---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/26/13: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:58 AM - Re: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (Roger Kemp M.D.) 2. 07:20 AM - MT Prop needed URGENT (Jill Gernetzke) 3. 07:32 AM - Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (keithmckinley) 4. 07:38 AM - Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (keithmckinley) 5. 09:37 AM - Re: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (Walter Lannon) 6. 10:15 AM - Mag Timing Tools (keithmckinley) 7. 11:05 AM - Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (keithmckinley) 8. 11:17 AM - Re: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD) 9. 11:29 AM - Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (keithmckinley) 10. 11:45 AM - Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (keithmckinley) 11. 12:09 PM - Re: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD) 12. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (Jan Mevis) 13. 01:39 PM - Re: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (cjpilot710@aol.com) 14. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (Walter Lannon) 15. 08:06 PM - Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (keithmckinley) 16. 08:46 PM - Re: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (Sam Sax) 17. 09:24 PM - Re: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy (KingCJ6@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:58:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Kieth, Thanks. Will start that project after Labor Day. At beach (PCN) getting attitude adjustment. Ck 6, Doc Sent from my iPad On Aug 23, 2013, at 9:16 PM, "keithmckinley" wrote: > > I did my rear canopy a couple years ago (2 piece). It was a bit of work but I made a simple jig to reinstall. Lots of test fitting, trimming, masking and careful drilling. Some basics: > > 1.you need a belt sander set up on a table (vice) to shape and grind the canopy to fit > 2.I did not use sealant but a rubberized tape strip > 3.I disassembled everything and had all parts powder coated except the actual canopy frame which I painted. Primed first, then painted inside, installed glass then painted outside. > 4. no rivets, replaced all with screws > 5. used all new 8-32 screws, the 4mm specialty nuts (if you re-use) tap out nicely. The heads on the us 8-32 screws are not quite the same taper as the chinese 4mm but there is no issue. > 5. buy a plexiglass drill bit and oversize the holes. Also grind a taper in them. > 6. do not wreck your old canopy! use it for measurement for the new glass > > As I recall, my rear canopy took me about 40 hours without the painting. > > Good luck > > -------- > Keith McKinley > 700HS > X26 Sebastian, FL > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407397#407397 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:44 AM PST US From: "Jill Gernetzke" Subject: Yak-List: MT Prop needed URGENT Looking for a set of 3 MT blades or a prop assembly. URGENTLY needed. Please contact me offlist. Jill M-14P, Inc. 928-681-4400 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:32:45 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy From: "keithmckinley" Walt, Thanks for that tip, I should have it made it more clear that the rivet issue or lack there of was for the rear canopy. I have attached a sheet from LPA Aero that has some tips. I would definitely invest in special drills for the plexiglass. A small one to make pilot holes and the size you desire for the holes. See attachment: canopy_installation_tips -------- Keith McKinley 700HS X26 Sebastian, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407498#407498 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/canopy_installation_tips_462.pdf ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:51 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy From: "keithmckinley" I used this material as a gasket: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000MQ5U8Y/ref=asc_df_B000MQ5U8Y2604494?smid=A2VNERJJQ7ERIT&tag=nextagusmp0402681-20&linkCode=asn&creative=395105&creativeASIN=B000MQ5U8Y -------- Keith McKinley 700HS X26 Sebastian, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407499#407499 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:32 AM PST US From: "Walter Lannon" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy Keith; Thanks - After four CJ6, Two Beech 35, Two Navion , One Bell47 and other canopy installations I will be sure to change my process so I can begin to crack expensive (customer's) plexiglas. I too use LP Aero materials -they are well made. Walt -----Original Message----- From: keithmckinley Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 7:29 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy Walt, Thanks for that tip, I should have it made it more clear that the rivet issue or lack there of was for the rear canopy. I have attached a sheet from LPA Aero that has some tips. I would definitely invest in special drills for the plexiglass. A small one to make pilot holes and the size you desire for the holes. See attachment: canopy_installation_tips -------- Keith McKinley 700HS X26 Sebastian, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407498#407498 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/canopy_installation_tips_462.pdf ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:20 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Mag Timing Tools From: "keithmckinley" This is a really nice and inexpensive system for mag timing as well as adjusting/checking flight controls. You have to specifically request a 14mm TDC tool as it comes standard with an 18mm http://www.ritesystem.net/ -------- Keith McKinley 700HS X26 Sebastian, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407513#407513 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:34 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy From: "keithmckinley" Walt, I don't know what you mean by this. Is this some off handed slam? wlannon(at)shaw.ca wrote: > Keith; > > Thanks - After four CJ6, Two Beech 35, Two Navion , One Bell47 and other > canopy installations I will be sure to change my process so I can begin to > crack expensive (customer's) plexiglas. I too use LP Aero materials > -they are well made. > > Walt > > -- -------- Keith McKinley 700HS X26 Sebastian, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407517#407517 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:19 AM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" The instructions you referenced Keith differ somewhat from what Walt recommends. While there are some similarities, Walt's recommendations are ones that I have seen from other folks who are also very experienced in how to work with Plexiglas. I believe that personal experience tends to trump reference articles, and I believe that was all Walt was saying. Just my 2 cents. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of keithmckinley Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 14:03 Subject: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy Walt, I don't know what you mean by this. Is this some off handed slam? wlannon(at)shaw.ca wrote: > Keith; > > Thanks - After four CJ6, Two Beech 35, Two Navion , One Bell47 and > other canopy installations I will be sure to change my process so I > can begin to crack expensive (customer's) plexiglas. I too use LP > Aero materials -they are well made. > > Walt > > -- -------- Keith McKinley 700HS X26 Sebastian, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407517#407517 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:29:27 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy From: "keithmckinley" Walt, I addressed a post to you and was thanking you for your tips. I did not mean to tell you to invest in a different drilling process. Instead that comment about drill bits was intended for the general audience. I should have made that clear. A guy that hasn't done a million canopies may want to use the method LP Aero suggest. I did and had excellent results. I have no doubt your method meets or exceeds that standard. It's no wonder nobody dares post on this site. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. Keith wlannon(at)shaw.ca wrote: > Keith; > > Thanks - After four CJ6, Two Beech 35, Two Navion , One Bell47 and other > canopy installations I will be sure to change my process so I can begin to > crack expensive (customer's) plexiglas. I too use LP Aero materials > -they are well made. > > Walt > > -- -------- Keith McKinley 700HS X26 Sebastian, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407523#407523 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:23 AM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy From: "keithmckinley" Mark, I have no problem with that, non at all. God knows I'm no expert. I just know what worked for me. What I don't appreciate is a condescending cheap shot from behind a keyboard. -------- Keith McKinley 700HS X26 Sebastian, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407525#407525 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:30 PM PST US Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" I don't have a dog in this fight. In fact, I don't even own a dog. Mark p.s. I will never drill a windscreen or canopy as I am simply terrible with that kind of stuff. A case of knowing one's own limitations. -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of keithmckinley Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 14:43 Subject: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy Mark, I have no problem with that, non at all. God knows I'm no expert. I just know what worked for me. What I don't appreciate is a condescending cheap shot from behind a keyboard. -------- Keith McKinley 700HS X26 Sebastian, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407525#407525 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy From: Jan Mevis That's one remark that is right on spot: "no wonder nobody dares post on this site". And I can assure you that people whose native language happens to be something else than English hesitate even more. Jan On 26/08/13 20:26, "keithmckinley" wrote: > >Walt, > >I addressed a post to you and was thanking you for your tips. I did not >mean to tell you to invest in a different drilling process. Instead that >comment about drill bits was intended for the general audience. I should >have made that clear. A guy that hasn't done a million canopies may want >to use the method LP Aero suggest. I did and had excellent results. I >have no doubt your method meets or exceeds that standard. It's no wonder >nobody dares post on this site. > >Sorry if I hurt your feelings. > >Keith > > >wlannon(at)shaw.ca wrote: >> Keith; >> >> Thanks - After four CJ6, Two Beech 35, Two Navion , One Bell47 and >>other >> canopy installations I will be sure to change my process so I can begin >>to >> crack expensive (customer's) plexiglas. I too use LP Aero materials >> -they are well made. >> >> Walt >> >> -- > > >-------- >Keith McKinley >700HS >X26 Sebastian, FL > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407523#407523 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:30 PM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy That is the trouble with e-mail. In human communication 50% (by actual research) is visual body language. One can't see when someone has their tongue in their cheek. ;-} Pappy In a message dated 8/26/2013 3:18:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jan.mevis@informavia.be writes: --> Yak-List message posted by: Jan Mevis That's one remark that is right on spot: "no wonder nobody dares post on this site". And I can assure you that people whose native language happens to be something else than English hesitate even more. Jan On 26/08/13 20:26, "keithmckinley" wrote: >--> Yak-List message posted by: "keithmckinley" > >Walt, > >I addressed a post to you and was thanking you for your tips. I did not >mean to tell you to invest in a different drilling process. Instead that >comment about drill bits was intended for the general audience. I should >have made that clear. A guy that hasn't done a million canopies may want >to use the method LP Aero suggest. I did and had excellent results. I >have no doubt your method meets or exceeds that standard. It's no wonder >nobody dares post on this site. > >Sorry if I hurt your feelings. > >Keith > > >wlannon(at)shaw.ca wrote: >> Keith; >> >> Thanks - After four CJ6, Two Beech 35, Two Navion , One Bell47 and >>other >> canopy installations I will be sure to change my process so I can begin >>to >> crack expensive (customer's) plexiglas. I too use LP Aero materials >> -they are well made. >> >> Walt >> >> -- > > >-------- >Keith McKinley >700HS >X26 Sebastian, FL > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407523#407523 > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:33 PM PST US From: "Walter Lannon" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy Keith; Just saw all the reaction to my post. I only see email in the AM and after work - no I phone or anything like that. I took your comments to mean you were in fact telling me to use another process. If that was not the case then you have my apology. You are right - no one dares post here and I usually refrain from posting professional advice precisely because of that reaction. I will not be offering any in future. Walt -----Original Message----- From: keithmckinley Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:26 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy Walt, I addressed a post to you and was thanking you for your tips. I did not mean to tell you to invest in a different drilling process. Instead that comment about drill bits was intended for the general audience. I should have made that clear. A guy that hasn't done a million canopies may want to use the method LP Aero suggest. I did and had excellent results. I have no doubt your method meets or exceeds that standard. It's no wonder nobody dares post on this site. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. Keith wlannon(at)shaw.ca wrote: > Keith; > > Thanks - After four CJ6, Two Beech 35, Two Navion , One Bell47 and other > canopy installations I will be sure to change my process so I can begin to > crack expensive (customer's) plexiglas. I too use LP Aero materials > -they are well made. > > Walt > > -- -------- Keith McKinley 700HS X26 Sebastian, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407523#407523 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:31 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy From: "keithmckinley" I wouldn't TELL anyone to do anything on this forum, especially someone I have asked for help from in the past. No worries. -------- Keith McKinley 700HS X26 Sebastian, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407554#407554 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:40 PM PST US From: "Sam Sax" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy Now, wait a minute Walt... You and a few others are very knowledgeable and bring serious value to this List - I appeal to you to reconsider refraining from further contributing to this List. I believe Pappy's comments regarding the limitation of E-mails in conveying the true spirit and intention of the text is very true. The lack of voice tone and eye contact is one of the major shortcomings of the E-mail concept making it very easy to miss the intention (tonality, if you will) of the written text. This has happened to me too, several times, both in sending a message that was misunderstood and misunderstanding a message sent to me... In reading this evening's latest posts, it is obvious to me at least, that there was no ill intent with neither one of you - let's agree to continue to operate within the limitation of the e-mail system and continue to contribute - we need you and others like you to stay and help the rest of us, especially newbies who both you and I once were... I hope you will consider the above, Sam Sax Miami, FL -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Lannon Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy Keith; Just saw all the reaction to my post. I only see email in the AM and after work - no I phone or anything like that. I took your comments to mean you were in fact telling me to use another process. If that was not the case then you have my apology. You are right - no one dares post here and I usually refrain from posting professional advice precisely because of that reaction. I will not be offering any in future. Walt -----Original Message----- From: keithmckinley Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:26 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy Walt, I addressed a post to you and was thanking you for your tips. I did not mean to tell you to invest in a different drilling process. Instead that comment about drill bits was intended for the general audience. I should have made that clear. A guy that hasn't done a million canopies may want to use the method LP Aero suggest. I did and had excellent results. I have no doubt your method meets or exceeds that standard. It's no wonder nobody dares post on this site. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. Keith wlannon(at)shaw.ca wrote: > Keith; > > Thanks - After four CJ6, Two Beech 35, Two Navion , One Bell47 and > other canopy installations I will be sure to change my process so I > can begin to crack expensive (customer's) plexiglas. I too use LP > Aero materials -they are well made. > > Walt > > -- -------- Keith McKinley 700HS X26 Sebastian, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407523#407523 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:24 PM PST US From: KingCJ6@aol.com Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy I second Sam=99s post completely! As an 18+ year CJ owner, I and cou ntless others have benefited greatly from knowledgeable posts by Walt and many others on the list. I expect many of us would have been grounded, or spe nt inordinate time/money for indeterminate periods without their shared, valuable experience. Dave In a message dated 8/26/2013 8:47:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cd001633@mindspring.com writes: --> Yak-List message posted by: "Sam Sax" Now, wait a minute Walt... You and a few others are very knowledgeable and bring serious value to this List - I appeal to you to reconsider refraining from further contributing to this List. I believe Pappy's comments regarding the limitation of E-mails in conveyin g the true spirit and intention of the text is very true. The lack of voice tone and eye contact is one of the major shortcomings of the E-mail concep t making it very easy to miss the intention (tonality, if you will) of the written text. This has happened to me too, several times, both in sending a message that was misunderstood and misunderstanding a message sent to me... In reading this evening's latest posts, it is obvious to me at least, that there was no ill intent with neither one of you - let's agree to continue to operate within the limitation of the e-mail system and continue to contribute - we need you and others like you to stay and help the rest of us, especially newbies who both you and I once were... I hope you will consider the above, Sam Sax Miami, FL -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Walter Lannon Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy Keith; Just saw all the reaction to my post. I only see email in the AM and after work - no I phone or anything like that. I took your comments to mean you were in fact telling me to use another process. If that was not the case then you have my apology. You are right - no one dares post here and I usually refrain from posting professional advice precisely because of that reaction. I will not be offering any in future. Walt -----Original Message----- From: keithmckinley Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 11:26 AM Subject: Yak-List: Re: Nanchang CJ 6 canopy Walt, I addressed a post to you and was thanking you for your tips. I did not mean to tell you to invest in a different drilling process. Instead that commen t about drill bits was intended for the general audience. I should have made that clear. A guy that hasn't done a million canopies may want to use the method LP Aero suggest. I did and had excellent results. I have no doubt your method meets or exceeds that standard. It's no wonder nobody dares post on this site. Sorry if I hurt your feelings. Keith wlannon(at)shaw.ca wrote: > Keith; > > Thanks - After four CJ6, Two Beech 35, Two Navion , One Bell47 and > other canopy installations I will be sure to change my process so I > can begin to crack expensive (customer's) plexiglas. I too use LP > Aero materials -they are well made. > > Walt > > -- -------- Keith McKinley 700HS X26 Sebastian, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=407523#407523 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message yak-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Yak-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/yak-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/yak-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.