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4. 11:04 AM - Re: Switching from a yak52 to a yak55 (Sonic1)
5. 12:13 PM - Re: Cold Cylinder - housei - cont'd (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
6. 02:15 PM - Re: Cold Cylinder - housei - cont'd (A. Dennis Savarese)
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Click here for latest on Registration.
European registration and airworthiness issues (14th December 2013).
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Hello Richard,
I see you have updated your website today ... Friday 13 December 2013
http://www.russianaeros.com/Registration%20issue.htm
(New Page 1 - dated ... 14th December 2013).
You are absolutely right when you write :
'there is ABSOLUTELY NO UNIFORMITY as to how these non-certificated aircraft -
Yaks - are handled in Europe'.
What a shame !
I hope you are right when you write :
'I believe that Yaks are now able to fly in all EU countries,
albeit subject to different aviation frameworks in the different countries of Europe
...'
BUT ... for example, some German/Belgian/French/Dutch/Swiss/Italian/British/Spanish/Italian/Polish
pilots
have their Yaks registered in Lithuania (LY -xxx), Poland (SP-xxx), England (G-xxxx),
Spain (EC-xxx),
France (F-AZxx or F-WR ... F-HRxx), Dutch (PH-xxx) ... or even San Marino ... !
(T7-xxx) ... !!!
http://www.caa-mna.sm/registered_aircraft.php
They are not allowed to fly freely everywhere in Europe ...
And that's a real shame !!
Airworthiness of EASA Annex II (= NON EASA aircraft !!) are controlled on a national
basis and ... in an ideal world ...
would logically be recognised by other EASA members of course !
Not obvious at the moment I'm afraid ...
Wouldn'it be nice if ALL European National Aviation Authorities (EASA)
agreed on common standards to maintain and operate Yaks (and other flying machines)
in Europe !!
http://www.easa.eu.int/certification/faq/general-aviation-FAQ.php#11
http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issues_original_363.pdf
Isnt it FINALLY about time all European National Aviation Authorities agreed on
common standards
to maintain and operate Yaks in Europe
Is it too much to ask ?
Maybe one day ... one never knows ...
In the meantime I will continue to fly my UK CAA registered Yak-52 (G-CBSS) everywhere
in Europe
because the UK CAA were the first European NAA to establish very strict maintenance
requirements
and that these comply with the requirements of the Yakovlev Design Bureau (YDB)
regarding Airframe, Powerplant, etc ...
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=summary&aircrafttype=Yak-52
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=summary&aircrafttype=Yak-50
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=summary&aircrafttype=Yak-18
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=summary&aircrafttype=Yak%20C.11
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=summary&aircrafttype=Yak-3
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detailnosummary&fullregmark=YAKP
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detailnosummary&fullregmark=PFKD
...
My Yak-52 is based in Belgium but I regularly fly in France with no problem with
the French CAA (DGAC).
I have even been controlled by the French 'Air Police' BGTA (Brigade de Gendarmerie
Transport Arien) and they were happy with everything ...
But now we are planning to buy a French Registered Yak-50 ...
Will I be able to fly in the UK ?
We'll see. 8) 8)
Cheers, Etienne.
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| Subject: | Re: European registration/certification |
Hi Etiennes
If you fly In France with a yak52 Golf Registred you should have a permit to fly
fro the dgac .
If you didn't have trouble it is just because the Gendarmerie is not aware about
that!
In an other hand, if you crash In France (i don't expect it of course !!!) I am
very sure that your insurer will remember this lack to you!
Tail wind!
Olivier
Le 13 dc. 2013 12:25, "Etienne Verhellen" <janie@yak52.fr> a crit :
>
> Click here for latest on Registration.
>
> European registration and airworthiness issues (14th December 2013).
> ==================================================
>
> Hello Richard,
>
> I see you have updated your website today ... Friday 13 December 2013
> http://www.russianaeros.com/Registration%20issue.htm
> (New Page 1 - dated ... 14th December 2013).
>
> You are absolutely right when you write :
> 'there is ABSOLUTELY NO UNIFORMITY as to how these non-certificated aircraft
- Yaks - are handled in Europe'.
>
> What a shame !
>
> I hope you are right when you write :
> 'I believe that Yaks are now able to fly in all EU countries,
> albeit subject to different aviation frameworks in the different countries of
Europe ...'
>
> BUT ... for example, some German/Belgian/French/Dutch/Swiss/Italian/British/Spanish/Italian/Polish
pilots
> have their Yaks registered in Lithuania (LY -xxx), Poland (SP-xxx), England
(G-xxxx), Spain (EC-xxx),
> France (F-AZxx or F-WR ... F-HRxx), Dutch (PH-xxx) ... or even San Marino ...
! (T7-xxx) ... !!!
> http://www.caa-mna.sm/registered_aircraft.php
>
> They are not allowed to fly freely everywhere in Europe ...
>
> And that's a real shame !!
>
> Airworthiness of EASA Annex II (= NON EASA aircraft !!) are controlled on a national
basis and ... in an ideal world ...
> would logically be recognised by other EASA members of course !
>
> Not obvious at the moment I'm afraid ...
>
> Wouldn'it be nice if ALL European National Aviation Authorities (EASA)
> agreed on common standards to maintain and operate Yaks (and other flying machines)
in Europe !!
>
> http://www.easa.eu.int/certification/faq/general-aviation-FAQ.php#11
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issues_original_363.pdf
>
> Isnt it FINALLY about time all European National Aviation Authorities agreed
on common standards
> to maintain and operate Yaks in Europe
>
> Is it too much to ask ?
>
> Maybe one day ... one never knows ...
>
> In the meantime I will continue to fly my UK CAA registered Yak-52 (G-CBSS) everywhere
in Europe
> because the UK CAA were the first European NAA to establish very strict maintenance
requirements
> and that these comply with the requirements of the Yakovlev Design Bureau (YDB)
regarding Airframe, Powerplant, etc ...
> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=summary&aircrafttype=Yak-52
> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=summary&aircrafttype=Yak-50
> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=summary&aircrafttype=Yak-18
> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=summary&aircrafttype=Yak%20C.11
> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=summary&aircrafttype=Yak-3
> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detailnosummary&fullregmark=YAKP
> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detailnosummary&fullregmark=PFKD
> ...
>
> My Yak-52 is based in Belgium but I regularly fly in France with no problem with
the French CAA (DGAC).
> I have even been controlled by the French 'Air Police' BGTA (Brigade de Gendarmerie
Transport Arien) and they were happy with everything ...
>
> But now we are planning to buy a French Registered Yak-50 ...
>
> Will I be able to fly in the UK ?
>
> We'll see. 8) 8)
>
> Cheers, Etienne.
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/files/g_cbss_yak_52_zoersel_11_180812_116.jpg
>
> http://fanairplane.free.fr/affichage2.php?img=15649
> http://fanairplane.free.fr/affichage2.php?img=15648
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> http://www.pbase.com/fournier/image/146113628
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>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=415489#415489
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| Subject: | Re: European registration/certification |
Thank you for the info Olivier.
Can you please tell me (janie@yak52.fr) who I should contact (DGAC)
to apply for a 'French' Permit to Fly ? Ta.
How much will I have to pay the French Bureaucrat for his piece of paper
and his 'hard work' ?
How long is it valid for ?
i.e. how long before I have to pay another Bureaucrat for a 'new' useless piece
of paper ?
That was actually exactly my point :
It would be really nice to have COMMON EUROPEAN STANDARDS
(maintenance requirements) regarding Yaks in Europe.
Then once a 'Permit to Fly' has been issued by a particular National Aviation Authority,
it would be recognised and accepted by all other European NAAs.
WITHOUT additional Fees and Paperwork !
Maybe be one day ... Yaks in Europe will be free from Red Tape ...
http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issues_original_363.pdf
... Don't hold your breath ...
Like I wrote before, the UK CAA was the first European NAA to establish very strict
maintenance requirements
in compliance with the prescriptions of the Manufacturer of these aircraft, the
Yakovlev Design Bureau (YDB)
regarding Airframe, Powerplant, etc ...
(That's also why a lot of Pilots based in Continental Europe bought their Yaks
in the UK ...
before switching to various exotic foreign register (San Marino T7, Polish SP...)
or mainly the illegal FLA register (RA-xxxx then RA-xxxxK !) ...
At least, they were starting with a very sound and properly maintained aircraft.
Later, ALL other European NAAs started to play catch up when they realised that
most of the Yaks in their countries
were flying with illegal documents (Illegal Certificate of Airworthiness, illegal
Pilot licence,
non-compliance with the Yakovlevs maintenance directives, etc ... )
Humm Olivier ... you are telling me that I had no problem when the French 'Gendarmerie
des Airs' (BGTA)
investigating my aircraft paperwork in France because they don't know the rules
...
Humm ... OK !
There were a couple of fatal Yaks accidents in France.
With Investigations by the French Police (BGTA), French CAA (DGAC), French Maintenance
Agency (OSAC), French AAIB/NTSB called 'BEA' :
http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2008/ra-k080504/pdf/ra-k080504.pdf
http://www.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/b2010_010.pdfhttp://www.bea.aero/docspa/2011/ra-k110424/pdf/ra-k110424.pdf
http://www.developpement-durable.gouv.fr/IMG/pdf/b2010_010.pdf
Not sure what happened from an Insurance point of view ...
But concerning this UK CAA Registered Yak-52 based in France (flown by a Belgian
owner) :
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=detailnosummary&fullregmark=YYAK
so far, it suffered quite a few incidents in France ...
http://www.bea.aero/docspa/2010/g-ak100612/pdf/g-ak100612.pdf
the Insurance paid for a new propeller (V530 TA-D35) and a new engine (M-14P) !
;-)
They are a few UK CAA registered Yak-52 based in Continental Europe ...
With a couple based in France ...
Olivier, is your Yak-52 still registered in Lithuania : LY-ASQ
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/000510624.html
and based in France ?
I guess you also have to ask for a 'Permit to Fly' to the French CAA ?
And pay the fee ... every 3 months ?
Can you have your Yak-52 legally based in France ?
Would it not be easier if the French CAA was happy with your Lithuanian Permit
to Fly
without further red tape from them or any other European Bureaucrats ...
if you decided to visit us in Belgium or in the UK ... ;-))
Are you considering registering your Yak-52 LY-ASQ with the French CAA according
to this AIC dated 03 May 2012 :
https://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/dossier/aicfrancea/AIC_A_2012_08_EN.pdf
https://www.sia.aviation-civile.gouv.fr/dossier/aicfrancea/AIC_A_2012_08_FR.pdf
Do you understand what I'm trying to say about flying Yaks freely in European skies
!
Cheers, Etienne.
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http://www.airplane-pictures.net/images/uploaded-images/2012-8/27/233410.jpg
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Evening Magazine did a great story on Bud and Ross a few years ago.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_2FAY5pIms
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| Subject: | Cold Cylinder - housei - cont'd |
Darn good suggestion! It is very easy to get which mag fires which plug confused,
and it would explain a heck of a lot! Good one Dennis.
Mark
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
on behalf of A. Dennis Savarese [dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cold Cylinder - housei - cont'd
I should have added, the #1 mag, which is the left mag, fires the front plugs.
Based on everything you said and what your symptoms are, this is the only thing
that makes any sense. So verify the mag switch and p leads are set up #1 = left
mag and #2 = right mag.
Dennis
________________________________
From: A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Cold Cylinder - housei - cont'd
Gill,
Most mag switches on the CJ's AND Yaks are wired where #2 mag is the right mag
which fires the rear plugs. In other words, when the mag switch is on #2 the
right mag is firing and when in the #1 position, the left mag is firing.
To confirm this, remove the P lead from the right mag and place your ohm meter
on the P lead. It should show a ground when the mag switch is in the OFF and
#1 position. If it does, you replaced the wire from the wrong mag.
Dennis
________________________________
From: Gil Lipaz <glipaz@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 3:22 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Cold Cylinder - housei - cont'd
Gents:
thank you all for the contributions. I have the auto plug harness on. this is
not the original Chinese harness anymore. I have replaced the suspected bad
lead and the suspected bad plug and the mag cap. Still cold on only one cylinder
(#1) on mag 2. I am not sure how an air leak would cause the front plug to
fail but allow the rear plug to fire.
thanks, Gil
Gil Lipaz
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