---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/21/13: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:55 AM - Surplus Parts (James P. Bernier) 2. 09:40 AM - Re: Surplus Parts (Dr Andres Katz) 3. 11:46 AM - Re: Chip detector light (FJ Slyfield) 4. 01:38 PM - AOPA Article (Cpayne) 5. 03:24 PM - Re: AOPA article (Frank Stelwagon) 6. 03:27 PM - Yak-52 pneumatic in-line air filter (flying@jeffhove.com) 7. 04:29 PM - Re: AOPA Article (Jon Boede) 8. 04:48 PM - Re: AOPA Article (Dr. Robert Schroeder) 9. 04:55 PM - Re: AOPA Article (Scott) 10. 05:34 PM - Re: AOPA Article (Roger Kemp M.D.) 11. 05:40 PM - Re: Yak-52 pneumatic in-line air filter (Roger Kemp M.D.) 12. 06:11 PM - Re: Re: Chip detector light (Roger Kemp M.D.) 13. 06:12 PM - Planetary gears in the nose case (Roger Kemp M.D.) 14. 06:13 PM - Planetary gears in the nose case (Roger Kemp M.D.) 15. 09:12 PM - Re: Re: Chip detector light (Walter Lannon) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:46 AM PST US From: "James P. Bernier" Subject: Yak-List: Surplus Parts --- MIME Errors - No Plain-Text Section Found --- A message with no text/plain MIME section was received. The entire body of the message was removed. Please resend the email using Plain Text formatting. HOTMAIL is notorious for only including an HTML section in their client's default configuration. If you're using HOTMAIL, please see your email application's settings and switch to a default mail option that uses "Plain Text". --- MIME Errors No Plain-Text Section Found --- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:12 AM PST US From: Dr Andres Katz Subject: Re: Yak-List: Surplus Parts no email came with this ak ________________________________ From: James P. Bernier Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 10:53 AM Subject: Yak-List: Surplus Parts ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:46:36 AM PST US From: FJ Slyfield Subject: Yak-List: Re: Chip detector light Looks like some sort of safety wire from upstream that migrated into the tube. Did you do an oil sample analysis? Ranger Sent from my iPhone On Jun 20, 2013, at 16:21, Byron Fox wrote: > Today the chip detector light in my M14P illuminated. Nothing on the screen when removed, but this very fine wire was up in tube into which the screen fits. It's about 30mm in length and is sitting next to a 2" paper clip in the picture. It's also steel, not stainless steel. Any thoughts? > > Only thing done differently lately was a 40 minute "Out of Control Flight" lesson with Skip Slyfield on Sunday. Pulled 4.5 Gs positive and 1G negative. Essentially a recovery from unusual attitudes exercise. > > > > > > > > Blitz Fox > 415-307-2405 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:38:19 PM PST US From: Cpayne Subject: Yak-List: AOPA Article Just got my AOPA mag. It has a fly-off between Rich Romaine's 285HP CJ and a T-34 with an IO-550. Of course the CJ lost the "fly-off" and was trashed by the author for it's looks and systems. The guy incorrectly stated that the front seat didn't adjust as well. Too bad they didn't fly a little 1-V-1, but that's not the kind of flying AOPA writers do. BTW, Yak-52's were dumped into the same trash bin as the CJ-6. That should piss off somebody. Craig Payne ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:24:33 PM PST US From: "Frank Stelwagon" Subject: Yak-List: Re: AOPA article I don't remember a CJ ever being grounded for a wing center section failure. I guess Beech (or whatever they are now called) needs all the help they can get. Frank ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:02 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Yak-52 pneumatic in-line air filter From: flying@jeffhove.com When I take off the pneumatic system air filter from the Yak-52 firewall and look into one opening, is it proper to see through to the other side? It looks like the air has blasted straight through whatever element was there. A maintenance manual diagram shows this should have a disk element held with a spring. Is the element replaceable? The case has two pairs of dimples or holes around the threaded seam, like it was staked or has very small drift-pins to prevent unscrewing it. How do you open it without damage? The Matronics archives show a lot of discussion about the CJ's desiccant filter, but not much about the Yak's, and the maintenance documents I've found don't mention servicing this item. Blue Skies, Jeff Hove ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:09 PM PST US From: Jon Boede Subject: RE: Yak-List: AOPA Article Good. The T-34 can continue to act as a "Shell No-Pest Strip" for people n ot bright enough to buy a CJ or Yak. :-) "Why yes=2C yes indeed=2C 'real' pilots fly the T-34! Why don't you join t hem over there and help them iron their scarves?" Nothing to see here. Mo ve along. > Date: Fri=2C 21 Jun 2013 16:36:06 -0400 > From: cpayne@joimail.com > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: AOPA Article > > > Just got my AOPA mag. It has a fly-off between Rich Romaine's 285HP CJ an d a T-34 with an IO-550. Of course the CJ lost the "fly-off" and was trashe d by the author for it's looks and systems. The guy incorrectly stated that the front seat didn't adjust as well. Too bad they didn't fly a little 1-V -1=2C but that's not the kind of flying AOPA writers do. > > BTW=2C Yak-52's were dumped into the same trash bin as the CJ-6. That sho uld piss off somebody. > > Craig Payne ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:27 PM PST US From: "Dr. Robert Schroeder" Subject: RE: Yak-List: AOPA Article Well stated.and I love the "nothing to see here.Move along".least we forget the common attraction to bright shiny things.mine is not bright and the shiny is only if I don't wipe her down after a hop. _____ From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Boede Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:27 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: AOPA Article Good. The T-34 can continue to act as a "Shell No-Pest Strip" for people not bright enough to buy a CJ or Yak. :-) "Why yes, yes indeed, 'real' pilots fly the T-34! Why don't you join them over there and help them iron their scarves?" Nothing to see here. Move along. > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:36:06 -0400 > From: cpayne@joimail.com > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: AOPA Article > > > Just got my AOPA mag. It has a fly-off between Rich Romaine's 285HP CJ and a T-34 with an IO-550. Of course the CJ lost the "fly-off" and was trashed by the author for it's looks and systems. The guy incorrectly stated that the front seat didn't adjust as well. Too bad they didn't fly a little 1-V-1, but that's not the kind of flying AOPA writers do. > > BTW, Yak-52's were dumped into the same trash bin as the CJ-6. That should piss off somebody. > > Craig Payne ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: AOPA Article From: Scott Ok, Let's take a stock T 34 with it it's 225 horse engine versa a stock CJ6A with it's 285 hp engine. I'll take on a 300 horse T-34 with my 14 P powered CJ any day of the week and I wonder why they chose 10,000 feet for the comp arison I much rather have had 6000 Scott Andrews 602-705-4413 Sent from my iPhone On Jun 21, 2013, at 4:46 PM, "Dr. Robert Schroeder" wrote : > Well statedand I love the =9Cnothing to see hereMo ve along=9Dleast we forget the common attraction to bright sh iny thingsmine is not bright and the shiny is only if I don=99 t wipe her down after a hop. > > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@ma tronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Boede > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:27 PM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Yak-List: AOPA Article > > Good. The T-34 can continue to act as a "Shell No-Pest Strip" for people n ot bright enough to buy a CJ or Yak. :-) > > "Why yes, yes indeed, 'real' pilots fly the T-34! Why don't you join them over there and help them iron their scarves?" Nothing to see here. Move a long. > > > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:36:06 -0400 > > From: cpayne@joimail.com > > To: yak-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Yak-List: AOPA Article > > > > > > Just got my AOPA mag. It has a fly-off between Rich Romaine's 285HP CJ a nd a T-34 with an IO-550. Of course the CJ lost the "fly-off" and was trashe d by the author for it's looks and systems. The guy incorrectly stated that t he front seat didn't adjust as well. Too bad they didn't fly a little 1-V-1, but that's not the kind of flying AOPA writers do. > > > > BTW, Yak-52's were dumped into the same trash bin as the CJ-6. That shou ld piss off somebody. > > > > Craig Payne > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:11 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: AOPA Article From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Have not read the article yet. Would love to see the 5 G T-34 hang with me d oing a little BFM with the 52. Put the 50 in the ring and I'll take it in le ss than one turn. I'll be glad to play with them at 10,000 ft too. Doc Sent from my iPad On Jun 21, 2013, at 6:53 PM, Scott wrote: > Ok, Let's take a stock T 34 with it it's 225 horse engine versa a stock CJ 6A with it's 285 hp engine. I'll take on a 300 horse T-34 with my 14 P power ed CJ any day of the week and I wonder why they chose 10,000 feet for the co mparison I much rather have had 6000 > > Scott Andrews > 602-705-4413 > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 21, 2013, at 4:46 PM, "Dr. Robert Schroeder" wro te: > >> Well statedand I love the =9Cnothing to see hereM ove along=9Dleast we forget the common attraction to bright s hiny thingsmine is not bright and the shiny is only if I don=99 t wipe her down after a hop. >> >> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon Boede >> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:27 PM >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: AOPA Article >> >> Good. The T-34 can continue to act as a "Shell No-Pest Strip" for people not bright enough to buy a CJ or Yak. :-) >> >> "Why yes, yes indeed, 'real' pilots fly the T-34! Why don't you join the m over there and help them iron their scarves?" Nothing to see here. Move a long. >> >> > Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2013 16:36:06 -0400 >> > From: cpayne@joimail.com >> > To: yak-list@matronics.com >> > Subject: Yak-List: AOPA Article >> > >> > >> > Just got my AOPA mag. It has a fly-off between Rich Romaine's 285HP CJ a nd a T-34 with an IO-550. Of course the CJ lost the "fly-off" and was trashe d by the author for it's looks and systems. The guy incorrectly stated that t he front seat didn't adjust as well. Too bad they didn't fly a little 1-V-1, but that's not the kind of flying AOPA writers do. >> > >> > BTW, Yak-52's were dumped into the same trash bin as the CJ-6. That sho uld piss off somebody. >> > >> > Craig Payne >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> http://forums.matronics.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> ========================= ========= >> //www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> ========================= ========= >> cs.com >> ========================= ========= >> matronics.com/contribution >> ========================= ========= >> > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak-52 pneumatic in-line air filter From: "Roger Kemp M.D." It is a throw away. There is a filter screen in the center of that thing along with steel wool looking stuff. It is tough as hell to get it apart. At least mine was. eventually drilled a hole in the center and installed Doug's desiccant filter. Doc Sent from my iPad On Jun 21, 2013, at 5:24 PM, flying@jeffhove.com wrote: > > When I take off the pneumatic system air filter from the Yak-52 firewall > and look into one opening, is it proper to see through to the other side? > > It looks like the air has blasted straight through whatever element was > there. > A maintenance manual diagram shows this should have a disk element held > with a spring. Is the element replaceable? > > The case has two pairs of dimples or holes around the threaded seam, like > it was staked or has very small drift-pins to prevent unscrewing it. How > do you open it without damage? > > The Matronics archives show a lot of discussion about the CJ's desiccant > filter, but not much about the Yak's, and the maintenance documents I've > found don't mention servicing this item. > > Blue Skies, > Jeff Hove > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:12 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Chip detector light From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Blitz, I did not get the pix for some reason your original message did not come through. About the only place safety wire is used with in the engine is on the planetary gears on the gear reduction drive in the nose case. The axels are safety wired with thin gauge wire. Don't remember the gauge. If you found that in the chip detector that is the most likely origin. It will be easy to get to to repair since it is sitting right in front of your face after you pull the nose case off. Hopefully the axel has not started to out of the gear and the 8 mm nut has not spun loose. You probably caught this one early. If memory serves me correct there are not other places in the interior of the engine that uses safety wire to secure nuts. Everything else is lock tabbed. Sorry, I share your misery. Doc Sent from my iPad On Jun 21, 2013, at 1:42 PM, FJ Slyfield wrote: > > Looks like some sort of safety wire from upstream that migrated into the tube. Did you do an oil sample analysis? > Ranger > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 20, 2013, at 16:21, Byron Fox wrote: > >> Today the chip detector light in my M14P illuminated. Nothing on the screen when removed, but this very fine wire was up in tube into which the screen fits. It's about 30mm in length and is sitting next to a 2" paper clip in the picture. It's also steel, not stainless steel. Any thoughts? >> >> Only thing done differently lately was a 40 minute "Out of Control Flight" lesson with Skip Slyfield on Sunday. Pulled 4.5 Gs positive and 1G negative. Essentially a recovery from unusual attitudes exercise. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Blitz Fox >> 415-307-2405 > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:27 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Planetary gears in the nose case From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Blitz, This is what I am talking about. Doc Sent from my iPad
________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:12 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Planetary gears in the nose case From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Blitz, This is what I am talking about. Doc Sent from my iPad
________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:12:59 PM PST US From: "Walter Lannon" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Chip detector light Hi Blitz; Your photo shows a wire of possibly less than 0.020" in dia. Could you measure it? How did you determine it is not stainless steel? If it is carbon steel it will have a very strong magnetic attraction. If stainless it will have none OR a very light magnetic attraction depending on the Ni (nickel) content of the alloy. I do not believe there is any carbon steel safety wire made for aviation use and the smallest dia. available in stainless or Inconel, etc. is 0.020". At least in Western use! The shape of the piece is not indicative of safety wire and gives a lot of credence to Doug's suggestion of a failed wire brush (or wheel!). Wire wheels (and possibly hand brushes) are made with both carbon and stainless wire with diameters down to 0.005". If it is safety wire it will be very malleable, If a brush wire it will be stiffer and somewhat difficult to form by hand. If less than 0.020' in dia. that would suggest a brush wire. Cheers; Walt -----Original Message----- From: Roger Kemp M.D. Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 6:08 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Chip detector light Blitz, I did not get the pix for some reason your original message did not come through. About the only place safety wire is used with in the engine is on the planetary gears on the gear reduction drive in the nose case. The axels are safety wired with thin gauge wire. Don't remember the gauge. If you found that in the chip detector that is the most likely origin. It will be easy to get to to repair since it is sitting right in front of your face after you pull the nose case off. Hopefully the axel has not started to out of the gear and the 8 mm nut has not spun loose. You probably caught this one early. If memory serves me correct there are not other places in the interior of the engine that uses safety wire to secure nuts. Everything else is lock tabbed. Sorry, I share your misery. Doc Sent from my iPad On Jun 21, 2013, at 1:42 PM, FJ Slyfield wrote: > > Looks like some sort of safety wire from upstream that migrated into the > tube. Did you do an oil sample analysis? > Ranger > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 20, 2013, at 16:21, Byron Fox wrote: > >> Today the chip detector light in my M14P illuminated. Nothing on the >> screen when removed, but this very fine wire was up in tube into which >> the screen fits. It's about 30mm in length and is sitting next to a 2" >> paper clip in the picture. It's also steel, not stainless steel. Any >> thoughts? >> >> Only thing done differently lately was a 40 minute "Out of Control >> Flight" lesson with Skip Slyfield on Sunday. Pulled 4.5 Gs positive and >> 1G negative. Essentially a recovery from unusual attitudes exercise. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Blitz Fox >> 415-307-2405 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.