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1. 10:40 AM - Re: Re: Housai prop - VERY slow spin on start - help (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
2. 10:48 AM - Facts surrounding the personal attack (Jill Gernetzke)
3. 12:03 PM - Re: Housai prop - VERY slow spin on start - help (keithmckinley)
4. 02:47 PM - Re: CJ Questions (PS)
5. 03:17 PM - Re: Re: Housai prop - VERY slow spin on start - help (Mark Davis)
6. 03:36 PM - Re: Re: CJ Questions (Robin Hou)
7. 04:30 PM - Todd McCutchan Yak 50 parts (bill wade)
8. 06:56 PM - Re: Todd McCutchan Yak 50 parts (Todd McCutchan)
9. 07:07 PM - Re: Re: CJ Questions (Walter Lannon)
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| Subject: | Re: Housai prop - VERY slow spin on start - help |
Don't feel like the Lone Ranger Keith... it's happened to a lot of folks. Thanks
for letting us (me) know.
Mark
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Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 9:24 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Housai prop - VERY slow spin on start - help
For those following the original post....Batteries shot.
Keith
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Keith McKinley
700HS
X26 Sebastian, FL
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| Subject: | Facts surrounding the personal attack |
Group,
I will respond to Roger Kemp's personal attack on me with the facts. I
leave it up to you to form your own opinion.
Roger purchased a set of freshly overhauled actuators from me and was
charged a $2,400 core charge for 2 main and 1 nose landing gear actuator for
a Yak 52. (That is an $800 core charge on each actuator. This is nowhere
near replacement value from the factory today.) He did not want to wait for
us to overhaul his actuators. His actuators arrived missing parts (bolts,
washers, bushings and a set screw) and partially disassembled. He had one
bad piston in the nose landing gear actuator - it was heavily corroded. He
also sent a shuttle valve whose mount holes would not align with any of the
actuators sent. He was charged for a replacement shuttle valve. I also
offered to send that defective valve back to him and the old piston. Here
is the complete text of my correspondence with Roger:
Dear Doc,
Good afternoon!
Please see the attached credit memo on your actuators. I will refund you
for the return of the bolts and skinny washers. As you can see by the
price, they are worthwhile returning.
The other deductions are for the corroded piston in the nose actuator. The
shuttle valves were not on the actuators when we got them and one of them
will not align with the holes in any of the actuators. If you want, I will
return this to you.
Hope you had a wonderful Thanksgiving!
Best regards,
Jill
*****
In reference to Roger's statement, "She just screwed me out of $800 on my
actuator cores", he cannot calculate. I refunded him $1,973.97 of the core
charge. $2,400 - $1973.97 = $426.03, not $800. Of that $426.03, if
Roger had sent me the missing parts I would have happily refunded him an
additional $87.77. Then, he would have been assessed a $338.26 core for
the rejected parts. I believe I was fair in my business practices.
Finally, I thank those of you who enjoy doing business with us for your
continued support.
Best regards,
Jill
M-14P, Inc.
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| Subject: | Re: Housai prop - VERY slow spin on start - help |
hmmmm, perhaps that's why checking the battery voltage is on the before start checklist!
Keith
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Keith McKinley
700HS
X26 Sebastian, FL
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Questions |
Heat system in my CJ.
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Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Housai prop - VERY slow spin on start - help |
Pure battery voltage isn't always a good clue without some sort of load on
it. I'd suggest testing the batteries after they're several years old on
every condition inspection or anytime strange things starts happening with
the electrical system. I had an instructor beat into my head years ago to
always start at the battery and its connections when diagnosing any
electrical issue. It was pretty good advice.
Mark Davis
N44YK
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From: "keithmckinley" <cetopfed@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 1:02 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Housai prop - VERY slow spin on start - help
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> hmmmm, perhaps that's why checking the battery voltage is on the before
> start checklist!
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> Keith
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> Keith McKinley
> 700HS
> X26 Sebastian, FL
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Questions |
Very interesting.-=0A=0AI have been working on my cabin heat install for
the last couple weeks. It is a DIY system. Sonic Headers made my heat muff:
-http://sonicheaders.com/=0A=0AThis picture was taken when I put the heat
muff on no. 8 which is the cylinder I told Sonic Headers to build my heat
muff for. They built it for no. 4 instead, so the picture does not represen
t its final installation. It turns out that having the heat muff on no. 4 i
s a better location than on no. 8.=0A=0AI just received some SCAT duct from
Aircraft Spruce and should finish my installation this weekend. I will tak
e more pictures this weekend.=0A=0ARobin=0A=0A=0A__________________________
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| Subject: | Todd McCutchan Yak 50 parts |
Hi Todd I see you have rubber parts on your list of things to replace if yo
ur referring to hoses I just went through that procedure took 3 months to g
et er done. Every one I contacted said send me your hoses (EVERYONE) none o
f the part suppliers has a set of hoses on the shelve ready to ship at a re
asonable price. The Yak=C2-hose if unaltered from the factory has a reusa
ble fitting=C2-and they are pretty easy to remove and reinstall on new ho
se mandrels would come in handy but to find them with the right size tread
and =C2-bevel would be impossible they would have to be made, I think if
I had to do it again I would find the hose and replace it myself as Jim sug
gested, just have to find a way to lock the B-nut down. =0A=0AWhen I starte
d=C2-my search Jill came to the top of the list even the Yak factory sugg
ested I contact Jill but I felt=C2-the quote was HIGH for having MY hoses
replaced It would have been acceptable for an outright sale and I keep my
old hoses, In her defense though=C2-she does go the extra mile and sends
the fitting out for cleaning and annealing? they look like AN fittings when
done (light blue). I went with Cliff Coy As the Coy's=C2-are in my back
yard when I'm in NY and=C2-able to drive to their facility. =0A=0AWhen I
contacted Termikas they said sure send us=C2-all 28 hoses and I thought t
o myself wow 28 hoses where are the hidden hoses well the fuel lines under
your ass and all the air hoses in the wing for the landing gear ya there's
quite a few.=0A=0ADuring my search I visited many (many)=C2-hose manufact
urer's=C2-actually just visited one today over in Sarasota=C2-Florida
=C2-BAT Inc http://www.mocalusa.com/=C2-I visited him with a couple fit
tings from the Yak and like everyplace else yes we have metric fitting but
not that one. So I said your web site says you can have any fitting manufac
tured he said sure can Yak oil lines straight $20.00 Yak oil 45 Deg $45.00
Yak air line 45 Deg $20 Yak air line straight $15.00 (MINIMUM order each 10
0) and can make=C2-them to=C2-fit off the shelf AN hose. So if any of t
he parts supplier's want to contact him via e-mail Eric Odenweller General
Manager eric@batinc.net send him some fittings and place some orders. Sure
would be nice to place an order get the hoses swap them out in a day or two
and go flying.=0A=0ARichard had the best response to my inquires (attached
)=0AHi Bill,=0A=C2-=0AI haven't checked the earlier correspondence, but i
t is a Ron Green now running the parts at Russian Engineering. But I can sa
y that they have no hoses.=0A=C2-=0AThe problem is that there was only a
limited number of spare metal ends, and in historic times, the overhaul fac
tories in Russia had sufficient to circulate these, but now no one has spar
es. So, in order to make new hoses, we need to have the old ends. Then the
metric hose material =93 you cannot use a Western analogue =93
has become incredibly expensive.=0A=C2-=0AWe make new hoses with our part
ner, Aerometal in Hungary, and although we are just revising our prices, I
would have thought that the complete set for a 52 at $2700 is about right.
Of course we can make them for you, but there is the additional expense of
sending your hoses across to Europe, and then back again, so I suspect it w
ould not make sense.=0A=C2-=0ABut please come back to me if you think I c
an help more.=0A=C2-=0AWith regards to paragraph Richard=0A=C2-=0ARicha
rd Goode Aerobatics=0ARhodds Farm=0A=0ABill Wade N4450Y=0A
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| Subject: | Todd McCutchan Yak 50 parts |
Thanks Bill. Very informative. I was not aware there were 28. I was
warned already by several people (Richard being one of them) to be sure
to keep all the fittings as there aren=99t any more.
Looks like my adventure into the Yak=99s / Experimental is just
beginning.
Todd McCutchan
Fast Aircraft
T-34A & Yak-50
Cell - 260.402.1740
Email: <mailto:todd@fastaircraft.com> todd@fastaircraft.com
Skype: tmccutchan
Web: <http://www.fastaircraft.com/> www.fastaircraft.com &
<http://www.toddmccutchanairshows.com/> www.toddmccutchanairshows.com
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[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bill wade
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 5:30 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Todd McCutchan Yak 50 parts
Hi Todd I see you have rubber parts on your list of things to replace if
your referring to hoses I just went through that procedure took 3 months
to get er done. Every one I contacted said send me your hoses (EVERYONE)
none of the part suppliers has a set of hoses on the shelve ready to
ship at a reasonable price. The Yak hose if unaltered from the factory
has a reusable fitting and they are pretty easy to remove and reinstall
on new hose mandrels would come in handy but to find them with the right
size tread and bevel would be impossible they would have to be made, I
think if I had to do it again I would find the hose and replace it
myself as Jim suggested, just have to find a way to lock the B-nut down.
When I started my search Jill came to the top of the list even the Yak
factory suggested I contact Jill but I felt the quote was HIGH for
having MY hoses replaced It would have been acceptable for an outright
sale and I keep my old hoses, In her defense though she does go the
extra mile and sends the fitting out for cleaning and annealing? they
look like AN fittings when done (light blue). I went with Cliff Coy As
the Coy's are in my back yard when I'm in NY and able to drive to their
facility.
When I contacted Termikas they said sure send us all 28 hoses and I
thought to myself wow 28 hoses where are the hidden hoses well the fuel
lines under your ass and all the air hoses in the wing for the landing
gear ya there's quite a few.
During my search I visited many (many) hose manufacturer's actually just
visited one today over in Sarasota Florida BAT Inc
http://www.mocalusa.com/ I visited him with a couple fittings from the
Yak and like everyplace else yes we have metric fitting but not that
one. So I said your web site says you can have any fitting manufactured
he said sure can Yak oil lines straight $20.00 Yak oil 45 Deg $45.00 Yak
air line 45 Deg $20 Yak air line straight $15.00 (MINIMUM order each
100) and can make them to fit off the shelf AN hose. So if any of the
parts supplier's want to contact him via e-mail Eric Odenweller General
Manager eric@batinc.net send him some fittings and place some orders.
Sure would be nice to place an order get the hoses swap them out in a
day or two and go flying.
Richard had the best response to my inquires (attached)
Hi Bill,
I haven't checked the earlier correspondence, but it is a Ron Green now
running the parts at Russian Engineering. But I can say that they have
no hoses.
The problem is that there was only a limited number of spare metal ends,
and in historic times, the overhaul factories in Russia had sufficient
to circulate these, but now no one has spares. So, in order to make new
hoses, we need to have the old ends. Then the metric hose material
=93 you cannot use a Western analogue =93 has become
incredibly expensive.
We make new hoses with our partner, Aerometal in Hungary, and although
we are just revising our prices, I would have thought that the complete
set for a 52 at $2700 is about right. Of course we can make them for
you, but there is the additional expense of sending your hoses across to
Europe, and then back again, so I suspect it would not make sense.
But please come back to me if you think I can help more.
With regards to paragraph Richard
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Bill Wade N4450Y
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| Subject: | Re: CJ Questions |
Interesting! Thanks Phil
Walt
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From: PS
Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 2:47 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: CJ Questions
Heat system in my CJ.
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Phil
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