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1. 08:55 AM - Surplus Parts (James P. Bernier)
2. 09:40 AM - Re: Surplus Parts (Dr Andres Katz)
3. 11:46 AM - Re: Chip detector light (FJ Slyfield)
4. 01:38 PM - AOPA Article (Cpayne)
5. 03:24 PM - Re: AOPA article (Frank Stelwagon)
6. 03:27 PM - Yak-52 pneumatic in-line air filter (flying@jeffhove.com)
7. 04:29 PM - Re: AOPA Article (Jon Boede)
8. 04:48 PM - Re: AOPA Article (Dr. Robert Schroeder)
9. 04:55 PM - Re: AOPA Article (Scott)
10. 05:34 PM - Re: AOPA Article (Roger Kemp M.D.)
11. 05:40 PM - Re: Yak-52 pneumatic in-line air filter (Roger Kemp M.D.)
12. 06:11 PM - Re: Re: Chip detector light (Roger Kemp M.D.)
13. 06:12 PM - Planetary gears in the nose case (Roger Kemp M.D.)
14. 06:13 PM - Planetary gears in the nose case (Roger Kemp M.D.)
15. 09:12 PM - Re: Re: Chip detector light (Walter Lannon)
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| Subject: | Re: Surplus Parts |
no email came with this
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From: James P. Bernier <James.Bernier@stvinc.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 10:53 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Surplus Parts
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| Subject: | Re: Chip detector light |
Looks like some sort of safety wire from upstream that migrated into the tube.
Did you do an oil sample analysis?
Ranger
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 20, 2013, at 16:21, Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
> Today the chip detector light in my M14P illuminated. Nothing on the screen when
removed, but this very fine wire was up in tube into which the screen fits.
It's about 30mm in length and is sitting next to a 2" paper clip in the picture.
It's also steel, not stainless steel. Any thoughts?
>
> Only thing done differently lately was a 40 minute "Out of Control Flight" lesson
with Skip Slyfield on Sunday. Pulled 4.5 Gs positive and 1G negative. Essentially
a recovery from unusual attitudes exercise.
>
>
>
> <photo.JPG>
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>
>
> Blitz Fox
> 415-307-2405
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Just got my AOPA mag. It has a fly-off between Rich Romaine's 285HP CJ and a T-34
with an IO-550. Of course the CJ lost the "fly-off" and was trashed by the
author for it's looks and systems. The guy incorrectly stated that the front seat
didn't adjust as well. Too bad they didn't fly a little 1-V-1, but that's
not the kind of flying AOPA writers do.
BTW, Yak-52's were dumped into the same trash bin as the CJ-6. That should piss
off somebody.
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA article |
I don't remember a CJ ever being grounded for a wing center section
failure. I guess Beech (or whatever they are now called) needs all the
help they can get.
Frank
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| Subject: | Yak-52 pneumatic in-line air filter |
When I take off the pneumatic system air filter from the Yak-52 firewall
and look into one opening, is it proper to see through to the other side?
It looks like the air has blasted straight through whatever element was
there.
A maintenance manual diagram shows this should have a disk element held
with a spring. Is the element replaceable?
The case has two pairs of dimples or holes around the threaded seam, like
it was staked or has very small drift-pins to prevent unscrewing it. How
do you open it without damage?
The Matronics archives show a lot of discussion about the CJ's desiccant
filter, but not much about the Yak's, and the maintenance documents I've
found don't mention servicing this item.
Blue Skies,
Jeff Hove
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Good. The T-34 can continue to act as a "Shell No-Pest Strip" for people n
ot bright enough to buy a CJ or Yak. :-)
"Why yes=2C yes indeed=2C 'real' pilots fly the T-34! Why don't you join t
hem over there and help them iron their scarves?" Nothing to see here. Mo
ve along.
> Date: Fri=2C 21 Jun 2013 16:36:06 -0400
> From: cpayne@joimail.com
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: AOPA Article
>
>
> Just got my AOPA mag. It has a fly-off between Rich Romaine's 285HP CJ an
d a T-34 with an IO-550. Of course the CJ lost the "fly-off" and was trashe
d by the author for it's looks and systems. The guy incorrectly stated that
the front seat didn't adjust as well. Too bad they didn't fly a little 1-V
-1=2C but that's not the kind of flying AOPA writers do.
>
> BTW=2C Yak-52's were dumped into the same trash bin as the CJ-6. That sho
uld piss off somebody.
>
> Craig Payne
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Well stated.and I love the "nothing to see here.Move along".least we forget
the common attraction to bright shiny things.mine is not bright and the
shiny is only if I don't wipe her down after a hop.
_____
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Boede
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:27 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: AOPA Article
Good. The T-34 can continue to act as a "Shell No-Pest Strip" for people
not bright enough to buy a CJ or Yak. :-)
"Why yes, yes indeed, 'real' pilots fly the T-34! Why don't you join them
over there and help them iron their scarves?" Nothing to see here. Move
along.
> Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:36:06 -0400
> From: cpayne@joimail.com
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: AOPA Article
>
>
> Just got my AOPA mag. It has a fly-off between Rich Romaine's 285HP CJ and
a T-34 with an IO-550. Of course the CJ lost the "fly-off" and was trashed
by the author for it's looks and systems. The guy incorrectly stated that
the front seat didn't adjust as well. Too bad they didn't fly a little
1-V-1, but that's not the kind of flying AOPA writers do.
>
> BTW, Yak-52's were dumped into the same trash bin as the CJ-6. That should
piss off somebody.
>
> Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Article |
Ok, Let's take a stock T 34 with it it's 225 horse engine versa a stock CJ6A
with it's 285 hp engine. I'll take on a 300 horse T-34 with my 14 P powered
CJ any day of the week and I wonder why they chose 10,000 feet for the comp
arison I much rather have had 6000
Scott Andrews
602-705-4413
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On Jun 21, 2013, at 4:46 PM, "Dr. Robert Schroeder" <firedog@visi.com> wrote
:
> Well statedand I love the =9Cnothing to see hereMo
ve along=9Dleast we forget the common attraction to bright sh
iny thingsmine is not bright and the shiny is only if I don=99
t wipe her down after a hop.
>
>
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@ma
tronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Boede
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:27 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Yak-List: AOPA Article
>
> Good. The T-34 can continue to act as a "Shell No-Pest Strip" for people n
ot bright enough to buy a CJ or Yak. :-)
>
> "Why yes, yes indeed, 'real' pilots fly the T-34! Why don't you join them
over there and help them iron their scarves?" Nothing to see here. Move a
long.
>
> > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:36:06 -0400
> > From: cpayne@joimail.com
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Yak-List: AOPA Article
> >
> >
> > Just got my AOPA mag. It has a fly-off between Rich Romaine's 285HP CJ a
nd a T-34 with an IO-550. Of course the CJ lost the "fly-off" and was trashe
d by the author for it's looks and systems. The guy incorrectly stated that t
he front seat didn't adjust as well. Too bad they didn't fly a little 1-V-1,
but that's not the kind of flying AOPA writers do.
> >
> > BTW, Yak-52's were dumped into the same trash bin as the CJ-6. That shou
ld piss off somebody.
> >
> > Craig Payne
>
>
>
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
> http://forums.matronics.com
> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: AOPA Article |
Have not read the article yet. Would love to see the 5 G T-34 hang with me d
oing a little BFM with the 52. Put the 50 in the ring and I'll take it in le
ss than one turn. I'll be glad to play with them at 10,000 ft too.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 21, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Scott <onthegosa@aol.com> wrote:
> Ok, Let's take a stock T 34 with it it's 225 horse engine versa a stock CJ
6A with it's 285 hp engine. I'll take on a 300 horse T-34 with my 14 P power
ed CJ any day of the week and I wonder why they chose 10,000 feet for the co
mparison I much rather have had 6000
>
> Scott Andrews
> 602-705-4413
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 21, 2013, at 4:46 PM, "Dr. Robert Schroeder" <firedog@visi.com> wro
te:
>
>> Well statedand I love the =9Cnothing to see hereM
ove along=9Dleast we forget the common attraction to bright s
hiny thingsmine is not bright and the shiny is only if I don=99
t wipe her down after a hop.
>>
>>
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m
atronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Boede
>> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:27 PM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RE: Yak-List: AOPA Article
>>
>> Good. The T-34 can continue to act as a "Shell No-Pest Strip" for people
not bright enough to buy a CJ or Yak. :-)
>>
>> "Why yes, yes indeed, 'real' pilots fly the T-34! Why don't you join the
m over there and help them iron their scarves?" Nothing to see here. Move a
long.
>>
>> > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:36:06 -0400
>> > From: cpayne@joimail.com
>> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> > Subject: Yak-List: AOPA Article
>> >
>> >
>> > Just got my AOPA mag. It has a fly-off between Rich Romaine's 285HP CJ a
nd a T-34 with an IO-550. Of course the CJ lost the "fly-off" and was trashe
d by the author for it's looks and systems. The guy incorrectly stated that t
he front seat didn't adjust as well. Too bad they didn't fly a little 1-V-1,
but that's not the kind of flying AOPA writers do.
>> >
>> > BTW, Yak-52's were dumped into the same trash bin as the CJ-6. That sho
uld piss off somebody.
>> >
>> > Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re: Yak-52 pneumatic in-line air filter |
It is a throw away. There is a filter screen in the center of that thing along
with steel wool looking stuff. It is tough as hell to get it apart. At least mine
was. eventually drilled a hole in the center and installed Doug's desiccant
filter.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 21, 2013, at 5:24 PM, flying@jeffhove.com wrote:
>
> When I take off the pneumatic system air filter from the Yak-52 firewall
> and look into one opening, is it proper to see through to the other side?
>
> It looks like the air has blasted straight through whatever element was
> there.
> A maintenance manual diagram shows this should have a disk element held
> with a spring. Is the element replaceable?
>
> The case has two pairs of dimples or holes around the threaded seam, like
> it was staked or has very small drift-pins to prevent unscrewing it. How
> do you open it without damage?
>
> The Matronics archives show a lot of discussion about the CJ's desiccant
> filter, but not much about the Yak's, and the maintenance documents I've
> found don't mention servicing this item.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Jeff Hove
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Chip detector light |
Blitz,
I did not get the pix for some reason your original message did not come through.
About the only place safety wire is used with in the engine is on the planetary
gears on the gear reduction drive in the nose case. The axels are safety
wired with thin gauge wire. Don't remember the gauge. If you found that in the
chip detector that is the most likely origin. It will be easy to get to to repair
since it is sitting right in front of your face after you pull the nose case
off. Hopefully the axel has not started to out of the gear and the 8 mm nut
has not spun loose. You probably caught this one early.
If memory serves me correct there are not other places in the interior of the
engine that uses safety wire to secure nuts. Everything else is lock tabbed.
Sorry, I share your misery.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 21, 2013, at 1:42 PM, FJ Slyfield <norske.fly@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Looks like some sort of safety wire from upstream that migrated into the tube.
Did you do an oil sample analysis?
> Ranger
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 20, 2013, at 16:21, Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Today the chip detector light in my M14P illuminated. Nothing on the screen
when removed, but this very fine wire was up in tube into which the screen fits.
It's about 30mm in length and is sitting next to a 2" paper clip in the picture.
It's also steel, not stainless steel. Any thoughts?
>>
>> Only thing done differently lately was a 40 minute "Out of Control Flight" lesson
with Skip Slyfield on Sunday. Pulled 4.5 Gs positive and 1G negative. Essentially
a recovery from unusual attitudes exercise.
>>
>>
>>
>> <photo.JPG>
>>
>>
>>
>> Blitz Fox
>> 415-307-2405
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Planetary gears in the nose case |
Blitz,
This is what I am talking about.
Doc
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| Subject: | Planetary gears in the nose case |
Blitz,
This is what I am talking about.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
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| Subject: | Re: Chip detector light |
Hi Blitz;
Your photo shows a wire of possibly less than 0.020" in dia. Could you
measure it?
How did you determine it is not stainless steel? If it is carbon steel it
will have a very strong magnetic attraction. If stainless it will have none
OR a very light magnetic attraction depending on the Ni (nickel) content of
the alloy.
I do not believe there is any carbon steel safety wire made for aviation use
and the smallest dia. available in stainless or Inconel, etc. is 0.020". At
least in Western use!
The shape of the piece is not indicative of safety wire and gives a lot of
credence to Doug's suggestion of a failed wire brush (or wheel!). Wire
wheels (and possibly hand brushes) are made with both carbon and stainless
wire with diameters down to 0.005".
If it is safety wire it will be very malleable, If a brush wire it will be
stiffer and somewhat difficult to form by hand. If less than 0.020' in dia.
that would suggest a brush wire.
Cheers;
Walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Kemp M.D.
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Chip detector light
Blitz,
I did not get the pix for some reason your original message did not come
through. About the only place safety wire is used with in the engine is on
the planetary gears on the gear reduction drive in the nose case. The axels
are safety wired with thin gauge wire. Don't remember the gauge. If you
found that in the chip detector that is the most likely origin. It will be
easy to get to to repair since it is sitting right in front of your face
after you pull the nose case off. Hopefully the axel has not started to out
of the gear and the 8 mm nut has not spun loose. You probably caught this
one early.
If memory serves me correct there are not other places in the interior of
the engine that uses safety wire to secure nuts. Everything else is lock
tabbed.
Sorry, I share your misery.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Jun 21, 2013, at 1:42 PM, FJ Slyfield <norske.fly@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Looks like some sort of safety wire from upstream that migrated into the
> tube. Did you do an oil sample analysis?
> Ranger
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 20, 2013, at 16:21, Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Today the chip detector light in my M14P illuminated. Nothing on the
>> screen when removed, but this very fine wire was up in tube into which
>> the screen fits. It's about 30mm in length and is sitting next to a 2"
>> paper clip in the picture. It's also steel, not stainless steel. Any
>> thoughts?
>>
>> Only thing done differently lately was a 40 minute "Out of Control
>> Flight" lesson with Skip Slyfield on Sunday. Pulled 4.5 Gs positive and
>> 1G negative. Essentially a recovery from unusual attitudes exercise.
>>
>>
>>
>> <photo.JPG>
>>
>>
>>
>> Blitz Fox
>> 415-307-2405
>
>
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