---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/09/13: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:42 AM - Re: M14PF (Robin Hou) 2. 08:58 AM - Re: M14PF (Byron Fox) 3. 09:07 AM - Re: M14PF (Andy Hawes) 4. 09:21 AM - Re: M14PF (Gill Gutierrez) 5. 09:26 AM - Re: M14PF (Andy Hawes) 6. 09:39 AM - Re: M14PF (dabear) 7. 09:59 AM - Re: M14PF (Richard Goode) 8. 10:19 AM - Re: M14PF (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD) 9. 10:38 AM - Re: M14PF (dabear) 10. 11:29 AM - Re: M14PF (Marcus Bates) 11. 11:58 AM - Re: M14PF (Andy Hawes) 12. 12:05 PM - Re: M14PF (cjpilot710@aol.com) 13. 12:13 PM - Re: M14PF (cjpilot710@aol.com) 14. 12:21 PM - Re: M14PF (cjpilot710@AOL.COM) 15. 12:36 PM - Re: M14PF (cjpilot710@aol.com) 16. 12:42 PM - Re: M14PF (cjpilot710@aol.com) 17. 12:49 PM - Re: M14PF (cjpilot710@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:21 AM PST US From: Robin Hou Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF Hi Pappy,=0AI am geographically challenged. In how many flight or engine ho urs did you use those 5 qt of oil?=0AThanks,=0ARobin ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF From: Byron Fox Pappy, you mentioned that you put "total seal" rings on your standard M14P cylinders. Are the rings, therefore, gapless? Thanks, Blitz On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 8:46 PM, James Goolsby wrote: > Yep. Did a top overhaul at 438 hr and at 1,600+ Minor work on the nose > section and 3 cylinder replaced at the last top. Bottom end still tight. > Mags overhauled once. Put on auto plugs and wires. Put electronic > ignition on right mag position, (about 40 hours or so - some minor clich =E9s > ) but got 11.4 and 11.6 gal/hr (9,500' 2820rpm and full throttle minus 1" ) > on the two legs from OSH. > I have always had a 10 micron oil filter, plus a pre-oiler. At the last > top I had Barrett put on total seal rings on standard pistons. I flew fr om > Florida to Delaware, to OSH back to Delaware and used 5 qt. oil. > > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby > > Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun. > > On Aug 8, 2013, at 16:52, "dabear" wrote: > > Anyone have a pilot report who has taken an M14PF past 1,000 hours?**** > > ** ** > > Bear**** > > * > > ======================== > //www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > ======================== ===========cs.com > ======================== ===========matronics.com/contribution > ======================== > * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- ... Blitz Byron M. Fox 80 Milland Drive Mill Valley, CA 94941 415-307-2405 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:01 AM PST US From: Andy Hawes Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF Hoping he meant .5 quarts, not 5. Andy Hawes On Aug 9, 2013, at 10:40 AM, Robin Hou wrote: > Hi Pappy, > I am geographically challenged. In how many flight or engine hours did you use those 5 qt of oil? > Thanks, > Robin > > From: James Goolsby ; > To: yak-list@matronics.com ; > Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF > Sent: Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:46:54 AM > > Yep. Did a top overhaul at 438 hr and at 1,600+ Minor work on the nose section and 3 cylinder replaced at the last top. Bottom end still tight. Mags overhauled once. Put on auto plugs and wires. Put electronic ignition on right mag position, (about 40 hours or so - some minor clich=E9s ) but got 11.4 and 11.6 gal/hr (9,500' 2820rpm and full throttle minus 1") on the two legs from OSH. > I have always had a 10 micron oil filter, plus a pre-oiler. At the last top I had Barrett put on total seal rings on standard pistons. I flew from Florida to Delaware, to OSH back to Delaware and used 5 qt. oil. > > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby > > Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun. > > On Aug 8, 2013, at 16:52, "dabear" wrote: > >> Anyone have a pilot report who has taken an M14PF past 1,000 hours? >> >> Bear >> >> >> ========= >> //www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> ========= >> cs.com >> ======================== >> matronics.com/contribution >> ======================== >> > http://www.matronics.com/contrib============== > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:43 AM PST US From: "Gill Gutierrez" Subject: RE: Yak-List: M14PF 2820 rpm seems kind of high for cruise. From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Goolsby Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 8:47 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF Yep. Did a top overhaul at 438 hr and at 1,600+ Minor work on the nose section and 3 cylinder replaced at the last top. Bottom end still tight. Mags overhauled once. Put on auto plugs and wires. Put electronic ignition on right mag position, (about 40 hours or so - some minor clich=C3=A9s ) but got 11.4 and 11.6 gal/hr (9,500' 2820rpm and full throttle minus 1") on the two legs from OSH. I have always had a 10 micron oil filter, plus a pre-oiler. At the last top I had Barrett put on total seal rings on standard pistons. I flew from Florida to Delaware, to OSH back to Delaware and used 5 qt. oil. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun. On Aug 8, 2013, at 16:52, "dabear" wrote: Anyone have a pilot report who has taken an M14PF past 1,000 hours? Bear ========= //www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:50 AM PST US From: Andy Hawes Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF Speaking of engine life . . . In my never ending long distance approach to building an airplane and somehow raise a family, work, and coach baseball, I am growing more and more concerned about rust or preservation issues with my stock M14P 0 time rebuild. Yes it is preserved as completed by Motorstar, Bacau - Romania, however, as it sits now for 7 coming on 8 years in my insulated but not sealed home shop -- Nashville, TN -- I was hoping to get success stories from folks who have come across similar time frames when running for the first time. I keep changing out desiccant bags installed on shelves inside the wood crate on a fairly regular basis, but with the Nashville humidity, I still stay worried. I would think the plastic (4mil?) wrap, brown thick paper, oil in and over the engine, desiccant plugs, etc would do the trick, but I've never been down this road before. I think I read one thread here about a fella that de-preserved and ran successfully a similar engine and time frame (12 years?), but would like to hear from other folks their take on this issue. Although I believe the value of the engine sitting on the shop floor has outperformed the stock market, it aint worth a hill of beans if she doesn't fire. Next time I think I'll wait on the engine until AFTER there is a built airframe to hang it on. I've asked Cliff Coy about this every couple years, and he keeps saying in effect, don't worry -- I appreciate his experience and advice over the years, but easier said than done. Thanks for any advice gentlemen -- Andy Hawes On Aug 9, 2013, at 10:40 AM, Robin Hou wrote: > Hi Pappy, > I am geographically challenged. In how many flight or engine hours did you use those 5 qt of oil? > Thanks, > Robin > > From: James Goolsby ; > To: yak-list@matronics.com ; > Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF > Sent: Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:46:54 AM > > Yep. Did a top overhaul at 438 hr and at 1,600+ Minor work on the nose section and 3 cylinder replaced at the last top. Bottom end still tight. Mags overhauled once. Put on auto plugs and wires. Put electronic ignition on right mag position, (about 40 hours or so - some minor clich=E9s ) but got 11.4 and 11.6 gal/hr (9,500' 2820rpm and full throttle minus 1") on the two legs from OSH. > I have always had a 10 micron oil filter, plus a pre-oiler. At the last top I had Barrett put on total seal rings on standard pistons. I flew from Florida to Delaware, to OSH back to Delaware and used 5 qt. oil. > > Jim "Pappy" Goolsby > > Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun. > > On Aug 8, 2013, at 16:52, "dabear" wrote: > >> Anyone have a pilot report who has taken an M14PF past 1,000 hours? >> >> Bear >> >> >> ========= >> //www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> ========= >> cs.com >> ======================== >> matronics.com/contribution >> ======================== >> > http://www.matronics.com/contrib============== > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:40 AM PST US From: "dabear" Subject: RE: Yak-List: M14PF Figuring the total flight hours for that route is easily 12 hours, 5 qts is great. Bear From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Hawes Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 12:05 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF Hoping he meant .5 quarts, not 5. Andy Hawes On Aug 9, 2013, at 10:40 AM, Robin Hou wrote: Hi Pappy, I am geographically challenged. In how many flight or engine hours did you use those 5 qt of oil? Thanks, Robin _____ From: James Goolsby ; Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF Sent: Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:46:54 AM Yep. Did a top overhaul at 438 hr and at 1,600+ Minor work on the nose section and 3 cylinder replaced at the last top. Bottom end still tight. Mags overhauled once. Put on auto plugs and wires. Put electronic ignition on right mag position, (about 40 hours or so - some minor clich=E9s ) but got 11.4 and 11.6 gal/hr (9,500' 2820rpm and full throttle minus 1") on the two legs from OSH. I have always had a 10 micron oil filter, plus a pre-oiler. At the last top I had Barrett put on total seal rings on standard pistons. I flew from Florida to Delaware, to OSH back to Delaware and used 5 qt. oil. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun. On Aug 8, 2013, at 16:52, "dabear" > wrote: Anyone have a pilot report who has taken an M14PF past 1,000 hours? Bear ========= //www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= http://www.matronics.com/contrib============== href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics .com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontri bution ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:04 AM PST US From: "Richard Goode" Subject: RE: Yak-List: M14PF In our experience, if corrosion is going to happen in an M 14 P, it is usually in the cylinders. So the one critical thing to do is to make sure that they are all completely filled with clean oil. Of course the Russians were very conservative, but they used to have a six-year "life" for engines in store, and if not installed within that time it would then go back to one of the engine factories for an overhaul. This was later increased to 10 years. Richard Goode Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW United Kingdom Tel: +94 (0) 81 241 5137 (Sri Lanka) Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com I=92m currently in Sri Lanka but this Mail is working,and my local phone is +94 779 132 160. From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Hawes Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 9:55 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF Speaking of engine life . . . In my never ending long distance approach to building an airplane and somehow raise a family, work, and coach baseball, I am growing more and more concerned about rust or preservation issues with my stock M14P 0 time rebuild. Yes it is preserved as completed by Motorstar, Bacau - Romania, however, as it sits now for 7 coming on 8 years in my insulated but not sealed home shop -- Nashville, TN -- I was hoping to get success stories from folks who have come across similar time frames when running for the first time. I keep changing out desiccant bags installed on shelves inside the wood crate on a fairly regular basis, but with the Nashville humidity, I still stay worried. I would think the plastic (4mil?) wrap, brown thick paper, oil in and over the engine, desiccant plugs, etc would do the trick, but I've never been down this road before. I think I read one thread here about a fella that de-preserved and ran successfully a similar engine and time frame (12 years?), but would like to hear from other folks their take on this issue. Although I believe the value of the engine sitting on the shop floor has outperformed the stock market, it aint worth a hill of beans if she doesn't fire. Next time I think I'll wait on the engine until AFTER there is a built airframe to hang it on. I've asked Cliff Coy about this every couple years, and he keeps saying in effect, don't worry -- I appreciate his experience and advice over the years, but easier said than done. Thanks for any advice gentlemen -- Andy Hawes On Aug 9, 2013, at 10:40 AM, Robin Hou wrote: Hi Pappy, I am geographically challenged. In how many flight or engine hours did you use those 5 qt of oil? Thanks, Robin _____ From: James Goolsby ; Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF Sent: Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:46:54 AM Yep. Did a top overhaul at 438 hr and at 1,600+ Minor work on the nose section and 3 cylinder replaced at the last top. Bottom end still tight. Mags overhauled once. Put on auto plugs and wires. Put electronic ignition on right mag position, (about 40 hours or so - some minor clich=E9s ) but got 11.4 and 11.6 gal/hr (9,500' 2820rpm and full throttle minus 1") on the two legs from OSH. I have always had a 10 micron oil filter, plus a pre-oiler. At the last top I had Barrett put on total seal rings on standard pistons. I flew from Florida to Delaware, to OSH back to Delaware and used 5 qt. oil. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun. On Aug 8, 2013, at 16:52, "dabear" > wrote: Anyone have a pilot report who has taken an M14PF past 1,000 hours? Bear ========= //www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= http://www.matronics.com/contrib============== href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List">http://www.matronics .com/ Navigator?Yak-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontri bution -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:59 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: M14PF From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" Not if you are in a hurry. From: Gill Gutierrez Sent: Fri 8/9/2013 12:19 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: M14PF 2820 rpm seems kind of high for cruise. From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of James Goolsby Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 8:47 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF Yep. Did a top overhaul at 438 hr and at 1,600+ Minor work on the nose se ction and 3 cylinder replaced at the last top. Bottom end still tight. Ma gs overhauled once. Put on auto plugs and wires. Put electronic ignition on right mag position, (about 40 hours or so - some minor clich=E9s ) but g ot 11.4 and 11.6 gal/hr (9,500' 2820rpm and full throttle minus 1") on the two legs from OSH. I have always had a 10 micron oil filter, plus a pre-oiler. At the last to p I had Barrett put on total seal rings on standard pistons. I flew from F lorida to Delaware, to OSH back to Delaware and used 5 qt. oil. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun. On Aug 8, 2013, at 16:52, "dabear" wrote: Anyone have a pilot report who has taken an M14PF past 1,000 hours? Bear ========= //www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:38:19 AM PST US From: "dabear" Subject: RE: Yak-List: M14PF Yes, but looking at the fuel burn he mentions, I bet he meant to type 1820 rpm. Also, I wouldn=92t run the engine at 2820rpm for more than a few min. Certainly not a couple of hours. Bear From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: M14PF Not if you are in a hurry. _____ From: Gill Gutierrez Sent: Fri 8/9/2013 12:19 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: M14PF 2820 rpm seems kind of high for cruise. From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Goolsby Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 8:47 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF Yep. Did a top overhaul at 438 hr and at 1,600+ Minor work on the nose section and 3 cylinder replaced at the last top. Bottom end still tight. Mags overhauled once. Put on auto plugs and wires. Put electronic ignition on right mag position, (about 40 hours or so - some minor clich=E9s ) but got 11.4 and 11.6 gal/hr (9,500' 2820rpm and full throttle minus 1") on the two legs from OSH. I have always had a 10 micron oil filter, plus a pre-oiler. At the last top I had Barrett put on total seal rings on standard pistons. I flew from Florida to Delaware, to OSH back to Delaware and used 5 qt. oil. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun. On Aug 8, 2013, at 16:52, "dabear" wrote: Anyone have a pilot report who has taken an M14PF past 1,000 hours? Bear ========= //www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution et=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List p://forums.matronics.com/ blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:47 AM PST US From: Marcus Bates Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF =0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A Look into the- cylinders with a borescope or bend-a-light- (light on end of a flexible stalk)- o r get one at harbor freight.- You will be surprised at how good you will be able to see.=0A ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:58:07 AM PST US From: Andy Hawes Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF Will do that for sure when I get it mounted. Thanks for the tip. On Aug 9, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Marcus Bates wrote: > > > Look into the cylinders with a borescope or bend-a-light (light on end of a flexible stalk) or get one at harbor freight. You will be surprised at how good you will be able to see. > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:17 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF About 6 hours to KILG, 5 hrs to KOSH, 5 hrs at KOSH, 5 hrs back KILG. About 21 hours. I'll need to add a qt before heading south to home which w ill take about 6 hrs. I keep my tank at 13 to 14 liters (13 to 14 qts to us) a s it seems to blow it out when I get over 15 qts. Pappy In a message dated 8/9/2013 11:43:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, r mhou@yahoo.com writes: Hi Pappy, I am geographically challenged. In how many flight or engine hours did you use those 5 qt of oil? Thanks, Robin ____________________________________ From: James Goolsby ; Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF Sent: Fri, Aug 9, 2013 3:46:54 AM Yep. Did a top overhaul at 438 hr and at 1,600+ Minor work on the nose section and 3 cylinder replaced at the last top. Bottom end still tight. Mags overhauled once. Put on auto plugs and wires. Put electronic ignitio n on right mag position, (about 40 hours or so - some minor clich=E9s ) but got 11.4 and 11.6 gal/hr (9,500' 2820rpm and full throttle minus 1") on the two legs from OSH. I have always had a 10 micron oil filter, plus a pre-oiler. At the last top I had Barrett put on total seal rings on standard pistons. I flew from Florida to Delaware, to OSH back to Delaware and used 5 qt. oil. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:13 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF Yep, You can get higher pressure pistons from Barrett also. His "standard" pistons for the gapless rings are different than the standard M14p piston, but you get the same compression ratio. I did that because I felt since my 'bottom end' had so much time it, I didn't want to put the extra stress on it from the extra power. That was my call. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 8/9/2013 11:59:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, byronmfox@gmail.com writes: Pappy, you mentioned that you put "total seal" rings on your standard M14P cylinders. Are the rings, therefore, gapless? Thanks, Blitz ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:29 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF It is. Actually I want it down to around 1700 rpm. I had an issue with a prop was 'running away' in decent even with the lever all the way back. It turned out I had use the wrong manual to get the prop setting from. After 3 calls (1 to Jill and 2 to Whirlwind) I got the correct pitch set-in. I'm now need to continue tweeking the governor. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 8/9/2013 12:22:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gill.g@gpimail.com writes: 2820 rpm seems kind of high for cruise. From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Goolsby Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2013 8:47 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF Yep. Did a top overhaul at 438 hr and at 1,600+ Minor work on the nose section and 3 cylinder replaced at the last top. Bottom end still tight. Mags overhauled once. Put on auto plugs and wires. Put electronic ignitio n on right mag position, (about 40 hours or so - some minor clich=E9s ) but got 11.4 and 11.6 gal/hr (9,500' 2820rpm and full throttle minus 1") on the two legs from OSH. I have always had a 10 micron oil filter, plus a pre-oiler. At the last top I had Barrett put on total seal rings on standard pistons. I flew from Florida to Delaware, to OSH back to Delaware and used 5 qt. oil. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:10 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF I don't remember the times but the manual had max times depending on where the engine is stored. But hearing where you have it stored, I have to agree with Cliff, don't worry about it. With any engine I recommend a real good filter (20 microns or less). Simply keep an eye on it and your chip detector. BTW there is a drain screw on top of the carb, for draining the preservative. It is the only one not safety wired. MAKE SURE YOU SAFETY WIRE IT AFTER DEPRESERVING IT. Not doing so, will cause an engine failure. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby In a message dated 8/9/2013 12:27:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, andy717@comcast.net writes: Speaking of engine life . . . In my never ending long distance approach to building an airplane and somehow raise a family, work, and coach baseball, I am growing more and more concerned about rust or preservation issues with my stock M14P 0 time rebuild. Yes it is preserved as completed by Motorstar, Bacau - Romania, however, as it sits now for 7 coming on 8 years in my insulated but not sealed home shop -- Nashville, TN -- I was hoping to get success stories from folks who have come across similar time frames when running for the first time. I keep changing out desiccant bags installed on shelves inside the wood crate on a fairly regular basis, but with the Nashville humidity, I still stay worried. I would think the plastic (4mil?) wrap, brown thick paper, oil in and over the engine, desiccant plugs, etc would do the trick, but I've never been down this road before. I think I read one thread here about a fella that de-preserved and ran successfully a similar engine and time frame (12 years?), but would like to hear from other folks their take on this issue. Although I believe the value of the engine sitting on the shop floor has outperformed the stock market, it aint worth a hill of beans if she doesn't fire. Next time I think I'll wait on the engine until AFTER there is a built airframe to hang it on. I've asked Cliff Coy about this every couple years, and he keeps saying in effect, don't worry -- I appreciate his experience and advice over the years, but easier said than done. Thanks for any advice gentlemen -- Andy Hawes ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:42:03 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF That's true. My IAS was about 122 kts. When I was pushing 135kts, I'd burn about 15.5+ gal/hr. Pappy In a message dated 8/9/2013 1:20:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.bitterlich@navy.mil writes: Not if you are in a hurry. ____________________________________ From: Gill Gutierrez Sent: Fri 8/9/2013 12:19 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: M14PF 2820 rpm seems kind of high for cruise. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:30 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: M14PF Dead Bear, Thanks for catching my typo! 1820rpms is correct! Craig Payne just ran his engine in a race up at OSH on a 400mile course at 2400rpm and full throttle. He was burning about 24gal/hr! Of course he clocked 191kts (yes 1-9-1) for the course. Pappy In a message dated 8/9/2013 1:38:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dabear@damned.org writes: Yes, but looking at the fuel burn he mentions, I bet he meant to type 1820 rpm. Also, I wouldn=99t run the engine at 2820rpm for more than a few min. Certainly not a couple of hours. Bear From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD Sent: Friday, August 09, 2013 1:17 PM Subject: RE: Yak-List: M14PF Not if you are in a hurry. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.