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1. 04:16 AM - AvMAP Ultra EFIS (Hans Oortman)
2. 05:00 AM - Re: AvMAP Ultra EFIS (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 05:01 AM - Re: AvMAP Ultra EFIS (George S. Coy)
4. 07:05 AM - Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 (Warren Hill)
5. 08:15 AM - Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
6. 10:14 AM - Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 (Roger Kemp)
7. 10:29 AM - Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 (Roger Kemp)
8. 10:50 AM - Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 (Jan Mevis)
9. 12:03 PM - Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 (Roger Kemp)
10. 12:07 PM - Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 (Hans Oortman)
11. 12:28 PM - Re: AvMAP Ultra EFIS (Dale)
12. 12:28 PM - Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 (Roger Kemp)
13. 12:32 PM - Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 (Roger Kemp)
14. 12:34 PM - Re: Recommended radio for Yak 52 (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
15. 12:39 PM - Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
16. 12:51 PM - Re: Recommended radio for Yak 52 (Roger Kemp)
17. 12:51 PM - Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 (Hans Oortman)
18. 01:11 PM - Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 (Roger Kemp)
19. 01:38 PM - YAK52 to share... (Hans Oortman)
20. 11:30 PM - Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 (Jan Mevis)
21. 11:35 PM - Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 (Jan Mevis)
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| Subject: | AvMAP Ultra EFIS |
Hi Yakkers,
I own a YAK52/PH-YAK, based in the Netherlands.
I am looking to replace the front horizon with the latest AvMAP Ultra EFIS.
Because of the Special CofA which we have in the Netherlands our CAA is not
authorized to give their blessing on this possible installation.
They will, however, accept an approval from any other CAA or e.g. FAA.
Now on the website of AvMAP under the heading of the Ultra EFIS a photograph
is shown of an installed EFIS in a YAK52 with callsign N58GC.
Does anybody know the owner of this YAK or does anybody else have a document
which shows the approval of this device for use in a YAK52??
Thanks to the net for helping me out on this matter.
Hans Oortman
PH-YAK
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| Subject: | Re: AvMAP Ultra EFIS |
Hans,=0ASince all Yak 52's registered in the US are certified in the Experi
mental Exhibition category, (the key word is "experimental), they do not re
quire any "approval" by the FAA other than the annual condition inspection
which confirms the airplane is in a condition for safe operation.- So we
here in the US may not be much help with regards to an "approval".- Effec
tively all that is normally done is a log book entry stating the installati
on of such and such device.- Then during the condition inspection an FAA
certified mechanic signs off the condition inspection certifying the airpla
ne is "in a condition for safe operation".=0A=0AThe owner of N58GC is liste
d in the FAA aircraft registration data base.-- Use this link and enter
the N number of the airplane and it will pull up all public information pe
rtaining to that specific airplane.=0Ahttp://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqui
ry/NNum_Inquiry.aspx=0A=0AHope this helps.=0ADennis=0A=0A=0A=0A____________
____________________=0A From: Hans Oortman <pa3arw@ziggo.nl>=0ATo: yak-list
@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 6:15 AM=0ASubject: Yak-Li
st: AvMAP Ultra EFIS=0A =0A=0A=0AAvMAP Ultra EFIS =0AHi Yakkers,=0A=0AI own
a YAK52/PH-YAK, based in the Netherlands.=0AI am looking to replace the fr
ont horizon with the latest AvMAP Ultra EFIS.=0ABecause of the Special CofA
which we have in the Netherlands our CAA is not authorized to give their b
lessing on this possible installation.=0AThey will, however, accept an appr
oval from any other CAA or e.g. FAA.=0ANow on the website of AvMAP under th
e heading of the Ultra EFIS a photograph is shown of an installed EFIS in a
YAK52 with callsign N58GC.=0ADoes anybody know the owner of this YAK or do
es anybody else have a document which shows the approval of this device for
use in a YAK52??=0A=0AThanks to the net for helping me out on this matter.
======================
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| Subject: | AvMAP Ultra EFIS |
58GC is owned by Grant Farrell in Illinois. unfortunately it will not help
you, as it is an experimental aircraft here in the U.S. and FAA approval is
not required to install the AVmap Ultra EFIS. Your might be better off with
a Dynon system as they are installed in several Light Sport aircraft and
sort of 1/2 way are blessed by the FAA.
George Coy
PS the GC in 58GC are my initials. It means it was one the we imported.
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hans Oortman
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 7:16 AM
Subject: Yak-List: AvMAP Ultra EFIS
Hi Yakkers,
I own a YAK52/PH-YAK, based in the Netherlands.
I am looking to replace the front horizon with the latest AvMAP Ultra EFIS.
Because of the Special CofA which we have in the Netherlands our CAA is not
authorized to give their blessing on this possible installation.
They will, however, accept an approval from any other CAA or e.g. FAA.
Now on the website of AvMAP under the heading of the Ultra EFIS a photograph
is shown of an installed EFIS in a YAK52 with callsign N58GC.
Does anybody know the owner of this YAK or does anybody else have a document
which shows the approval of this device for use in a YAK52??
Thanks to the net for helping me out on this matter.
Hans Oortman
PH-YAK
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| Subject: | Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 |
Jan,
I also have the small Becker radio in my CJ, in addition to a Garmin SL-30 as my
primary radio. Liked it so much, I replaced my transponder with a one by Becker.
In spite of their small size, these are very high quality radios.
The PMA4000 intercom/audio panel by PS Engineering matches the size and appearance
of the Becker products and installs in a 2 inch hole. A nice solution to
the problem of limited space.
Zero problems with noise, or interference.
Warren Hill
N464TW
Mesa, AZ
On Aug 27, 2014, at 10:43 PM, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>
> I am perfectly satisfied with the Funkwerk, it is very good.
> I'm also co-owner of a Yak 52. In the Yak 52 I installed the small Becker
> with the PM1200 for intercom.
> This also works flawlessly.
> But I also replaced the complete cabling (audio cables, push-to-talk
> cables, antenna cables).
> If you have noise on the Becker, then you should look at the cabling.
> Also: I connected all the mass cables on one point for a common mass and
> made also sure that this mass point is well connected to the battery.
>
> Verifying and replacing the cables is quite a job of course, but not so
> difficult.
> You should check the cables before replacing the Becker.
>
> BR,
>
> Jan
>
> PS: consider buying the wiring harness offered as an option with the radio
> or the PM 1200. It's generally of a very good quality.
>
>
>
> On 27/08/14 20:44, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>
>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>
>> Hi Jan,
>>
>> Yes I to go for the 8,33 spacing now. Looking on the Garmin 225a or b.
>> Problem is the dimension on depth.
>>
>> Are you satisfied with the Funkwerk? Problem now with the Becker is that
>> it pick up to mutch noise from the Aircraft when reciving.
>>
>> BR
>> Havard
>>
>>
>>
>> Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
>>
>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 20:13 skrev Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be>:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd go for an 8.33 kHz separation.
>>> Just a matter of time before it will be imposed in Europe.
>>> I have a German Filser Funkwerk.
>>>
>>> BR,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>>> On 27/08/14 19:57, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Would like to get some recomandations on which radio to instal in my
>>>> 52.
>>>> Now have an becker but it will be replaced.
>>>>
>>>> Have a new in box PM1200 I/C I would use with a new radio.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Havard Dale
>>>> Norway
>>>>
>>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>>>
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| Subject: | Recomanded radio for Yak 52 |
Almost next to impossible to fix this problem a Becker Doc. Sell it to a glider
pilot. He'll love it.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Recomanded radio for Yak 52
No kidding! My Becker has gotten to the point that can hardly hear what I receive.
Have tried shielding all of the incoming wiring and even thought about shielding
the case.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 27, 2014, at 1:44 PM, Hvard Dale <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>
> --> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>
> Hi Jan,
>
> Yes I to go for the 8,33 spacing now. Looking on the Garmin 225a or b. Problem
is the dimension on depth.
>
> Are you satisfied with the Funkwerk? Problem now with the Becker is that it pick
up to mutch noise from the Aircraft when reciving.
>
> BR
> Havard
>
>
> Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
>
>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 20:13 skrev Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be>:
>>
>>
>> I'd go for an 8.33 kHz separation.
>> Just a matter of time before it will be imposed in Europe.
>> I have a German Filser Funkwerk.
>>
>> BR,
>>
>> Jan
>>
>>> On 27/08/14 19:57, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Would like to get some recomandations on which radio to instal in my 52.
>>> Now have an becker but it will be replaced.
>>>
>>> Have a new in box PM1200 I/C I would use with a new radio.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>> Havard Dale
>>> Norway
>>>
>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 |
Copy Mark. Got some glider types trying to populate our airport! Will make them
a deal. Sadly I have two!
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 28, 2014, at 10:13 AM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
wrote:
>
>
> Almost next to impossible to fix this problem a Becker Doc. Sell it to a glider
pilot. He'll love it.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 3:18 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Recomanded radio for Yak 52
>
>
> No kidding! My Becker has gotten to the point that can hardly hear what I receive.
Have tried shielding all of the incoming wiring and even thought about shielding
the case.
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 1:44 PM, Hvard Dale <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>
>> --> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>
>> Hi Jan,
>>
>> Yes I to go for the 8,33 spacing now. Looking on the Garmin 225a or b. Problem
is the dimension on depth.
>>
>> Are you satisfied with the Funkwerk? Problem now with the Becker is that it
pick up to mutch noise from the Aircraft when reciving.
>>
>> BR
>> Havard
>>
>>
>>
>> Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
>>
>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 20:13 skrev Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be>:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd go for an 8.33 kHz separation.
>>> Just a matter of time before it will be imposed in Europe.
>>> I have a German Filser Funkwerk.
>>>
>>> BR,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>>> On 27/08/14 19:57, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Would like to get some recomandations on which radio to instal in my 52.
>>>> Now have an becker but it will be replaced.
>>>>
>>>> Have a new in box PM1200 I/C I would use with a new radio.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Havard Dale
>>>> Norway
>>>>
>>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 |
Jan, I did get the wiring harness with the radio. Using A/C grade RG 56 cable I
believe. Forget who made the antenna but nothing had been a problem until I went
to Taylor plug wires then all hell has gradually evolved.
Now this noise is not throttle setting related but with the engine turned off it
receives quit clearly? I know, kill the engine to receive! ;^0
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 28, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>
>
> I am perfectly satisfied with the Funkwerk, it is very good.
> I'm also co-owner of a Yak 52. In the Yak 52 I installed the small Becker
> with the PM1200 for intercom.
> This also works flawlessly.
> But I also replaced the complete cabling (audio cables, push-to-talk
> cables, antenna cables).
> If you have noise on the Becker, then you should look at the cabling.
> Also: I connected all the mass cables on one point for a common mass and
> made also sure that this mass point is well connected to the battery.
>
> Verifying and replacing the cables is quite a job of course, but not so
> difficult.
> You should check the cables before replacing the Becker.
>
> BR,
>
> Jan
>
> PS: consider buying the wiring harness offered as an option with the radio
> or the PM 1200. It's generally of a very good quality.
>
>
>
>> On 27/08/14 20:44, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>
>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>
>> Hi Jan,
>>
>> Yes I to go for the 8,33 spacing now. Looking on the Garmin 225a or b.
>> Problem is the dimension on depth.
>>
>> Are you satisfied with the Funkwerk? Problem now with the Becker is that
>> it pick up to mutch noise from the Aircraft when reciving.
>>
>> BR
>> Havard
>>
>>
>>
>> Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
>>
>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 20:13 skrev Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be>:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd go for an 8.33 kHz separation.
>>> Just a matter of time before it will be imposed in Europe.
>>> I have a German Filser Funkwerk.
>>>
>>> BR,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>>> On 27/08/14 19:57, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Would like to get some recomandations on which radio to instal in my
>>>> 52.
>>>> Now have an becker but it will be replaced.
>>>>
>>>> Have a new in box PM1200 I/C I would use with a new radio.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Havard Dale
>>>> Norway
>>>>
>>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>>>
>>>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 09:02 skrev Yak-List Digest Server
>>>>> <yak-list@matronics.com>:
>>>>>
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>>>>> Indexes
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| Subject: | Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 |
Well, I also had more noise when I installed the Taylor plug wires, but
then I still had the original Russian radio (a Briz).
Uninstalling the 8mm cables was not an option, so I replaced the Briz by a
Becker.
I took the time to replace ALL the radio wiring (audio, mike,
push-to-talk, antenna, power supply) and also paid attention to have a
good, common earth connection.
I'm far from a specialist in avionics (Mark is the real specialist). So I
suppose I was lucky.
Afterwards I replaced the Becker by a Funkwerk ATR833 because I wanted an
8.33 kHz separation and the Funkwerk was a good buy for the money.
Then I installed my "old" Becker + a PM1200 on our Yak 52.
There too I replaced ALL the audio wiring and made sure to have one
single, good earthing connection point.
I don't claim that this is the better way to do it (Mark?) but it worked
for me.
Our Yak 52 also has Dennis' plug wires.
The installation on my Yak 50 (including my Garrecht transponder) is
checked and approved by a specialized EASA 145 company (imposed by the
French CAA).
BR,
Jan
On 28/08/14 19:29, "Roger Kemp" <f16viperdoc@me.com> wrote:
>
>Jan, I did get the wiring harness with the radio. Using A/C grade RG 56
>cable I believe. Forget who made the antenna but nothing had been a
>problem until I went to Taylor plug wires then all hell has gradually
>evolved.
>Now this noise is not throttle setting related but with the engine turned
>off it receives quit clearly? I know, kill the engine to receive! ;^0
>
>Doc
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am perfectly satisfied with the Funkwerk, it is very good.
>> I'm also co-owner of a Yak 52. In the Yak 52 I installed the small
>>Becker
>> with the PM1200 for intercom.
>> This also works flawlessly.
>> But I also replaced the complete cabling (audio cables, push-to-talk
>> cables, antenna cables).
>> If you have noise on the Becker, then you should look at the cabling.
>> Also: I connected all the mass cables on one point for a common mass and
>> made also sure that this mass point is well connected to the battery.
>>
>> Verifying and replacing the cables is quite a job of course, but not so
>> difficult.
>> You should check the cables before replacing the Becker.
>>
>> BR,
>>
>> Jan
>>
>> PS: consider buying the wiring harness offered as an option with the
>>radio
>> or the PM 1200. It's generally of a very good quality.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 27/08/14 20:44, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>
>>> Hi Jan,
>>>
>>> Yes I to go for the 8,33 spacing now. Looking on the Garmin 225a or b.
>>> Problem is the dimension on depth.
>>>
>>> Are you satisfied with the Funkwerk? Problem now with the Becker is
>>>that
>>> it pick up to mutch noise from the Aircraft when reciving.
>>>
>>> BR
>>> Havard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
>>>
>>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 20:13 skrev Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd go for an 8.33 kHz separation.
>>>> Just a matter of time before it will be imposed in Europe.
>>>> I have a German Filser Funkwerk.
>>>>
>>>> BR,
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>>> On 27/08/14 19:57, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Would like to get some recomandations on which radio to instal in my
>>>>> 52.
>>>>> Now have an becker but it will be replaced.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a new in box PM1200 I/C I would use with a new radio.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> Havard Dale
>>>>> Norway
>>>>>
>>>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 09:02 skrev Yak-List Digest Server
>>>>>> <yak-list@matronics.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> =================================================
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>>>>>> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
>>>>>> formatted
>>>>>> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
>>>>>> Indexes
>>>>>> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
>>>>>> version
>>>>>> of the Yak-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
>>>>>> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>Ch
>>>>>> ap
>>>>>> ter 14-08-26&Archive=Yak
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>ha
>>>>>> pt
>>>>>> er 14-08-26&Archive=Yak
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>>>>>> ===============================================
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>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today's Message Index:
>>>>>> ----------------------
>>>>>>
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>>
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| Subject: | Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 |
Considering the fact that my 50 is pulled apart to rebuild. Right now is a good
time to replace wiring. Now all I need is time to get this done.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 28, 2014, at 12:49 PM, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>
>
> Well, I also had more noise when I installed the Taylor plug wires, but
> then I still had the original Russian radio (a Briz).
>
> Uninstalling the 8mm cables was not an option, so I replaced the Briz by a
> Becker.
>
> I took the time to replace ALL the radio wiring (audio, mike,
> push-to-talk, antenna, power supply) and also paid attention to have a
> good, common earth connection.
>
> I'm far from a specialist in avionics (Mark is the real specialist). So I
> suppose I was lucky.
>
> Afterwards I replaced the Becker by a Funkwerk ATR833 because I wanted an
> 8.33 kHz separation and the Funkwerk was a good buy for the money.
>
> Then I installed my "old" Becker + a PM1200 on our Yak 52.
>
> There too I replaced ALL the audio wiring and made sure to have one
> single, good earthing connection point.
>
> I don't claim that this is the better way to do it (Mark?) but it worked
> for me.
>
> Our Yak 52 also has Dennis' plug wires.
>
> The installation on my Yak 50 (including my Garrecht transponder) is
> checked and approved by a specialized EASA 145 company (imposed by the
> French CAA).
>
>
> BR,
>
> Jan
>
>
>
>> On 28/08/14 19:29, "Roger Kemp" <f16viperdoc@me.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Jan, I did get the wiring harness with the radio. Using A/C grade RG 56
>> cable I believe. Forget who made the antenna but nothing had been a
>> problem until I went to Taylor plug wires then all hell has gradually
>> evolved.
>> Now this noise is not throttle setting related but with the engine turned
>> off it receives quit clearly? I know, kill the engine to receive! ;^0
>>
>> Doc
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I am perfectly satisfied with the Funkwerk, it is very good.
>>> I'm also co-owner of a Yak 52. In the Yak 52 I installed the small
>>> Becker
>>> with the PM1200 for intercom.
>>> This also works flawlessly.
>>> But I also replaced the complete cabling (audio cables, push-to-talk
>>> cables, antenna cables).
>>> If you have noise on the Becker, then you should look at the cabling.
>>> Also: I connected all the mass cables on one point for a common mass and
>>> made also sure that this mass point is well connected to the battery.
>>>
>>> Verifying and replacing the cables is quite a job of course, but not so
>>> difficult.
>>> You should check the cables before replacing the Becker.
>>>
>>> BR,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>> PS: consider buying the wiring harness offered as an option with the
>>> radio
>>> or the PM 1200. It's generally of a very good quality.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 27/08/14 20:44, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jan,
>>>>
>>>> Yes I to go for the 8,33 spacing now. Looking on the Garmin 225a or b.
>>>> Problem is the dimension on depth.
>>>>
>>>> Are you satisfied with the Funkwerk? Problem now with the Becker is
>>>> that
>>>> it pick up to mutch noise from the Aircraft when reciving.
>>>>
>>>> BR
>>>> Havard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
>>>>
>>>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 20:13 skrev Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd go for an 8.33 kHz separation.
>>>>> Just a matter of time before it will be imposed in Europe.
>>>>> I have a German Filser Funkwerk.
>>>>>
>>>>> BR,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27/08/14 19:57, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would like to get some recomandations on which radio to instal in my
>>>>>> 52.
>>>>>> Now have an becker but it will be replaced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a new in box PM1200 I/C I would use with a new radio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>> Havard Dale
>>>>>> Norway
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 09:02 skrev Yak-List Digest Server
>>>>>>> <yak-list@matronics.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =================================================
>>>>>>> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
>>>>>>> =================================================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Today's complete Yak-List Digest can also be found in either of the
>>>>>>> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
>>>>>>> formatted
>>>>>>> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
>>>>>>> Indexes
>>>>>>> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>> of the Yak-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
>>>>>>> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> ap
>>>>>>> ter 14-08-26&Archive=Yak
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> ha
>>>>>>> pt
>>>>>>> er 14-08-26&Archive=Yak
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ===============================================
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>>>>>>> ===============================================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Yak-List Digest Archive
>>>>>>> ---
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>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> ----------------------
>>>>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 |
Jan, Doc,
As you know we have tested a Becker radio (the 25kHz spacing one) in the
workshop of my company. The Becker is simply not designed for such a
noisy(from electromagnetic field point of view) as the Yak52. It's been
designed for glider operation. It took me all kinds of tricks to get it free
of noise, I finally achieved it though but I am still going to change to a
new Funkwerk because we have to have 8.33kHz spacing anyway as of the first
of jan 2017.
I'd change to a Funkwerk and have the wiring completely redone with proper
screening, common earth etc.
Hans O.
PH-YAK
Op 28-08-14 19:49, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> schreef:
>
> Well, I also had more noise when I installed the Taylor plug wires, but
> then I still had the original Russian radio (a Briz).
>
> Uninstalling the 8mm cables was not an option, so I replaced the Briz by a
> Becker.
>
> I took the time to replace ALL the radio wiring (audio, mike,
> push-to-talk, antenna, power supply) and also paid attention to have a
> good, common earth connection.
>
> I'm far from a specialist in avionics (Mark is the real specialist). So I
> suppose I was lucky.
>
> Afterwards I replaced the Becker by a Funkwerk ATR833 because I wanted an
> 8.33 kHz separation and the Funkwerk was a good buy for the money.
>
> Then I installed my "old" Becker + a PM1200 on our Yak 52.
>
> There too I replaced ALL the audio wiring and made sure to have one
> single, good earthing connection point.
>
> I don't claim that this is the better way to do it (Mark?) but it worked
> for me.
>
> Our Yak 52 also has Dennis' plug wires.
>
> The installation on my Yak 50 (including my Garrecht transponder) is
> checked and approved by a specialized EASA 145 company (imposed by the
> French CAA).
>
>
> BR,
>
> Jan
>
>
>
> On 28/08/14 19:29, "Roger Kemp" <f16viperdoc@me.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Jan, I did get the wiring harness with the radio. Using A/C grade RG 56
>> cable I believe. Forget who made the antenna but nothing had been a
>> problem until I went to Taylor plug wires then all hell has gradually
>> evolved.
>> Now this noise is not throttle setting related but with the engine turned
>> off it receives quit clearly? I know, kill the engine to receive! ;^0
>>
>> Doc
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I am perfectly satisfied with the Funkwerk, it is very good.
>>> I'm also co-owner of a Yak 52. In the Yak 52 I installed the small
>>> Becker
>>> with the PM1200 for intercom.
>>> This also works flawlessly.
>>> But I also replaced the complete cabling (audio cables, push-to-talk
>>> cables, antenna cables).
>>> If you have noise on the Becker, then you should look at the cabling.
>>> Also: I connected all the mass cables on one point for a common mass and
>>> made also sure that this mass point is well connected to the battery.
>>>
>>> Verifying and replacing the cables is quite a job of course, but not so
>>> difficult.
>>> You should check the cables before replacing the Becker.
>>>
>>> BR,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>> PS: consider buying the wiring harness offered as an option with the
>>> radio
>>> or the PM 1200. It's generally of a very good quality.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 27/08/14 20:44, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jan,
>>>>
>>>> Yes I to go for the 8,33 spacing now. Looking on the Garmin 225a or b.
>>>> Problem is the dimension on depth.
>>>>
>>>> Are you satisfied with the Funkwerk? Problem now with the Becker is
>>>> that
>>>> it pick up to mutch noise from the Aircraft when reciving.
>>>>
>>>> BR
>>>> Havard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
>>>>
>>>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 20:13 skrev Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd go for an 8.33 kHz separation.
>>>>> Just a matter of time before it will be imposed in Europe.
>>>>> I have a German Filser Funkwerk.
>>>>>
>>>>> BR,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27/08/14 19:57, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would like to get some recomandations on which radio to instal in my
>>>>>> 52.
>>>>>> Now have an becker but it will be replaced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Have a new in box PM1200 I/C I would use with a new radio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>> Havard Dale
>>>>>> Norway
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 09:02 skrev Yak-List Digest Server
>>>>>>> <yak-list@matronics.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> =================================================
>>>>>>> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
>>>>>>> =================================================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Today's complete Yak-List Digest can also be found in either of the
>>>>>>> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
>>>>>>> formatted
>>>>>>> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
>>>>>>> Indexes
>>>>>>> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>> of the Yak-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
>>>>>>> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTML Version:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&
>>>>>>> Ch
>>>>>>> ap
>>>>>>> ter 14-08-26&Archive=Yak
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Text Version:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&C
>>>>>>> ha
>>>>>>> pt
>>>>>>> er 14-08-26&Archive=Yak
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ===============================================
>>>>>>> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
>>>>>>> ===============================================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Yak-List Digest Archive
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Total Messages Posted Tue 08/26/14: 1
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Today's Message Index:
>>>>>>> ----------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. 08:21 AM - Re: Air system Flush (Todd McCutchan)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: AvMAP Ultra EFIS |
AvMap is a Eu company based in Italy. You might see if there is any chance they
are working on a Eu cert. Grant works for AvMap.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=429537#429537
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| Subject: | Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 |
Will the Funkwerk interchange with the 2.5 in panel hole Becker is occupying currently?
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 28, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Hans Oortman <pa3arw@ziggo.nl> wrote:
>
>
> Jan, Doc,
>
> As you know we have tested a Becker radio (the 25kHz spacing one) in the
> workshop of my company. The Becker is simply not designed for such a
> noisy(from electromagnetic field point of view) as the Yak52. It's been
> designed for glider operation. It took me all kinds of tricks to get it free
> of noise, I finally achieved it though but I am still going to change to a
> new Funkwerk because we have to have 8.33kHz spacing anyway as of the first
> of jan 2017.
>
> I'd change to a Funkwerk and have the wiring completely redone with proper
> screening, common earth etc.
>
> Hans O.
> PH-YAK
>
>
>
>
> Op 28-08-14 19:49, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> schreef:
>
>>
>> Well, I also had more noise when I installed the Taylor plug wires, but
>> then I still had the original Russian radio (a Briz).
>>
>> Uninstalling the 8mm cables was not an option, so I replaced the Briz by a
>> Becker.
>>
>> I took the time to replace ALL the radio wiring (audio, mike,
>> push-to-talk, antenna, power supply) and also paid attention to have a
>> good, common earth connection.
>>
>> I'm far from a specialist in avionics (Mark is the real specialist). So I
>> suppose I was lucky.
>>
>> Afterwards I replaced the Becker by a Funkwerk ATR833 because I wanted an
>> 8.33 kHz separation and the Funkwerk was a good buy for the money.
>>
>> Then I installed my "old" Becker + a PM1200 on our Yak 52.
>>
>> There too I replaced ALL the audio wiring and made sure to have one
>> single, good earthing connection point.
>>
>> I don't claim that this is the better way to do it (Mark?) but it worked
>> for me.
>>
>> Our Yak 52 also has Dennis' plug wires.
>>
>> The installation on my Yak 50 (including my Garrecht transponder) is
>> checked and approved by a specialized EASA 145 company (imposed by the
>> French CAA).
>>
>>
>> BR,
>>
>> Jan
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 28/08/14 19:29, "Roger Kemp" <f16viperdoc@me.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Jan, I did get the wiring harness with the radio. Using A/C grade RG 56
>>> cable I believe. Forget who made the antenna but nothing had been a
>>> problem until I went to Taylor plug wires then all hell has gradually
>>> evolved.
>>> Now this noise is not throttle setting related but with the engine turned
>>> off it receives quit clearly? I know, kill the engine to receive! ;^0
>>>
>>> Doc
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am perfectly satisfied with the Funkwerk, it is very good.
>>>> I'm also co-owner of a Yak 52. In the Yak 52 I installed the small
>>>> Becker
>>>> with the PM1200 for intercom.
>>>> This also works flawlessly.
>>>> But I also replaced the complete cabling (audio cables, push-to-talk
>>>> cables, antenna cables).
>>>> If you have noise on the Becker, then you should look at the cabling.
>>>> Also: I connected all the mass cables on one point for a common mass and
>>>> made also sure that this mass point is well connected to the battery.
>>>>
>>>> Verifying and replacing the cables is quite a job of course, but not so
>>>> difficult.
>>>> You should check the cables before replacing the Becker.
>>>>
>>>> BR,
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>> PS: consider buying the wiring harness offered as an option with the
>>>> radio
>>>> or the PM 1200. It's generally of a very good quality.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 27/08/14 20:44, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jan,
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes I to go for the 8,33 spacing now. Looking on the Garmin 225a or b.
>>>>> Problem is the dimension on depth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you satisfied with the Funkwerk? Problem now with the Becker is
>>>>> that
>>>>> it pick up to mutch noise from the Aircraft when reciving.
>>>>>
>>>>> BR
>>>>> Havard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
>>>>>
>>>>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 20:13 skrev Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd go for an 8.33 kHz separation.
>>>>>> Just a matter of time before it will be imposed in Europe.
>>>>>> I have a German Filser Funkwerk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BR,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 27/08/14 19:57, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Would like to get some recomandations on which radio to instal in my
>>>>>>> 52.
>>>>>>> Now have an becker but it will be replaced.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have a new in box PM1200 I/C I would use with a new radio.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>> Havard Dale
>>>>>>> Norway
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 09:02 skrev Yak-List Digest Server
>>>>>>>> <yak-list@matronics.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> =================================================
>>>>>>>> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
>>>>>>>> =================================================
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Today's complete Yak-List Digest can also be found in either of the
>>>>>>>> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
>>>>>>>> formatted
>>>>>>>> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
>>>>>>>> Indexes
>>>>>>>> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
>>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>>> of the Yak-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
>>>>>>>> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> HTML Version:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&
>>>>>>>> Ch
>>>>>>>> ap
>>>>>>>> ter 14-08-26&Archive=Yak
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Text Version:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> ha
>>>>>>>> pt
>>>>>>>> er 14-08-26&Archive=Yak
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ===============================================
>>>>>>>> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
>>>>>>>> ===============================================
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>> Yak-List Digest Archive
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> Total Messages Posted Tue 08/26/14: 1
>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Today's Message Index:
>>>>>>>> ----------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. 08:21 AM - Re: Air system Flush (Todd McCutchan)
>
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| Subject: | Re: Recomanded radio for Yak 52 |
Anyone have a URL for Funkwerks? When I google it here in the colonies I get a
Brewery in Fort Collins, Colorado that brews a Belgium Ale??!
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 28, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc@me.com> wrote:
>
>
> Jan, I did get the wiring harness with the radio. Using A/C grade RG 56 cable
I believe. Forget who made the antenna but nothing had been a problem until I
went to Taylor plug wires then all hell has gradually evolved.
> Now this noise is not throttle setting related but with the engine turned off
it receives quit clearly? I know, kill the engine to receive! ;^0
>
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am perfectly satisfied with the Funkwerk, it is very good.
>> I'm also co-owner of a Yak 52. In the Yak 52 I installed the small Becker
>> with the PM1200 for intercom.
>> This also works flawlessly.
>> But I also replaced the complete cabling (audio cables, push-to-talk
>> cables, antenna cables).
>> If you have noise on the Becker, then you should look at the cabling.
>> Also: I connected all the mass cables on one point for a common mass and
>> made also sure that this mass point is well connected to the battery.
>>
>> Verifying and replacing the cables is quite a job of course, but not so
>> difficult.
>> You should check the cables before replacing the Becker.
>>
>> BR,
>>
>> Jan
>>
>> PS: consider buying the wiring harness offered as an option with the radio
>> or the PM 1200. It's generally of a very good quality.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 27/08/14 20:44, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>
>>> Hi Jan,
>>>
>>> Yes I to go for the 8,33 spacing now. Looking on the Garmin 225a or b.
>>> Problem is the dimension on depth.
>>>
>>> Are you satisfied with the Funkwerk? Problem now with the Becker is that
>>> it pick up to mutch noise from the Aircraft when reciving.
>>>
>>> BR
>>> Havard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
>>>
>>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 20:13 skrev Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd go for an 8.33 kHz separation.
>>>> Just a matter of time before it will be imposed in Europe.
>>>> I have a German Filser Funkwerk.
>>>>
>>>> BR,
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>>> On 27/08/14 19:57, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Would like to get some recomandations on which radio to instal in my
>>>>> 52.
>>>>> Now have an becker but it will be replaced.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a new in box PM1200 I/C I would use with a new radio.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> Havard Dale
>>>>> Norway
>>>>>
>>>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 09:02 skrev Yak-List Digest Server
>>>>>> <yak-list@matronics.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
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>>>>>> =================================================
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>>>>>> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
>>>>>> formatted
>>>>>> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
>>>>>> Indexes
>>>>>> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
>>>>>> version
>>>>>> of the Yak-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor
>>>>>> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>> ap
>>>>>> ter 14-08-26&Archive=Yak
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> pt
>>>>>> er 14-08-26&Archive=Yak
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>> ----------------------
>>>>>>
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Roger that. I really should have been more definitive when I made that Becker
statement.
There are two ways to get rid of radio noise. Eliminate the noise at the source,
or make an attempt to keep existing noise from getting into the radio.
There is no question that the best way to keep ignition noise under control is
to use a gross shield for every wire and sparkplug. That is what the original
Russian design did. Every single wire was run inside of a metal tube, and basically
there was a solid metal shield surrounding every single place ignition
noise could leak out of. This is the best example of keeping noise under control
at the source, but it came with a price. The Russian spark plug wire was
very prone to deterioration and cross over coupling. An early attempt to address
this was to replace the Russian spark plug wires with silicone wires inside
of the original tube. This helped, but troubleshooting and repairing this
design was problematic to put it mildly.
Then Dennis came out with the idea of replacing all of that with Taylor high quality
ignition wires, and automobile spark plugs. Anyone who has done this modification
knows that the engine runs MUCH better than it ever had before with
a good solid spark getting to the cylinders. But, there is no way open wiring
is going to be as quiet as wires inside of solid metal tube. So, the noise
floor was increased, and that is a price you have to pay.
Another well-known source of noise is the P Leaks coming out of each Mag. These
must be perfectly shielded, by-passed, filtered (etc.) or once again you raise
the noise floor.
Enter the P1000 digital tach from Horizon Instruments. This is a really cool tach
and works exceptionally well. However, the design requires the installer
to tap into P Leads from BOTH of the mags, and run that new wiring up to the Tach.
It is VERY easy when doing this to create a situation where even more P
lead noise "leaks out".
The Becker radio is a good radio but there is no question that it is more susceptible
to noise than just about any other model radio I have ever had experience
with. Originally designed for gliders where weight was the most important
issue, and shielding against engine noise was not, this makes perfect sense.
Some folks have had very good luck with Becker radios in YAK and CJ aircraft.
However, if you start adding new things to the airplane that increase the noise
floor, it will start "hearing" that noise before most other models would.
If you work hard enough, you can sometimes keep the noise under control enough
to keep using them. And sometimes you can't.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Recomanded radio for Yak 52
Copy Mark. Got some glider types trying to populate our airport! Will make them
a deal. Sadly I have two!
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 28, 2014, at 10:13 AM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
wrote:
>
> --> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>
> Almost next to impossible to fix this problem a Becker Doc. Sell it to a glider
pilot. He'll love it.
>
> Mark
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 3:18 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Recomanded radio for Yak 52
>
>
> No kidding! My Becker has gotten to the point that can hardly hear what I receive.
Have tried shielding all of the incoming wiring and even thought about shielding
the case.
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 1:44 PM, Hvard Dale <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>
>> --> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>
>> Hi Jan,
>>
>> Yes I to go for the 8,33 spacing now. Looking on the Garmin 225a or b. Problem
is the dimension on depth.
>>
>> Are you satisfied with the Funkwerk? Problem now with the Becker is that it
pick up to mutch noise from the Aircraft when reciving.
>>
>> BR
>> Havard
>>
>>
>>
>> Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
>>
>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 20:13 skrev Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be>:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd go for an 8.33 kHz separation.
>>> Just a matter of time before it will be imposed in Europe.
>>> I have a German Filser Funkwerk.
>>>
>>> BR,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>>> On 27/08/14 19:57, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Would like to get some recomandations on which radio to instal in my 52.
>>>> Now have an becker but it will be replaced.
>>>>
>>>> Have a new in box PM1200 I/C I would use with a new radio.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards
>>>> Havard Dale
>>>> Norway
>>>>
>>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>>>
>>>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 09:02 skrev Yak-List Digest Server
>>>>> <yak-list@matronics.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>> *
>>>>>
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>>>>> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
>>>>> =================================================
>>>>>
>>>>> Today's complete Yak-List Digest can also be found in either of
>>>>> the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the
>>>>> Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and
>>>>> features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt
>>>>> file includes the plain ASCII version of the Yak-List Digest and
>>>>> can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> m
>>>>> l&Chap
>>>>> ter 14-08-26&Archive=Yak
>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> t
>>>>> &Chapt
>>>>> er 14-08-26&Archive=Yak
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>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>> ----------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. 08:21 AM - Re: Air system Flush (Todd McCutchan)
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I'd rather drink the ale.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Recomanded radio for Yak 52
Anyone have a URL for Funkwerks? When I google it here in the colonies I get a
Brewery in Fort Collins, Colorado that brews a Belgium Ale??!
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 28, 2014, at 12:29 PM, Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc@me.com> wrote:
>
>
> Jan, I did get the wiring harness with the radio. Using A/C grade RG 56 cable
I believe. Forget who made the antenna but nothing had been a problem until I
went to Taylor plug wires then all hell has gradually evolved.
> Now this noise is not throttle setting related but with the engine
> turned off it receives quit clearly? I know, kill the engine to
> receive! ;^0
>
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am perfectly satisfied with the Funkwerk, it is very good.
>> I'm also co-owner of a Yak 52. In the Yak 52 I installed the small
>> Becker with the PM1200 for intercom.
>> This also works flawlessly.
>> But I also replaced the complete cabling (audio cables, push-to-talk
>> cables, antenna cables).
>> If you have noise on the Becker, then you should look at the cabling.
>> Also: I connected all the mass cables on one point for a common mass
>> and made also sure that this mass point is well connected to the battery.
>>
>> Verifying and replacing the cables is quite a job of course, but not
>> so difficult.
>> You should check the cables before replacing the Becker.
>>
>> BR,
>>
>> Jan
>>
>> PS: consider buying the wiring harness offered as an option with the
>> radio or the PM 1200. It's generally of a very good quality.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 27/08/14 20:44, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>
>>> Hi Jan,
>>>
>>> Yes I to go for the 8,33 spacing now. Looking on the Garmin 225a or b.
>>> Problem is the dimension on depth.
>>>
>>> Are you satisfied with the Funkwerk? Problem now with the Becker is
>>> that it pick up to mutch noise from the Aircraft when reciving.
>>>
>>> BR
>>> Havard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
>>>
>>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 20:13 skrev Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd go for an 8.33 kHz separation.
>>>> Just a matter of time before it will be imposed in Europe.
>>>> I have a German Filser Funkwerk.
>>>>
>>>> BR,
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>>> On 27/08/14 19:57, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Would like to get some recomandations on which radio to instal in
>>>>> my 52.
>>>>> Now have an becker but it will be replaced.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a new in box PM1200 I/C I would use with a new radio.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> Havard Dale
>>>>> Norway
>>>>>
>>>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 09:02 skrev Yak-List Digest Server
>>>>>> <yak-list@matronics.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =================================================
>>>>>> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
>>>>>> =================================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today's complete Yak-List Digest can also be found in either of
>>>>>> the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the
>>>>>> Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and
>>>>>> features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt
>>>>>> file includes the plain ASCII version of the Yak-List Digest and
>>>>>> can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with
>>>>>> a web browser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTML Version:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=h
>>>>>> tml&Ch
>>>>>> ap
>>>>>> ter 14-08-26&Archive=Yak
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Text Version:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=t
>>>>>> xt&Cha
>>>>>> pt
>>>>>> er 14-08-26&Archive=Yak
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ===============================================
>>>>>> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
>>>>>> ===============================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Yak-List Digest Archive
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Total Messages Posted Tue 08/26/14: 1
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today's Message Index:
>>>>>> ----------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. 08:21 AM - Re: Air system Flush (Todd McCutchan)
>
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Copy all. Have added Filters just about everywhere. That got the reception pushed
out to about 10 miles in the clear but anything out farther was a buzz.
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 28, 2014, at 2:32 PM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
wrote:
>
>
> Roger that. I really should have been more definitive when I made that Becker
statement.
>
> There are two ways to get rid of radio noise. Eliminate the noise at the source,
or make an attempt to keep existing noise from getting into the radio.
>
> There is no question that the best way to keep ignition noise under control is
to use a gross shield for every wire and sparkplug. That is what the original
Russian design did. Every single wire was run inside of a metal tube, and
basically there was a solid metal shield surrounding every single place ignition
noise could leak out of. This is the best example of keeping noise under control
at the source, but it came with a price. The Russian spark plug wire was
very prone to deterioration and cross over coupling. An early attempt to address
this was to replace the Russian spark plug wires with silicone wires inside
of the original tube. This helped, but troubleshooting and repairing this
design was problematic to put it mildly.
>
> Then Dennis came out with the idea of replacing all of that with Taylor high
quality ignition wires, and automobile spark plugs. Anyone who has done this
modification knows that the engine runs MUCH better than it ever had before with
a good solid spark getting to the cylinders. But, there is no way open wiring
is going to be as quiet as wires inside of solid metal tube. So, the noise
floor was increased, and that is a price you have to pay.
>
> Another well-known source of noise is the P Leaks coming out of each Mag. These
must be perfectly shielded, by-passed, filtered (etc.) or once again you
raise the noise floor.
>
> Enter the P1000 digital tach from Horizon Instruments. This is a really cool
tach and works exceptionally well. However, the design requires the installer
to tap into P Leads from BOTH of the mags, and run that new wiring up to the
Tach. It is VERY easy when doing this to create a situation where even more
P lead noise "leaks out".
>
> The Becker radio is a good radio but there is no question that it is more susceptible
to noise than just about any other model radio I have ever had experience
with. Originally designed for gliders where weight was the most important
issue, and shielding against engine noise was not, this makes perfect sense.
>
> Some folks have had very good luck with Becker radios in YAK and CJ aircraft.
However, if you start adding new things to the airplane that increase the noise
floor, it will start "hearing" that noise before most other models would.
If you work hard enough, you can sometimes keep the noise under control enough
to keep using them. And sometimes you can't.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2014 1:13 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Recomanded radio for Yak 52
>
>
> Copy Mark. Got some glider types trying to populate our airport! Will make them
a deal. Sadly I have two!
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 10:13 AM, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
wrote:
>>
>> --> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> Almost next to impossible to fix this problem a Becker Doc. Sell it to a glider
pilot. He'll love it.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Kemp
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2014 3:18 PM
>> To: yak-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Recomanded radio for Yak 52
>>
>>
>> No kidding! My Becker has gotten to the point that can hardly hear what I receive.
Have tried shielding all of the incoming wiring and even thought about
shielding the case.
>> Doc
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Aug 27, 2014, at 1:44 PM, Hvard Dale <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> --> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>
>>> Hi Jan,
>>>
>>> Yes I to go for the 8,33 spacing now. Looking on the Garmin 225a or b. Problem
is the dimension on depth.
>>>
>>> Are you satisfied with the Funkwerk? Problem now with the Becker is that it
pick up to mutch noise from the Aircraft when reciving.
>>>
>>> BR
>>> Havard
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
>>>
>>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 20:13 skrev Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'd go for an 8.33 kHz separation.
>>>> Just a matter of time before it will be imposed in Europe.
>>>> I have a German Filser Funkwerk.
>>>>
>>>> BR,
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>>> On 27/08/14 19:57, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Would like to get some recomandations on which radio to instal in my 52.
>>>>> Now have an becker but it will be replaced.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a new in box PM1200 I/C I would use with a new radio.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> Havard Dale
>>>>> Norway
>>>>>
>>>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>>>>
>>>>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 09:02 skrev Yak-List Digest Server
>>>>>> <yak-list@matronics.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *
>>>>>>
>>>>>> =================================================
>>>>>> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
>>>>>> =================================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today's complete Yak-List Digest can also be found in either of
>>>>>> the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the
>>>>>> Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and
>>>>>> features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt
>>>>>> file includes the plain ASCII version of the Yak-List Digest and
>>>>>> can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTML Version:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=ht
>>>>>> m
>>>>>> l&Chap
>>>>>> ter 14-08-26&Archive=Yak
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Text Version:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=tx
>>>>>> t
>>>>>> &Chapt
>>>>>> er 14-08-26&Archive=Yak
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ===============================================
>>>>>> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
>>>>>> ===============================================
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> Yak-List Digest Archive
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Total Messages Posted Tue 08/26/14: 1
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today's Message Index:
>>>>>> ----------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. 08:21 AM - Re: Air system Flush (Todd McCutchan)
>
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Yes,it will Doc!
Hans O.
Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
> Op 28 aug. 2014 om 21:28 heeft Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc@me.com> het volgende geschreven:
>
>
> Will the Funkwerk interchange with the 2.5 in panel hole Becker is occupying
currently?
> Doc
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Hans Oortman <pa3arw@ziggo.nl> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Jan, Doc,
>>
>> As you know we have tested a Becker radio (the 25kHz spacing one) in the
>> workshop of my company. The Becker is simply not designed for such a
>> noisy(from electromagnetic field point of view) as the Yak52. It's been
>> designed for glider operation. It took me all kinds of tricks to get it free
>> of noise, I finally achieved it though but I am still going to change to a
>> new Funkwerk because we have to have 8.33kHz spacing anyway as of the first
>> of jan 2017.
>>
>> I'd change to a Funkwerk and have the wiring completely redone with proper
>> screening, common earth etc.
>>
>> Hans O.
>> PH-YAK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Op 28-08-14 19:49, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> schreef:
>>
>>>
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Thanks Hans. Figured you would Mark. *;^)
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On Aug 28, 2014, at 2:51 PM, Hans Oortman <pa3arw@ziggo.nl> wrote:
>
>
> Yes,it will Doc!
>
> Hans O.
>
> Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad
>
>> Op 28 aug. 2014 om 21:28 heeft Roger Kemp <f16viperdoc@me.com> het volgende
geschreven:
>>
>>
>> Will the Funkwerk interchange with the 2.5 in panel hole Becker is occupying
currently?
>> Doc
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Hans Oortman <pa3arw@ziggo.nl> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Jan, Doc,
>>>
>>> As you know we have tested a Becker radio (the 25kHz spacing one) in the
>>> workshop of my company. The Becker is simply not designed for such a
>>> noisy(from electromagnetic field point of view) as the Yak52. It's been
>>> designed for glider operation. It took me all kinds of tricks to get it free
>>> of noise, I finally achieved it though but I am still going to change to a
>>> new Funkwerk because we have to have 8.33kHz spacing anyway as of the first
>>> of jan 2017.
>>>
>>> I'd change to a Funkwerk and have the wiring completely redone with proper
>>> screening, common earth etc.
>>>
>>> Hans O.
>>> PH-YAK
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Op 28-08-14 19:49, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> schreef:
>>>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | YAK52 to share... |
Gents,
Since a year I have 2 places in the world where I live: Daytona Beach(Holly
Hill) and the Netherlands.
In Holland I have my Yak52 PH-YAK, see photo.
In the US I still have nothing to fly in with the exception of a Piper which
I can rent here or there. This does not compare to flying a YAK52 but at
least I keep my license current.
Nevertheless I want to see if I can find someone to fly with, buy a share in
some one elses YAK52 or fly with somebody and share the cost.
Is there anybody on the list in the Daytona Area interested to consider this
or does anybody know of somebody who might be interested in that??
Please contact me off list: yakpilot52@gmail.com
Thanks!
Hans O.
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Absolutely!
Jan
On 28/08/14 21:28, "Roger Kemp" <f16viperdoc@me.com> wrote:
>
>Will the Funkwerk interchange with the 2.5 in panel hole Becker is
>occupying currently?
>Doc
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Hans Oortman <pa3arw@ziggo.nl> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Jan, Doc,
>>
>> As you know we have tested a Becker radio (the 25kHz spacing one) in the
>> workshop of my company. The Becker is simply not designed for such a
>> noisy(from electromagnetic field point of view) as the Yak52. It's been
>> designed for glider operation. It took me all kinds of tricks to get it
>>free
>> of noise, I finally achieved it though but I am still going to change
>>to a
>> new Funkwerk because we have to have 8.33kHz spacing anyway as of the
>>first
>> of jan 2017.
>>
>> I'd change to a Funkwerk and have the wiring completely redone with
>>proper
>> screening, common earth etc.
>>
>> Hans O.
>> PH-YAK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Op 28-08-14 19:49, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> schreef:
>>
>>>
>>> Well, I also had more noise when I installed the Taylor plug wires, but
>>> then I still had the original Russian radio (a Briz).
>>>
>>> Uninstalling the 8mm cables was not an option, so I replaced the Briz
>>>by a
>>> Becker.
>>>
>>> I took the time to replace ALL the radio wiring (audio, mike,
>>> push-to-talk, antenna, power supply) and also paid attention to have a
>>> good, common earth connection.
>>>
>>> I'm far from a specialist in avionics (Mark is the real specialist).
>>>So I
>>> suppose I was lucky.
>>>
>>> Afterwards I replaced the Becker by a Funkwerk ATR833 because I wanted
>>>an
>>> 8.33 kHz separation and the Funkwerk was a good buy for the money.
>>>
>>> Then I installed my "old" Becker + a PM1200 on our Yak 52.
>>>
>>> There too I replaced ALL the audio wiring and made sure to have one
>>> single, good earthing connection point.
>>>
>>> I don't claim that this is the better way to do it (Mark?) but it
>>>worked
>>> for me.
>>>
>>> Our Yak 52 also has Dennis' plug wires.
>>>
>>> The installation on my Yak 50 (including my Garrecht transponder) is
>>> checked and approved by a specialized EASA 145 company (imposed by the
>>> French CAA).
>>>
>>>
>>> BR,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 28/08/14 19:29, "Roger Kemp" <f16viperdoc@me.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jan, I did get the wiring harness with the radio. Using A/C grade RG
>>>>56
>>>> cable I believe. Forget who made the antenna but nothing had been a
>>>> problem until I went to Taylor plug wires then all hell has gradually
>>>> evolved.
>>>> Now this noise is not throttle setting related but with the engine
>>>>turned
>>>> off it receives quit clearly? I know, kill the engine to receive! ;^0
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am perfectly satisfied with the Funkwerk, it is very good.
>>>>> I'm also co-owner of a Yak 52. In the Yak 52 I installed the small
>>>>> Becker
>>>>> with the PM1200 for intercom.
>>>>> This also works flawlessly.
>>>>> But I also replaced the complete cabling (audio cables, push-to-talk
>>>>> cables, antenna cables).
>>>>> If you have noise on the Becker, then you should look at the cabling.
>>>>> Also: I connected all the mass cables on one point for a common mass
>>>>>and
>>>>> made also sure that this mass point is well connected to the battery.
>>>>>
>>>>> Verifying and replacing the cables is quite a job of course, but not
>>>>>so
>>>>> difficult.
>>>>> You should check the cables before replacing the Becker.
>>>>>
>>>>> BR,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: consider buying the wiring harness offered as an option with the
>>>>> radio
>>>>> or the PM 1200. It's generally of a very good quality.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27/08/14 20:44, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes I to go for the 8,33 spacing now. Looking on the Garmin 225a or
>>>>>>b.
>>>>>> Problem is the dimension on depth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you satisfied with the Funkwerk? Problem now with the Becker is
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> it pick up to mutch noise from the Aircraft when reciving.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BR
>>>>>> Havard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 20:13 skrev Jan Mevis
>>>>>>><jan.mevis@informavia.be>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd go for an 8.33 kHz separation.
>>>>>>> Just a matter of time before it will be imposed in Europe.
>>>>>>> I have a German Filser Funkwerk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BR,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 27/08/14 19:57, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would like to get some recomandations on which radio to instal in
>>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>> 52.
>>>>>>>> Now have an becker but it will be replaced.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have a new in box PM1200 I/C I would use with a new radio.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>> Havard Dale
>>>>>>>> Norway
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>>>>>>>
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Try funkwerk-usa.com
Jan
On 28/08/14 21:28, "Roger Kemp" <f16viperdoc@me.com> wrote:
>
>Will the Funkwerk interchange with the 2.5 in panel hole Becker is
>occupying currently?
>Doc
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Hans Oortman <pa3arw@ziggo.nl> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Jan, Doc,
>>
>> As you know we have tested a Becker radio (the 25kHz spacing one) in the
>> workshop of my company. The Becker is simply not designed for such a
>> noisy(from electromagnetic field point of view) as the Yak52. It's been
>> designed for glider operation. It took me all kinds of tricks to get it
>>free
>> of noise, I finally achieved it though but I am still going to change
>>to a
>> new Funkwerk because we have to have 8.33kHz spacing anyway as of the
>>first
>> of jan 2017.
>>
>> I'd change to a Funkwerk and have the wiring completely redone with
>>proper
>> screening, common earth etc.
>>
>> Hans O.
>> PH-YAK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Op 28-08-14 19:49, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be> schreef:
>>
>>>
>>> Well, I also had more noise when I installed the Taylor plug wires, but
>>> then I still had the original Russian radio (a Briz).
>>>
>>> Uninstalling the 8mm cables was not an option, so I replaced the Briz
>>>by a
>>> Becker.
>>>
>>> I took the time to replace ALL the radio wiring (audio, mike,
>>> push-to-talk, antenna, power supply) and also paid attention to have a
>>> good, common earth connection.
>>>
>>> I'm far from a specialist in avionics (Mark is the real specialist).
>>>So I
>>> suppose I was lucky.
>>>
>>> Afterwards I replaced the Becker by a Funkwerk ATR833 because I wanted
>>>an
>>> 8.33 kHz separation and the Funkwerk was a good buy for the money.
>>>
>>> Then I installed my "old" Becker + a PM1200 on our Yak 52.
>>>
>>> There too I replaced ALL the audio wiring and made sure to have one
>>> single, good earthing connection point.
>>>
>>> I don't claim that this is the better way to do it (Mark?) but it
>>>worked
>>> for me.
>>>
>>> Our Yak 52 also has Dennis' plug wires.
>>>
>>> The installation on my Yak 50 (including my Garrecht transponder) is
>>> checked and approved by a specialized EASA 145 company (imposed by the
>>> French CAA).
>>>
>>>
>>> BR,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 28/08/14 19:29, "Roger Kemp" <f16viperdoc@me.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jan, I did get the wiring harness with the radio. Using A/C grade RG
>>>>56
>>>> cable I believe. Forget who made the antenna but nothing had been a
>>>> problem until I went to Taylor plug wires then all hell has gradually
>>>> evolved.
>>>> Now this noise is not throttle setting related but with the engine
>>>>turned
>>>> off it receives quit clearly? I know, kill the engine to receive! ;^0
>>>>
>>>> Doc
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 12:43 AM, Jan Mevis <jan.mevis@informavia.be>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am perfectly satisfied with the Funkwerk, it is very good.
>>>>> I'm also co-owner of a Yak 52. In the Yak 52 I installed the small
>>>>> Becker
>>>>> with the PM1200 for intercom.
>>>>> This also works flawlessly.
>>>>> But I also replaced the complete cabling (audio cables, push-to-talk
>>>>> cables, antenna cables).
>>>>> If you have noise on the Becker, then you should look at the cabling.
>>>>> Also: I connected all the mass cables on one point for a common mass
>>>>>and
>>>>> made also sure that this mass point is well connected to the battery.
>>>>>
>>>>> Verifying and replacing the cables is quite a job of course, but not
>>>>>so
>>>>> difficult.
>>>>> You should check the cables before replacing the Becker.
>>>>>
>>>>> BR,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan
>>>>>
>>>>> PS: consider buying the wiring harness offered as an option with the
>>>>> radio
>>>>> or the PM 1200. It's generally of a very good quality.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 27/08/14 20:44, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jan,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes I to go for the 8,33 spacing now. Looking on the Garmin 225a or
>>>>>>b.
>>>>>> Problem is the dimension on depth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are you satisfied with the Funkwerk? Problem now with the Becker is
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> it pick up to mutch noise from the Aircraft when reciving.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BR
>>>>>> Havard
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sendt fra min iPhone 4S
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 20:13 skrev Jan Mevis
>>>>>>><jan.mevis@informavia.be>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd go for an 8.33 kHz separation.
>>>>>>> Just a matter of time before it will be imposed in Europe.
>>>>>>> I have a German Filser Funkwerk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BR,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 27/08/14 19:57, "Hvard Dale" <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <havard.dale@yaknorway.com>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Would like to get some recomandations on which radio to instal in
>>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>> 52.
>>>>>>>> Now have an becker but it will be replaced.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have a new in box PM1200 I/C I would use with a new radio.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>> Havard Dale
>>>>>>>> Norway
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sendt fra min iPad
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Den 27. aug. 2014 kl. 09:02 skrev Yak-List Digest Server
>>>>>>>>> <yak-list@matronics.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> =================================================
>>>>>>>>> Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive
>>>>>>>>> =================================================
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Today's complete Yak-List Digest can also be found in either of
>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>> two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest
>>>>>>>>> formatted
>>>>>>>>> in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked
>>>>>>>>> Indexes
>>>>>>>>> and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII
>>>>>>>>> version
>>>>>>>>> of the Yak-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text
>>>>>>>>>editor
>>>>>>>>> such as Notepad or with a web browser.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> HTML Version:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=ht
>>>>>>>>>ml&
>>>>>>>>> Ch
>>>>>>>>> ap
>>>>>>>>> ter 14-08-26&Archive=Yak
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Text Version:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=tx
>>>>>>>>>t&C
>>>>>>>>> ha
>>>>>>>>> pt
>>>>>>>>> er 14-08-26&Archive=Yak
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ===============================================
>>>>>>>>> EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive
>>>>>>>>> ===============================================
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>> Yak-List Digest Archive
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>> Total Messages Posted Tue 08/26/14: 1
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Today's Message Index:
>>>>>>>>> ----------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 1. 08:21 AM - Re: Air system Flush (Todd McCutchan)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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