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1. 06:43 AM - Buy Apple Iphone 5S 32GB $600/Apple iPad 5 Air 4G 32GB$550 (wabbss)
2. 07:48 AM - Re: Yak 50 question (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
3. 12:22 PM - B&C alternator question (Elmar & Manuela)
4. 12:40 PM - Re: B&C alternator question (Jim)
5. 12:44 PM - Re: B&C alternator question (Gary Gabbard)
6. 12:52 PM - Re: B&C alternator question (doug sapp)
7. 01:27 PM - Re: B&C alternator question (Elmar & Manuela)
8. 01:43 PM - Re: B&C alternator question (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
9. 02:06 PM - Re: B&C alternator question (jblake207@comcast.net)
10. 06:32 PM - Re: B&C alternator question (Todd McCutchan)
11. 06:35 PM - Re: B&C alternator question (Elmar & Manuela)
12. 08:27 PM - Re: Re: B&C alternator question (Bill Geipel)
13. 08:36 PM - Re: Re: B&C alternator question (Patrick Ashura)
14. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: B&C alternator question (DaBear)
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| Subject: | Buy Apple Iphone 5S 32GB $600/Apple iPad 5 Air 4G 32GB$550 |
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The 50 is totally different. Access, gear locking mechanism, etc. All different.
There are some common concepts (emergency gear blow down, etc.)
The biggest problem in the 50 is disconnecting the actuators from the gear legs.
There is one bolt in particular that is almost impossible to get out. One
procedure calls for an attempt to come in via an access cutout to get at it.
I tried this, and it indeed can be done. But when it came to getting it back
IN again, I simply could not do it, and neither could two A&P's present. One
person on the list said it was "easy". I extend huge compliments to that gent.
As it turns out, you can spend a lot of time twisting and turning to pull get to
the almost impossible access points necessary, or you can just drop the piece
of fiberglass at the top of the gear, and pull the main gear attachment bolt
out. Then the whole mess (gear leg and actuator) can come out in one piece and
from there, it is a piece of cake.
So it's a choice.
Good luck.
Mark
----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Cavanagh
Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2014 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Yak 50 question
--> <mikecavanagh1@hotmail.com>
Don't know about the 50 but I imagine it must be very similar to the 52. I have
all three of mine out, one twice in the last 18 years. They are a bitch!! I
disconnected the the actuators from the gear legs and disconnected the upper
actuator attach bolts from the wing. On the 52 there is practically no access
and I did it all with fingers alone. The upper attach bolt is secured with a
castle nut and cotter pin. I was able to straighten the cotters with my fingers
and then used an angled needle nose to pull the cotter pins, The castle nuts
spun off by hand. You will have to do it all mostly by feel if it is anything
like the 52. Not Fun. Good luck and it will improve your dexterity with
magic tricks. Duck
Sent from my iPad
> On Feb 21, 2014, at 11:10 AM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
wrote:
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> --> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> There are a number of articles in the archives that discuss the topic of pulling
the gear retract cylinders. One of which I wrote. I've tried some of the
other procedures, but have had mixed results.
>
> If you want details, please contact me off-line at: markbitterlich@embarqmail.com
or at work at: mark.bitterlich@navy.mil and I will talk to you in person
about the pro's and con's.
>
> To sum it up in one sentence, it is in my opinion best to pull the whole landing
gear leg with cylinder attached, then it is to try to remove and replace the
cylinder leaving the gear leg bolted in.
>
> Second, be aware there is a SET SCREW in the spin on collars of this actuator.
It could be hidden by paint of grease, but it is there! Without loosening
this screw, you will ruin the actuator trying to take it apart.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Todd
> McCutchan
> Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 8:24 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Yak-List: Yak 50 question
>
> Couple of Yak 50 mx questions:
>
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>
> 1 - Does anyone know of the best way to get the gear retraction cylinders out
of the wings?
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> 2 - What is the preferred covering for the control surfaces?
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> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Todd McCutchan
>
> Fast Aircraft
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> Email: todd@fastaircraft.com
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| Subject: | B&C alternator question |
since quite some time I am looking into a
reliable and approved alternator conversion
for the CJ.
Over the years I have read many postings
on this forum regarding different alternators
and their manufacturers and it seems B&C is
winning the race.
I guess many Nanchang owners like myself have
removed all the obsolete original radio and navigation
equipment and hence there is no more need for high
amp output generation.
So which one would be the better respectively the more
dependable solution, the B&C SK35 (35amps) or the B&C
SK50 (50amps), any pros and cons?
Your opinion on this matter is greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | B&C alternator question |
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| Subject: | Re: B&C alternator question |
Hi Elmar, Gary CJ N22YK her in LAS. I have been running the B&C 35 amp for years,
and have not had any problems with it or never wanted for for more amps. Have
found it very sufficent. Gary
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 12:21, Elmar & Manuela <samira.h@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>
> since quite some time I am looking into a
> reliable and approved alternator conversion
> for the CJ.
>
> Over the years I have read many postings
> on this forum regarding different alternators
> and their manufacturers and it seems B&C is
> winning the race.
>
> I guess many Nanchang owners like myself have
> removed all the obsolete original radio and navigation
> equipment and hence there is no more need for high
> amp output generation.
>
> So which one would be the better respectively the more
> dependable solution, the B&C SK35 (35amps) or the B&C
> SK50 (50amps), any pros and cons?
>
> Your opinion on this matter is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> cheers
>
> Elmar
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: B&C alternator question |
Elmar,
The 35 amp would be plenty for your use in the CJ. However understand that
you will need a M14P generator oil seal plate to complete the installation.
If you attempt to use the plate which is stock to your HS6A and has no oil
seal, you will in a few hours destroy the new alternator due to drowning it
in oil.
I do not have the seal plates in stock at this time.
Best,
Doug
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Elmar & Manuela <samira.h@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> since quite some time I am looking into a
> reliable and approved alternator conversion
> for the CJ.
>
> Over the years I have read many postings
> on this forum regarding different alternators
> and their manufacturers and it seems B&C is
> winning the race.
>
> I guess many Nanchang owners like myself have
> removed all the obsolete original radio and navigation
> equipment and hence there is no more need for high
> amp output generation.
>
> So which one would be the better respectively the more
> dependable solution, the B&C SK35 (35amps) or the B&C
> SK50 (50amps), any pros and cons?
>
> Your opinion on this matter is greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> cheers
>
> Elmar
>
>
--
Best,
Doug
After all is said and done, more is said than done."
-- Aesop
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| Subject: | Re: B&C alternator question |
Gary, Doug and jilltd,
thank you very much for your postings.
I have bought the adapter plate and the
seal appr. 8 years ago from George Coy
and it must be somewhere in basement,
thanks for the kind reminder.
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | B&C alternator question |
I am a strong supporter of the B&C product line, and I agree with Doug that an
SK-35 ought to be just fine. I have helped numerous folks install them in their
Yaks and Sukhoi's over the years.
There are various ways to go about installing them, but I will post one very critical
piece of advice concerning their installation (besides the oil seal plate!).
This Alternator has a plug with two blade connectors for input to the FIELD winding
of the Alternator itself.
What comes with the kit is a plug, that has the two females that insert into the
blades on the alternator for the field. You have to install the plugs spade
connectors onto wire.
Both of these spade type connectors connect to the same point in the alternator
themselves.
A lot of people simply CRIMP the wire itself to these little connectors when they
are building the wiring harness for this installation. They also will make
a little LOOP out of a piece of wire, hooking both of these spades together,
so that they then only have to run ONE WIRE back to the LS1A regulator.
Be aware that lots of folks that have had problems with this alternator have traced
it back to a bad FIELD wire connection.
My personal advice is that you not only crimp, but then also SOLDER the connectors
on to the wires that will be connecting to the alternators FIELD winding.
Even though it is pure over-kill, I personally would also run TWO WIRES (one
for each spade connection) from the alternator back to the LS-1A regulator.
Also try to keep those wires from blowing around in the breeze when the engine
is running. If you do it right, you should never have a problem with the field
wiring. But the slide on spade connector does leave room for error if you
are not careful.
Mark
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From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 3:52 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: B&C alternator question
Elmar,
The 35 amp would be plenty for your use in the CJ. However understand that you
will need a M14P generator oil seal plate to complete the installation. If you
attempt to use the plate which is stock to your HS6A and has no oil seal, you
will in a few hours destroy the new alternator due to drowning it in oil.
I do not have the seal plates in stock at this time.
Best,
Doug
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Elmar & Manuela <samira.h@shaw.ca> wrote:
since quite some time I am looking into a
reliable and approved alternator conversion
for the CJ.
Over the years I have read many postings
on this forum regarding different alternators
and their manufacturers and it seems B&C is
winning the race.
I guess many Nanchang owners like myself have
removed all the obsolete original radio and navigation
equipment and hence there is no more need for high
amp output generation.
So which one would be the better respectively the more
dependable solution, the B&C SK35 (35amps) or the B&C
SK50 (50amps), any pros and cons?
Your opinion on this matter is greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | Re: B&C alternator question |
I went with the 50 amp B&C Alternator simply because I didn't want to wish
that I had more power later... That said, I don't think I ever use over abo
ut 25 amps even with all lights on and smoke oil pump running.=C2-
=C2-
You asked about the pros and cons...
Pro:=C2- It works. =C2- When my generator didn't and the cost of replac
ing the solid state voltage regulator on the generator system was just abou
t as expensive as the B&C Conversion.
Con: =C2- Cost.
=C2-
Put simply, I wouldn=99t convert to an alternator unless you old gene
rator system is giving you problems or you=99re in need of lots of po
wer.
Jon Blake
j blake207@comcast.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Elmar & Manuela" <samira.h@shaw.ca>
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 2:21:48 PM
Subject: Yak-List: B&C alternator question
since quite some time I am looking into a
reliable and approved alternator conversion
for the CJ.
Over the years I have read many postings
on this forum regarding different alternators
and their manufacturers and it seems B&C is
winning the race.
I guess many Nanchang owners like myself have
removed all the obsolete original radio and navigation
equipment and hence there is no more need for high
amp output generation.
So which one would be the better respectively the more
dependable solution, the B&C SK35 (35amps) or the B&C
SK50 (50amps), any pros and cons?
Your opinion on this matter is greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
cheers
Elmar
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| Subject: | B&C alternator question |
Interesting. I had assumed that by choosing the M-14P and voltage regulator
was all you needed to replace the original generator on the M-14P. I have a
Yak 50 it is going on.
What else do I need and where do I get it?
I have ordered the below already.
Alternator Controller/Regulator, 28v (Homebuilt)_1
LS-1A
Alternator for M14P, 35 Amps (Homebuilt)
SK35
Todd McCutchan
Fast Aircraft
T-34A & Yak-50
Cell - 260.402.1740
Email: <mailto:todd@fastaircraft.com> todd@fastaircraft.com
Skype: tmccutchan
Web: <http://www.fastaircraft.com/> www.fastaircraft.com &
<http://www.toddmccutchanairshows.com/> www.toddmccutchanairshows.com
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of doug sapp
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: B&C alternator question
Elmar,
The 35 amp would be plenty for your use in the CJ. However understand that
you will need a M14P generator oil seal plate to complete the installation.
If you attempt to use the plate which is stock to your HS6A and has no oil
seal, you will in a few hours destroy the new alternator due to drowning it
in oil.
I do not have the seal plates in stock at this time.
Best,
Doug
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 12:21 PM, Elmar & Manuela <samira.h@shaw.ca> wrote:
since quite some time I am looking into a
reliable and approved alternator conversion
for the CJ.
Over the years I have read many postings
on this forum regarding different alternators
and their manufacturers and it seems B&C is
winning the race.
I guess many Nanchang owners like myself have
removed all the obsolete original radio and navigation
equipment and hence there is no more need for high
amp output generation.
So which one would be the better respectively the more
dependable solution, the B&C SK35 (35amps) or the B&C
SK50 (50amps), any pros and cons?
Your opinion on this matter is greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
cheers
Elmar
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Doug
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| Subject: | Re: B&C alternator question |
Mark, Jon and others,
thank you for your input, all of you have a
very good point.
The only reasons I would go for an alternator
conversion are:
1. it is Made in America
2. parts and support readily available within North-America
3. the dedicated voltage regulator comes with an over-voltage
protection circuit (modern avionics can be very expensive)!!!
Now I have to double check with our authorities if there is any
veto from their side.
Thanks again and have a nice evening.
cheers
Elmar
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I was wondering about the problems they were having with the B&C. Are they fact
or fiction?
On Feb 25, 2014, at 6:27, Elmar & Manuela <samira.h@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Gary, Doug and jilltd,
>
> thank you very much for your postings.
>
> I have bought the adapter plate and the
> seal appr. 8 years ago from George Coy
> and it must be somewhere in basement,
> thanks for the kind reminder.
>
> cheers
>
> Elmar
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: B&C alternator question |
Bill- I have had no problems with the 50 amp B&C.
Sent from my iPhone
> On Feb 24, 2014, at 21:26, Bill Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I was wondering about the problems they were having with the B&C. Are they fact
or fiction?
>
>
>
>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 6:27, Elmar & Manuela <samira.h@shaw.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Gary, Doug and jilltd,
>>
>> thank you very much for your postings.
>>
>> I have bought the adapter plate and the
>> seal appr. 8 years ago from George Coy
>> and it must be somewhere in basement,
>> thanks for the kind reminder.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> Elmar
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: B&C alternator question |
I have had the B&C in my CJ for over 8 years. Once we fixed the connector
wiring issue (that Mark B. talked about), it has been trouble free.
Bear
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Geipel
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 11:27 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: B&C alternator question
I was wondering about the problems they were having with the B&C. Are they
fact or fiction?
On Feb 25, 2014, at 6:27, Elmar & Manuela <samira.h@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
> Gary, Doug and jilltd,
>
> thank you very much for your postings.
>
> I have bought the adapter plate and the seal appr. 8 years ago from
> George Coy and it must be somewhere in basement, thanks for the kind
> reminder.
>
> cheers
>
> Elmar
>
>
>
>
>
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