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Tue 12/10/13


Total Messages Posted: 4



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     1. 04:57 AM - Phlorida Phyer clarification (Cpayne)
     2. 12:42 PM - YAK55m Wing attachment bolts. (steve geard)
     3. 02:58 PM - Re: YAK55m Wing attachment bolts. (A. Dennis Savarese)
     4. 10:43 PM - Re: YAK55m Wing attachment bolts. (Walter Lannon)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:57:06 AM PST US
    From: Cpayne <cpayne@joimail.com>
    Subject: Phlorida Phyer clarification
    Of course I'm sorry about the Californian slight...I should have realized that in hard economic times, the average California RPA guy can't afford BOTH a wine sommelier AND a hanger valet. Here in Phlorida, the observant pilot will notice that our airports are co-located with either a nearby ABC Liquor or drive-thru Beverage Castle. Summer flying is the reason. Having lived in both California and Florida, I can describe our summers in SoCal-speak: Brutal, Dude. Have not laughed so hard lately as I did when I went to the bumwine.com site. Thanks, Dennis. BTW, after living in Napa/Sonoma wine country I acquired a taste for fine wines...yep, Fairbanks Port is my spirit of choice, 17.5% of Happy Hour, any place, any time. On a less serious note, the exhaust heat muffs works well for the pilot but the GIB turns blue. I have not tried the quartz heater but it makes sense in the rear cockpit. Craig Payne


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    Time: 12:42:22 PM PST US
    From: steve geard <stevegeard@xtra.co.nz>
    Subject: YAK55m Wing attachment bolts.
    Hey all Steve from NZ here. YAK55m # 920402.=0AI've got a quick question ab out the Wing attachment bolts.=0AAre they finger tight, or are they suppose d to be shimmed and torqued up?=0AAnd has anyone come across any attachment cracking or other defects?=0AMy birds got 360hrs on it and has a bit of pl ay in the main Starboard attachments, the bolts are not torqued. So my gues s is the fix would be ream the holes and fit oversize bolts???=0ACheers Ste ve :-)=0A-=0ALifes short fly Aerobatics!!!=0A


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    Time: 02:58:01 PM PST US
    From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: YAK55m Wing attachment bolts.
    Steve, This is a common problem with the 55's. You are correct about the fix. The holes need to be reamed and new, oversized bolts installed. The nut should be tightened and then torqued to the point where one notch in the castellated nut aligns with the cotter pin hole in the bolt. The bolts are stressed in sheer, not in tension. Thus, most likely no torque spec on the nut. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-6263 334-546-8182 (mobile) www.yak-52.com Skype - Yakguy1 On 12/10/2013 2:41 PM, steve geard wrote: > Hey all Steve from NZ here. YAK55m # 920402. > I've got a quick question about the Wing attachment bolts. > Are they finger tight, or are they supposed to be shimmed and torqued up? > And has anyone come across any attachment cracking or other defects? > My birds got 360hrs on it and has a bit of play in the main Starboard > attachments, the bolts are not torqued. So my guess is the fix would > be ream the holes and fit oversize bolts??? > Cheers Steve :-) > Lifes short fly Aerobatics!!! > > * > > *


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    Time: 10:43:59 PM PST US
    From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: YAK55m Wing attachment bolts.
    Dennis & Steve; The information Dennis has supplied is correct but since it is a subject not generally understood by many in the aviation industry I thought it may help to expand on it a bit. The term =9Ctorque=9D refers to a rotational method of measuring the amount of elongation (stretch) of a bolt as the nut is tightened. It applies to joints primarily subject to tensile loading and therefore has no true relevance to a joint that is primarily loaded in shear. In highly critical tension applications (e.g.: Some engine connecting rod bolts, some split hub propellor bolts, etc.) the =9Ctorque=99' method is not accurate enough and bolt stretch is directly measured with a micrometer or using ultra-sound techniques. For most applications the torque method is adequate. The bolt is stretched to a point within it=99s elastic limit where it is pre-loaded to a value higher than it will be subject to in service. This ensures that the bolt is not subject to cyclic stretching in service leading to fatigue failure. None of the above applies to the typical shear type wing attachment joint as used on our aircraft types. It is possible however that a relatively low value torque may be given by the manufacturer but for a quite different reason. It will be simply to guarantee that there is no axial play (looseness) allowed that could lead to wear. A typical shear type wing joint bolt will have a threaded section much smaller in diameter than the shear loaded area. Since there is no intent to stretch the the bolt there is no need for a full dia. thread. Maybe they would specify a torque limit so that someone would not tighten a 1/2=9D thread to a 1=9D dia. bolt limit???? Steve indicated there is some play but before getting to the reaming stage it is absolutely necessary to determine how much diametrical play exists and whether or not that is within the allowable limit. That information will be in the Technical manuals. I would make every effort to find it. At a guess (which is worth nothing!) I would think about 0.002 to 0.003 in. (0.05 to 0.075 mm) would be the maximum allowable. The joint straps will be manufactured from a 4340 (or similar) alloy steel and will be heat treated in the area of 170,000 to 200,000 psi. Line reaming in this case is not for an amateur! In fact it may have to be a precision grinding operation. With some luck new standard bolts may bring it back within limit if it is over. In any case whenever removing or installing shear type wing bolts you should use a =98bullet=9D to avoid any wear or damage. If you don=99t have these get a machine shop to make them for you. It is simply a steel bullet shaped screw on device to line things up. Also lots of grease! Make sure the nut is tight enough so there is no possible looseness. If you want to measure the torque check the thread size and diameter and find the applicable limit for that size in standard mild steel. Cheers; Walt From: A. Dennis Savarese Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: YAK55m Wing attachment bolts. Steve, This is a common problem with the 55's. You are correct about the fix. The holes need to be reamed and new, oversized bolts installed. The nut should be tightened and then torqued to the point where one notch in the castellated nut aligns with the cotter pin hole in the bolt. The bolts are stressed in sheer, not in tension. Thus, most likely no torque spec on the nut. Dennis A. Dennis Savarese 334-285-6263 334-546-8182 (mobile) www.yak-52.com Skype - Yakguy1On 12/10/2013 2:41 PM, steve geard wrote: Hey all Steve from NZ here. YAK55m # 920402. I've got a quick question about the Wing attachment bolts. Are they finger tight, or are they supposed to be shimmed and torqued up? And has anyone come across any attachment cracking or other defects? My birds got 360hrs on it and has a bit of play in the main Starboard attachments, the bolts are not torqued. So my guess is the fix would be ream the holes and fit oversize bolts??? Cheers Steve :-) Lifes short fly Aerobatics!!!




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