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1. 04:45 AM - Re: Yak 52 Radio (A. Dennis Savarese)
2. 06:09 AM - Re: Yak 52 Radio (Robert Dayton)
3. 06:21 AM - Re: Yak 52 Radio (George S. Coy)
4. 06:21 AM - Re: Yak 52 Radio (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 06:31 AM - Fuel levels (Gmail)
6. 06:44 AM - Re: Fuel levels (A. Dennis Savarese)
7. 06:57 AM - Re: Yak 52 Radio (Robert Dayton)
8. 07:05 AM - Re: Yak 52 Radio (A. Dennis Savarese)
9. 07:07 AM - Re: Fuel levels (A. Dennis Savarese)
10. 07:13 AM - Re: Fuel Level Senders (jblake207@comcast.net)
11. 08:00 AM - Re: Fuel Level Senders (A. Dennis Savarese)
12. 08:05 AM - Re: Fuel Level Senders (DaBear)
13. 08:38 AM - Re: Fuel Level Senders (jblake207@comcast.net)
14. 09:57 AM - Re: Fuel Level Senders (Gill Gutierrez)
15. 10:11 AM - Re: Fuel Level Senders (A. Dennis Savarese)
16. 10:23 AM - Re: Fuel Level Senders (Gill Gutierrez)
17. 11:15 AM - Re: Fuel Level Senders (Dr. Robert Schroeder)
18. 01:23 PM - Re: Yak 52 Radio (LawnDart)
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 Radio |
Agree with Olivier. First, why not try transmitting from the rear
cockpit? If the rear cockpit is also not working, then what I would
suggest is discuss the situation with your mechanic with the
understanding you are trying to see if something was accidentally
disconnected or broken while rooting around inside the cockpit. I was
told many, many years ago when something is not working after someone
worked on the airplane, always go back to the last thing that was worked
on first.
You could also slide the Baklan 5 radio (the VHF radio) out of the radio
rack and re-seat it, making sure you tighten the thumb nuts completely
when re-seating it. In fact, ask the mechanic if he removed the "box"
from the rack during the inspection.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 12/23/2013 1:26 AM, ssssskippy wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> In my own opinion something is unplugged betwin the mike and the radio...,,
>
> Olivier V
>
>
> Le 23 dc. 2013 07:41, "DAG" <robdayton@gmail.com> a crit :
>
>>
>> I have recently got my aircraft back from its annual inspection.The radio was
working fine but now it is only transmitting carrier wave.
>> Any suggestions will be appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416096#416096
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 Radio |
Thanks for the suggestions so far.
I have tried transmitting from the rear cockpit and have tried using
different headsets.
The mechanic says he did not touch any radio equipment.
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:43 PM, A. Dennis Savarese <
dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
> Agree with Olivier. First, why not try transmitting from the rear
> cockpit? If the rear cockpit is also not working, then what I would
> suggest is discuss the situation with your mechanic with the understandin
g
> you are trying to see if something was accidentally disconnected or broke
n
> while rooting around inside the cockpit. I was told many, many years ago
> when something is not working after someone worked on the airplane, alway
s
> go back to the last thing that was worked on first.
>
> You could also slide the Baklan 5 radio (the VHF radio) out of the radio
> rack and re-seat it, making sure you tighten the thumb nuts completely wh
en
> re-seating it. In fact, ask the mechanic if he removed the "box" from th
e
> rack during the inspection.
>
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-285-6263
> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
> www.yak-52.com
> Skype - Yakguy1
>
>
> On 12/23/2013 1:26 AM, ssssskippy wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi
>>
>> In my own opinion something is unplugged betwin the mike and the
>> radio...,,
>>
>> Olivier V
>>
>>
>> Le 23 d=E9c. 2013 =E0 07:41, "DAG" <robdayton@gmail.com> a =E9crit :
>>
>>>
>>> I have recently got my aircraft back from its annual inspection.The
>>> radio was working fine but now it is only transmitting carrier wave.
>>> Any suggestions will be appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416096#416096
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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Tru messing with the swich panel on the original audio panel. As I
remember
both little switchjes need to be in the up position. By the way, does
the
intercom work OK?
George
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Dayton
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 Radio
Thanks for the suggestions so far.
I have tried transmitting from the rear cockpit and have tried using
different headsets.
The mechanic says he did not touch any radio equipment.
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:43 PM, A. Dennis Savarese
<dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
<dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
Agree with Olivier. First, why not try transmitting from the rear
cockpit?
If the rear cockpit is also not working, then what I would suggest is
discuss the situation with your mechanic with the understanding you are
trying to see if something was accidentally disconnected or broken while
rooting around inside the cockpit. I was told many, many years ago when
something is not working after someone worked on the airplane, always go
back to the last thing that was worked on first.
You could also slide the Baklan 5 radio (the VHF radio) out of the radio
rack and re-seat it, making sure you tighten the thumb nuts completely
when
re-seating it. In fact, ask the mechanic if he removed the "box" from
the
rack during the inspection.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 12/23/2013 1:26 AM, ssssskippy wrote:
Hi
In my own opinion something is unplugged betwin the mike and the
radio...,,
Olivier V
Le 23 d=E9c. 2013 =E0 07:41, "DAG" <robdayton@gmail.com> a =E9crit :
I have recently got my aircraft back from its annual inspection.The
radio
was working fine but now it is only transmitting carrier wave.
Any suggestions will be appreciated.
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 Radio |
Have you been told by whoever is receiving your transmission there is no
audio and only carrier? Or is it that you have no sidetone in your headsets?
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 12/23/2013 8:08 AM, Robert Dayton wrote:
> Thanks for the suggestions so far.
> I have tried transmitting from the rear cockpit and have tried using
> different headsets.
> The mechanic says he did not touch any radio equipment.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:43 PM, A. Dennis Savarese
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>> wrote:
>
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>>
>
> Agree with Olivier. First, why not try transmitting from the
> rear cockpit? If the rear cockpit is also not working, then what
> I would suggest is discuss the situation with your mechanic with
> the understanding you are trying to see if something was
> accidentally disconnected or broken while rooting around inside
> the cockpit. I was told many, many years ago when something is
> not working after someone worked on the airplane, always go back
> to the last thing that was worked on first.
>
> You could also slide the Baklan 5 radio (the VHF radio) out of the
> radio rack and re-seat it, making sure you tighten the thumb nuts
> completely when re-seating it. In fact, ask the mechanic if he
> removed the "box" from the rack during the inspection.
>
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-285-6263 <tel:334-285-6263>
> 334-546-8182 <tel:334-546-8182> (mobile)
> www.yak-52.com <http://www.yak-52.com>
> Skype - Yakguy1
>
>
> On 12/23/2013 1:26 AM, ssssskippy wrote:
>
> <ssssskippy@gmail.com <mailto:ssssskippy@gmail.com>>
>
> Hi
>
> In my own opinion something is unplugged betwin the mike and
> the radio...,,
>
> Olivier V
>
>
> Le 23 dc. 2013 07:41, "DAG" <robdayton@gmail.com
> <mailto:robdayton@gmail.com>> a crit :
>
> <mailto:robdayton@gmail.com>>
>
> I have recently got my aircraft back from its annual
> inspection.The radio was working fine but now it is only
> transmitting carrier wave.
> Any suggestions will be appreciated.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416096#416096
>
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The JU-52 fuel system is a series of tanks of varying sizes cascaded
together to the main tank, where the fuel indicator is.
Fuel burn is an important component of flight planning!
Russ
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What is a JU-52?
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 12/23/2013 8:31 AM, Gmail wrote:
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> The JU-52 fuel system is a series of tanks of varying sizes cascaded
> together to the main tank, where the fuel indicator is.
> Fuel burn is an important component of flight planning!
>
> Russ
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 Radio |
I was told by other aircraft that they were only receiving carrier wave.
Also no side tone.
Intercom is working fine.
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 4:20 PM, George S. Coy <george.coy@gmail.com> wrote
:
> Tru messing with the swich panel on the original audio panel. As I
> remember both little switchjes need to be in the up position. By the way,
> does the intercom work OK?
>
> George
>
>
> *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Robert Dayton
> *Sent:* Monday, December 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 Radio
>
>
> Thanks for the suggestions so far.
>
> I have tried transmitting from the rear cockpit and have tried using
> different headsets.
>
> The mechanic says he did not touch any radio equipment.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:43 PM, A. Dennis Savarese <
> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
>
> Agree with Olivier. First, why not try transmitting from the rear
> cockpit? If the rear cockpit is also not working, then what I would
> suggest is discuss the situation with your mechanic with the understandin
g
> you are trying to see if something was accidentally disconnected or broke
n
> while rooting around inside the cockpit. I was told many, many years ago
> when something is not working after someone worked on the airplane, alway
s
> go back to the last thing that was worked on first.
>
> You could also slide the Baklan 5 radio (the VHF radio) out of the radio
> rack and re-seat it, making sure you tighten the thumb nuts completely wh
en
> re-seating it. In fact, ask the mechanic if he removed the "box" from th
e
> rack during the inspection.
>
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-285-6263
> 334-546-8182 (mobile)
> www.yak-52.com
> Skype - Yakguy1
>
>
> On 12/23/2013 1:26 AM, ssssskippy wrote:
>
>
> Hi
>
> In my own opinion something is unplugged betwin the mike and the radio...
,,
>
> Olivier V
>
>
> Le 23 d=E9c. 2013 =E0 07:41, "DAG" <robdayton@gmail.com> a =E9crit :
>
>
> I have recently got my aircraft back from its annual inspection.The radio
> was working fine but now it is only transmitting carrier wave.
> Any suggestions will be appreciated.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416096#416096
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 Radio |
OK. I would remove the Baklan 5 radio from the radio rack and try
reseating it.
The radio may have coincidentally gone T.U. If you know anyone with a
Yak 52, try swapping out the radio and then test it.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 12/23/2013 8:57 AM, Robert Dayton wrote:
> I was told by other aircraft that they were only receiving carrier wave.
> Also no side tone.
> Intercom is working fine.
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 4:20 PM, George S. Coy <george.coy@gmail.com
> <mailto:george.coy@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Tru messing with the swich panel on the original audio panel. As I
> remember both little switchjes need to be in the up position. By
> the way, does the intercom work OK?
>
> George
>
> *From:*owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> <mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com>] *On Behalf Of
> *Robert Dayton
> *Sent:* Monday, December 23, 2013 9:09 AM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Yak 52 Radio
>
> Thanks for the suggestions so far.
>
> I have tried transmitting from the rear cockpit and have tried
> using different headsets.
>
> The mechanic says he did not touch any radio equipment.
>
> On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:43 PM, A. Dennis Savarese
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>>
> wrote:
>
> <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>>
>
> Agree with Olivier. First, why not try transmitting from the
> rear cockpit? If the rear cockpit is also not working, then what
> I would suggest is discuss the situation with your mechanic with
> the understanding you are trying to see if something was
> accidentally disconnected or broken while rooting around inside
> the cockpit. I was told many, many years ago when something is
> not working after someone worked on the airplane, always go back
> to the last thing that was worked on first.
>
> You could also slide the Baklan 5 radio (the VHF radio) out of the
> radio rack and re-seat it, making sure you tighten the thumb nuts
> completely when re-seating it. In fact, ask the mechanic if he
> removed the "box" from the rack during the inspection.
>
> Dennis
>
> A. Dennis Savarese
> 334-285-6263 <tel:334-285-6263>
> 334-546-8182 <tel:334-546-8182> (mobile)
> www.yak-52.com <http://www.yak-52.com>
> Skype - Yakguy1
>
>
> On 12/23/2013 1:26 AM, ssssskippy wrote:
>
> <mailto:ssssskippy@gmail.com>>
>
> Hi
>
> In my own opinion something is unplugged betwin the mike and the
> radio...,,
>
> Olivier V
>
>
> Le 23 dc. 2013 07:41, "DAG" <robdayton@gmail.com
> <mailto:robdayton@gmail.com>> a crit :
>
> <mailto:robdayton@gmail.com>>
>
> I have recently got my aircraft back from its annual
> inspection.The radio was working fine but now it is only
> transmitting carrier wave.
> Any suggestions will be appreciated.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=416096#416096
>
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You mean a Junkers JU-52?
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 12/23/2013 8:31 AM, Gmail wrote:
>
> The JU-52 fuel system is a series of tanks of varying sizes cascaded
> together to the main tank, where the fuel indicator is.
> Fuel burn is an important component of flight planning!
>
> Russ
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Level Senders |
Back in the good ole days when I was an IP, I'd tell pilots the best fuel g
age was on their wrist.
=C2-
I've had the FS 450 installed in my last four airplanes.=C2- It pays for
itself just in terms of saving fuel burned landing and refueling n
ot to mention the peace of mind. =C2- I regularly make the flight from th
e Gulf Coast to the Outer Banks of NC in my Arrow; normally about 4.5 hours
, but when winds aren=99t favorable the Fuel Totalizer gives me enoug
h accurate information to press or land and refuel. =C2-=C2-9 out of 10
times I can press on with the comfortable knowledge that I will have enoug
h fuel. =C2- Same is true in my Nanchang In the Arrow, the amoun
t burned is always within a gallon indicated. =C2- The CJ is not always a
s accurate since it takes time for fuel to flow from tank to tank, but it i
s usually within about 3 gallons. =C2- The trick is to refuel as slowly a
s possible in the CJ. =C2- For example, I flew the CJ this past weekend a
nd refueled at the FBO while cross country. =C2- Amount taken on and amou
nt burned were off by 4 gallons =C2- When I got home and refuele
d slowly the Delta was about 1.5 gallons. =C2-
=C2-
=C2-
Jon Blake
jblake207@comcast.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 10:43:20 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Fuel Level Senders
Who out there has the new bladder tanks in their CJ? =C2-What fuel sender
s are
you using? =C2-Are you having any problems with the foam causing incorrec
t
readings?
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Level Senders |
Precisely my point too about fuel gauges.
For clarification, I'm pretty sure Jon's CJ does not have the bladder
tanks. He has the original main tanks in the outboard wings and "Aux"
tanks in the wing stub on both side of the airplane. That is why he
mentions fuel flowing from tank to tank when filling up.
Jon, please correct me if I misunderstood your statement.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 12/23/2013 9:13 AM, jblake207@comcast.net wrote:
>
> Back in the good ole days when I was an IP, I'd tell pilots the best
> fuel gage was on their wrist.
>
> I've had the FS 450 installed in my last four airplanes. It pays for
> itself just in terms of saving fuel burned landing and refueling...
> not to mention the peace of mind.I regularly make the flight from the
> Gulf Coast to the Outer Banks of NC in my Arrow; normally about 4.5
> hours, but when winds aren't favorable the Fuel Totalizer gives me
> enough accurate information to press or land and refuel. 9 out of 10
> times I can press on with the comfortable knowledge that I will have
> enough fuel.Same is true in my Nanchang... In the Arrow, the amount
> burned is always within a gallon indicated.The CJ is not always as
> accurate since it takes time for fuel to flow from tank to tank, but
> it is usually within about 3 gallons.The trick is to refuel as slowly
> as possible in the CJ.For example, I flew the CJ this past weekend and
> refueled at the FBO while cross country.Amount taken on and amount
> burned were off by 4 gallons...When I got home and refueled slowly the
> Delta was about 1.5 gallons.
>
>
> Jon Blake
> jblake207@comcast.net
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
> *To: *yak-list@matronics.com
> *Sent: *Friday, December 20, 2013 10:43:20 PM
> *Subject: *Yak-List: Fuel Level Senders
>
>
> Who out there has the new bladder tanks in their CJ? What fuel
> senders are
> you using? Are you having any problems with the foam causing incorrect
> readings?
>
>
> *
>
> *
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| Subject: | Fuel Level Senders |
Jon, and everyone else, thanks for the comments on fuel flow,
etc I
I should have given more information. I have 30-32 gal bladders (with
foam inside) on each wing of my CJ. I also have a fuel flow in line to
the engine from the main header tank. The fuel flow accuracy is within
0.5 of a gal and that error rate is really just the level used to fill
the tank and temperature.
The problem is I gauges are not accurate (They are changed out from the
standard CJ due to going full glass in the cockpit) Now, normally I
don=99t run all 60-64 gals out of the tanks, but on a long cross
country into the wind I was pushing the gauges. I had almost an hour of
fuel on board, however the left tank went dry and I lost the engine for
a few seconds then with the boost pump on (facet pump replaced
wobble) she ran rough, but ran enough to get to an airport. I fueled
the airplane and the left tank was completely empty and the right tank
had 12 gals in it.
The gauges did not read correctly to tell me the fuel imbalance.
Bear
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
jblake207@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel Level Senders
Back in the good ole days when I was an IP, I'd tell pilots the best
fuel gage was on their wrist.
I've had the FS 450 installed in my last four airplanes. It pays for
itself just in terms of saving fuel burned landing and
refueling not to mention the peace of mind. I regularly make
the flight from the Gulf Coast to the Outer Banks of NC in my Arrow;
normally about 4.5 hours, but when winds aren=99t favorable the
Fuel Totalizer gives me enough accurate information to press or land and
refuel. 9 out of 10 times I can press on with the comfortable knowledge
that I will have enough fuel. Same is true in my Nanchang In
the Arrow, the amount burned is always within a gallon indicated. The
CJ is not always as accurate since it takes time for fuel to flow from
tank to tank, but it is usually within about 3 gallons. The trick is to
refuel as slowly as possible in the CJ. For example, I flew the CJ this
past weekend and refueled at the FBO while cross country. Amount taken
on and amount burned were off by 4 gallons When I got home and
refueled slowly the Delta was about 1.5 gallons.
Jon Blake
jblake207@comcast.net <mailto:jblake207@comcast.net>
_____
From: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org <mailto:dabear@damned.org> >
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 10:43:20 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Fuel Level Senders
<mailto:dabear@damned.org> >
Who out there has the new bladder tanks in their CJ? What fuel senders
are
you using? Are you having any problems with the foam causing incorrect
readings?
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Level Senders |
That's right Dennis.=C2- Bottom line... ask Santa for a fuel flow indicat
or !!
Jon Blake
jblake207@comcast.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Dennis Savarese" <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 9:59:20 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Fuel Level Senders
Precisely my point too about fuel gauges.
For clarification, I'm pretty sure Jon's CJ does not have the bladder tanks
.=C2- He has the original main tanks in the outboard wings and "Aux" tank
s in the wing stub on both side of the airplane.=C2- That is why he menti
ons fuel flowing from tank to tank when filling up.
Jon, please correct me if I misunderstood your statement.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile) www.yak-52.com Skype - Yakguy1 On 12/23/2013 9:13 AM,
jblake207@comcast.net wrote:
Back in the good ole days when I was an IP, I'd tell pilots the best fuel g
age was on their wrist.
=C2-
I've had the FS 450 installed in my last four airplanes.=C2- It pays for
itself just in terms of saving fuel burned landing and refueling n
ot to mention the peace of mind. =C2- I regularly make the flight from th
e Gulf Coast to the Outer Banks of NC in my Arrow; normally about 4.5 hours
, but when winds aren=99t favorable the Fuel Totalizer gives me enoug
h accurate information to press or land and refuel. =C2-=C2-9 out of 10
times I can press on with the comfortable knowledge that I will have enoug
h fuel. =C2- Same is true in my Nanchang In the Arrow, the amoun
t burned is always within a gallon indicated. =C2- The CJ is not always a
s accurate since it takes time for fuel to flow from tank to tank, but it i
s usually within about 3 gallons. =C2- The trick is to refuel as slowly a
s possible in the CJ. =C2- For example, I flew the CJ this past weekend a
nd refueled at the FBO while cross country. =C2- Amount taken on and amou
nt burned were off by 4 gallons =C2- When I got home and refuele
d slowly the Delta was about 1.5 gallons. =C2-
=C2-
=C2-
Jon Blake
jblake207@comcast.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "DaBear" <dabear@damned.org>
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 10:43:20 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Fuel Level Senders
Who out there has the new bladder tanks in their CJ? =C2-What fuel sender
s are
you using? =C2-Are you having any problems with the foam causing incorrec
t
readings?
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| Subject: | Fuel Level Senders |
Bear,
All the CJ bladders use the same sender and foam. There have been no
reported problems with accuracy. I f you are having a problem please feel
free to contact me directly.
Gill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaBear
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 9:43 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Fuel Level Senders
Who out there has the new bladder tanks in their CJ? What fuel senders are
you using? Are you having any problems with the foam causing incorrect
readings?
Bear
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Level Senders |
Just a guess on my part, but Bear said he is no longer using the
original CJ fuel instrument because of the glass panel upgrades.
Couldn't that be a compatibility issue?
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 12/23/2013 11:56 AM, Gill Gutierrez wrote:
>
> Bear,
>
> All the CJ bladders use the same sender and foam. There have been no
> reported problems with accuracy. I f you are having a problem please feel
> free to contact me directly.
>
> Gill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaBear
> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 9:43 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Fuel Level Senders
>
>
> Who out there has the new bladder tanks in their CJ? What fuel senders are
> you using? Are you having any problems with the foam causing incorrect
> readings?
>
> Bear
>
>
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| Subject: | Fuel Level Senders |
Dr Schroeder,
The sender in the bladders and in the original metal tanks cannot physically
measure fuel at the top of the tank because of the dihedral wing and thus
angled tank, high out-board filler location vs. low in board fuel level
sender location. Sender and resister are intentionally designed to read
only the last 60 liters per side using the standard CJ fuel gauge. Some
thought was given to refacing the gauge provide a greater measurement range
but it seemed that 2 hours of remaining fuel gave you adequate time to plan
you landing (BTW there is no reason you could increase the range, but you
would have mark or reface your fuel gauge to show as much as 90 liter per
side). I have used the same sender in my CJ for around 10 year and find
that the gauge and fuel pump agree within a liter or two and I have never
had to recalibrate them. I am glad you are enjoying the peace on mind of
the added fuel.
Gill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Robert
Schroeder
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 6:10 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Fuel Level Senders
--> <Firedog@visi.com>
Bear,
Kelley Monroe and I put in the bladder tanks last winter...of course winter
covers most of the months here in Minnesota, but I digress.
Kelley spent countless hours trying to solve the host of issues concerning
accurate fuel gauge readings.
The chase started with the correctly sized resistors at the sending units;
the calibrating of gauges through the known fuel levels...drain and
measure...drain and measure.
He spoke repeatedly with the bladder designer in AZ...and the manufacturer
of the sending units...this is not a foam in the tank issue.
We considered preparing an article for the Red Star but did not get it done
yet...your inquiry may be a good reason to formally write about it.
Bottom line, I have come to accept that the fuel gauges provide me "notice"
of "you're at 20 gallons and dropping" per side readings.
I have not and cannot get the sender to provide me with a real time reading
from the top of the tank to "bingo".
Kelley is in Chicago until Monday and thus off line. When he returns, I'm
sure he will add and correct (encouraged) my posting.
I love having the longer range tanks for the peace of mind factor...and you
will as well.
Merry Christmas to all Yaksters
>From the frozen waste land,
Robert
N6343U
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaBear
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 10:43 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Fuel Level Senders
Who out there has the new bladder tanks in their CJ? What fuel senders are
you using? Are you having any problems with the foam causing incorrect
readings?
Bear
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Gill,
Thanks for your comments...I'm very satisfied with the conversion and would
encourage all who fly more than local hops to do so as well.
Stay safe and Happy Holidays to all.
ras
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gill Gutierrez
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 12:24 PM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Fuel Level Senders
Dr Schroeder,
The sender in the bladders and in the original metal tanks cannot physically
measure fuel at the top of the tank because of the dihedral wing and thus
angled tank, high out-board filler location vs. low in board fuel level
sender location. Sender and resister are intentionally designed to read
only the last 60 liters per side using the standard CJ fuel gauge. Some
thought was given to refacing the gauge provide a greater measurement range
but it seemed that 2 hours of remaining fuel gave you adequate time to plan
you landing (BTW there is no reason you could increase the range, but you
would have mark or reface your fuel gauge to show as much as 90 liter per
side). I have used the same sender in my CJ for around 10 year and find
that the gauge and fuel pump agree within a liter or two and I have never
had to recalibrate them. I am glad you are enjoying the peace on mind of
the added fuel.
Gill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Robert
Schroeder
Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 6:10 AM
Subject: RE: Yak-List: Fuel Level Senders
--> <Firedog@visi.com>
Bear,
Kelley Monroe and I put in the bladder tanks last winter...of course winter
covers most of the months here in Minnesota, but I digress.
Kelley spent countless hours trying to solve the host of issues concerning
accurate fuel gauge readings.
The chase started with the correctly sized resistors at the sending units;
the calibrating of gauges through the known fuel levels...drain and
measure...drain and measure.
He spoke repeatedly with the bladder designer in AZ...and the manufacturer
of the sending units...this is not a foam in the tank issue.
We considered preparing an article for the Red Star but did not get it done
yet...your inquiry may be a good reason to formally write about it.
Bottom line, I have come to accept that the fuel gauges provide me "notice"
of "you're at 20 gallons and dropping" per side readings.
I have not and cannot get the sender to provide me with a real time reading
from the top of the tank to "bingo".
Kelley is in Chicago until Monday and thus off line. When he returns, I'm
sure he will add and correct (encouraged) my posting.
I love having the longer range tanks for the peace of mind factor...and you
will as well.
Merry Christmas to all Yaksters
>From the frozen waste land,
Robert
N6343U
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaBear
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 10:43 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Fuel Level Senders
Who out there has the new bladder tanks in their CJ? What fuel senders are
you using? Are you having any problems with the foam causing incorrect
readings?
Bear
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| Subject: | Re: Yak 52 Radio |
Common problem. All of our "long-term" Balkan-5 radios have experienced this problem.
In each case, we sent the radio to US expert and had them repaired.
Mine failed in flight. Return to home base was interesting.
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