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1. 06:08 AM - Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May 2014 (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
2. 06:47 AM - Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May 2014 (James Goolsby)
3. 09:17 AM - Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May 2014 (Walter Lannon)
4. 09:38 AM - Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May 2014 (Mark Davis)
5. 11:09 AM - Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May 2014 (jblake207@comcast.net)
6. 11:29 AM - Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May 2014 (Michael B. Cavanagh)
7. 12:21 PM - Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May 2014 (PaulW)
8. 12:30 PM - Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May 2014 (Mark Davis)
9. 12:42 PM - Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May 2014 (jblake207@comcast.net)
10. 01:00 PM - Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May 2014 (Michael B. Cavanagh)
11. 04:25 PM - Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May 2014 (Walter Lannon)
12. 04:32 PM - Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May 2014 (Walter Lannon)
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| Subject: | Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May |
2014
Concur
________________________________
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
on behalf of Bill Geipel [l129bs@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May
2014
Getting instruction from an "Aerobatic" instructor will not get the gear down any
better
I would appreciate it if the FAA would not get involved in a non-event like a gear
up landing in a Yak. Not much damage not much of an issue.
Good luck fighting the government.
On May 21, 2014, at 13:41, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>
> To all the Yak listers:
>
>
> Mr Verhellen is at war with the airfield of Namur. That is obvious.
>
> He 'll do whatever he can to harm the airfield and the people that are
> based there.
>
> I try to stay out of his fight. It's none of my business but this time,
> and only this time, I have to react.
>
> @Etienne: KEEP YOUR PERSONAL STUFF OFF THE LIST! YOU ARE ABUSING THE LIST.
>
>
> Jan, Yak 50, F-AZUK, based ath the Namur airfield.
>
>
> PS: I will not respond on eventual replies from Etienne Verhellen
>
>
> On 20/05/14 22:38, "Etienne Verhellen" <janie@yak52.fr> wrote:
>
>>
>> Another Yak-52 'gear-up' landing accident in Belgium .... [Exclamation]
>> [Exclamation] [Exclamation]
>> =============================================
>>
>> Sunday 18 May 2014 - Namur airfield, EBNM.
>>
>> See attached photo taken just a few moments after the crash in EBNM.
>>
>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 822203.
>> http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52-34707
>> /Yak-52-for-sale-34707.200.1.jpg
>> http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52-34707
>> /
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14044351540/
>>
>> Previously UK CAA registered (G-YAKO) and maintained under the
>> supervision of the UK Civil Aviation Authorithy
>> according to the Directives from the aircraft manufacturer, the Yakovlev
>> Design Bureau (YDB) regarding Life items
>> (Airframe, Engine, Propeller, Air bottles, Actuators, hoses, ...)
>> http://www.yakuk.com/mpd.htm
>> https://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/20140318MPD2002009R3.pdf
>> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=de
>> tailnosummary&fullregmark=YAKO
>> http://www.caa.co.uk/applicationmodules/ginfo/ginfo_photo.aspx?regmark=G-Y
>> AKO&imgname=G-YAKO001&imgtype=jpg
>>
>> ... But then 'received' a Polish registration when it arrived in Belgium
>> ...
>> (Belgian CAA Inspectors and AAIU - the 'Belgian AAIB' - have ABSOLUTELY
>> NO CLUE about Yak-52) ...
>> RA-xxxxK, SP-YAM, F-WRUH, F-AZXK, LY-FOU, T7-xxx, ... etc etc
>>
>> At least 2 'gear up' accident for the 'pilot' of this Yak-52 :
>> This one and one on Saturday 4 September, 2010 ...
>>
>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 899409 (RA-1453K then Temporary French registration
>> F-WRUH)
>> has done at least 3 'gear-up' landings in Namur airfield EBNM, Belgium ...
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/62861611@N08/8951700885/
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14230563495/
>>
>> So ... at least (!!!!!) ... 5 Yak-52 'gear-up' accidents at Namur
>> airfield in Belgium (EBNM).
>>
>> Maybe more because they do not get reported when they happen at Namur
>> airfield [Rolling Eyes]
>>
>> NOT a single report to Belgian CAA (DGTA) and Air Accident Investigation
>> Unit (AAIU - Mr Luc Blendeman)
>> by the pilot or by the airfield 'commander' ...
>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/accidents/notification/
>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/accid01NF_tcm467-215518.pdf
>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/airw09%20NF_tcm467-215537.pdf
>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/aeroports/terrains/aerod
>> romes/
>>
>> How come Herbert Decouvreur is still in charge as 'Commandant
>> d'Arodrome' ??
>> Protected by some Safety Inspectors maybe ... (Mrs Genevive Laloux -
>> Hugo WUYTS ??)
>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/INS01NF_tcm467-215745.pdf
>> A lot of accidents at Namur airfield ... 19 October 2013 ... 11 people
>> KILLED. Something needs to be done.
>> Something MUST be done by the Belgian CAA before more people die.
>>
>> _____________________________________________________________
>>
>> A few years ago there was another VERY serious Yak-52 accident that could
>> have 'easily' killed 2 or 3 persons.
>> The Belgian AAIU was informed but NOT INTERESTED.
>> No accident report published although it was promissed ...
>> So NO LESSON learned. I am fed up with this attitude.
>> _____________________________________________________________
>>
>> [Arrow] Is there an issue with the maintenance of Yaks in Belgium
>> [Question] YES.
>>
>> [Arrow] [Arrow] Is there an issue with the training of Yak pilots in
>> Belgium [Question] [Exclamation] Quite clearly YES [Shocked]
>>
>> _____________________________________________
>>
>> [Idea] Maintain your Yaks properly.
>>
>> [Idea] Get type specific training from an experienced Yak-52 Aerobatic
>> FI (A) Flight Instructor.
>>
>> [Idea] [Idea] Put the gear down before landing.
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issues_orig
>> inal_363.pdf
>>
>> Cheers.
>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>> 52/
>>
>> --------
>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/240525/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>> 52/
>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/215762/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>> 52/
>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>> 52/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423517#423517
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Attachments:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__dimanc
>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_800x600_150.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__dimanc
>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_2_743.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/yak_52_training_airworthiness_and_regis
>> tration_issues_111.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May |
2014
A fact of life and aviation. NO ONE --- NO ONE, no matter their flying time or
license in their. pocket, is safe from NOT making a gear up landing. And it's
a fool who thinks any government can do any better.
Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun.
> On May 21, 2014, at 6:07, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
wrote:
>
>
> Concur
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
on behalf of Bill Geipel [l129bs@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 2:27 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May
2014
>
>
> Getting instruction from an "Aerobatic" instructor will not get the gear down
any better
> I would appreciate it if the FAA would not get involved in a non-event like a
gear up landing in a Yak. Not much damage not much of an issue.
> Good luck fighting the government.
>
>
>
>> On May 21, 2014, at 13:41, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>
>>
>> To all the Yak listers:
>>
>>
>> Mr Verhellen is at war with the airfield of Namur. That is obvious.
>>
>> He 'll do whatever he can to harm the airfield and the people that are
>> based there.
>>
>> I try to stay out of his fight. It's none of my business but this time,
>> and only this time, I have to react.
>>
>> @Etienne: KEEP YOUR PERSONAL STUFF OFF THE LIST! YOU ARE ABUSING THE LIST.
>>
>>
>> Jan, Yak 50, F-AZUK, based ath the Namur airfield.
>>
>>
>> PS: I will not respond on eventual replies from Etienne Verhellen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 20/05/14 22:38, "Etienne Verhellen" <janie@yak52.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Another Yak-52 'gear-up' landing accident in Belgium .... [Exclamation]
>>> [Exclamation] [Exclamation]
>>> =============================================
>>>
>>> Sunday 18 May 2014 - Namur airfield, EBNM.
>>>
>>> See attached photo taken just a few moments after the crash in EBNM.
>>>
>>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 822203.
>>> http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52-34707
>>> /Yak-52-for-sale-34707.200.1.jpg
>>> http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52-34707
>>> /
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14044351540/
>>>
>>> Previously UK CAA registered (G-YAKO) and maintained under the
>>> supervision of the UK Civil Aviation Authorithy
>>> according to the Directives from the aircraft manufacturer, the Yakovlev
>>> Design Bureau (YDB) regarding Life items
>>> (Airframe, Engine, Propeller, Air bottles, Actuators, hoses, ...)
>>> http://www.yakuk.com/mpd.htm
>>> https://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/20140318MPD2002009R3.pdf
>>> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=de
>>> tailnosummary&fullregmark=YAKO
>>> http://www.caa.co.uk/applicationmodules/ginfo/ginfo_photo.aspx?regmark=G-Y
>>> AKO&imgname=G-YAKO001&imgtype=jpg
>>>
>>> ... But then 'received' a Polish registration when it arrived in Belgium
>>> ...
>>> (Belgian CAA Inspectors and AAIU - the 'Belgian AAIB' - have ABSOLUTELY
>>> NO CLUE about Yak-52) ...
>>> RA-xxxxK, SP-YAM, F-WRUH, F-AZXK, LY-FOU, T7-xxx, ... etc etc
>>>
>>> At least 2 'gear up' accident for the 'pilot' of this Yak-52 :
>>> This one and one on Saturday 4 September, 2010 ...
>>>
>>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 899409 (RA-1453K then Temporary French registration
>>> F-WRUH)
>>> has done at least 3 'gear-up' landings in Namur airfield EBNM, Belgium ...
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/62861611@N08/8951700885/
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14230563495/
>>>
>>> So ... at least (!!!!!) ... 5 Yak-52 'gear-up' accidents at Namur
>>> airfield in Belgium (EBNM).
>>>
>>> Maybe more because they do not get reported when they happen at Namur
>>> airfield [Rolling Eyes]
>>>
>>> NOT a single report to Belgian CAA (DGTA) and Air Accident Investigation
>>> Unit (AAIU - Mr Luc Blendeman)
>>> by the pilot or by the airfield 'commander' ...
>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/accidents/notification/
>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/accid01NF_tcm467-215518.pdf
>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/airw09%20NF_tcm467-215537.pdf
>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/aeroports/terrains/aerod
>>> romes/
>>>
>>> How come Herbert Decouvreur is still in charge as 'Commandant
>>> d'Arodrome' ??
>>> Protected by some Safety Inspectors maybe ... (Mrs Genevive Laloux -
>>> Hugo WUYTS ??)
>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/INS01NF_tcm467-215745.pdf
>>> A lot of accidents at Namur airfield ... 19 October 2013 ... 11 people
>>> KILLED. Something needs to be done.
>>> Something MUST be done by the Belgian CAA before more people die.
>>>
>>> _____________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> A few years ago there was another VERY serious Yak-52 accident that could
>>> have 'easily' killed 2 or 3 persons.
>>> The Belgian AAIU was informed but NOT INTERESTED.
>>> No accident report published although it was promissed ...
>>> So NO LESSON learned. I am fed up with this attitude.
>>> _____________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> [Arrow] Is there an issue with the maintenance of Yaks in Belgium
>>> [Question] YES.
>>>
>>> [Arrow] [Arrow] Is there an issue with the training of Yak pilots in
>>> Belgium [Question] [Exclamation] Quite clearly YES [Shocked]
>>>
>>> _____________________________________________
>>>
>>> [Idea] Maintain your Yaks properly.
>>>
>>> [Idea] Get type specific training from an experienced Yak-52 Aerobatic
>>> FI (A) Flight Instructor.
>>>
>>> [Idea] [Idea] Put the gear down before landing.
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issues_orig
>>> inal_363.pdf
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>> 52/
>>>
>>> --------
>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/240525/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>> 52/
>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/215762/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>> 52/
>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>> 52/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423517#423517
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Attachments:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__dimanc
>>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_800x600_150.jpg
>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__dimanc
>>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_2_743.jpg
>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/yak_52_training_airworthiness_and_regis
>>> tration_issues_111.pdf
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May |
2014
Jim;
Does that mean that everybody will do a gear up landing?
Walt
-----Original Message-----
From: James Goolsby
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:46 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18
May 2014
A fact of life and aviation. NO ONE --- NO ONE, no matter their flying time
or license in their. pocket, is safe from NOT making a gear up landing. And
it's a fool who thinks any government can do any better.
Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun.
> On May 21, 2014, at 6:07, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD"
> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
>
> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Concur
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] on behalf of Bill Geipel
> [l129bs@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 2:27 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18
> May 2014
>
>
> Getting instruction from an "Aerobatic" instructor will not get the gear
> down any better
> I would appreciate it if the FAA would not get involved in a non-event
> like a gear up landing in a Yak. Not much damage not much of an issue.
> Good luck fighting the government.
>
>
>> On May 21, 2014, at 13:41, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>
>>
>> To all the Yak listers:
>>
>>
>> Mr Verhellen is at war with the airfield of Namur. That is obvious.
>>
>> He 'll do whatever he can to harm the airfield and the people that are
>> based there.
>>
>> I try to stay out of his fight. It's none of my business but this time,
>> and only this time, I have to react.
>>
>> @Etienne: KEEP YOUR PERSONAL STUFF OFF THE LIST! YOU ARE ABUSING THE
>> LIST.
>>
>>
>> Jan, Yak 50, F-AZUK, based ath the Namur airfield.
>>
>>
>> PS: I will not respond on eventual replies from Etienne Verhellen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 20/05/14 22:38, "Etienne Verhellen" <janie@yak52.fr> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Another Yak-52 'gear-up' landing accident in Belgium .... [Exclamation]
>>> [Exclamation] [Exclamation]
>>> =============================================
>>>
>>> Sunday 18 May 2014 - Namur airfield, EBNM.
>>>
>>> See attached photo taken just a few moments after the crash in EBNM.
>>>
>>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 822203.
>>> http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52-34707
>>> /Yak-52-for-sale-34707.200.1.jpg
>>> http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52-34707
>>> /
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14044351540/
>>>
>>> Previously UK CAA registered (G-YAKO) and maintained under the
>>> supervision of the UK Civil Aviation Authorithy
>>> according to the Directives from the aircraft manufacturer, the Yakovlev
>>> Design Bureau (YDB) regarding Life items
>>> (Airframe, Engine, Propeller, Air bottles, Actuators, hoses, ...)
>>> http://www.yakuk.com/mpd.htm
>>> https://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/20140318MPD2002009R3.pdf
>>> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=de
>>> tailnosummary&fullregmark=YAKO
>>> http://www.caa.co.uk/applicationmodules/ginfo/ginfo_photo.aspx?regmark=G-Y
>>> AKO&imgname=G-YAKO001&imgtype=jpg
>>>
>>> ... But then 'received' a Polish registration when it arrived in Belgium
>>> ...
>>> (Belgian CAA Inspectors and AAIU - the 'Belgian AAIB' - have ABSOLUTELY
>>> NO CLUE about Yak-52) ...
>>> RA-xxxxK, SP-YAM, F-WRUH, F-AZXK, LY-FOU, T7-xxx, ... etc etc
>>>
>>> At least 2 'gear up' accident for the 'pilot' of this Yak-52 :
>>> This one and one on Saturday 4 September, 2010 ...
>>>
>>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 899409 (RA-1453K then Temporary French
>>> registration
>>> F-WRUH)
>>> has done at least 3 'gear-up' landings in Namur airfield EBNM, Belgium
>>> ...
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/62861611@N08/8951700885/
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14230563495/
>>>
>>> So ... at least (!!!!!) ... 5 Yak-52 'gear-up' accidents at Namur
>>> airfield in Belgium (EBNM).
>>>
>>> Maybe more because they do not get reported when they happen at Namur
>>> airfield [Rolling Eyes]
>>>
>>> NOT a single report to Belgian CAA (DGTA) and Air Accident Investigation
>>> Unit (AAIU - Mr Luc Blendeman)
>>> by the pilot or by the airfield 'commander' ...
>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/accidents/notification/
>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/accid01NF_tcm467-215518.pdf
>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/airw09%20NF_tcm467-215537.pdf
>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/aeroports/terrains/aerod
>>> romes/
>>>
>>> How come Herbert Decouvreur is still in charge as 'Commandant
>>> d'Arodrome' ??
>>> Protected by some Safety Inspectors maybe ... (Mrs Genevive Laloux -
>>> Hugo WUYTS ??)
>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/INS01NF_tcm467-215745.pdf
>>> A lot of accidents at Namur airfield ... 19 October 2013 ... 11 people
>>> KILLED. Something needs to be done.
>>> Something MUST be done by the Belgian CAA before more people die.
>>>
>>> _____________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> A few years ago there was another VERY serious Yak-52 accident that
>>> could
>>> have 'easily' killed 2 or 3 persons.
>>> The Belgian AAIU was informed but NOT INTERESTED.
>>> No accident report published although it was promissed ...
>>> So NO LESSON learned. I am fed up with this attitude.
>>> _____________________________________________________________
>>>
>>> [Arrow] Is there an issue with the maintenance of Yaks in Belgium
>>> [Question] YES.
>>>
>>> [Arrow] [Arrow] Is there an issue with the training of Yak pilots in
>>> Belgium [Question] [Exclamation] Quite clearly YES [Shocked]
>>>
>>> _____________________________________________
>>>
>>> [Idea] Maintain your Yaks properly.
>>>
>>> [Idea] Get type specific training from an experienced Yak-52 Aerobatic
>>> FI (A) Flight Instructor.
>>>
>>> [Idea] [Idea] Put the gear down before landing.
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issues_orig
>>> inal_363.pdf
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>> 52/
>>>
>>> --------
>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/240525/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>> 52/
>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/215762/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>> 52/
>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>> 52/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423517#423517
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Attachments:
>>>
>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__dimanc
>>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_800x600_150.jpg
>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__dimanc
>>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_2_743.jpg
>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/yak_52_training_airworthiness_and_regis
>>> tration_issues_111.pdf
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| Subject: | Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May |
2014
Walt,
I'm a believer in the "those who have and those who will" on gear up
landings. I normally add "and those who will again". Checklists are great,
but distractions have a way of rearing their head on even the most
professional and astute pilots. There's a good reason every Naval Air
Station in the Training Command has a Runway Duty Officer monitoring all
landings. I personally do a landing checklist over the intercom even if I'm
solo on every landing. It's a break in the normal routine that bites most.
So far, I'm in the "those who will" category!
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@shaw.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18
May 2014
>
> Jim;
>
> Does that mean that everybody will do a gear up landing?
>
> Walt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Goolsby
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:46 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18
> May 2014
>
>
> A fact of life and aviation. NO ONE --- NO ONE, no matter their flying
> time or license in their. pocket, is safe from NOT making a gear up
> landing. And it's a fool who thinks any government can do any better.
>
> Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun.
>
>> On May 21, 2014, at 6:07, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD"
>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
>>
>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> Concur
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] on behalf of Bill Geipel
>> [l129bs@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 2:27 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ...
>> 18 May 2014
>>
>>
>> Getting instruction from an "Aerobatic" instructor will not get the gear
>> down any better
>> I would appreciate it if the FAA would not get involved in a non-event
>> like a gear up landing in a Yak. Not much damage not much of an issue.
>> Good luck fighting the government.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 21, 2014, at 13:41, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> To all the Yak listers:
>>>
>>>
>>> Mr Verhellen is at war with the airfield of Namur. That is obvious.
>>>
>>> He 'll do whatever he can to harm the airfield and the people that are
>>> based there.
>>>
>>> I try to stay out of his fight. It's none of my business but this time,
>>> and only this time, I have to react.
>>>
>>> @Etienne: KEEP YOUR PERSONAL STUFF OFF THE LIST! YOU ARE ABUSING THE
>>> LIST.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jan, Yak 50, F-AZUK, based ath the Namur airfield.
>>>
>>>
>>> PS: I will not respond on eventual replies from Etienne Verhellen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 20/05/14 22:38, "Etienne Verhellen" <janie@yak52.fr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another Yak-52 'gear-up' landing accident in Belgium ....
>>>> [Exclamation]
>>>> [Exclamation] [Exclamation]
>>>> =============================================
>>>>
>>>> Sunday 18 May 2014 - Namur airfield, EBNM.
>>>>
>>>> See attached photo taken just a few moments after the crash in EBNM.
>>>>
>>>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 822203.
>>>> http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52-34707
>>>> /Yak-52-for-sale-34707.200.1.jpg
>>>> http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52-34707
>>>> /
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14044351540/
>>>>
>>>> Previously UK CAA registered (G-YAKO) and maintained under the
>>>> supervision of the UK Civil Aviation Authorithy
>>>> according to the Directives from the aircraft manufacturer, the
>>>> Yakovlev
>>>> Design Bureau (YDB) regarding Life items
>>>> (Airframe, Engine, Propeller, Air bottles, Actuators, hoses, ...)
>>>> http://www.yakuk.com/mpd.htm
>>>> https://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/20140318MPD2002009R3.pdf
>>>> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=de
>>>> tailnosummary&fullregmark=YAKO
>>>> http://www.caa.co.uk/applicationmodules/ginfo/ginfo_photo.aspx?regmark=G-Y
>>>> AKO&imgname=G-YAKO001&imgtype=jpg
>>>>
>>>> ... But then 'received' a Polish registration when it arrived in
>>>> Belgium
>>>> ...
>>>> (Belgian CAA Inspectors and AAIU - the 'Belgian AAIB' - have
>>>> ABSOLUTELY
>>>> NO CLUE about Yak-52) ...
>>>> RA-xxxxK, SP-YAM, F-WRUH, F-AZXK, LY-FOU, T7-xxx, ... etc etc
>>>>
>>>> At least 2 'gear up' accident for the 'pilot' of this Yak-52 :
>>>> This one and one on Saturday 4 September, 2010 ...
>>>>
>>>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 899409 (RA-1453K then Temporary French
>>>> registration
>>>> F-WRUH)
>>>> has done at least 3 'gear-up' landings in Namur airfield EBNM, Belgium
>>>> ...
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/62861611@N08/8951700885/
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14230563495/
>>>>
>>>> So ... at least (!!!!!) ... 5 Yak-52 'gear-up' accidents at Namur
>>>> airfield in Belgium (EBNM).
>>>>
>>>> Maybe more because they do not get reported when they happen at Namur
>>>> airfield [Rolling Eyes]
>>>>
>>>> NOT a single report to Belgian CAA (DGTA) and Air Accident
>>>> Investigation
>>>> Unit (AAIU - Mr Luc Blendeman)
>>>> by the pilot or by the airfield 'commander' ...
>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/accidents/notification/
>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/accid01NF_tcm467-215518.pdf
>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/airw09%20NF_tcm467-215537.pdf
>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/aeroports/terrains/aerod
>>>> romes/
>>>>
>>>> How come Herbert Decouvreur is still in charge as 'Commandant
>>>> d'Arodrome' ??
>>>> Protected by some Safety Inspectors maybe ... (Mrs Genevive Laloux -
>>>> Hugo WUYTS ??)
>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/INS01NF_tcm467-215745.pdf
>>>> A lot of accidents at Namur airfield ... 19 October 2013 ... 11 people
>>>> KILLED. Something needs to be done.
>>>> Something MUST be done by the Belgian CAA before more people die.
>>>>
>>>> _____________________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> A few years ago there was another VERY serious Yak-52 accident that
>>>> could
>>>> have 'easily' killed 2 or 3 persons.
>>>> The Belgian AAIU was informed but NOT INTERESTED.
>>>> No accident report published although it was promissed ...
>>>> So NO LESSON learned. I am fed up with this attitude.
>>>> _____________________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> [Arrow] Is there an issue with the maintenance of Yaks in Belgium
>>>> [Question] YES.
>>>>
>>>> [Arrow] [Arrow] Is there an issue with the training of Yak pilots in
>>>> Belgium [Question] [Exclamation] Quite clearly YES [Shocked]
>>>>
>>>> _____________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> [Idea] Maintain your Yaks properly.
>>>>
>>>> [Idea] Get type specific training from an experienced Yak-52 Aerobatic
>>>> FI (A) Flight Instructor.
>>>>
>>>> [Idea] [Idea] Put the gear down before landing.
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issues_orig
>>>> inal_363.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Cheers.
>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>>> 52/
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/240525/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>>> 52/
>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/215762/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>>> 52/
>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>>> 52/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423517#423517
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Attachments:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__dimanc
>>>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_800x600_150.jpg
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__dimanc
>>>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_2_743.jpg
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/yak_52_training_airworthiness_and_regis
>>>> tration_issues_111.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May |
2014
I agree with Mark.=C2- I belong to both groups... those who have and thos
e who will...again.=C2- Because of that sickening feeling of hearing the
belly scraping along the runway, I now check my gear a min of 3 times orall
y, over the intercom and I even brief my GIB to remind me or ask me about t
he landing gear. Even with all this I remain in both groups. Saber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 11:37:38 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18
=C2-May 2014
Walt,
=C2-=C2- =C2- I'm a believer in the "those who have and those who wil
l" on gear up
landings. =C2-I normally add "and those who will again". =C2-Checklists
are great,
but distractions have a way of rearing their head on even the most
professional and astute pilots. =C2-There's a good reason every Naval Air
Station in the Training Command has a Runway Duty Officer monitoring all
landings. =C2-I personally do a landing checklist over the intercom even
if I'm
solo on every landing. =C2-It's a break in the normal routine that bites
most.
So far, I'm in the "those who will" category!
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@shaw.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18
May 2014
>
> Jim;
>
> Does that mean that everybody will do a gear up landing?
>
> Walt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Goolsby
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:46 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 1
8
> May 2014
>
>
> A fact of life and aviation. =C2-NO ONE --- NO ONE, no matter their fly
ing
> time or license in their. pocket, is safe from NOT making a gear up
> landing. =C2-And it's a fool who thinks any government can do any bette
r.
>
> Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun.
>
>> On May 21, 2014, at 6:07, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD"
>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
>>
>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> Concur
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] on behalf of Bill Geipel
>> [l129bs@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 2:27 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ...
>> 18 May 2014
>>
>>
>> Getting instruction from an "Aerobatic" instructor will not get the gear
>> down any better
>> I would appreciate it if the FAA would not get involved in a non-event
>> like a gear up landing in a Yak. Not much damage not much of an issue.
>> Good luck fighting the government.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 21, 2014, at 13:41, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> To all the Yak listers:
>>>
>>>
>>> Mr Verhellen is at war with the airfield of Namur. That is obvious.
>>>
>>> He 'll do whatever he can to harm the airfield and the people that are
>>> based there.
>>>
>>> I try to stay out of his fight. It's none of my business but this time,
>>> and only this time, I have to react.
>>>
>>> @Etienne: KEEP YOUR PERSONAL STUFF OFF THE LIST! YOU ARE ABUSING THE
>>> LIST.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jan, Yak 50, F-AZUK, based ath the Namur airfield.
>>>
>>>
>>> PS: I will not respond on eventual replies from Etienne Verhellen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 20/05/14 22:38, "Etienne Verhellen" <janie@yak52.fr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another Yak-52 'gear-up' landing accident in Belgium ....
>>>> [Exclamation]
>>>> [Exclamation] =C2-[Exclamation]
>>>> =======================
=======================
>>>>
>>>> Sunday 18 May 2014 - Namur airfield, EBNM.
>>>>
>>>> See attached photo taken just a few moments after the crash in EBNM.
>>>>
>>>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 822203.
>>>> http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52-3
4707
>>>> /Yak-52-for-sale-34707.200.1.jpg
>>>> http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52-3
4707
>>>> /
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14044351540/
>>>>
>>>> Previously UK CAA registered (G-YAKO) and maintained under the
>>>> supervision of the UK Civil Aviation Authorithy
>>>> according to the Directives from the aircraft manufacturer, the
>>>> Yakovlev
>>>> Design Bureau (YDB) regarding Life items
>>>> (Airframe, Engine, Propeller, Air bottles, Actuators, hoses, ...)
>>>> http://www.yakuk.com/mpd.htm
>>>> https://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/20140318MPD2002009R3.pdf
>>>> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid
=1&mode=de
>>>> tailnosummary&fullregmark=YAKO
>>>> http://www.caa.co.uk/applicationmodules/ginfo/ginfo_photo.aspx?regmark
=G-Y
>>>> AKO&imgname=G-YAKO001&imgtype=jpg
>>>>
>>>> ... But then 'received' a Polish registration when it arrived in
>>>> Belgium
>>>> ...
>>>> (Belgian CAA Inspectors and AAIU - the 'Belgian AAIB' =C2-- have
>>>> ABSOLUTELY
>>>> NO CLUE about Yak-52) ...
>>>> RA-xxxxK, SP-YAM, F-WRUH, F-AZXK, LY-FOU, T7-xxx, ... etc etc
>>>>
>>>> At least 2 'gear up' accident for the 'pilot' of this Yak-52 :
>>>> This one and one on Saturday 4 September, 2010 ...
>>>>
>>>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 899409 (RA-1453K then Temporary French
>>>> registration
>>>> F-WRUH)
>>>> has done at least 3 'gear-up' landings in Namur airfield EBNM, Belgium
>>>> ...
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/62861611@N08/8951700885/
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14230563495/
>>>>
>>>> So ... at least (!!!!!) ... 5 Yak-52 'gear-up' accidents at Namur
>>>> airfield in Belgium (EBNM).
>>>>
>>>> Maybe more because they do not get reported when they happen at Namur
>>>> airfield =C2- =C2-[Rolling Eyes]
>>>>
>>>> NOT a single report to Belgian CAA (DGTA) and Air Accident
>>>> Investigation
>>>> Unit (AAIU - Mr Luc Blendeman)
>>>> by the pilot or by the airfield 'commander' ...
>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/accidents/notificati
on/
>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/accid01NF_tcm467-215518.pdf
>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/airw09%20NF_tcm467-215537.pd
f
>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/aeroports/terrains/a
erod
>>>> romes/
>>>>
>>>> How come Herbert Decouvreur is still in charge as 'Commandant
>>>> d'A=C3=A9rodrome' ??
>>>> Protected by some Safety Inspectors maybe ... (Mrs Genevi=C3=A8ve Lalo
ux -
>>>> Hugo WUYTS ??)
>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/INS01NF_tcm467-215745.pdf
>>>> A lot of accidents at Namur airfield ... 19 October 2013 ... 11 people
>>>> KILLED. Something needs to be done.
>>>> Something MUST be done by the Belgian CAA before more people die.
>>>>
>>>> _____________________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> A few years ago there was another VERY serious Yak-52 accident that
>>>> could
>>>> have 'easily' killed 2 or 3 persons.
>>>> The Belgian AAIU was informed but NOT INTERESTED.
>>>> No accident report published although it was promissed ...
>>>> So NO LESSON learned. I am fed up with this attitude.
>>>> _____________________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> [Arrow] Is there an issue with the maintenance of Yaks in Belgium
>>>> [Question] YES.
>>>>
>>>> [Arrow] =C2-[Arrow] Is there an issue with the training of Yak pilot
s in
>>>> Belgium =C2- [Question] =C2-[Exclamation] Quite clearly YES =C2-
[Shocked]
>>>>
>>>> _____________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> [Idea] Maintain your Yaks properly.
>>>>
>>>> [Idea] Get type specific training from an experienced Yak-52 Aerobatic
>>>> FI (A) Flight Instructor.
>>>>
>>>> [Idea] =C2-[Idea] Put the gear down before landing.
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issues_
orig
>>>> inal_363.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Cheers.
>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-
yak-
>>>> 52/
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/240525/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-
yak-
>>>> 52/
>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/215762/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-
yak-
>>>> 52/
>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-
yak-
>>>> 52/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423517#423517
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Attachments:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__di
manc
>>>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_800x600_150.jpg
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__di
manc
>>>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_2_743.jpg
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/yak_52_training_airworthiness_and_r
egis
>>>> tration_issues_111.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May |
2014
Mark is right. Breaking the normal routine or being distracted can bite us. Another
twist is that during times of distraction or multi-tasking you may inadvertently
operate a an identical looking or feeling control not even realizing
you've done it. This is slightly off the subject of forgetting the gear, but
may prevent someone from inadvertently raising the gear on the ground. Although
in different cockpit locations, the operation and appearance of the flap and
gear controls on the YAK 52 is similar enough that I have modified mine so
that the gear handle has a black wheel painted to look like a wheel, and my
flap control has a blue airfoil like a flap as the handle. Visually they look
completely different and tactilely they feel different. I don't want my brain
to subconsciously link the two. You'd think it can't happen, but it can. Your
brain can be a dangerous thing. I used hard wood to shape the new control knobs,
drilled them and mounted them just like the originals. Before gear and
flap controls were redesigned to look like wheels and flaps a number of airliners
suffered gear retractions when a flight crew member raised the gear thinking
they were retracting the flaps. I once extended the Flaps on my YAK while
thinking GEAR. I was distracted but luckily got it sorted out when I reached
down to extend the FLAPS and found them already extended. Brain Fart! I realized
the two controls being nearly identical could cause big problems for me and
decided then to make the changes. Brain Farts are gonna happen, and as I get
older more often, so we try hard to control them with good training, SOPs, good
design, and checklists. Modifying the two knobs is an easy thing to do and
it may protect you from a publicly demonstrated brain fart. Good Luck. Blue
side up. DUCK
On May 21, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>
> Walt,
> I'm a believer in the "those who have and those who will" on gear up landings.
I normally add "and those who will again". Checklists are great, but distractions
have a way of rearing their head on even the most professional and
astute pilots. There's a good reason every Naval Air Station in the Training
Command has a Runway Duty Officer monitoring all landings. I personally do a
landing checklist over the intercom even if I'm solo on every landing. It's a
break in the normal routine that bites most. So far, I'm in the "those who will"
category!
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@shaw.ca>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:16 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May
2014
>
>
>>
>> Jim;
>>
>> Does that mean that everybody will do a gear up landing?
>>
>> Walt
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: James Goolsby
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:46 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May
2014
>>
>>
>> A fact of life and aviation. NO ONE --- NO ONE, no matter their flying time
or license in their. pocket, is safe from NOT making a gear up landing. And
it's a fool who thinks any government can do any better.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun.
>>
>>> On May 21, 2014, at 6:07, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Concur
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com]
on behalf of Bill Geipel [l129bs@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 2:27 AM
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18
May 2014
>>>
>>>
>>> Getting instruction from an "Aerobatic" instructor will not get the gear down
any better
>>> I would appreciate it if the FAA would not get involved in a non-event like
a gear up landing in a Yak. Not much damage not much of an issue.
>>> Good luck fighting the government.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 21, 2014, at 13:41, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To all the Yak listers:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mr Verhellen is at war with the airfield of Namur. That is obvious.
>>>>
>>>> He 'll do whatever he can to harm the airfield and the people that are
>>>> based there.
>>>>
>>>> I try to stay out of his fight. It's none of my business but this time,
>>>> and only this time, I have to react.
>>>>
>>>> @Etienne: KEEP YOUR PERSONAL STUFF OFF THE LIST! YOU ARE ABUSING THE LIST.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jan, Yak 50, F-AZUK, based ath the Namur airfield.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PS: I will not respond on eventual replies from Etienne Verhellen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 20/05/14 22:38, "Etienne Verhellen" <janie@yak52.fr> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Another Yak-52 'gear-up' landing accident in Belgium .... [Exclamation]
>>>>> [Exclamation] [Exclamation]
>>>>> =============================================
>>>>>
>>>>> Sunday 18 May 2014 - Namur airfield, EBNM.
>>>>>
>>>>> See attached photo taken just a few moments after the crash in EBNM.
>>>>>
>>>>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 822203.
>>>>> http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52-34707
>>>>> /Yak-52-for-sale-34707.200.1.jpg
>>>>> http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52-34707
>>>>> /
>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14044351540/
>>>>>
>>>>> Previously UK CAA registered (G-YAKO) and maintained under the
>>>>> supervision of the UK Civil Aviation Authorithy
>>>>> according to the Directives from the aircraft manufacturer, the Yakovlev
>>>>> Design Bureau (YDB) regarding Life items
>>>>> (Airframe, Engine, Propeller, Air bottles, Actuators, hoses, ...)
>>>>> http://www.yakuk.com/mpd.htm
>>>>> https://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/20140318MPD2002009R3.pdf
>>>>> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=de
>>>>> tailnosummary&fullregmark=YAKO
>>>>> http://www.caa.co.uk/applicationmodules/ginfo/ginfo_photo.aspx?regmark=G-Y
>>>>> AKO&imgname=G-YAKO001&imgtype=jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> ... But then 'received' a Polish registration when it arrived in Belgium
>>>>> ...
>>>>> (Belgian CAA Inspectors and AAIU - the 'Belgian AAIB' - have ABSOLUTELY
>>>>> NO CLUE about Yak-52) ...
>>>>> RA-xxxxK, SP-YAM, F-WRUH, F-AZXK, LY-FOU, T7-xxx, ... etc etc
>>>>>
>>>>> At least 2 'gear up' accident for the 'pilot' of this Yak-52 :
>>>>> This one and one on Saturday 4 September, 2010 ...
>>>>>
>>>>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 899409 (RA-1453K then Temporary French registration
>>>>> F-WRUH)
>>>>> has done at least 3 'gear-up' landings in Namur airfield EBNM, Belgium ...
>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/62861611@N08/8951700885/
>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14230563495/
>>>>>
>>>>> So ... at least (!!!!!) ... 5 Yak-52 'gear-up' accidents at Namur
>>>>> airfield in Belgium (EBNM).
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe more because they do not get reported when they happen at Namur
>>>>> airfield [Rolling Eyes]
>>>>>
>>>>> NOT a single report to Belgian CAA (DGTA) and Air Accident Investigation
>>>>> Unit (AAIU - Mr Luc Blendeman)
>>>>> by the pilot or by the airfield 'commander' ...
>>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/accidents/notification/
>>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/accid01NF_tcm467-215518.pdf
>>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/airw09%20NF_tcm467-215537.pdf
>>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/aeroports/terrains/aerod
>>>>> romes/
>>>>>
>>>>> How come Herbert Decouvreur is still in charge as 'Commandant
>>>>> d'Arodrome' ??
>>>>> Protected by some Safety Inspectors maybe ... (Mrs Genevive Laloux -
>>>>> Hugo WUYTS ??)
>>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/INS01NF_tcm467-215745.pdf
>>>>> A lot of accidents at Namur airfield ... 19 October 2013 ... 11 people
>>>>> KILLED. Something needs to be done.
>>>>> Something MUST be done by the Belgian CAA before more people die.
>>>>>
>>>>> _____________________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> A few years ago there was another VERY serious Yak-52 accident that could
>>>>> have 'easily' killed 2 or 3 persons.
>>>>> The Belgian AAIU was informed but NOT INTERESTED.
>>>>> No accident report published although it was promissed ...
>>>>> So NO LESSON learned. I am fed up with this attitude.
>>>>> _____________________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> [Arrow] Is there an issue with the maintenance of Yaks in Belgium
>>>>> [Question] YES.
>>>>>
>>>>> [Arrow] [Arrow] Is there an issue with the training of Yak pilots in
>>>>> Belgium [Question] [Exclamation] Quite clearly YES [Shocked]
>>>>>
>>>>> _____________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> [Idea] Maintain your Yaks properly.
>>>>>
>>>>> [Idea] Get type specific training from an experienced Yak-52 Aerobatic
>>>>> FI (A) Flight Instructor.
>>>>>
>>>>> [Idea] [Idea] Put the gear down before landing.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issues_orig
>>>>> inal_363.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>>>> 52/
>>>>>
>>>>> --------
>>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/240525/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>>>> 52/
>>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/215762/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>>>> 52/
>>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>>>> 52/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423517#423517
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Attachments:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__dimanc
>>>>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_800x600_150.jpg
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__dimanc
>>>>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_2_743.jpg
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/yak_52_training_airworthiness_and_regis
>>>>> tration_issues_111.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May |
2014
Etienne Verhellen wrote:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issues_original_363.pdf
>
Can you maybe tell us more about these accidents or links to information?
"The Yakovlev Yak-52 accident
in the UK mentioned in Ian
Parkers letter
(Flight
International,
10-16 May) hap-
pened just a few days after
another one in France on 24
April. The French BEA and the
UK Air Accidents Investigation
Branch have started their in-
vestigations."
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423553#423553
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| Subject: | Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May |
2014
Duck,
Machine up a batch and they'll sell like hotcakes. ....at least to me!
Every Navy airplane I flew had a gear handle that looked like a wheel, a
flap handle that looked like an airfoil and a tailhook handle that looked
like a tailhook or was clearly marked as such. I never will understand why
the Soviets designed the two with the same look and feel.
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael B. Cavanagh" <mikecavanagh1@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18
May 2014
> <mikecavanagh1@hotmail.com>
>
> Mark is right. Breaking the normal routine or being distracted can bite
> us. Another twist is that during times of distraction or multi-tasking
> you may inadvertently operate a an identical looking or feeling control
> not even realizing you've done it. This is slightly off the subject of
> forgetting the gear, but may prevent someone from inadvertently raising
> the gear on the ground. Although in different cockpit locations, the
> operation and appearance of the flap and gear controls on the YAK 52 is
> similar enough that I have modified mine so that the gear handle has a
> black wheel painted to look like a wheel, and my flap control has a blue
> airfoil like a flap as the handle. Visually they look completely
> different and tactilely they feel different. I don't want my brain to
> subconsciously link the two. You'd think it can't happen, but it can. Your
> brain can be a dangerous thing. I used hard wood to shape the new control
> knobs, drilled them and mounted them just like the or!
> iginals. Before gear and flap controls were redesigned to look like
> wheels and flaps a number of airliners suffered gear retractions when a
> flight crew member raised the gear thinking they were retracting the
> flaps. I once extended the Flaps on my YAK while thinking GEAR. I was
> distracted but luckily got it sorted out when I reached down to extend the
> FLAPS and found them already extended. Brain Fart! I realized the two
> controls being nearly identical could cause big problems for me and
> decided then to make the changes. Brain Farts are gonna happen, and as I
> get older more often, so we try hard to control them with good training,
> SOPs, good design, and checklists. Modifying the two knobs is an easy
> thing to do and it may protect you from a publicly demonstrated brain
> fart. Good Luck. Blue side up. DUCK
> On May 21, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Walt,
>> I'm a believer in the "those who have and those who will" on gear up
>> landings. I normally add "and those who will again". Checklists are
>> great, but distractions have a way of rearing their head on even the most
>> professional and astute pilots. There's a good reason every Naval Air
>> Station in the Training Command has a Runway Duty Officer monitoring all
>> landings. I personally do a landing checklist over the intercom even if
>> I'm solo on every landing. It's a break in the normal routine that bites
>> most. So far, I'm in the "those who will" category!
>>
>> Mark Davis
>> N44YK
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@shaw.ca>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ...
>> 18 May 2014
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Jim;
>>>
>>> Does that mean that everybody will do a gear up landing?
>>>
>>> Walt
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: James Goolsby
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:46 AM
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ...
>>> 18 May 2014
>>>
>>>
>>> A fact of life and aviation. NO ONE --- NO ONE, no matter their flying
>>> time or license in their. pocket, is safe from NOT making a gear up
>>> landing. And it's a fool who thinks any government can do any better.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun.
>>>
>>>> On May 21, 2014, at 6:07, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD"
>>>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>>
>>>> Concur
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] on behalf of Bill Geipel
>>>> [l129bs@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 2:27 AM
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ...
>>>> 18 May 2014
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Getting instruction from an "Aerobatic" instructor will not get the
>>>> gear down any better
>>>> I would appreciate it if the FAA would not get involved in a non-event
>>>> like a gear up landing in a Yak. Not much damage not much of an issue.
>>>> Good luck fighting the government.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On May 21, 2014, at 13:41, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To all the Yak listers:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr Verhellen is at war with the airfield of Namur. That is obvious.
>>>>>
>>>>> He 'll do whatever he can to harm the airfield and the people that are
>>>>> based there.
>>>>>
>>>>> I try to stay out of his fight. It's none of my business but this
>>>>> time,
>>>>> and only this time, I have to react.
>>>>>
>>>>> @Etienne: KEEP YOUR PERSONAL STUFF OFF THE LIST! YOU ARE ABUSING THE
>>>>> LIST.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan, Yak 50, F-AZUK, based ath the Namur airfield.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: I will not respond on eventual replies from Etienne Verhellen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20/05/14 22:38, "Etienne Verhellen" <janie@yak52.fr> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another Yak-52 'gear-up' landing accident in Belgium ....
>>>>>> [Exclamation]
>>>>>> [Exclamation] [Exclamation]
>>>>>> =============================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sunday 18 May 2014 - Namur airfield, EBNM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See attached photo taken just a few moments after the crash in EBNM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 822203.
>>>>>> http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52-34707
>>>>>> /Yak-52-for-sale-34707.200.1.jpg
>>>>>> http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52-34707
>>>>>> /
>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14044351540/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Previously UK CAA registered (G-YAKO) and maintained under the
>>>>>> supervision of the UK Civil Aviation Authorithy
>>>>>> according to the Directives from the aircraft manufacturer, the
>>>>>> Yakovlev
>>>>>> Design Bureau (YDB) regarding Life items
>>>>>> (Airframe, Engine, Propeller, Air bottles, Actuators, hoses, ...)
>>>>>> http://www.yakuk.com/mpd.htm
>>>>>> https://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/20140318MPD2002009R3.pdf
>>>>>> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=de
>>>>>> tailnosummary&fullregmark=YAKO
>>>>>> http://www.caa.co.uk/applicationmodules/ginfo/ginfo_photo.aspx?regmark=G-Y
>>>>>> AKO&imgname=G-YAKO001&imgtype=jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ... But then 'received' a Polish registration when it arrived in
>>>>>> Belgium
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> (Belgian CAA Inspectors and AAIU - the 'Belgian AAIB' - have
>>>>>> ABSOLUTELY
>>>>>> NO CLUE about Yak-52) ...
>>>>>> RA-xxxxK, SP-YAM, F-WRUH, F-AZXK, LY-FOU, T7-xxx, ... etc etc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least 2 'gear up' accident for the 'pilot' of this Yak-52 :
>>>>>> This one and one on Saturday 4 September, 2010 ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 899409 (RA-1453K then Temporary French
>>>>>> registration
>>>>>> F-WRUH)
>>>>>> has done at least 3 'gear-up' landings in Namur airfield EBNM,
>>>>>> Belgium ...
>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/62861611@N08/8951700885/
>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14230563495/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So ... at least (!!!!!) ... 5 Yak-52 'gear-up' accidents at Namur
>>>>>> airfield in Belgium (EBNM).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe more because they do not get reported when they happen at Namur
>>>>>> airfield [Rolling Eyes]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NOT a single report to Belgian CAA (DGTA) and Air Accident
>>>>>> Investigation
>>>>>> Unit (AAIU - Mr Luc Blendeman)
>>>>>> by the pilot or by the airfield 'commander' ...
>>>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/accidents/notification/
>>>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/accid01NF_tcm467-215518.pdf
>>>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/airw09%20NF_tcm467-215537.pdf
>>>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/aeroports/terrains/aerod
>>>>>> romes/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How come Herbert Decouvreur is still in charge as 'Commandant
>>>>>> d'Arodrome' ??
>>>>>> Protected by some Safety Inspectors maybe ... (Mrs Genevive Laloux -
>>>>>> Hugo WUYTS ??)
>>>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/INS01NF_tcm467-215745.pdf
>>>>>> A lot of accidents at Namur airfield ... 19 October 2013 ... 11
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> KILLED. Something needs to be done.
>>>>>> Something MUST be done by the Belgian CAA before more people die.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A few years ago there was another VERY serious Yak-52 accident that
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> have 'easily' killed 2 or 3 persons.
>>>>>> The Belgian AAIU was informed but NOT INTERESTED.
>>>>>> No accident report published although it was promissed ...
>>>>>> So NO LESSON learned. I am fed up with this attitude.
>>>>>> _____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Arrow] Is there an issue with the maintenance of Yaks in Belgium
>>>>>> [Question] YES.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Arrow] [Arrow] Is there an issue with the training of Yak pilots in
>>>>>> Belgium [Question] [Exclamation] Quite clearly YES [Shocked]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _____________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Idea] Maintain your Yaks properly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Idea] Get type specific training from an experienced Yak-52
>>>>>> Aerobatic
>>>>>> FI (A) Flight Instructor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Idea] [Idea] Put the gear down before landing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issues_orig
>>>>>> inal_363.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>>>>> 52/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------
>>>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/240525/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>>>>> 52/
>>>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/215762/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>>>>> 52/
>>>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>>>>> 52/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423517#423517
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Attachments:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__dimanc
>>>>>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_800x600_150.jpg
>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__dimanc
>>>>>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_2_743.jpg
>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/yak_52_training_airworthiness_and_regis
>>>>>> tration_issues_111.pdf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May |
2014
Heck yeah, I'll buy a set!=C2- Saber
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 2:30:04 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18
=C2-May 2014
Duck,
=C2-=C2- =C2- Machine up a batch and they'll sell like hotcakes. =C2
-....at least to me!
Every Navy airplane I flew had a gear handle that looked like a wheel, a
flap handle that looked like an airfoil and a tailhook handle that looked
like a tailhook or was clearly marked as such. =C2-I never will understan
d why
the Soviets designed the two with the same look and feel.
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael B. Cavanagh" <mikecavanagh1@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18
May 2014
> <mikecavanagh1@hotmail.com>
>
> Mark is right. =C2-Breaking the normal routine or being distracted can
bite
> us. =C2-Another twist is that during times of distraction or multi-task
ing
> you may inadvertently operate a an identical looking or feeling control
> not even realizing you've done it. =C2-This is slightly off the subject
of
> forgetting the gear, but may prevent someone from inadvertently raising
> the gear on the ground. Although in different cockpit locations, the
> operation and appearance of the flap and gear controls on the YAK 52 is
> similar enough that I have modified mine so that the gear handle has a
> black wheel painted to look like a wheel, and my =C2-flap control has a
blue
> airfoil like a flap as the handle. =C2-Visually they look completely
> different and tactilely they feel different. =C2-I don't want my brain
to
> subconsciously link the two. You'd think it can't happen, but it can. You
r
> brain can be a dangerous thing. =C2-I used hard wood to shape the new c
ontrol
> knobs, drilled them and mounted them just like the or!
> iginals. =C2-Before gear and flap controls were redesigned to look like
> wheels and flaps =C2-a number of airliners suffered gear retractions wh
en a
> flight crew member raised the gear thinking they were retracting the
> flaps. =C2-I once extended the Flaps on my YAK while thinking GEAR. =C2
-I was
> distracted but luckily got it sorted out when I reached down to extend th
e
> FLAPS and found them already extended. Brain Fart! =C2-I realized the t
wo
> controls being nearly identical could cause big problems for me and
> decided then to make the changes. Brain Farts are gonna happen, and as I
> get older more often, so we try hard to control them with good training,
> SOPs, good design, and checklists. =C2-Modifying the two knobs is an ea
sy
> thing to do and it may protect you from a publicly demonstrated brain
> fart. =C2-Good Luck. =C2-Blue side up. DUCK
> On May 21, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Walt,
>> =C2- =C2-I'm a believer in the "those who have and those who will" o
n gear up
>> landings. =C2-I normally add "and those who will again". =C2-Checkli
sts are
>> great, but distractions have a way of rearing their head on even the mos
t
>> professional and astute pilots. =C2-There's a good reason every Naval
Air
>> Station in the Training Command has a Runway Duty Officer monitoring all
>> landings. =C2-I personally do a landing checklist over the intercom ev
en if
>> I'm solo on every landing. =C2-It's a break in the normal routine that
bites
>> most. So far, I'm in the "those who will" category!
>>
>> Mark Davis
>> N44YK
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@shaw.ca>
>> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ...
>> 18 May 2014
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Jim;
>>>
>>> Does that mean that everybody will do a gear up landing?
>>>
>>> Walt
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: James Goolsby
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:46 AM
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ...
>>> 18 May 2014
>>>
>>>
>>> A fact of life and aviation. =C2-NO ONE --- NO ONE, no matter their f
lying
>>> time or license in their. pocket, is safe from NOT making a gear up
>>> landing. =C2-And it's a fool who thinks any government can do any bet
ter.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun.
>>>
>>>> On May 21, 2014, at 6:07, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD"
>>>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>>
>>>> Concur
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>>> [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] on behalf of Bill Geipel
>>>> [l129bs@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 2:27 AM
>>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ..
.
>>>> 18 May 2014
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Getting instruction from an "Aerobatic" instructor will not get the
>>>> gear down any better
>>>> I would appreciate it if the FAA would not get involved in a non-event
>>>> like a gear up landing in a Yak. Not much damage not much of an issue.
>>>> Good luck fighting the government.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On May 21, 2014, at 13:41, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To all the Yak listers:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr Verhellen is at war with the airfield of Namur. That is obvious.
>>>>>
>>>>> He 'll do whatever he can to harm the airfield and the people that ar
e
>>>>> based there.
>>>>>
>>>>> I try to stay out of his fight. It's none of my business but this
>>>>> time,
>>>>> and only this time, I have to react.
>>>>>
>>>>> @Etienne: KEEP YOUR PERSONAL STUFF OFF THE LIST! YOU ARE ABUSING THE
>>>>> LIST.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan, Yak 50, F-AZUK, based ath the Namur airfield.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: I will not respond on eventual replies from Etienne Verhellen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 20/05/14 22:38, "Etienne Verhellen" <janie@yak52.fr> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another Yak-52 'gear-up' landing accident in Belgium ....
>>>>>> [Exclamation]
>>>>>> [Exclamation] =C2-[Exclamation]
>>>>>> ======================
========================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sunday 18 May 2014 - Namur airfield, EBNM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See attached photo taken just a few moments after the crash in EBNM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 822203.
>>>>>> http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52
-34707
>>>>>> /Yak-52-for-sale-34707.200.1.jpg
>>>>>> http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52
-34707
>>>>>> /
>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14044351540/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Previously UK CAA registered (G-YAKO) and maintained under the
>>>>>> supervision of the UK Civil Aviation Authorithy
>>>>>> according to the Directives from the aircraft manufacturer, the
>>>>>> Yakovlev
>>>>>> Design Bureau (YDB) regarding Life items
>>>>>> (Airframe, Engine, Propeller, Air bottles, Actuators, hoses, ...)
>>>>>> http://www.yakuk.com/mpd.htm
>>>>>> https://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/20140318MPD2002009R3.pdf
>>>>>> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid
=1&mode=de
>>>>>> tailnosummary&fullregmark=YAKO
>>>>>> http://www.caa.co.uk/applicationmodules/ginfo/ginfo_photo.aspx?regma
rk=G-Y
>>>>>> AKO&imgname=G-YAKO001&imgtype=jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ... But then 'received' a Polish registration when it arrived in
>>>>>> Belgium
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>> (Belgian CAA Inspectors and AAIU - the 'Belgian AAIB' =C2-- have
>>>>>> ABSOLUTELY
>>>>>> NO CLUE about Yak-52) ...
>>>>>> RA-xxxxK, SP-YAM, F-WRUH, F-AZXK, LY-FOU, T7-xxx, ... etc etc
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At least 2 'gear up' accident for the 'pilot' of this Yak-52 :
>>>>>> This one and one on Saturday 4 September, 2010 ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 899409 (RA-1453K then Temporary French
>>>>>> registration
>>>>>> F-WRUH)
>>>>>> has done at least 3 'gear-up' landings in Namur airfield EBNM,
>>>>>> Belgium ...
>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/62861611@N08/8951700885/
>>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14230563495/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So ... at least (!!!!!) ... 5 Yak-52 'gear-up' accidents at Namur
>>>>>> airfield in Belgium (EBNM).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe more because they do not get reported when they happen at Namu
r
>>>>>> airfield =C2- =C2-[Rolling Eyes]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NOT a single report to Belgian CAA (DGTA) and Air Accident
>>>>>> Investigation
>>>>>> Unit (AAIU - Mr Luc Blendeman)
>>>>>> by the pilot or by the airfield 'commander' ...
>>>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/accidents/notifica
tion/
>>>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/accid01NF_tcm467-215518.pd
f
>>>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/airw09%20NF_tcm467-215537.
pdf
>>>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/aeroports/terrains
/aerod
>>>>>> romes/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How come Herbert Decouvreur is still in charge as 'Commandant
>>>>>> d'A=C3=A9rodrome' ??
>>>>>> Protected by some Safety Inspectors maybe ... (Mrs Genevi=C3=A8ve La
loux -
>>>>>> Hugo WUYTS ??)
>>>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/INS01NF_tcm467-215745.pdf
>>>>>> A lot of accidents at Namur airfield ... 19 October 2013 ... 11
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> KILLED. Something needs to be done.
>>>>>> Something MUST be done by the Belgian CAA before more people die.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A few years ago there was another VERY serious Yak-52 accident that
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> have 'easily' killed 2 or 3 persons.
>>>>>> The Belgian AAIU was informed but NOT INTERESTED.
>>>>>> No accident report published although it was promissed ...
>>>>>> So NO LESSON learned. I am fed up with this attitude.
>>>>>> _____________________________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Arrow] Is there an issue with the maintenance of Yaks in Belgium
>>>>>> [Question] YES.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Arrow] =C2-[Arrow] Is there an issue with the training of Yak pil
ots in
>>>>>> Belgium =C2- [Question] =C2-[Exclamation] Quite clearly YES =C2
-[Shocked]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _____________________________________________
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Idea] Maintain your Yaks properly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Idea] Get type specific training from an experienced Yak-52
>>>>>> Aerobatic
>>>>>> FI (A) Flight Instructor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [Idea] =C2-[Idea] Put the gear down before landing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issue
s_orig
>>>>>> inal_363.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovle
v-yak-
>>>>>> 52/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --------
>>>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/240525/g-cbss-private-yakovle
v-yak-
>>>>>> 52/
>>>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/215762/g-cbss-private-yakovle
v-yak-
>>>>>> 52/
>>>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovle
v-yak-
>>>>>> 52/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423517#423517
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Attachments:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__
dimanc
>>>>>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_800x600_150.jpg
>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__
dimanc
>>>>>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_2_743.jpg
>>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/yak_52_training_airworthiness_and
_regis
>>>>>> tration_issues_111.pdf
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May |
2014
Thanks guys=85I'll look at it. They were easy easy to make. I think
they really help our brain make a correct choice.
On May 21, 2014, at 2:40 PM, jblake207@comcast.net wrote:
> Heck yeah, I'll buy a set! Saber
>
> From: "Mark Davis" <markdavis@wbsnet.org>
> To: "Yak-List" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 2:30:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium
... 18 May 2014
>
>
> Duck,
> Machine up a batch and they'll sell like hotcakes. ....at least
to me!
> Every Navy airplane I flew had a gear handle that looked like a wheel,
a
> flap handle that looked like an airfoil and a tailhook handle that
looked
> like a tailhook or was clearly marked as such. I never will
understand why
> the Soviets designed the two with the same look and feel.
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael B. Cavanagh" <mikecavanagh1@hotmail.com>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 12:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium
... 18
> May 2014
>
>
> > <mikecavanagh1@hotmail.com>
> >
> > Mark is right. Breaking the normal routine or being distracted can
bite
> > us. Another twist is that during times of distraction or
multi-tasking
> > you may inadvertently operate a an identical looking or feeling
control
> > not even realizing you've done it. This is slightly off the subject
of
> > forgetting the gear, but may prevent someone from inadvertently
raising
> > the gear on the ground. Although in different cockpit locations, the
> > operation and appearance of the flap and gear controls on the YAK 52
is
> > similar enough that I have modified mine so that the gear handle has
a
> > black wheel painted to look like a wheel, and my flap control has a
blue
> > airfoil like a flap as the handle. Visually they look completely
> > different and tactilely they feel different. I don't want my brain
to
> > subconsciously link the two. You'd think it can't happen, but it
can. Your
> > brain can be a dangerous thing. I used hard wood to shape the new
control
> > knobs, drilled them and mounted them just like the or!
> > iginals. Before gear and flap controls were redesigned to look like
> > wheels and flaps a number of airliners suffered gear retractions
when a
> > flight crew member raised the gear thinking they were retracting the
> > flaps. I once extended the Flaps on my YAK while thinking GEAR. I
was
> > distracted but luckily got it sorted out when I reached down to
extend the
> > FLAPS and found them already extended. Brain Fart! I realized the
two
> > controls being nearly identical could cause big problems for me and
> > decided then to make the changes. Brain Farts are gonna happen, and
as I
> > get older more often, so we try hard to control them with good
training,
> > SOPs, good design, and checklists. Modifying the two knobs is an
easy
> > thing to do and it may protect you from a publicly demonstrated
brain
> > fart. Good Luck. Blue side up. DUCK
> > On May 21, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org>
wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Walt,
> >> I'm a believer in the "those who have and those who will" on
gear up
> >> landings. I normally add "and those who will again". Checklists
are
> >> great, but distractions have a way of rearing their head on even
the most
> >> professional and astute pilots. There's a good reason every Naval
Air
> >> Station in the Training Command has a Runway Duty Officer
monitoring all
> >> landings. I personally do a landing checklist over the intercom
even if
> >> I'm solo on every landing. It's a break in the normal routine that
bites
> >> most. So far, I'm in the "those who will" category!
> >>
> >> Mark Davis
> >> N44YK
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Lannon"
<wlannon@shaw.ca>
> >> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:16 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium
...
> >> 18 May 2014
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Jim;
> >>>
> >>> Does that mean that everybody will do a gear up landing?
> >>>
> >>> Walt
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message----- From: James Goolsby
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:46 AM
> >>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in
Belgium ...
> >>> 18 May 2014
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> A fact of life and aviation. NO ONE --- NO ONE, no matter their
flying
> >>> time or license in their. pocket, is safe from NOT making a gear
up
> >>> landing. And it's a fool who thinks any government can do any
better.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun.
> >>>
> >>>> On May 21, 2014, at 6:07, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD"
> >>>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
> >>>>
WD"
> >>>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> >>>>
> >>>> Concur
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ________________________________
> >>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> >>>> [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] on behalf of Bill Geipel
> >>>> [l129bs@gmail.com]
> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 2:27 AM
> >>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> >>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in
Belgium ...
> >>>> 18 May 2014
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Getting instruction from an "Aerobatic" instructor will not get
the
> >>>> gear down any better
> >>>> I would appreciate it if the FAA would not get involved in a
non-event
> >>>> like a gear up landing in a Yak. Not much damage not much of an
issue.
> >>>> Good luck fighting the government.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> On May 21, 2014, at 13:41, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
wrote:
> >>>>>
<jan.mevis@informavia.be>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> To all the Yak listers:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Mr Verhellen is at war with the airfield of Namur. That is
obvious.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> He 'll do whatever he can to harm the airfield and the people
that are
> >>>>> based there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I try to stay out of his fight. It's none of my business but
this
> >>>>> time,
> >>>>> and only this time, I have to react.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> @Etienne: KEEP YOUR PERSONAL STUFF OFF THE LIST! YOU ARE ABUSING
THE
> >>>>> LIST.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jan, Yak 50, F-AZUK, based ath the Namur airfield.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> PS: I will not respond on eventual replies from Etienne
Verhellen
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 20/05/14 22:38, "Etienne Verhellen" <janie@yak52.fr> wrote:
> >>>>>>
<janie@yak52.fr>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Another Yak-52 'gear-up' landing accident in Belgium ....
> >>>>>> [Exclamation]
> >>>>>> [Exclamation] [Exclamation]
> >>>>>> ====================
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sunday 18 May 2014 - Namur airfield, EBNM.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> See attached photo taken just a few moments after the crash in
EBNM.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 822203.
> >>>>>>
http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52-34707
> >>>>>> /Yak-52-for-sale-34707.200.1.jpg
> >>>>>>
http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52-34707
> >>>>>> /
> >>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14044351540/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Previously UK CAA registered (G-YAKO) and maintained under the
> >>>>>> supervision of the UK Civil Aviation Authorithy
> >>>>>> according to the Directives from the aircraft manufacturer, the
> >>>>>> Yakovlev
> >>>>>> Design Bureau (YDB) regarding Life items
> >>>>>> (Airframe, Engine, Propeller, Air bottles, Actuators, hoses,
...)
> >>>>>> http://www.yakuk.com/mpd.htm
> >>>>>> https://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/20140318MPD2002009R3.pdf
> >>>>>>
http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&m
ode=de
> >>>>>> tailnosummary&fullregmark=YAKO
> >>>>>>
http://www.caa.co.uk/applicationmodules/ginfo/ginfo_photo.aspx?regmark=G
-Y
> >>>>>> AKO&imgname=G-YAKO001&imgtype=jpg
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ... But then 'received' a Polish registration when it arrived
in
> >>>>>> Belgium
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>> (Belgian CAA Inspectors and AAIU - the 'Belgian AAIB' - have
> >>>>>> ABSOLUTELY
> >>>>>> NO CLUE about Yak-52) ...
> >>>>>> RA-xxxxK, SP-YAM, F-WRUH, F-AZXK, LY-FOU, T7-xxx, ... etc etc
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> At least 2 'gear up' accident for the 'pilot' of this Yak-52 :
> >>>>>> This one and one on Saturday 4 September, 2010 ...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 899409 (RA-1453K then Temporary French
> >>>>>> registration
> >>>>>> F-WRUH)
> >>>>>> has done at least 3 'gear-up' landings in Namur airfield EBNM,
> >>>>>> Belgium ...
> >>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/62861611@N08/8951700885/
> >>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14230563495/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> So ... at least (!!!!!) ... 5 Yak-52 'gear-up' accidents at
Namur
> >>>>>> airfield in Belgium (EBNM).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Maybe more because they do not get reported when they happen at
Namur
> >>>>>> airfield [Rolling Eyes]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> NOT a single report to Belgian CAA (DGTA) and Air Accident
> >>>>>> Investigation
> >>>>>> Unit (AAIU - Mr Luc Blendeman)
> >>>>>> by the pilot or by the airfield 'commander' ...
> >>>>>>
http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/accidents/notification/
> >>>>>>
http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/accid01NF_tcm467-215518.pdf
> >>>>>>
http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/airw09%20NF_tcm467-215537.pdf
> >>>>>>
http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/aeroports/terrains/aerod
> >>>>>> romes/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> How come Herbert Decouvreur is still in charge as 'Commandant
> >>>>>> d'A=E9rodrome' ??
> >>>>>> Protected by some Safety Inspectors maybe ... (Mrs Genevi=E8ve
Laloux -
> >>>>>> Hugo WUYTS ??)
> >>>>>>
http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/INS01NF_tcm467-215745.pdf
> >>>>>> A lot of accidents at Namur airfield ... 19 October 2013 ... 11
> >>>>>> people
> >>>>>> KILLED. Something needs to be done.
> >>>>>> Something MUST be done by the Belgian CAA before more people
die.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _____________________________________________________________
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> A few years ago there was another VERY serious Yak-52 accident
that
> >>>>>> could
> >>>>>> have 'easily' killed 2 or 3 persons.
> >>>>>> The Belgian AAIU was informed but NOT INTERESTED.
> >>>>>> No accident report published although it was promissed ...
> >>>>>> So NO LESSON learned. I am fed up with this attitude.
> >>>>>> _____________________________________________________________
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [Arrow] Is there an issue with the maintenance of Yaks in
Belgium
> >>>>>> [Question] YES.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [Arrow] [Arrow] Is there an issue with the training of Yak
pilots in
> >>>>>> Belgium [Question] [Exclamation] Quite clearly YES
[Shocked]
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _____________________________________________
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [Idea] Maintain your Yaks properly.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [Idea] Get type specific training from an experienced Yak-52
> >>>>>> Aerobatic
> >>>>>> FI (A) Flight Instructor.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> [Idea] [Idea] Put the gear down before landing.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issues_orig
> >>>>>> inal_363.pdf
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Cheers.
> >>>>>>
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
> >>>>>> 52/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --------
> >>>>>>
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/240525/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
> >>>>>> 52/
> >>>>>>
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/215762/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
> >>>>>> 52/
> >>>>>>
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
> >>>>>> 52/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Read this topic online here:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423517#423517
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Attachments:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__dimanc
> >>>>>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_800x600_150.jpg
> >>>>>>
http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__dimanc
> >>>>>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_2_743.jpg
> >>>>>>
http://forums.matronics.com//files/yak_52_training_airworthiness_and_regis
> >>>>>> tration_issues_111.pdf
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> bsp; -================
>
>
>
>
>
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2014
Mark;
Absolutely agree 100%.
Almost did one many years ago with the Harvard, long story but basically
"break in the routine". The HORN saved my ass!
Which is why I have installed an almost identical gear warning system in my
CJ.
Actually my previous comment was just to pull Jim's chain! Read his poet
again.
Walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Davis
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18
May 2014
Walt,
I'm a believer in the "those who have and those who will" on gear up
landings. I normally add "and those who will again". Checklists are great,
but distractions have a way of rearing their head on even the most
professional and astute pilots. There's a good reason every Naval Air
Station in the Training Command has a Runway Duty Officer monitoring all
landings. I personally do a landing checklist over the intercom even if I'm
solo on every landing. It's a break in the normal routine that bites most.
So far, I'm in the "those who will" category!
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@shaw.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18
May 2014
>
> Jim;
>
> Does that mean that everybody will do a gear up landing?
>
> Walt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Goolsby
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:46 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18
> May 2014
>
>
> A fact of life and aviation. NO ONE --- NO ONE, no matter their flying
> time or license in their. pocket, is safe from NOT making a gear up
> landing. And it's a fool who thinks any government can do any better.
>
> Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun.
>
>> On May 21, 2014, at 6:07, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD"
>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
>>
>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> Concur
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] on behalf of Bill Geipel
>> [l129bs@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 2:27 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ...
>> 18 May 2014
>>
>>
>> Getting instruction from an "Aerobatic" instructor will not get the gear
>> down any better
>> I would appreciate it if the FAA would not get involved in a non-event
>> like a gear up landing in a Yak. Not much damage not much of an issue.
>> Good luck fighting the government.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 21, 2014, at 13:41, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> To all the Yak listers:
>>>
>>>
>>> Mr Verhellen is at war with the airfield of Namur. That is obvious.
>>>
>>> He 'll do whatever he can to harm the airfield and the people that are
>>> based there.
>>>
>>> I try to stay out of his fight. It's none of my business but this time,
>>> and only this time, I have to react.
>>>
>>> @Etienne: KEEP YOUR PERSONAL STUFF OFF THE LIST! YOU ARE ABUSING THE
>>> LIST.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jan, Yak 50, F-AZUK, based ath the Namur airfield.
>>>
>>>
>>> PS: I will not respond on eventual replies from Etienne Verhellen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 20/05/14 22:38, "Etienne Verhellen" <janie@yak52.fr> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Another Yak-52 'gear-up' landing accident in Belgium .... [Exclamation]
>>>> [Exclamation] [Exclamation]
>>>> =============================================
>>>>
>>>> Sunday 18 May 2014 - Namur airfield, EBNM.
>>>>
>>>> See attached photo taken just a few moments after the crash in EBNM.
>>>>
>>>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 822203.
>>>> http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52-34707
>>>> /Yak-52-for-sale-34707.200.1.jpg
>>>> http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52-34707
>>>> /
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14044351540/
>>>>
>>>> Previously UK CAA registered (G-YAKO) and maintained under the
>>>> supervision of the UK Civil Aviation Authorithy
>>>> according to the Directives from the aircraft manufacturer, the
>>>> Yakovlev
>>>> Design Bureau (YDB) regarding Life items
>>>> (Airframe, Engine, Propeller, Air bottles, Actuators, hoses, ...)
>>>> http://www.yakuk.com/mpd.htm
>>>> https://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/20140318MPD2002009R3.pdf
>>>> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=de
>>>> tailnosummary&fullregmark=YAKO
>>>> http://www.caa.co.uk/applicationmodules/ginfo/ginfo_photo.aspx?regmark=G-Y
>>>> AKO&imgname=G-YAKO001&imgtype=jpg
>>>>
>>>> ... But then 'received' a Polish registration when it arrived in
>>>> Belgium
>>>> ...
>>>> (Belgian CAA Inspectors and AAIU - the 'Belgian AAIB' - have
>>>> ABSOLUTELY
>>>> NO CLUE about Yak-52) ...
>>>> RA-xxxxK, SP-YAM, F-WRUH, F-AZXK, LY-FOU, T7-xxx, ... etc etc
>>>>
>>>> At least 2 'gear up' accident for the 'pilot' of this Yak-52 :
>>>> This one and one on Saturday 4 September, 2010 ...
>>>>
>>>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 899409 (RA-1453K then Temporary French
>>>> registration
>>>> F-WRUH)
>>>> has done at least 3 'gear-up' landings in Namur airfield EBNM, Belgium
>>>> ...
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/62861611@N08/8951700885/
>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14230563495/
>>>>
>>>> So ... at least (!!!!!) ... 5 Yak-52 'gear-up' accidents at Namur
>>>> airfield in Belgium (EBNM).
>>>>
>>>> Maybe more because they do not get reported when they happen at Namur
>>>> airfield [Rolling Eyes]
>>>>
>>>> NOT a single report to Belgian CAA (DGTA) and Air Accident
>>>> Investigation
>>>> Unit (AAIU - Mr Luc Blendeman)
>>>> by the pilot or by the airfield 'commander' ...
>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/accidents/notification/
>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/accid01NF_tcm467-215518.pdf
>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/airw09%20NF_tcm467-215537.pdf
>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/aeroports/terrains/aerod
>>>> romes/
>>>>
>>>> How come Herbert Decouvreur is still in charge as 'Commandant
>>>> d'Arodrome' ??
>>>> Protected by some Safety Inspectors maybe ... (Mrs Genevive Laloux -
>>>> Hugo WUYTS ??)
>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/INS01NF_tcm467-215745.pdf
>>>> A lot of accidents at Namur airfield ... 19 October 2013 ... 11 people
>>>> KILLED. Something needs to be done.
>>>> Something MUST be done by the Belgian CAA before more people die.
>>>>
>>>> _____________________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> A few years ago there was another VERY serious Yak-52 accident that
>>>> could
>>>> have 'easily' killed 2 or 3 persons.
>>>> The Belgian AAIU was informed but NOT INTERESTED.
>>>> No accident report published although it was promissed ...
>>>> So NO LESSON learned. I am fed up with this attitude.
>>>> _____________________________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> [Arrow] Is there an issue with the maintenance of Yaks in Belgium
>>>> [Question] YES.
>>>>
>>>> [Arrow] [Arrow] Is there an issue with the training of Yak pilots in
>>>> Belgium [Question] [Exclamation] Quite clearly YES [Shocked]
>>>>
>>>> _____________________________________________
>>>>
>>>> [Idea] Maintain your Yaks properly.
>>>>
>>>> [Idea] Get type specific training from an experienced Yak-52 Aerobatic
>>>> FI (A) Flight Instructor.
>>>>
>>>> [Idea] [Idea] Put the gear down before landing.
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issues_orig
>>>> inal_363.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Cheers.
>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>>> 52/
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/240525/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>>> 52/
>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/215762/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>>> 52/
>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>>> 52/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423517#423517
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Attachments:
>>>>
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__dimanc
>>>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_800x600_150.jpg
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__dimanc
>>>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_2_743.jpg
>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/yak_52_training_airworthiness_and_regis
>>>> tration_issues_111.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May |
2014
Already did that on my CJ, Alum alloy wheels (with tread) and black
anodized.
Walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael B. Cavanagh
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18
May 2014
<mikecavanagh1@hotmail.com>
Mark is right. Breaking the normal routine or being distracted can bite us.
Another twist is that during times of distraction or multi-tasking you may
inadvertently operate a an identical looking or feeling control not even
realizing you've done it. This is slightly off the subject of forgetting
the gear, but may prevent someone from inadvertently raising the gear on the
ground. Although in different cockpit locations, the operation and
appearance of the flap and gear controls on the YAK 52 is similar enough
that I have modified mine so that the gear handle has a black wheel painted
to look like a wheel, and my flap control has a blue airfoil like a flap as
the handle. Visually they look completely different and tactilely they feel
different. I don't want my brain to subconsciously link the two. You'd
think it can't happen, but it can. Your brain can be a dangerous thing. I
used hard wood to shape the new control knobs, drilled them and mounted them
just like the or!
iginals. Before gear and flap controls were redesigned to look like wheels
and flaps a number of airliners suffered gear retractions when a flight
crew member raised the gear thinking they were retracting the flaps. I once
extended the Flaps on my YAK while thinking GEAR. I was distracted but
luckily got it sorted out when I reached down to extend the FLAPS and found
them already extended. Brain Fart! I realized the two controls being nearly
identical could cause big problems for me and decided then to make the
changes. Brain Farts are gonna happen, and as I get older more often, so we
try hard to control them with good training, SOPs, good design, and
checklists. Modifying the two knobs is an easy thing to do and it may
protect you from a publicly demonstrated brain fart. Good Luck. Blue side
up. DUCK
On May 21, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
>
> Walt,
> I'm a believer in the "those who have and those who will" on gear up
> landings. I normally add "and those who will again". Checklists are
> great, but distractions have a way of rearing their head on even the most
> professional and astute pilots. There's a good reason every Naval Air
> Station in the Training Command has a Runway Duty Officer monitoring all
> landings. I personally do a landing checklist over the intercom even if
> I'm solo on every landing. It's a break in the normal routine that bites
> most. So far, I'm in the "those who will" category!
>
> Mark Davis
> N44YK
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@shaw.ca>
> To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:16 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18
> May 2014
>
>
>>
>> Jim;
>>
>> Does that mean that everybody will do a gear up landing?
>>
>> Walt
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: James Goolsby
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:46 AM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ...
>> 18 May 2014
>>
>>
>> A fact of life and aviation. NO ONE --- NO ONE, no matter their flying
>> time or license in their. pocket, is safe from NOT making a gear up
>> landing. And it's a fool who thinks any government can do any better.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun.
>>
>>> On May 21, 2014, at 6:07, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD"
>>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
>>>
>>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>>
>>> Concur
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] on behalf of Bill Geipel
>>> [l129bs@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 2:27 AM
>>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ...
>>> 18 May 2014
>>>
>>>
>>> Getting instruction from an "Aerobatic" instructor will not get the gear
>>> down any better
>>> I would appreciate it if the FAA would not get involved in a non-event
>>> like a gear up landing in a Yak. Not much damage not much of an issue.
>>> Good luck fighting the government.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On May 21, 2014, at 13:41, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To all the Yak listers:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mr Verhellen is at war with the airfield of Namur. That is obvious.
>>>>
>>>> He 'll do whatever he can to harm the airfield and the people that are
>>>> based there.
>>>>
>>>> I try to stay out of his fight. It's none of my business but this time,
>>>> and only this time, I have to react.
>>>>
>>>> @Etienne: KEEP YOUR PERSONAL STUFF OFF THE LIST! YOU ARE ABUSING THE
>>>> LIST.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jan, Yak 50, F-AZUK, based ath the Namur airfield.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PS: I will not respond on eventual replies from Etienne Verhellen
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 20/05/14 22:38, "Etienne Verhellen" <janie@yak52.fr> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Another Yak-52 'gear-up' landing accident in Belgium ....
>>>>> [Exclamation]
>>>>> [Exclamation] [Exclamation]
>>>>> =============================================
>>>>>
>>>>> Sunday 18 May 2014 - Namur airfield, EBNM.
>>>>>
>>>>> See attached photo taken just a few moments after the crash in EBNM.
>>>>>
>>>>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 822203.
>>>>> http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52-34707
>>>>> /Yak-52-for-sale-34707.200.1.jpg
>>>>> http://www.avbuyer.com/aircraft-for-sale/piston/single-engine/Yak/52-34707
>>>>> /
>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14044351540/
>>>>>
>>>>> Previously UK CAA registered (G-YAKO) and maintained under the
>>>>> supervision of the UK Civil Aviation Authorithy
>>>>> according to the Directives from the aircraft manufacturer, the
>>>>> Yakovlev
>>>>> Design Bureau (YDB) regarding Life items
>>>>> (Airframe, Engine, Propeller, Air bottles, Actuators, hoses, ...)
>>>>> http://www.yakuk.com/mpd.htm
>>>>> https://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/20140318MPD2002009R3.pdf
>>>>> http://www.caa.co.uk/application.aspx?catid=60&pagetype=65&appid=1&mode=de
>>>>> tailnosummary&fullregmark=YAKO
>>>>> http://www.caa.co.uk/applicationmodules/ginfo/ginfo_photo.aspx?regmark=G-Y
>>>>> AKO&imgname=G-YAKO001&imgtype=jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> ... But then 'received' a Polish registration when it arrived in
>>>>> Belgium
>>>>> ...
>>>>> (Belgian CAA Inspectors and AAIU - the 'Belgian AAIB' - have
>>>>> ABSOLUTELY
>>>>> NO CLUE about Yak-52) ...
>>>>> RA-xxxxK, SP-YAM, F-WRUH, F-AZXK, LY-FOU, T7-xxx, ... etc etc
>>>>>
>>>>> At least 2 'gear up' accident for the 'pilot' of this Yak-52 :
>>>>> This one and one on Saturday 4 September, 2010 ...
>>>>>
>>>>> # Yak-52 Serial No. : 899409 (RA-1453K then Temporary French
>>>>> registration
>>>>> F-WRUH)
>>>>> has done at least 3 'gear-up' landings in Namur airfield EBNM, Belgium
>>>>> ...
>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/62861611@N08/8951700885/
>>>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/96986043@N08/14230563495/
>>>>>
>>>>> So ... at least (!!!!!) ... 5 Yak-52 'gear-up' accidents at Namur
>>>>> airfield in Belgium (EBNM).
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe more because they do not get reported when they happen at Namur
>>>>> airfield [Rolling Eyes]
>>>>>
>>>>> NOT a single report to Belgian CAA (DGTA) and Air Accident
>>>>> Investigation
>>>>> Unit (AAIU - Mr Luc Blendeman)
>>>>> by the pilot or by the airfield 'commander' ...
>>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/accidents/notification/
>>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/accid01NF_tcm467-215518.pdf
>>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/airw09%20NF_tcm467-215537.pdf
>>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/transport_aerien/aeroports/terrains/aerod
>>>>> romes/
>>>>>
>>>>> How come Herbert Decouvreur is still in charge as 'Commandant
>>>>> d'Arodrome' ??
>>>>> Protected by some Safety Inspectors maybe ... (Mrs Genevive Laloux -
>>>>> Hugo WUYTS ??)
>>>>> http://www.mobilit.belgium.be/fr/binaries/INS01NF_tcm467-215745.pdf
>>>>> A lot of accidents at Namur airfield ... 19 October 2013 ... 11 people
>>>>> KILLED. Something needs to be done.
>>>>> Something MUST be done by the Belgian CAA before more people die.
>>>>>
>>>>> _____________________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> A few years ago there was another VERY serious Yak-52 accident that
>>>>> could
>>>>> have 'easily' killed 2 or 3 persons.
>>>>> The Belgian AAIU was informed but NOT INTERESTED.
>>>>> No accident report published although it was promissed ...
>>>>> So NO LESSON learned. I am fed up with this attitude.
>>>>> _____________________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> [Arrow] Is there an issue with the maintenance of Yaks in Belgium
>>>>> [Question] YES.
>>>>>
>>>>> [Arrow] [Arrow] Is there an issue with the training of Yak pilots in
>>>>> Belgium [Question] [Exclamation] Quite clearly YES [Shocked]
>>>>>
>>>>> _____________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> [Idea] Maintain your Yaks properly.
>>>>>
>>>>> [Idea] Get type specific training from an experienced Yak-52 Aerobatic
>>>>> FI (A) Flight Instructor.
>>>>>
>>>>> [Idea] [Idea] Put the gear down before landing.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/flight_international_yak_52_issues_orig
>>>>> inal_363.pdf
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>>>> 52/
>>>>>
>>>>> --------
>>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/240525/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>>>> 52/
>>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/215762/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>>>> 52/
>>>>> http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/403690/g-cbss-private-yakovlev-yak-
>>>>> 52/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Read this topic online here:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=423517#423517
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Attachments:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__dimanc
>>>>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_800x600_150.jpg
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/accident_arodrome_de_namur_ebnm__dimanc
>>>>> he_18_mai_2014__yak_52_sp_yam__dgta__aaiu_2_743.jpg
>>>>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/yak_52_training_airworthiness_and_regis
>>>>> tration_issues_111.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18 May |
2014
At one point, Bill Blackwell was selling a 2.5=9D red-colored aluminu
m =9Cwheel=9D with =9CGEAR=9D engraved on the front
, machined to fit CJ=99s =93 clearly different than the flap ba
ll/knob in color, size, material and shape. Not sure if it fits the Yaks.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Lannon <wlannon@shaw.ca>
Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 4:32 pm
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18
May 2014
Already did that on my CJ, Alum alloy wheels (with tread) and black
nodized.
Walt
-----Original Message-----
rom: Michael B. Cavanagh
ent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 11:28 AM
o: yak-list@matronics.com
ubject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18
ay 2014
mikecavanagh1@hotmail.com>
Mark is right. Breaking the normal routine or being distracted can bite us
.
nother twist is that during times of distraction or multi-tasking you may
nadvertently operate a an identical looking or feeling control not even
ealizing you've done it. This is slightly off the subject of forgetting
he gear, but may prevent someone from inadvertently raising the gear on the
round. Although in different cockpit locations, the operation and
ppearance of the flap and gear controls on the YAK 52 is similar enough
hat I have modified mine so that the gear handle has a black wheel painted
o look like a wheel, and my flap control has a blue airfoil like a flap as
he handle. Visually they look completely different and tactilely they feel
ifferent. I don't want my brain to subconsciously link the two. You'd
hink it can't happen, but it can. Your brain can be a dangerous thing. I
sed hard wood to shape the new control knobs, drilled them and mounted them
ust like the or!
ginals. Before gear and flap controls were redesigned to look like wheels
nd flaps a number of airliners suffered gear retractions when a flight
rew member raised the gear thinking they were retracting the flaps. I once
xtended the Flaps on my YAK while thinking GEAR. I was distracted but
uckily got it sorted out when I reached down to extend the FLAPS and found
hem already extended. Brain Fart! I realized the two controls being nearly
dentical could cause big problems for me and decided then to make the
hanges. Brain Farts are gonna happen, and as I get older more often, so we
ry hard to control them with good training, SOPs, good design, and
hecklists. Modifying the two knobs is an easy thing to do and it may
rotect you from a publicly demonstrated brain fart. Good Luck. Blue side
p. DUCK
n May 21, 2014, at 11:37 AM, Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org> wrote:
Walt,
I'm a believer in the "those who have and those who will" on gear up
landings. I normally add "and those who will again". Checklists are
great, but distractions have a way of rearing their head on even the most
professional and astute pilots. There's a good reason every Naval Air
Station in the Training Command has a Runway Duty Officer monitoring all
landings. I personally do a landing checklist over the intercom even if
I'm solo on every landing. It's a break in the normal routine that bites
most. So far, I'm in the "those who will" category!
Mark Davis
N44YK
----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Lannon" <wlannon@shaw.ca>
To: <yak-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ... 18
May 2014
>
> Jim;
>
> Does that mean that everybody will do a gear up landing?
>
> Walt
>
> -----Original Message----- From: James Goolsby
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 6:46 AM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Another Yak-52 'gear up' accident in Belgium ...
> 18 May 2014
>
>
> A fact of life and aviation. NO ONE --- NO ONE, no matter their flying
> time or license in their. pocket, is safe from NOT making a gear up
> landing. And it's a fool who thinks any government can do any better.
>
> Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun.
>
>> On May 21, 2014, at 6:07, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD"
>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
>>
>> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> Concur
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