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1. 03:17 AM - Re:Hydraulic Lock Prevention (Cpayne)
2. 04:49 AM - Re: Re:Hydraulic Lock Prevention (cjpilot710@aol.com)
3. 07:12 AM - Re: Re:Hydraulic Lock Prevention (Roger Kemp M.D.)
4. 08:51 AM - Re: Team-Up Program (Barry Hancock)
5. 09:34 AM - Re: Team-Up Program (BKENNAMORE@aol.com)
6. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: Team-Up Program (Walter Lannon)
7. 10:31 AM - Re: Hydraulic Lock Prevention (Walter Lannon)
8. 01:22 PM - Re: Re:Hydraulic Lock Prevention (cjpilot710@aol.com)
9. 03:17 PM - Oil Temp Sender (Cory Robin)
10. 06:18 PM - For all you bomber types (doug sapp)
11. 10:04 PM - Re: Re:Hydraulic Lock Prevention (Roger Kemp M.D.)
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| Subject: | Re:Hydraulic Lock Prevention |
Walt,
Do not believe there is a solution to "prevent" hydro lock, only various techniques
to mitigate. My "window" fits the M-14P Series II engines and allows the
operator to position the prop with all of the lower cylinder pistons near BDC
by putting #1 at TDC. It helps but does not fix the issue.
Pilots must still follow POH procedures and always pull through. I also use the
helicopter oil tank shut off with a 1/4" plate welded on the bottom of the tank
to prevent cracking. While some folks are sensitive to the sight of blood;
I get weak in the knees and tremble at the sight of oil on the hanger floor:)
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re:Hydraulic Lock Prevention |
I have both systems on my airplane. I put on Payne's simply because I
like cheap, simple, effective ideas (also I happen to like his wife ;-) ).
I re-enforced the bottom of my oil tank after it cracked, sometime after I
installed Bill Blackwell's system. Except for the crack, the system has
worked flawlessly for over 1700 hours. I STILL pull my prop though before
start. BTW at the foundation, on the B-24 I fly, we pull the props through
on the PW 1830s before the first start of the day. The 1830s and the 1820s
on the B-17 have never had a lock in the 13 years I've been flying them.
We fly them each day, and pull them though each day. The ramp under the
1830s are dry however under the B-17, the R1820 leaves its calling card. (I'm
little surprised the EPA isn't chasseing our ass around)
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 8/16/2013 6:17:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
cpayne@joimail.com writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
Walt,
Do not believe there is a solution to "prevent" hydro lock, only various
techniques to mitigate. My "window" fits the M-14P Series II engines and
allows the operator to position the prop with all of the lower cylinder
pistons near BDC by putting #1 at TDC. It helps but does not fix the issue.
Pilots must still follow POH procedures and always pull through. I also
use the helicopter oil tank shut off with a 1/4" plate welded on the bottom
of the tank to prevent cracking. While some folks are sensitive to the sight
of blood; I get weak in the knees and tremble at the sight of oil on the
hanger floor:)
Craig Payne
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| Subject: | Re:Hydraulic Lock Prevention |
Yep, the Air Force does get a little touchy about their ramps getting marked
by the YAKs and CJs. At the last MXF airshow I took her to one of the ramp r
ats was awfully concerned about the oil Miss Mollie was dripping on the ramp
after I opened the intake drain. He really liked my quote " don't worry, I'
m just winding up the hamsters" as I pulled blades to depart especially whe
n she hit about blade four and puked on his clean ramp.
At the Gathering of Eagles my YAK and a B-26 were the only round motors ther
e. Then of course there was the P-51. Again the ramp rats were all touchy ab
out the oil dripping from the stacks...especially from the 26! Now that bugg
er can soil a nice pretty sealed ramp over in the fuel cell area with their l
ight brown epoxy painted ramps. The poor airman that was watching the those r
ound motors puke on his ramp was quit concerned to say the least.
I just told him not to worry, " they are just marking their territory". Of c
ourse he was looking at me like I was a fossil!
Too funny,
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 16, 2013, at 6:45 AM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> I have both systems on my airplane. I put on Payne's simply because I lik
e cheap, simple, effective ideas (also I happen to like his wife ;-) ). I
re-enforced the bottom of my oil tank after it cracked, sometime after I in
stalled Bill Blackwell's system. Except for the crack, the system has worked
flawlessly for over 1700 hours. I STILL pull my prop though before start.
BTW at the foundation, on the B-24 I fly, we pull the props through on the
PW 1830s before the first start of the day. The 1830s and the 1820s on the
B-17 have never had a lock in the 13 years I've been flying them. We fly t
hem each day, and pull them though each day. The ramp under the 1830s are d
ry however under the B-17, the R1820 leaves its calling card. (I'm little s
urprised the EPA isn't chasseing our ass around)
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
> In a message dated 8/16/2013 6:17:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cpayne@jo
imail.com writes:
>
> Walt,
>
> Do not believe there is a solution to "prevent" hydro lock, only various t
echniques to mitigate. My "window" fits the M-14P Series II engines and allo
ws the operator to position the prop with all of the lower cylinder pistons n
ear BDC by putting #1 at TDC. It helps but does not fix the issue.
>
> Pilots must still follow POH procedures and always pull through. I also us
e the helicopter oil tank shut off with a 1/4" plate welded on the bottom of
the tank to prevent cracking. While some folks are sensitive to the sight o
f blood; I get weak in the knees and tremble at the sight of oil on the hang
er floor:)
>
> Craig ies ay - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contrib
ution Web Site p;
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Team-Up Program |
Andrew,
Despite Pappy teasing me as a "traitor" at Oshkosh for flying a T-6 now,
it should be pointed out that Walt also no longer owns a Nanchang and
flew a T-6 for years. ;)
This is awesome. I would be happy to help, and also act as a liaison
for the NATA group to see if we can't get some support from them.
Cheers,
Bdog
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
direct cell (801) 899-5313
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
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On Aug 14, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Andrew Lourake
<Andrew.Lourake@veteransairlift.org> wrote:
> Pappy,
>
> Thank you so much for the support and glowing review. If you will
indulge me I'd like to add a few items:
>
> 1. As you stated, Veterans Airlift Command does have some corporate
support for our combat wounded transportation, but the majority of the
support and missions flown are from aviators like yourself who own their
airplanes. The support of the general aviation community has been and
continues to be remarkable. And even though there are many many single
engine aircraft in then volunteer network with shorter legs, many of the
missions are split by two of the same type. So it's not just corporate
America that is helping out, it's great folks like you all in general
aviation.
>
> 2. As you stated, you can find the Team-Up program through the
veteransairlift.org website by clicking on the "Team-Up" button near the
bottom, or go directly to our webpage at www.vacteamup.org.
>
> Thanks again for helping me to get the word out, our returning troops
really need our support, and you all are just the people to do it up
right!
>
> Andrew Lourake, Lt Col, USAF (Ret)
> Program Director
> TEAM-UP
> Veterans Airlift Command
> vacteamup.org
> 301-752-4389
> <unknown.jpg>
>
> On Aug 14, 2013, at 9:23 AM, <cjpilot710@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Troops
>>
>> I know this is off subject for the list, but I believe it's a
worthwhile endeavor as the aviation fanatics we are. At Oshkosh this
year, my good buddy Walt Fricke, approached the warbird community and
RPA about helping him with a new project that is part of the VAC
organization he started. The VAC (Veterans Airlift Command) organizes
companies with executive aircraft to give free transportation to wounded
veterans who must travel back and forth to re-habilitation centers
because of combat injuries. It has been a real success. This new
program, called the =93Team-Up Program=94, is being run by a real
standup guy, Andrew Lourake, who is the Air Force's first amputee
command pilot. His story in the journey back to the left-hand seat is
epic in itself. Walt and Andrew, truly deserve our support.
>>
>> The new project is a sort of mentor program for returning vets. To
put it simply, you might call it "give a vet an airplane ride." You
sign up at their website, and when a veteran signs up in your area with
them, they put you two in contact. The rest is up to you. You in
essence sign a thank you note with an airplane ride. Most likely you'll
make a new friend, who deserves a new friend. You even might turn
someone on to a new way of life. If you are an older vet than you know
how important it can be to meet someone who =91has been there and done
that=92.
>>
>> Here's the contact website. www.veteransairlift.org
>> or
>> Andrew Lourake
>> Team-Up Program Director
>> Andrew.Lourake@veteransairlift.org
>>
>> Wouldn't it be cool if your local formation buddies, on one fine day,
had all your GIBs would be getting a =91thank you=92 note?
>>
>> Jim =93Pappy=94 Goolsby
>
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| Subject: | Re: Team-Up Program |
I,m in................ BJ Kennamore
In a message dated 8/16/2013 11:06:09 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
jefflinebaugh@gmail.com writes:
I'm in! There is absolutely nothing more satisfying than getting to meet
our combat veterans and recognizing them for their service. To be able to
mentor and establish friendships as they assimilate back into "civilian"
life is a just and noble cause!
Jeff Linebaugh
_jefflinebaugh@gmail.com_ (mailto:jefflinebaugh@gmail.com)
On Aug 14, 2013, at 10:22 AM, Andrew Lourake wrote:
Pappy,
Thank you so much for the support and glowing review. If you will indulge
me I'd like to add a few items:
1. As you stated, Veterans Airlift Command does have some corporate
support for our combat wounded transportation, but the majority of the sup
port
and missions flown are from aviators like yourself who own their airplanes
.
The support of the general aviation community has been and continues to be
remarkable. And even though there are many many single engine aircraft in
then volunteer network with shorter legs, many of the missions are split
by two of the same type. So it's not just corporate America that is helpi
ng
out, it's great folks like you all in general aviation.
2. As you stated, you can find the Team-Up program through the
_veteransairlift.org_ (http://veteransairlift.org/) website by clicking o
n the
"Team-Up" button near the bottom, or go directly to our webpage at
_www.vacteamup.org_ (http://www.vacteamup.org/) .
Thanks again for helping me to get the word out, our returning troops
really need our support, and you all are just the people to do it up right
!
Andrew Lourake, Lt Col, USAF (Ret)
Program Director
TEAM-UP
Veterans Airlift Command
_vacteamup.org_ (http://vacteamup.org/)
301-752-4389
<unknown.jpg>
On Aug 14, 2013, at 9:23 AM, <_cjpilot710@aol.com_
(mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com) >
wrote:
Troops
I know this is off subject for the list, but I believe it's a worthwhile
endeavor as the aviation fanatics we are. At Oshkosh this year, my good
buddy Walt Fricke, approached the warbird community and RPA about helping
him
with a new project that is part of the VAC organization he started. The
VAC (Veterans Airlift Command) organizes companies with executive aircraft
to give free transportation to wounded veterans who must travel back and
forth to re-habilitation centers because of combat injuries. It has been
a
real success. This new program, called the =9CTeam-Up Program
=9D, is being run
by a real standup guy, Andrew Lourake, who is the Air Force's first ampute
e
command pilot. His story in the journey back to the left-hand seat is
epic in itself. Walt and Andrew, truly deserve our support.
The new project is a sort of mentor program for returning vets. To put
it simply, you might call it "give a vet an airplane ride." You sign up a
t
their website, and when a veteran signs up in your area with them, they pu
t
you two in contact. The rest is up to you. You in essence sign a thank
you note with an airplane ride. Most likely you'll make a new friend, who
deserves a new friend. You even might turn someone on to a new way of
life. If you are an older vet than you know how important it can be to me
et
someone who =98has been there and done that=99.
Here's the contact website. _www.veteransairlift.org_
(http://www.veteransairlift.org/)
or
Andrew Lourake
Team-Up Program Director
_Andrew.Lourake@veteransairlift.org_
(mailto:Andrew.Lourake@veteransairlift.org)
Wouldn't it be cool if your local formation buddies, on one fine day, had
all your GIBs would be getting a =98thank you=99 note?
Jim =9CPappy=9D Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: Team-Up Program |
Hi Barry;
Thanks but not quite right! Been restoring, maintaining and flying
both CJ=92s & Harvard=92s (since 1994 for the CJ and 1977 for the
Harvard). Brought 4 CJ=92s from China, kept one for me. Sold my
Harvard in 2006 after 28+ great years. Finally restored my own CJ but
still get a chance fly a Harvard on occasion.
From: Barry Hancock
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 8:39 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Team-Up Program
Andrew,
Despite Pappy teasing me as a "traitor" at Oshkosh for flying a T-6 now,
it should be pointed out that Walt also no longer owns a Nanchang and
flew a T-6 for years. ;)
This is awesome. I would be happy to help, and also act as a liaison
for the NATA group to see if we can't get some support from them.
Cheers,
Bdog
Barry Hancock
Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
direct cell (801) 899-5313
www.worldwidewarbirds.com
"Making your aviation dreams a reality"
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On Aug 14, 2013, at 9:22 AM, Andrew Lourake
<Andrew.Lourake@veteransairlift.org> wrote:
Pappy,
Thank you so much for the support and glowing review. If you will
indulge me I'd like to add a few items:
1. As you stated, Veterans Airlift Command does have some corporate
support for our combat wounded transportation, but the majority of the
support and missions flown are from aviators like yourself who own their
airplanes. The support of the general aviation community has been and
continues to be remarkable. And even though there are many many single
engine aircraft in then volunteer network with shorter legs, many of the
missions are split by two of the same type. So it's not just corporate
America that is helping out, it's great folks like you all in general
aviation.
2. As you stated, you can find the Team-Up program through the
veteransairlift.org website by clicking on the "Team-Up" button near the
bottom, or go directly to our webpage at www.vacteamup.org.
Thanks again for helping me to get the word out, our returning troops
really need our support, and you all are just the people to do it up
right!
Andrew Lourake, Lt Col, USAF (Ret)
Program Director
TEAM-UP
Veterans Airlift Command
vacteamup.org
301-752-4389
<unknown.jpg>
On Aug 14, 2013, at 9:23 AM, <cjpilot710@aol.com>
wrote:
Troops
I know this is off subject for the list, but I believe it's a
worthwhile endeavor as the aviation fanatics we are. At Oshkosh this
year, my good buddy Walt Fricke, approached the warbird community and
RPA about helping him with a new project that is part of the VAC
organization he started. The VAC (Veterans Airlift Command) organizes
companies with executive aircraft to give free transportation to wounded
veterans who must travel back and forth to re-habilitation centers
because of combat injuries. It has been a real success. This new
program, called the =93Team-Up Program=94, is being run by a real
standup guy, Andrew Lourake, who is the Air Force's first amputee
command pilot. His story in the journey back to the left-hand seat is
epic in itself. Walt and Andrew, truly deserve our support.
The new project is a sort of mentor program for returning vets. To
put it simply, you might call it "give a vet an airplane ride." You
sign up at their website, and when a veteran signs up in your area with
them, they put you two in contact. The rest is up to you. You in
essence sign a thank you note with an airplane ride. Most likely you'll
make a new friend, who deserves a new friend. You even might turn
someone on to a new way of life. If you are an older vet than you know
how important it can be to meet someone who =91has been there and done
that=92.
Here's the contact website. www.veteransairlift.org
or
Andrew Lourake
Team-Up Program Director
Andrew.Lourake@veteransairlift.org
Wouldn't it be cool if your local formation buddies, on one fine
day, had all your GIBs would be getting a =91thank you=92 note?
Jim =93Pappy=94 Goolsby
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| Subject: | Re: Hydraulic Lock Prevention |
Many thanks to all for the response to my questions on this subject.
You provided a wealth of very good information that will help guide my
decision.
I have often considered the Russian approach to this problem with the
Pratt & Whitney method. I do not understand how the Russian method can
actually work.
This appears to be a very small, spring loaded valve inside the oil pump
drive shaft. Since it is a gear type pump I would expect oil from the
tank to find it=99s way through the pump regardless of the valve.
Pratt & Whitney use a relatively large, lightly spring loaded, poppet
style valve external to the pump on the pressure side. It is readily
removable for inspection with the oil-in screen and is very reliable.
Not to say it cannot leak at some time, and there has been hydraulic
lock damage. But it is a very rare occurrence. In more than 40 years
of maintaining and operating the R1340 (& R985) I have never seen one!
Thanks again;
Walt
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| Subject: | Re:Hydraulic Lock Prevention |
Sort of like getting a squadron sticker stuck, no?
Pappy
In a message dated 8/16/2013 1:13:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
viperdoc@mindspring.com writes:
Yep, the Air Force does get a little touchy about their ramps getting
marked by the YAKs and CJs. At the last MXF airshow I took her to one of the
ramp rats was awfully concerned about the oil Miss Mollie was dripping on the
ramp after I opened the intake drain. He really liked my quote " don't
worry, I'm just winding up the hamsters" as I pulled blades to depart
especially when she hit about blade four and puked on his clean ramp.
At the Gathering of Eagles my YAK and a B-26 were the only round motors
there. Then of course there was the P-51. Again the ramp rats were all touchy
about the oil dripping from the stacks...especially from the 26! Now that
bugger can soil a nice pretty sealed ramp over in the fuel cell area with
their light brown epoxy painted ramps. The poor airman that was watching the
those round motors puke on his ramp was quit concerned to say the least.
I just told him not to worry, " they are just marking their territory". Of
course he was looking at me like I was a fossil!
Too funny,
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 16, 2013, at 6:45 AM, _cjpilot710@aol.com_
(mailto:cjpilot710@aol.com) wrote:
I have both systems on my airplane. I put on Payne's simply because I
like cheap, simple, effective ideas (also I happen to like his wife ;-) ).
I re-enforced the bottom of my oil tank after it cracked, sometime after I
installed Bill Blackwell's system. Except for the crack, the system has
worked flawlessly for over 1700 hours. I STILL pull my prop though before
start. BTW at the foundation, on the B-24 I fly, we pull the props through
on the PW 1830s before the first start of the day. The 1830s and the 1820s
on the B-17 have never had a lock in the 13 years I've been flying them.
We fly them each day, and pull them though each day. The ramp under the
1830s are dry however under the B-17, the R1820 leaves its calling card.
(I'm little surprised the EPA isn't chasseing our ass around)
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 8/16/2013 6:17:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
_cpayne@joimail.com_ (mailto:cpayne@joimail.com) writes:
(mailto:cpayne@joimail.com) >
Walt,
Do not believe there is a solution to "prevent" hydro lock, only various
techniques to mitigate. My "window" fits the M-14P Series II engines and
allows the operator to position the prop with all of the lower cylinder
pistons near BDC by putting #1 at TDC. It helps but does not fix the issue.
Pilots must still follow POH procedures and always pull through. I also
use the helicopter oil tank shut off with a 1/4" plate welded on the bottom
of the tank to prevent cracking. While some folks are sensitive to the sight
of blood; I get weak in the knees and tremble at the sight of oil on the
hanger floor:)
Craig ies ay - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - List Contribution Web Site
p;
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Can anyone verify the thread size of the oil temp probe hole? ;)
10mm x 1.5 BAYONET work?
Thank you in advance!
~Threeper65
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| Subject: | For all you bomber types |
All you bomber types need one of these.
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arly-ready-to-fly/#utm_source=MagnetMail&utm_medium=email&utm_term=di
rktelevar.com&utm_content=ManEnews_8.9.13&utm_campaign=Best%20scale%20j
et%20ever,%2047%25%20Bristol%20Bulldog,%20Easy%20Trim%20Scheme%20%26%20more
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| Subject: | Re:Hydraulic Lock Prevention |
Yeah! ;^))
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 16, 2013, at 3:20 PM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
> Sort of like getting a squadron sticker stuck, no?
>
> Pappy
>
> In a message dated 8/16/2013 1:13:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, viperdoc
@mindspring.com writes:
> Yep, the Air Force does get a little touchy about their ramps getting mark
ed by the YAKs and CJs. At the last MXF airshow I took her to one of the ram
p rats was awfully concerned about the oil Miss Mollie was dripping on the r
amp after I opened the intake drain. He really liked my quote " don't worry,
I'm just winding up the hamsters" as I pulled blades to depart especially w
hen she hit about blade four and puked on his clean ramp.
> At the Gathering of Eagles my YAK and a B-26 were the only round motors th
ere. Then of course there was the P-51. Again the ramp rats were all touchy a
bout the oil dripping from the stacks...especially from the 26! Now that bug
ger can soil a nice pretty sealed ramp over in the fuel cell area with their
light brown epoxy painted ramps. The poor airman that was watching the thos
e round motors puke on his ramp was quit concerned to say the least.
> I just told him not to worry, " they are just marking their territory". Of
course he was looking at me like I was a fossil!
> Too funny,
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 16, 2013, at 6:45 AM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
>
>> I have both systems on my airplane. I put on Payne's simply because I li
ke cheap, simple, effective ideas (also I happen to like his wife ;-)
). I re-enforced the bottom of my oil tank after it cracked, sometime afte
r I installed Bill Blackwell's system. Except for the crack, the system has w
orked flawlessly for over 1700 hours. I STILL pull my prop though before s
tart. BTW at the foundation, on the B-24 I fly, we pull the props through o
n the PW 1830s before the first start of the day. The 1830s and the 18
20s on the B-17 have never had a lock in the 13 years I've been flying them.
We fly them each day, and pull them though each day. The ramp under the 1
830s are dry however under the B-17, the R1820 leaves its calling card. (I'
m little surprised the EPA isn't chasseing our ass around)
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>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
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>> In a message dated 8/16/2013 6:17:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cpayne@j
oimail.com writes:
>>
>> Walt,
>>
>> Do not believe there is a solution to "prevent" hydro lock, only various t
echniques to mitigate. My "window" fits the M-14P Series II engines and allo
ws the operator to position the prop with all of the lower cylinder pistons n
ear BDC by putting #1 at TDC. It helps but does not fix the issue.
>>
>> Pilots must still follow POH procedures and always pull through. I also u
se the helicopter oil tank shut off with a 1/4" plate welded on the bottom o
f the tank to prevent cracking. While some folks are sensitive to the sight o
f blood; I get weak in the knees and tremble at the sight of oil on the hang
er floor:)
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