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1. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (Roger Kemp M.D.)
2. 07:20 AM - MT Prop needed URGENT (Jill Gernetzke)
3. 07:32 AM - Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (keithmckinley)
4. 07:38 AM - Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (keithmckinley)
5. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (Walter Lannon)
6. 10:15 AM - Mag Timing Tools (keithmckinley)
7. 11:05 AM - Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (keithmckinley)
8. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
9. 11:29 AM - Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (keithmckinley)
10. 11:45 AM - Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (keithmckinley)
11. 12:09 PM - Re: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
12. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (Jan Mevis)
13. 01:39 PM - Re: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (cjpilot710@aol.com)
14. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (Walter Lannon)
15. 08:06 PM - Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (keithmckinley)
16. 08:46 PM - Re: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (Sam Sax)
17. 09:24 PM - Re: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (KingCJ6@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy |
Kieth,
Thanks. Will start that project after Labor Day. At beach (PCN) getting attitude
adjustment.
Ck 6,
Doc
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 23, 2013, at 9:16 PM, "keithmckinley" <cetopfed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I did my rear canopy a couple years ago (2 piece). It was a bit of work but I
made a simple jig to reinstall. Lots of test fitting, trimming, masking and
careful drilling. Some basics:
>
> 1.you need a belt sander set up on a table (vice) to shape and grind the canopy
to fit
> 2.I did not use sealant but a rubberized tape strip
> 3.I disassembled everything and had all parts powder coated except the actual
canopy frame which I painted. Primed first, then painted inside, installed glass
then painted outside.
> 4. no rivets, replaced all with screws
> 5. used all new 8-32 screws, the 4mm specialty nuts (if you re-use) tap out nicely.
The heads on the us 8-32 screws are not quite the same taper as the chinese
4mm but there is no issue.
> 5. buy a plexiglass drill bit and oversize the holes. Also grind a taper in them.
> 6. do not wreck your old canopy! use it for measurement for the new glass
>
> As I recall, my rear canopy took me about 40 hours without the painting.
>
> Good luck
>
> --------
> Keith McKinley
> 700HS
> X26 Sebastian, FL
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | MT Prop needed URGENT |
Looking for a set of 3 MT blades or a prop assembly. URGENTLY needed.
Please contact me offlist.
Jill
M-14P, Inc.
928-681-4400
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy |
Walt,
Thanks for that tip, I should have it made it more clear that the rivet issue or
lack there of was for the rear canopy. I have attached a sheet from LPA Aero
that has some tips. I would definitely invest in special drills for the plexiglass.
A small one to make pilot holes and the size you desire for the holes.
See attachment: canopy_installation_tips
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Keith McKinley
700HS
X26 Sebastian, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy |
I used this material as a gasket:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000MQ5U8Y/ref=asc_df_B000MQ5U8Y2604494?smid=A2VNERJJQ7ERIT&tag=nextagusmp0402681-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395105&creativeASIN=B000MQ5U8Y
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Keith McKinley
700HS
X26 Sebastian, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy |
Keith;
Thanks - After four CJ6, Two Beech 35, Two Navion , One Bell47 and other
canopy installations I will be sure to change my process so I can begin to
crack expensive (customer's) plexiglas. I too use LP Aero materials
-they are well made.
Walt
-----Original Message-----
From: keithmckinley
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:29 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy
Walt,
Thanks for that tip, I should have it made it more clear that the rivet
issue or lack there of was for the rear canopy. I have attached a sheet from
LPA Aero that has some tips. I would definitely invest in special drills for
the plexiglass. A small one to make pilot holes and the size you desire for
the holes.
See attachment: canopy_installation_tips
--------
Keith McKinley
700HS
X26 Sebastian, FL
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407498#407498
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| Subject: | Mag Timing Tools |
This is a really nice and inexpensive system for mag timing as well as adjusting/checking
flight controls. You have to specifically request a 14mm TDC tool as
it comes standard with an 18mm
http://www.ritesystem.net/
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Keith McKinley
700HS
X26 Sebastian, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy |
Walt,
I don't know what you mean by this. Is this some off handed slam?
wlannon(at)shaw.ca wrote:
> Keith;
>
> Thanks - After four CJ6, Two Beech 35, Two Navion , One Bell47 and other
> canopy installations I will be sure to change my process so I can begin to
> crack expensive (customer's) plexiglas. I too use LP Aero materials
> -they are well made.
>
> Walt
>
> --
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Keith McKinley
700HS
X26 Sebastian, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy |
The instructions you referenced Keith differ somewhat from what Walt
recommends. While there are some similarities, Walt's recommendations
are ones that I have seen from other folks who are also very experienced
in how to work with Plexiglas.
I believe that personal experience tends to trump reference articles,
and I believe that was all Walt was saying.
Just my 2 cents.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of keithmckinley
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 14:03
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy
Walt,
I don't know what you mean by this. Is this some off handed slam?
wlannon(at)shaw.ca wrote:
> Keith;
>
> Thanks - After four CJ6, Two Beech 35, Two Navion , One Bell47 and
> other canopy installations I will be sure to change my process so I
> can begin to crack expensive (customer's) plexiglas. I too use LP
> Aero materials -they are well made.
>
> Walt
>
> --
--------
Keith McKinley
700HS
X26 Sebastian, FL
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407517#407517
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy |
Walt,
I addressed a post to you and was thanking you for your tips. I did not mean to
tell you to invest in a different drilling process. Instead that comment about
drill bits was intended for the general audience. I should have made that clear.
A guy that hasn't done a million canopies may want to use the method LP
Aero suggest. I did and had excellent results. I have no doubt your method meets
or exceeds that standard. It's no wonder nobody dares post on this site.
Sorry if I hurt your feelings.
Keith
wlannon(at)shaw.ca wrote:
> Keith;
>
> Thanks - After four CJ6, Two Beech 35, Two Navion , One Bell47 and other
> canopy installations I will be sure to change my process so I can begin to
> crack expensive (customer's) plexiglas. I too use LP Aero materials
> -they are well made.
>
> Walt
>
> --
--------
Keith McKinley
700HS
X26 Sebastian, FL
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407523#407523
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy |
Mark,
I have no problem with that, non at all. God knows I'm no expert. I just know what
worked for me. What I don't appreciate is a condescending cheap shot from
behind a keyboard.
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Keith McKinley
700HS
X26 Sebastian, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy |
I don't have a dog in this fight. In fact, I don't even own a dog.
Mark
p.s. I will never drill a windscreen or canopy as I am simply terrible
with that kind of stuff. A case of knowing one's own limitations.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of keithmckinley
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 14:43
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy
Mark,
I have no problem with that, non at all. God knows I'm no expert. I just
know what worked for me. What I don't appreciate is a condescending
cheap shot from behind a keyboard.
--------
Keith McKinley
700HS
X26 Sebastian, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy |
That's one remark that is right on spot: "no wonder nobody dares post on
this site".
And I can assure you that people whose native language happens to be
something else than English hesitate even more.
Jan
On 26/08/13 20:26, "keithmckinley" <cetopfed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Walt,
>
>I addressed a post to you and was thanking you for your tips. I did not
>mean to tell you to invest in a different drilling process. Instead that
>comment about drill bits was intended for the general audience. I should
>have made that clear. A guy that hasn't done a million canopies may want
>to use the method LP Aero suggest. I did and had excellent results. I
>have no doubt your method meets or exceeds that standard. It's no wonder
>nobody dares post on this site.
>
>Sorry if I hurt your feelings.
>
>Keith
>
>
>wlannon(at)shaw.ca wrote:
>> Keith;
>>
>> Thanks - After four CJ6, Two Beech 35, Two Navion , One Bell47 and
>>other
>> canopy installations I will be sure to change my process so I can begin
>>to
>> crack expensive (customer's) plexiglas. I too use LP Aero materials
>> -they are well made.
>>
>> Walt
>>
>> --
>
>
>--------
>Keith McKinley
>700HS
>X26 Sebastian, FL
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407523#407523
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy |
That is the trouble with e-mail. In human communication 50% (by actual
research) is visual body language. One can't see when someone has their
tongue in their cheek. ;-}
Pappy
In a message dated 8/26/2013 3:18:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
jan.mevis@informavia.be writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
That's one remark that is right on spot: "no wonder nobody dares post on
this site".
And I can assure you that people whose native language happens to be
something else than English hesitate even more.
Jan
On 26/08/13 20:26, "keithmckinley" <cetopfed@gmail.com> wrote:
>--> Yak-List message posted by: "keithmckinley" <cetopfed@gmail.com>
>
>Walt,
>
>I addressed a post to you and was thanking you for your tips. I did not
>mean to tell you to invest in a different drilling process. Instead that
>comment about drill bits was intended for the general audience. I should
>have made that clear. A guy that hasn't done a million canopies may want
>to use the method LP Aero suggest. I did and had excellent results. I
>have no doubt your method meets or exceeds that standard. It's no wonder
>nobody dares post on this site.
>
>Sorry if I hurt your feelings.
>
>Keith
>
>
>wlannon(at)shaw.ca wrote:
>> Keith;
>>
>> Thanks - After four CJ6, Two Beech 35, Two Navion , One Bell47 and
>>other
>> canopy installations I will be sure to change my process so I can begin
>>to
>> crack expensive (customer's) plexiglas. I too use LP Aero materials
>> -they are well made.
>>
>> Walt
>>
>> --
>
>
>--------
>Keith McKinley
>700HS
>X26 Sebastian, FL
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407523#407523
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy |
Keith;
Just saw all the reaction to my post. I only see email in the AM and after
work - no I phone or anything like that.
I took your comments to mean you were in fact telling me to use another
process. If that was not the case then you have my apology.
You are right - no one dares post here and I usually refrain from posting
professional advice precisely because of that reaction.
I will not be offering any in future.
Walt
-----Original Message-----
From: keithmckinley
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:26 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy
Walt,
I addressed a post to you and was thanking you for your tips. I did not mean
to tell you to invest in a different drilling process. Instead that comment
about drill bits was intended for the general audience. I should have made
that clear. A guy that hasn't done a million canopies may want to use the
method LP Aero suggest. I did and had excellent results. I have no doubt
your method meets or exceeds that standard. It's no wonder nobody dares post
on this site.
Sorry if I hurt your feelings.
Keith
wlannon(at)shaw.ca wrote:
> Keith;
>
> Thanks - After four CJ6, Two Beech 35, Two Navion , One Bell47 and other
> canopy installations I will be sure to change my process so I can begin to
> crack expensive (customer's) plexiglas. I too use LP Aero materials
> -they are well made.
>
> Walt
>
> --
--------
Keith McKinley
700HS
X26 Sebastian, FL
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407523#407523
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy |
I wouldn't TELL anyone to do anything on this forum, especially someone I have
asked for help from in the past.
No worries.
--------
Keith McKinley
700HS
X26 Sebastian, FL
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy |
Now, wait a minute Walt...
You and a few others are very knowledgeable and bring serious value to this
List - I appeal to you to reconsider refraining from further contributing to
this List.
I believe Pappy's comments regarding the limitation of E-mails in conveying
the true spirit and intention of the text is very true. The lack of voice
tone and eye contact is one of the major shortcomings of the E-mail concept
making it very easy to miss the intention (tonality, if you will) of the
written text.
This has happened to me too, several times, both in sending a message that
was misunderstood and misunderstanding a message sent to me...
In reading this evening's latest posts, it is obvious to me at least, that
there was no ill intent with neither one of you - let's agree to continue to
operate within the limitation of the e-mail system and continue to
contribute - we need you and others like you to stay and help the rest of
us, especially newbies who both you and I once were...
I hope you will consider the above,
Sam Sax
Miami, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Lannon
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy
Keith;
Just saw all the reaction to my post. I only see email in the AM and after
work - no I phone or anything like that.
I took your comments to mean you were in fact telling me to use another
process. If that was not the case then you have my apology.
You are right - no one dares post here and I usually refrain from posting
professional advice precisely because of that reaction.
I will not be offering any in future.
Walt
-----Original Message-----
From: keithmckinley
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:26 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy
Walt,
I addressed a post to you and was thanking you for your tips. I did not mean
to tell you to invest in a different drilling process. Instead that comment
about drill bits was intended for the general audience. I should have made
that clear. A guy that hasn't done a million canopies may want to use the
method LP Aero suggest. I did and had excellent results. I have no doubt
your method meets or exceeds that standard. It's no wonder nobody dares post
on this site.
Sorry if I hurt your feelings.
Keith
wlannon(at)shaw.ca wrote:
> Keith;
>
> Thanks - After four CJ6, Two Beech 35, Two Navion , One Bell47 and
> other canopy installations I will be sure to change my process so I
> can begin to crack expensive (customer's) plexiglas. I too use LP
> Aero materials -they are well made.
>
> Walt
>
> --
--------
Keith McKinley
700HS
X26 Sebastian, FL
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407523#407523
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| Subject: | Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy |
I second Sam=99s post completely! As an 18+ year CJ owner, I and cou
ntless
others have benefited greatly from knowledgeable posts by Walt and many
others on the list. I expect many of us would have been grounded, or spe
nt
inordinate time/money for indeterminate periods without their shared,
valuable experience.
Dave
In a message dated 8/26/2013 8:47:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
cd001633@mindspring.com writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "Sam Sax" <cd001633@mindspring.com>
Now, wait a minute Walt...
You and a few others are very knowledgeable and bring serious value to
this
List - I appeal to you to reconsider refraining from further contributing
to
this List.
I believe Pappy's comments regarding the limitation of E-mails in conveyin
g
the true spirit and intention of the text is very true. The lack of voice
tone and eye contact is one of the major shortcomings of the E-mail concep
t
making it very easy to miss the intention (tonality, if you will) of the
written text.
This has happened to me too, several times, both in sending a message that
was misunderstood and misunderstanding a message sent to me...
In reading this evening's latest posts, it is obvious to me at least, that
there was no ill intent with neither one of you - let's agree to continue
to
operate within the limitation of the e-mail system and continue to
contribute - we need you and others like you to stay and help the rest of
us, especially newbies who both you and I once were...
I hope you will consider the above,
Sam Sax
Miami, FL
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Lannon
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy
Keith;
Just saw all the reaction to my post. I only see email in the AM and
after
work - no I phone or anything like that.
I took your comments to mean you were in fact telling me to use another
process. If that was not the case then you have my apology.
You are right - no one dares post here and I usually refrain from posting
professional advice precisely because of that reaction.
I will not be offering any in future.
Walt
-----Original Message-----
From: keithmckinley
Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:26 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy
Walt,
I addressed a post to you and was thanking you for your tips. I did not
mean
to tell you to invest in a different drilling process. Instead that commen
t
about drill bits was intended for the general audience. I should have made
that clear. A guy that hasn't done a million canopies may want to use the
method LP Aero suggest. I did and had excellent results. I have no doubt
your method meets or exceeds that standard. It's no wonder nobody dares
post
on this site.
Sorry if I hurt your feelings.
Keith
wlannon(at)shaw.ca wrote:
> Keith;
>
> Thanks - After four CJ6, Two Beech 35, Two Navion , One Bell47 and
> other canopy installations I will be sure to change my process so I
> can begin to crack expensive (customer's) plexiglas. I too use LP
> Aero materials -they are well made.
>
> Walt
>
> --
--------
Keith McKinley
700HS
X26 Sebastian, FL
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407523#407523
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