encoder check
>
> 6) Aircraft weight and balance documentation
>
> 7) Operating Manual
>
> PILOT
>
> 1) Pilot's License
>
> 2) Driver's License (Photo ID)
>
> 3) Medical
>
> 4) Copies of logbook pages showing biennial flight review (BFR),
> recency documentation - takeoffs, landings, night, etc (if carrying
> passengers)
>
> OTHER
>
> 1) Checklist
>
> 2) Parachute repack card
>
> 3) Proof of insurance
>
> 4) Flight notification (if outside annual program letter)
>
> 5) Aeronautical maps
>
> 6) Flight planning info
>
> 7) Placards inside the canopy visible from the ground saying
> Documents on Board
>
> Joe
>
> CJ6
>
> Glastar (FS)
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Air system 'stuff' |
Just FYI.
The CJ6 valve ASSEMBLY that Doug has, is not always a direct replacement for every
YAK pressure relief valve. Slightly different fittings in some cases.
But the answer is obvious. If you take apart HIS valve and remove the sealing
piston, spring and screw on pressure adjusting top piece, and put them on yours,
they fit perfectly and will work perfectly.
You will then have to reset your maximum pressure. Be careful.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cory Robin
Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 1:00
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air system 'stuff'
Thank you all. I contacted Doug and have a valve on it's way.
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Not saying anything contrary to your advise here Doc..... (just happened to use
your message as a REPLY TO) but let's step back and think for a moment.
1. Last Conditional Inspection Date. Copied from Aircraft Logs.
2. Personal Logbook Biannual date. Copied from Personal Flight Logbook
3. Pitot Static Check Copied from Aircraft Logs.
4. Transponder Check. Copied from Aircraft Logs.
Gents, these kinds of things are not required to be carried by any pilot in any
aircraft to any event. Yes, you make the FAA Reps job easier by having all these
things there in your pocket. That said, you are also giving him more things
to inspect personally that open the door to him being able to find more things
wrong, even if they are all perfect.
To each his own of course, and I am not trying to tell anyone else what do to...
but.... for 35 years I was never ramp checked. When I started going to Air
Shows, the ramp checks started and some things were not always pleasant.
The FAA has the right to request you to make copies of whatever specific entries
from whatever logbooks you are required to maintain. It is not incumbent on
you to anticipate those needs and have copies in hand to present them. You are
not required to pay for, or make "Certified Copies" although that is never
a bad idea, especially when and if you want to cover your own six when sending
them in.
There is a vast... I say again.... *VAST* difference between FISDO's and how they
work with General Aviation. Some are great, some are not so great. Some are
just downright terrible. It's the luck of the draw, but I believe it is best
to hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
Don't give these guys anything that you are not required to have. Have what you
are required to have, and beyond that it is up to you... but personally I would
not try to anticipate their needs and go above simply in an effort to please
them. Comply, but don't cater to.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp M.D.
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 22:25
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Documentation
make a certified copy. They can not deny authenticity with a certification seal
on the document.
Otherwise they can FOAD.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:25 PM, Gary Gabbard <ggg6@att.net> wrote:
The last airshow I did at Santa Maria, Ca. The FAA would not accept any photo
copies of anything. But the Van Nuys, Ca. office is a bunch of Nazi's. Gary.
N22YK
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 4, 2013, at 15:31, Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
I would be cautious about bringing your log book or those for the aircraft, Rico.
It's been sufficient in my experience to show photo copies of the pages from
the logs which show the aircraft's annual, your BFR, and pitot static and
transponder checks. As noted, your annual program letter should be aboard. Don't
forget the aircraft's weight and balance, and your medical. For events in waivered
airspace, we've also been asked for proof of insurance, FAST card and
parachute repack date.
On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us> wrote:
Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available for inspection
should I ever get "ramp checked?"
I have:
1) FAA National Registration
2) State Registration
3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
4) My Pilot's License
5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
7) Operating Limitations
Am I missing anything?
THANX!
--
Rico Jaeger
Choir / East High School
General Music / Horace Mann
et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
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--
... Blitz
Byron M. Fox
80 Milland Drive
Mill Valley, CA 94941
415-307-2405
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| Subject: | Re: Documentation |
As an airshow performer we are required to show all the documents below when we
fly under the airshow waiver. Therefore if the Feds are at an airshow and looking
at documents those are the things they are expecting to see... You are correct
those documents don't have to be carried for normal operations but it has
been my experience that when I hand over a neatly arranged binder with copies
of all the documents on his original list the Inspectors leaf through it, smile,
say thanks and walk away. I've seen many performers dig documents out of
15 different places and waste a lot of time and effort and then some inspectors
dig deeper. Just my 2 cents
Kendal
www.acronut.com
On Jun 6, 2013, at 19:05, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
wrote:
>
> Not saying anything contrary to your advise here Doc..... (just happened to use
your message as a REPLY TO) but let's step back and think for a moment.
>
> 1. Last Conditional Inspection Date. Copied from Aircraft Logs.
> 2. Personal Logbook Biannual date. Copied from Personal Flight Logbook
> 3. Pitot Static Check Copied from Aircraft Logs.
> 4. Transponder Check. Copied from Aircraft Logs.
>
> Gents, these kinds of things are not required to be carried by any pilot in any
aircraft to any event. Yes, you make the FAA Reps job easier by having all
these things there in your pocket. That said, you are also giving him more things
to inspect personally that open the door to him being able to find more
things wrong, even if they are all perfect.
>
> To each his own of course, and I am not trying to tell anyone else what do to...
but.... for 35 years I was never ramp checked. When I started going to Air
Shows, the ramp checks started and some things were not always pleasant.
>
> The FAA has the right to request you to make copies of whatever specific entries
from whatever logbooks you are required to maintain. It is not incumbent
on you to anticipate those needs and have copies in hand to present them. You
are not required to pay for, or make "Certified Copies" although that is never
a bad idea, especially when and if you want to cover your own six when sending
them in.
>
> There is a vast... I say again.... *VAST* difference between FISDO's and how
they work with General Aviation. Some are great, some are not so great. Some
are just downright terrible. It's the luck of the draw, but I believe it is
best to hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.
>
> Don't give these guys anything that you are not required to have. Have what
you are required to have, and beyond that it is up to you... but personally I
would not try to anticipate their needs and go above simply in an effort to please
them. Comply, but don't cater to.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp M.D.
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 22:25
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Documentation
>
> make a certified copy. They can not deny authenticity with a certification seal
on the document.
> Otherwise they can FOAD.
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 4, 2013, at 10:25 PM, Gary Gabbard <ggg6@att.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> The last airshow I did at Santa Maria, Ca. The FAA would not accept any photo
copies of anything. But the Van Nuys, Ca. office is a bunch of Nazi's.
Gary. N22YK
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 4, 2013, at 15:31, Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I would be cautious about bringing your log book or those for the aircraft,
Rico. It's been sufficient in my experience to show photo copies of the
pages from the logs which show the aircraft's annual, your BFR, and pitot static
and transponder checks. As noted, your annual program letter should be aboard.
Don't forget the aircraft's weight and balance, and your medical. For events
in waivered airspace, we've also been asked for proof of insurance, FAST card
and parachute repack date.
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Rico Jaeger <rijaeger@wausau.k12.wi.us>
wrote:
>
>
> Guys, can someone please tell me what documents I must have available
for inspection should I ever get "ramp checked?"
>
> I have:
>
> 1) FAA National Registration
> 2) State Registration
> 3) Experimental / Exhibition Airworthiness Certificate
> 4) My Pilot's License
> 5) My Driver's License (Photo ID)
> 6) Aircraft Logbook w/ Complete Current Condition Inspection
> 7) Operating Limitations
>
> Am I missing anything?
>
> THANX!
>
>
> --
>
> Rico Jaeger
> Choir / East High School
> General Music / Horace Mann
>
>
> et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> tp://forums.matronics.com
> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> ... Blitz
>
> Byron M. Fox
> 80 Milland Drive
> Mill Valley, CA 94941
> 415-307-2405
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> ist"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> D============================================
> //forums.matronics.com
> D============================================
> ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> D============================================
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| Subject: | Re: Air system 'stuff' |
Unfortunately, the CJ6's pressure relief valve or pop off valve's
internal components are not the same as the one on the 52. The pistons
are not interchangeable.
If you need a new piston for a Yak 52 pop off valve, I believe Jill has
them and so does Cliff Coy at Border Air. The spring for the 52's pop
off valve may be a little harder to find. But Jill or Cliff can help
with that.
We have converted a few Yak 52's to the CJ6 pop off valve assembly with
the two Chinese check valves because the Chinese check valves are
significantly less expensive and Doug typically has them or overhaul
kits in stock. (Thank you Doug). The Russian check valves are VERY
expensive, IF you can find them.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 6/6/2013 11:34 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD wrote:
>
> Just FYI.
>
> The CJ6 valve ASSEMBLY that Doug has, is not always a direct replacement for
every YAK pressure relief valve. Slightly different fittings in some cases.
>
> But the answer is obvious. If you take apart HIS valve and remove the sealing
piston, spring and screw on pressure adjusting top piece, and put them on yours,
they fit perfectly and will work perfectly.
>
> You will then have to reset your maximum pressure. Be careful.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cory Robin
> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 1:00
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air system 'stuff'
>
> Thank you all. I contacted Doug and have a valve on it's way.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Air system 'stuff' |
The Yak 50 pop off valve internal components may be interchangeable with
the Chinese components. But definitely not the Yak 52.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 6/6/2013 1:18 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
> Unfortunately, the CJ6's pressure relief valve or pop off valve's
> internal components are not the same as the one on the 52. The
> pistons are not interchangeable.
>
> If you need a new piston for a Yak 52 pop off valve, I believe Jill
> has them and so does Cliff Coy at Border Air. The spring for the 52's
> pop off valve may be a little harder to find. But Jill or Cliff can
> help with that.
>
> We have converted a few Yak 52's to the CJ6 pop off valve assembly
> with the two Chinese check valves because the Chinese check valves are
> significantly less expensive and Doug typically has them or overhaul
> kits in stock. (Thank you Doug). The Russian check valves are VERY
> expensive, IF you can find them.
>
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-285-6263
> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
> www.yak-52.com
> Skype - Yakguy1
>
> On 6/6/2013 11:34 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD wrote:
>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> Just FYI.
>>
>> The CJ6 valve ASSEMBLY that Doug has, is not always a direct
>> replacement for every YAK pressure relief valve. Slightly different
>> fittings in some cases.
>>
>> But the answer is obvious. If you take apart HIS valve and remove
>> the sealing piston, spring and screw on pressure adjusting top piece,
>> and put them on yours, they fit perfectly and will work perfectly.
>>
>> You will then have to reset your maximum pressure. Be careful.
>>
>> Mark Bitterlich
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cory Robin
>> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 1:00
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air system 'stuff'
>>
>> Thank you all. I contacted Doug and have a valve on it's way.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Documentation |
Mark, at least, in the good old United States of America, you guys are lucky enough
to have a fairly common set of rules, applicable to all Yaks, CJs, etc ..
... similar rules for all States and the FAA has been sensible enough to have
the EXPERIMENTAL Category for Non Certified Aircraft.
You are very lucky boys !
Here in Sunny (at the moment !) Europe, under the European Aviation Safety Agency
(EASA), 'Airworthiness' of Yaks and other russian flying machines is 'controlled'
on a National basis ...
And as can be easily be guessed, European bureaucrats have been totally unable
to agree on common standards to maintain and operate Yaks in Europe !
The first national european (!) Civil Aviation Authority to produce rules to maintain
and operate Yaks in Europe was the UK CAA.
After turning a blind eye, for a very long time on what was going on, other National
European CAAs are now playing catch up ...
As far as common reasonable standards to maintain and operate Yaks in Europe ...
one can only dream ... but DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH !
http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issues_original_363.pdf
http://www.emagazine.flightinternational.com/1Z4dd63f96463e4012.cde/page/downloadPDF.php?id=14895&pages=497523
The French CAA for instance (DGAC - OSAC) is struggling to produce 'Airworthiness
Directives', what they call "Consignes de Navigabilit" for Yaks. And they are
about to establish very different rules for the Yak-50 and Yak-52 for instance.
You tell me !
And would be very VERY surprised if they were to adopt the same rules as the British
! ;-)
Why does it matter you may ask ?
Well, it's very simple Mark, I want to be FREE to fly Yaks (50 and 52) everywhere
in Europe and it's a little bit annoying if the rules changes each time I fly
over a european border.
Or in other words, any Yak pilots who is complying with the 'sensible' rules of
one European CAA should be allowed to fly freely in ALL other European countries.
That's what I think and that's what I do !
Let's no worry about that too much ! 8)
Let's go flying while the sun is shinning !
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/233410/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-52/
Enjoy the summer ...
--------
http://ukga.com/content/view?contentId=29581
http://ukga.com/images/content/image29581.jpg
http://www.flyredstar.org/gallery2/Yak/Heimo_Lamberg_011.jpg
http://www.flyredstar.org/gallery2/Yak/Etienne%20landing%20747-400..jpg
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402147#402147
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| Subject: | Re: Air system 'stuff' |
Speaking for the 78 model 50, the internal components are not the same YAK vs the
CJ. It is easy to swap the entire check valve assembly out though. That is
what I did on the 50. Solved the leaking check valve at the pop off problem in
about 4 hours. Just wish I had caught the airline leak at the manifold for the
acutators before the gear collapsed. Would have saved a lot of headaches!
Doc
-----Original Message-----
>From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>Sent: Jun 6, 2013 1:44 PM
>To: yak-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air system 'stuff'
>
>
>The Yak 50 pop off valve internal components may be interchangeable with
>the Chinese components. But definitely not the Yak 52.
>Dennis
>
>A. Dennis Savarese
>334-285-6263
>334-546-8182 (mobile)
>www.yak-52.com
>Skype - Yakguy1
>
>On 6/6/2013 1:18 PM, A. Dennis Savarese wrote:
>> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>>
>> Unfortunately, the CJ6's pressure relief valve or pop off valve's
>> internal components are not the same as the one on the 52. The
>> pistons are not interchangeable.
>>
>> If you need a new piston for a Yak 52 pop off valve, I believe Jill
>> has them and so does Cliff Coy at Border Air. The spring for the 52's
>> pop off valve may be a little harder to find. But Jill or Cliff can
>> help with that.
>>
>> We have converted a few Yak 52's to the CJ6 pop off valve assembly
>> with the two Chinese check valves because the Chinese check valves are
>> significantly less expensive and Doug typically has them or overhaul
>> kits in stock. (Thank you Doug). The Russian check valves are VERY
>> expensive, IF you can find them.
>>
>> Dennis
>>
>> A. Dennis Savarese
>> 334-285-6263
>> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
>> www.yak-52.com
>> Skype - Yakguy1
>>
>> On 6/6/2013 11:34 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD wrote:
>>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>
>>> Just FYI.
>>>
>>> The CJ6 valve ASSEMBLY that Doug has, is not always a direct
>>> replacement for every YAK pressure relief valve. Slightly different
>>> fittings in some cases.
>>>
>>> But the answer is obvious. If you take apart HIS valve and remove
>>> the sealing piston, spring and screw on pressure adjusting top piece,
>>> and put them on yours, they fit perfectly and will work perfectly.
>>>
>>> You will then have to reset your maximum pressure. Be careful.
>>>
>>> Mark Bitterlich
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cory Robin
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 06, 2013 1:00
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Air system 'stuff'
>>>
>>> Thank you all. I contacted Doug and have a valve on it's way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | RPA's EAA's Stepchild |
Against the back fence and at the end of the program. We join the EAA, why?
http://www.airventure.org/attractions/warbirds-in-review.html
Blitz Fox
415-307-2405
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| Subject: | Re: RPA's EAA's Stepchild |
LOL!! FEEL THE LOVE AND THE PRIDE!!!!!!!
On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 7:30 PM, Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
> Against the back fence and at the end of the program. We join the EAA, why?
>
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| Subject: | Re: Air system 'stuff' |
Well, I got the stuff from Doug and they indeed don't fit, but I'll try
your idea to take it apart and see if guts fit... I didn't think of that.
Wondering about the world of Pitts 12 guys.. There has to be an air relief
valve in the USA that'll start pissing at 45-50 bar right?
Or are you guys all married to the eastern stuff (which is good stuff, but
my Wilga parts are drying up!)
Cory.
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| Subject: | Re: Documentation |
I am perfectly happy with the French registration of my Yak 50, Etienne!
And why did EASA decide that all Annexe II aircraft should be handled on a
national basis - for now?
Because it is so complex. Annexe II is a collection of exceptions, per
definition.
Furthermore: "Europe", EASA that's Big Brother. They dictate how whe
have to live.
I prefer by far the national civil servants instead of the European
super-bureaucrats.
A European regulation for Annexe II might put us all on the ground,
forever. It would be VERY expensive, to start with.
Only my 2 cents,
Jan
On 06/06/13 22:00, "Etienne Verhellen" <janie@yak52.fr> wrote:
>
>Mark, at least, in the good old United States of America, you guys are
>lucky enough to have a fairly common set of rules, applicable to all
>Yaks, CJs, etc .. ... similar rules for all States and the FAA has been
>sensible enough to have the EXPERIMENTAL Category for Non Certified
>Aircraft.
>
>You are very lucky boys !
>
>Here in Sunny (at the moment !) Europe, under the European Aviation
>Safety Agency (EASA), 'Airworthiness' of Yaks and other russian flying
>machines is 'controlled' on a National basis ...
>
>And as can be easily be guessed, European bureaucrats have been totally
>unable to agree on common standards to maintain and operate Yaks in
>Europe !
>
>The first national european (!) Civil Aviation Authority to produce rules
>to maintain and operate Yaks in Europe was the UK CAA.
>
>After turning a blind eye, for a very long time on what was going on,
>other National European CAAs are now playing catch up ...
>
>As far as common reasonable standards to maintain and operate Yaks in
>Europe ... one can only dream ... but DO NOT HOLD YOUR BREATH !
>
>http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issues_orig
>inal_363.pdf
>http://www.emagazine.flightinternational.com/1Z4dd63f96463e4012.cde/page/d
>ownloadPDF.php?id=14895&pages=497523
>
>The French CAA for instance (DGAC - OSAC) is struggling to produce
>'Airworthiness Directives', what they call "Consignes de Navigabilit"
>for Yaks. And they are about to establish very different rules for the
>Yak-50 and Yak-52 for instance. You tell me !
>
>And would be very VERY surprised if they were to adopt the same rules as
>the British ! ;-)
>
>Why does it matter you may ask ?
>
>Well, it's very simple Mark, I want to be FREE to fly Yaks (50 and 52)
>everywhere in Europe and it's a little bit annoying if the rules changes
>each time I fly over a european border.
>
>Or in other words, any Yak pilots who is complying with the 'sensible'
>rules of one European CAA should be allowed to fly freely in ALL other
>European countries. That's what I think and that's what I do !
>
>Let's no worry about that too much ! 8)
>
>Let's go flying while the sun is shinning !
>
>http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/233410/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>52/
>
>Enjoy the summer ...
>
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>http://ukga.com/content/view?contentId=29581
>http://ukga.com/images/content/image29581.jpg
>http://www.flyredstar.org/gallery2/Yak/Heimo_Lamberg_011.jpg
>http://www.flyredstar.org/gallery2/Yak/Etienne%20landing%20747-400..jpg
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=402147#402147
>
>
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