---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/13/13: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: Airshow : Yak-52 Aerobatic Display. (Robin Hou) 2. 12:09 PM - Re: Airshow : Yak-52 Aerobatic Display. (Etienne Verhellen) 3. 03:25 PM - Leaky Prop (Robin Hou) 4. 03:50 PM - Re: Leaky Prop (Bill Geipel) 5. 06:13 PM - Re: Leaky Prop (Walter Lannon) 6. 06:48 PM - Re: Leaky Prop (A. Dennis Savarese) 7. 08:04 PM - Re: CJ canopy seal (keithmckinley) 8. 08:12 PM - Re: CJ canopy seal (keithmckinley) 9. 08:16 PM - looking for help with "mushy" brakes on CJ (keithmckinley) 10. 09:35 PM - Re: Leaky Prop (Roger Kemp M.D.) 11. 09:42 PM - Re: looking for help with "mushy" brakes on CJ (Roger Kemp M.D.) 12. 10:21 PM - Re: Re: CJ canopy seal (Walter Lannon) 13. 10:21 PM - Re: looking for help with "mushy" brakes on CJ (Sam Sax) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:37 AM PST US From: Robin Hou Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Airshow : Yak-52 Aerobatic Display. Great pictures! Thanks for sharing. Any video? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:01 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: Airshow : Yak-52 Aerobatic Display. From: "Etienne Verhellen" If you insist ... :D and there is nothing worth watching on TV (as it's usually the case) ... Lens Airshow in the North of France : http://youtu.be/X0xVxRt7498 http://youtu.be/bSswo8pwly0 http://www.pbase.com/fournier/image/146113478 http://www.pbase.com/fournier/image/146788728 http://forums.matronics.com/files/yak_52_lens_airshow_2012__pilote_etienne_verhellen_109.jpg http://forums.matronics.com/files/yak5227_122.jpg http://forums.matronics.com/files/yak_52_g_cbss_etienne_verhellen_781.jpg http://fanairplane.free.fr/affichage2.php?img=15646 ... Annual International Sanicole Airshow (ISA), Belgium : http://youtu.be/nEp-WMjJdvw http://youtu.be/mk8bHKoSpBo http://www.airshowactionphotography.com/san07/sanicole07_007.jpg http://www.airshowactionphotography.com/san07/sanicole07_018.jpg http://www.airshowactionphotography.com/san07/sanicole07_015.jpg ... Cerfontaine airfield (EBCF), Belgium also called Gravity Park, the friendliest Yakovlevs airfield in Europe : http://youtu.be/dBeOu-hrRYc http://youtu.be/-WQQ0g9SI_s http://youtu.be/n2e8f7_1ohQ http://www.gravitypark.be/Flyin/Flyinconfirmedaircrafts/tabid/215/Default.aspx http://www.gravitypark.be/Galerie/2008YakFlyin/tabid/224/Default.aspx http://www.gravitypark.be/Portals/0/Images/Events/Flyin%20gallery/cerfontaine005lw2%20-%20picture%20by%20Alain%20Bartier.jpg ... Various : http://youtu.be/dxfLFmXklQo http://youtu.be/0ms0PGBN55g http://www.rtbf.be/video/detail?id=1730533 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9nQRcR8y40 http://forums.matronics.com/files/yak_52_etienne_going_up__246.jpg ... It was raining today ... so no Yakovlevs flying [Rolling Eyes] -------- http://forums.matronics.com/files/corsair_oe_eas_and_yak_52_g_cbss_212.jpg http://ukga.com/content/view?contentId=29581 http://ukga.com/images/content/image29581.jpg http://www.flyredstar.org/gallery2/Yak/Etienne%20landing%20in%20YVR.jpg Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410433#410433 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/alainbartier13_157.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/_mg_3395_border_zps1b9a3359_105.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/appareil_saranne_009_142.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/appareil_saranne_013_156.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/appareil_saranne_012_138.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/airshow__yak_52_aerobatic_display__etienne_verhellen_28_105.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/airshow__yak_52_aerobatic_display__etienne_verhellen_27_135.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/airshow__yak_52_aerobatic_display__etienne_verhellen_21_117.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/airshow__yak_52_aerobatic_display__etienne_verhellen_20_112.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/airshow__yak_52_aerobatic_display__etienne_verhellen_19_306.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/airshow__yak_52_aerobatic_display__etienne_verhellen_18_115.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/airshow__yak_52_aerobatic_display__etienne_verhellen_15_499.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/airshow__yak_52_aerobatic_display__etienne_verhellen_13_387.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/airshow__yak_52_aerobatic_display__etienne_verhellen_9_863.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/airshow__yak_52_aerobatic_display__etienne_verhellen_8_113.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/airshow__yak_52_aerobatic_display__etienne_verhellen_2_148.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:25:28 PM PST US From: Robin Hou Subject: Yak-List: Leaky Prop I took my CJ for a short hop yesterday. Upon landing, the gill shutters wer e coated with oily mist. It feels heavier than my Phillips XC 25-60, but li ghter than the grease used in the prop hub. Looking through the gill shutte rs, the engine case appeared dry. I was in a hurry to get home so did not c losely exam the source of the leak. The prop was holding rpm just fine the entire flight, and responded normally when changed rpm.-=0A=0ACan anyone read the tea leaves and tell where the leak is coming from?=0A=0AThanks in advance,=0A=0ARobin Hou ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Leaky Prop From: Bill Geipel Tragic! I'll give you a hundred dollars as is where is? On Oct 13, 2013, at 17:23, Robin Hou wrote: > I took my CJ for a short hop yesterday. Upon landing, the gill shutters we re coated with oily mist. It feels heavier than my Phillips XC 25-60, but li ghter than the grease used in the prop hub. Looking through the gill shutter s, the engine case appeared dry. I was in a hurry to get home so did not clo sely exam the source of the leak. The prop was holding rpm just fine the ent ire flight, and responded normally when changed rpm. > > Can anyone read the tea leaves and tell where the leak is coming from? > > Thanks in advance, > > Robin Hou > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:12 PM PST US From: "Walter Lannon" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Leaky Prop Hi Robin; Very strange! I don=99t believe the prop is the culprit. The prop blade partially shown in the photo shows no evidence of grease (or oil) leakage. Oil leakage from the prop has to originate in the pitch change area, usually one or both of the piston/cylinder seals or from the transfer tube gasket in the crankshaft. A leaking inner seal or tube gasket will leak into the hub and out past the blade grease seals. Both of those and a leaking outer seal will also leak from the front of the hub and transfer oil to the blades. This leak is originating behind the prop. The most likely source is the crankshaft thrust bearing. Unlike horizontally opposed engines there is no seal or gasket to prevent thrust bearing lube oil from leaking out. In most radials (though I do not know for sure how the Huosai does it) there is a simple slinger ring between the inner race of the bearing and the bearing thrust nut on the crankshaft. This collects the bearing oil and =9Cslings=9D it back into the nose case. The usually reason for leakage from that location is pressure in the case due to a blocked vent. Not good at reading tea leaves so the above is just a wild assed guess (WAG). Good luck; Walt From: Robin Hou Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 3:23 PM Subject: Yak-List: Leaky Prop I took my CJ for a short hop yesterday. Upon landing, the gill shutters were coated with oily mist. It feels heavier than my Phillips XC 25-60, but lighter than the grease used in the prop hub. Looking through the gill shutters, the engine case appeared dry. I was in a hurry to get home so did not closely exam the source of the leak. The prop was holding rpm just fine the entire flight, and responded normally when changed rpm. Can anyone read the tea leaves and tell where the leak is coming from? Thanks in advance, Robin Hou ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:48:13 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Leaky Prop From: "A. Dennis Savarese" When was the last time the seals in the prop hub piston were replaced? If n ot from there, check the prop shaft seal. First guess is the hub piston inne r and outer seals. Dennis On Oct 13, 2013, at 5:23 PM, Robin Hou wrote: > I took my CJ for a short hop yesterday. Upon landing, the gill shutters we re coated with oily mist. It feels heavier than my Phillips XC 25-60, but li ghter than the grease used in the prop hub. Looking through the gill shutter s, the engine case appeared dry. I was in a hurry to get home so did not clo sely exam the source of the leak. The prop was holding rpm just fine the ent ire flight, and responded normally when changed rpm. > > Can anyone read the tea leaves and tell where the leak is coming from? > > Thanks in advance, > > Robin Hou > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:26 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ canopy seal From: "keithmckinley" Thanks Walt, It's very hard to see looking directly at the area but I do see what you mean looking at the detail in volume 1. My though is that without removing the front windscreen or center section (for the rear seal). I'd have to use a cherrymax rivet to reinstall? My seals are dried out and rock hard. Keith -------- Keith McKinley 700HS X26 Sebastian, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410467#410467 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:02 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ canopy seal From: "keithmckinley" Thanks Walt, It's very hard to see looking directly at the area but I do see what you mean looking at the detail in volume 1. My though is that without removing the front windscreen or center section (for the rear seal). I guess I'd have to use a cherrymax rivet to reinstall? My seals are dried out and rock hard. Keith -------- Keith McKinley 700HS X26 Sebastian, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410468#410468 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:21 PM PST US Subject: Yak-List: looking for help with "mushy" brakes on CJ From: "keithmckinley" My brakes started to feel progressively mushy starting about 50 hours ago. Just checked the drums and they looked fine and the pucks did not show much wear at all (pucks and drums have around 200 hours on them ). I find that I'm pulling the brake handle right up to the stick. I have some room to adjust the cable on the front stick. Is there anything else I should be looking at? Steering is normal, brake handle just doesn't seem crisp. brakes just barely hold for prop check on run-up. Keith -------- Keith McKinley 700HS X26 Sebastian, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410469#410469 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Leaky Prop From: "Roger Kemp M.D." Probably a seal in the prop. Either the oil tube seal or the seal on the rim of the piston if the CJ hub is built Ike the YAKs. Doc Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2013, at 5:23 PM, Robin Hou wrote: > I took my CJ for a short hop yesterday. Upon landing, the gill shutters we re coated with oily mist. It feels heavier than my Phillips XC 25-60, but li ghter than the grease used in the prop hub. Looking through the gill shutter s, the engine case appeared dry. I was in a hurry to get home so did not clo sely exam the source of the leak. The prop was holding rpm just fine the ent ire flight, and responded normally when changed rpm. > > Can anyone read the tea leaves and tell where the leak is coming from? > > Thanks in advance, > > Robin Hou > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:41 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: looking for help with "mushy" brakes on CJ From: "Roger Kemp M.D." When is the last time the brake differential and the proportionator been rebuilt? Doc Sent from my iPad On Oct 13, 2013, at 10:02 PM, "keithmckinley" wrote: > > My brakes started to feel progressively mushy starting about 50 hours ago. Just checked the drums and they looked fine and the pucks did not show much wear at all (pucks and drums have around 200 hours on them ). I find that I'm pulling the brake handle right up to the stick. I have some room to adjust the cable on the front stick. Is there anything else I should be looking at? Steering is normal, brake handle just doesn't seem crisp. > > brakes just barely hold for prop check on run-up. > > Keith > > -------- > Keith McKinley > 700HS > X26 Sebastian, FL > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410469#410469 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:25 PM PST US From: "Walter Lannon" Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: CJ canopy seal Hi Keith; I gave you a bit of a bum steer by referring to "tubing sections". Those are only in the sliders, not the fixed sections. But I think you found my error OK. Rather than tubing the fixed section bows are formed aluminum alloy frames riveted to the upper longerons. The part that the seal and retaining strip are riveted to is the external surround that holds the Plexiglas in place and is bolted to the frame with flush head screws. I think you will have to remove this to replace the seal. There is very little room between this and the aft face of the frame making it very difficult to drill out the existing rivets. Cherry Max rivets will likely not be an option as there is not enough space for the rivet stem. If you are able to get the old rivets out without damaging the very soft retaining strip it may be possible to use short 3/32" POP rivets. However, you can remove the surround without removing the windshield or center section glass though you would have to re-seal the glass on re-installation. Sorry for the misinformation. Walt -----Original Message----- From: keithmckinley Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:52 PM Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ canopy seal Thanks Walt, It's very hard to see looking directly at the area but I do see what you mean looking at the detail in volume 1. My though is that without removing the front windscreen or center section (for the rear seal). I guess I'd have to use a cherrymax rivet to reinstall? My seals are dried out and rock hard. Keith -------- Keith McKinley 700HS X26 Sebastian, FL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=410468#410468 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:21:25 PM PST US From: "Sam Sax" Subject: RE: Yak-List: looking for help with "mushy" brakes on CJ Keith, The braded steel cable stretches over time - this is the reason it is getting closer and closer to the stick. If not mistaken (I did it a few years ago), you can shorten the cable by adjusting the retaining nut in front side of the stick column... At some point you may want to replace with a braded stainless steel cable. Sam Sax -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of keithmckinley Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:03 PM Subject: Yak-List: looking for help with "mushy" brakes on CJ My brakes started to feel progressively mushy starting about 50 hours ago. Just checked the drums and they looked fine and the pucks did not show much wear at all (pucks and drums have around 200 hours on them ). I find that I'm pulling the brake handle right up to the stick. I have some room to adjust the cable on the front stick. Is there anything else I should be looking at? Steering is normal, brake handle just doesn't seem crisp. brakes just barely hold for prop check on run-up. 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