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1. 03:42 AM - CJ6 Primer left /Right and manual pomp (airmanv2)
2. 07:03 AM - Re: Re: Housai prop - VERY slow spin on start - help (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
3. 07:26 AM - Re: Housai prop - VERY slow spin on start - help (Dale)
4. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: Housai prop - VERY slow spin on start - help (bigdog@bentwing.com)
5. 09:38 AM - Re: CJ6 Primer left /Right and manual pomp (cjpilot710@aol.com)
6. 09:39 AM - Re: CJ6 Primer left /Right and manual pomp (Jeff D)
7. 02:46 PM - Re: CJ6 Primer left /Right and manual pomp (airmanv2)
8. 06:25 PM - Re: Housai prop - VERY slow spin on start - help (keithmckinley)
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| Subject: | CJ6 Primer left /Right and manual pomp |
Hi every Body,
I'm a (the) new french owner of a Uk reg. CJ6A based LFAO.
I have question regarding the start up procedure.
At his time I was told to pull 9 blades, prime 4 strokes, manual pomp 6 times.
Pressure in the air tank at 40 Kg, propeller turn slowly and some time i do not
succeed to start.
So I pull again 9 blades, 4 strokes an 4 manual pomp again and some time its fine
, some time not.
Some time a third try and if not start I have a to low air pressure and must refile
the air tank .
Question: is that the correct method to practice?
Question? I saw that the primer can be turn right or left but I don't now the reason
and how it must be used?
thanks for help
Bruno
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| Subject: | Re: Housai prop - VERY slow spin on start - help |
I noticed when I went to their web site yesterday that they have come out with
a new model line, and I did not take the time to study each model number.
You're looking for a 24 vdc 4 amp model (they make an 8 amp model, but personally
I would not go that route) that is made for AGM type batteries (assuming that
is what you are using).
The very best advice I can give you would be to call them up, tell them exactly
what batteries you are using, and let them make recommendations on their new
product line.
Mark
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Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 11:30 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Housai prop - VERY slow spin on start - help
Mark,
Would you mind giving a brand or model you suggest.
Thanks
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Housai prop - VERY slow spin on start - help |
two years ago I called Battery Minder and they built me a Optima 4amp AGM , 24
v Battery Minder out of a off the shelf version and relabeled it . It charges
the batteries to 13.64 volts or around there where it needs to be. The last
1.5 volts are where the battery has most of its power if not charged all the way.
Dale
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| Subject: | Re: Housai prop - VERY slow spin on start - help |
Looks like they now have a whole line of products specifically for aircraft batteries.
http://batteryminders.com/store.php?spawner=icon_home&&app=air
Regards,
Greg Young
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:26 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Housai prop - VERY slow spin on start - help
two years ago I called Battery Minder and they built me a Optima 4amp AGM , 24
v Battery Minder out of a off the shelf version and relabeled it . It charges
the batteries to 13.64 volts or around there where it needs to be. The last
1.5 volts are where the battery has most of its power if not charged all the way.
Dale
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| Subject: | Re: CJ6 Primer left /Right and manual pomp |
Bruno.
The primer is pretty simple. It does not matter which way it turns when
fully down, as long as it locks down. If you have pulled it up to prime,
when you push it down, you must turn it 90 degrees (in either direction) in
order for it to close and lock. If you do not turn it 90 degrees, the
primer will let a lot of fuel flow though, and flood #9 cylinder which at lower
power settings causes the engine to run rough. I've seen two occasions
where the valve in the bottom of the primer has screwed up, causing the engine
to run rough, thus needing to replace the primer. (Simple job)
Your starting procedure sound OK for the most part. Pulling the prop
though 9 times really is only making sure you do not have a hydraulic lock in
the bottom cylinders. Having one could (most likely WILL) cause you to bend
a connecting rod, which will lead to a engine failure. Promise.
I have over 2,000 hours with the M-14 and Hs6a engines in my log. I don't
use the procedure the Chinese call for in the book, except on a cold day.
I've found that priming 4 to 6 times, than pumping the wobble pump until I
see the fuel pressure gage rise, is enough for the HS6. On the M-14p all
I do is pull the prop though checking for a hydraulic lock, climb in the
cockpit, prime 4 times (on a cold day 6), hold the pre-oil switch until I get
oil pressure on the gage, and hit the starter button. 3 blades and she's
running.
On the HS6 engine you can turn the mags on first, before pushing the
starter button. (Not a good idea on the M-14p). Some times you will get a "kick
or two" during the start. Be prepared to pump the primer once or twice or
even three times, to try and catch it. If you do this, make sure you
close and lock the primer after the engine is running. (BTW you can run the
engine just by pumping the primer - knowing that has saved my ass.)
You can "flood" (to much fuel) these engines. If you think you have flood
one, simply during start while still pushing the start button, open the
throttle all the way. BE READY TO CLOSE IT IF THE ENGINE STARTS!! Doing
this - leans out the mixture for a start.
Some times the "buzz box" "Shower of Sparks" or 'Exciter" might be weak or
inop. This can make the engine hard to start. If you press the start
button and hear a healthy buzz up front, its mostly likely working.
Your air pressure sounds a little low but is more than enough. These
engines can be hand started easily. So I don't believe 40 atmospheres is not
your problem.
Hope this helps. Good luck.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 12/3/2013 6:43:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bruno.blanchard2@gmail.com writes:
--> Yak-List message posted by: "airmanv2" <bruno.blanchard2@gmail.com>
Hi every Body,
I'm a (the) new french owner of a Uk reg. CJ6A based LFAO.
I have question regarding the start up procedure.
At his time I was told to pull 9 blades, prime 4 strokes, manual pomp 6
times.
Pressure in the air tank at 40 Kg, propeller turn slowly and some time i
do not succeed to start.
So I pull again 9 blades, 4 strokes an 4 manual pomp again and some time
its fine , some time not.
Some time a third try and if not start I have a to low air pressure and
must refile the air tank .
Question: is that the correct method to practice?
Question? I saw that the primer can be turn right or left but I don't now
the reason and how it must be used?
thanks for help
Bruno
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Fly safe
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| Subject: | Re: CJ6 Primer left /Right and manual pomp |
Hi Bruno,
I use (when cold):
Pull through 9 blades. This way I know if I have an issue before introducing
fuel.
Prime 6 shots
Pull through 6 blades
Prime 2 - 4 shots, leaving the primer up
Pump until fuel pressure shows good with throttle closed.
Throttle cracked
Start - if it hasn't run for a long time, it will take me twice with the
above, also prime while starting, or pumping the throttle (accelerator pump)
works same.
As far as primer open left or right, it doesn't matter, it is just to get it
unlocked.
Jeff
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From: airmanv2
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 4:42 AM
Subject: Yak-List: CJ6 Primer left /Right and manual pomp
Hi every Body,
I'm a (the) new french owner of a Uk reg. CJ6A based LFAO.
I have question regarding the start up procedure.
At his time I was told to pull 9 blades, prime 4 strokes, manual pomp 6
times.
Pressure in the air tank at 40 Kg, propeller turn slowly and some time i do
not succeed to start.
So I pull again 9 blades, 4 strokes an 4 manual pomp again and some time its
fine , some time not.
Some time a third try and if not start I have a to low air pressure and
must refile the air tank .
Question: is that the correct method to practice?
Question? I saw that the primer can be turn right or left but I don't now
the reason and how it must be used?
thanks for help
Bruno
--------
Fly safe
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=414766#414766
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| Subject: | Re: CJ6 Primer left /Right and manual pomp |
Hello Jim and Jeff, Thank you for help,
I think i will try this WE, I ll keep you advice.
Best,
Bruno
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| Subject: | Re: Housai prop - VERY slow spin on start - help |
For those following the original post....Batteries shot.
Keith
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Keith McKinley
700HS
X26 Sebastian, FL
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