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1. 10:51 AM - Re: KAYS (Waycross, GA) Formation Clinic (Bill Yakrobatics)
2. 11:52 AM - Re: Re: KAYS (Waycross, GA) Formation Clinic (Ernest Martinez)
3. 02:26 PM - Program Letter (Ernest Martinez)
4. 02:49 PM - Re: Program Letter (Richard Hess)
5. 03:35 PM - Re: Program Letter (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
6. 03:53 PM - Re: Program Letter (billygeipel)
7. 05:58 PM - Re: Program Letter (Mike Holoman)
8. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: KAYS (Waycross, GA) Formation Clinic (migfighter42)
9. 06:42 PM - Re: Program Letter (Ernest Martinez)
10. 07:39 PM - Re: Re: KAYS (Waycross, GA) Formation Clinic (j blake)
11. 08:38 PM - Re: Re: KAYS (Waycross, GA) Formation Clinic (Roger Kemp)
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| Subject: | Re: KAYS (Waycross, GA) Formation Clinic |
Yo Ho and a bottle of Rum!
Sent from Bill's iPhone
> On Sep 5, 2014, at 11:05 PM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
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> Troops, RPA & T-34
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> Pass the word.
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> We're planning on having a formation clinic at KAYS (Waycross, Ga.) on Oct
. 9 - 12. I hope to do the ground school the afternoon of the 9th. FNGs sh
ould come having read ALL the material. We try to get as many of the FPRs o
ut of the way as possible. I expect a number of FNGs from the T-34 group so
there will be mixed formations which is good training. We'll try to get so
me Mass Formation practice in also. The AYS FBO is ready for us. The plan i
s to keep it simple and fly as much as possible. I have not set up the hote
l yet (mostly likely will be the Holiday Inn) but reservation will be up to y
ou. I'm planning on having sandwiches and drinks on hand for lunches. Righ
t now the fee will be $50.00/person. There will be one banquet night, (righ
t now planning on the Italian place) each will pay their individual bill.
>
> I have not been able to list the event on the RPA web site so far. (me and
the Internet at odds) so pass this on.
> I need a head count. Email me.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
> cjpilot710@aol.com
> 386-559-1942c
> 386-467-3313h
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| Subject: | Re: KAYS (Waycross, GA) Formation Clinic |
Count me in!
On Saturday, September 6, 2014, Bill Yakrobatics <bill@yakrobatics.com>
wrote:
> Yo Ho and a bottle of Rum!
>
> Sent from Bill's iPhone
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> On Sep 5, 2014, at 11:05 PM, cjpilot710@aol.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cjpilot710@aol.com');> wrote:
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> Troops, RPA & T-34
>
>
> Pass the word.
>
> We're planning on having a formation clinic at *KAYS (Waycross, Ga.) on
> Oct. 9 - 12. * I hope to do the ground school the afternoon of the 9th.
> FNGs should come having read ALL the material. We try to get as many of
> the FPRs out of the way as possible. I expect a number of FNGs from the
> T-34 group so there will be mixed formations which is good training. We'll
> try to get some Mass Formation practice in also. The AYS FBO is ready for
> us. The plan is to keep it simple and fly as much as possible. I have not
> set up the hotel yet (mostly likely will be the Holiday Inn) but
> reservation will be up to you. I'm planning on having sandwiches and
> drinks on hand for lunches. Right now the fee will be $50.00/person.
> There will be one banquet night, (right now planning on the Italian place)
> each will pay their individual bill.
>
> I have not been able to list the event on the RPA web site so far. (me and
> the Internet at odds) so pass this on.
> I need a head count. Email me.
>
> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>
> cjpilot710@aol.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','cjpilot710@aol.com');>
> 386-559-1942c
> 386-467-3313h
>
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> *
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> *
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I just got a letter from my friendly and knowledgeable FSDO in response to
my first program letter that I sent them. I was told that my letter did not
meet the requirements of 8130.2 chapter 4 section 10, which only states
that I need to provide the local FSDO with a Program Letter. It provides no
requirement for the content or format of the Program Letter.
The letter ends stating that the FSDO cannot accept my program letter, and
I need to re-submit a new one that meets the info required in 8130.
Correct me if I'm off base here, but a Program Letter merely informs the
FAA of my INTENT, and is not anything subject to approval or denial.
Apparently my letter must have ended up on the guys desk that never did
this before.
Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
Earnie
There should be guidance and an example in the 8130.2G but it does now have a
specific format the FSDOs are using more and more.
Richard Hess
C 404-964-4885
> On Sep 6, 2014, at 17:24, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I just got a letter from my friendly and knowledgeable FSDO in response to
my first program letter that I sent them. I was told that my letter did not
meet the requirements of 8130.2 chapter 4 section 10, which only states tha
t I need to provide the local FSDO with a Program Letter. It provides no req
uirement for the content or format of the Program Letter.
>
> The letter ends stating that the FSDO cannot accept my program letter, and
I need to re-submit a new one that meets the info required in 8130.
>
> Correct me if I'm off base here, but a Program Letter merely informs the FA
A of my INTENT, and is not anything subject to approval or denial.
>
> Apparently my letter must have ended up on the guys desk that never did th
is before.
>
> Ernie
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The EAA can also give you a hand with this...
But of course they would kind of expect you to be a member.
Mark Bitterlich
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Hess
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Program Letter
Earnie
There should be guidance and an example in the 8130.2G but it does now have a specific
format the FSDOs are using more and more.
Richard Hess
C 404-964-4885
On Sep 6, 2014, at 17:24, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
I just got a letter from my friendly and knowledgeable FSDO in response
to my first program letter that I sent them. I was told that my letter did not
meet the requirements of 8130.2 chapter 4 section 10, which only states that
I need to provide the local FSDO with a Program Letter. It provides no requirement
for the content or format of the Program Letter.
The letter ends stating that the FSDO cannot accept my program letter,
and I need to re-submit a new one that meets the info required in 8130.
Correct me if I'm off base here, but a Program Letter merely informs the
FAA of my INTENT, and is not anything subject to approval or denial.
Apparently my letter must have ended up on the guys desk that never did
this before.
Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
Ask him what's he wants.
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 7, 2014, at 7:33, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
wrote:
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> The EAA can also give you a hand with this...
>
> But of course they would kind of expect you to be a member.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Hess
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 5:48 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Program Letter
>
> Earnie
> There should be guidance and an example in the 8130.2G but it does now have a
specific format the FSDOs are using more and more.
>
> Richard Hess
> C 404-964-4885
>
> On Sep 6, 2014, at 17:24, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I just got a letter from my friendly and knowledgeable FSDO in response
to my first program letter that I sent them. I was told that my letter did not
meet the requirements of 8130.2 chapter 4 section 10, which only states that
I need to provide the local FSDO with a Program Letter. It provides no requirement
for the content or format of the Program Letter.
>
> The letter ends stating that the FSDO cannot accept my program letter,
and I need to re-submit a new one that meets the info required in 8130.
>
> Correct me if I'm off base here, but a Program Letter merely informs the
FAA of my INTENT, and is not anything subject to approval or denial.
>
> Apparently my letter must have ended up on the guys desk that never did
this before.
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> Ernie
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Please try clicking on the link I have included below. If anyone has troubl
e with this link I could send a copy of the FAA's actual letter=2C requirem
ents included=2C from their own office. I got the rejection letter from the
FAA in 2010 rejecting the prior form I had used for the previous 10 years.
I am not sure why they had a change of requirement. I insisted they give m
e exactly what they wanted=2C and they did. This one you just fill it out a
nd copy them. They must accept it=2C it is theirs. By the way the FAA order
is slightly different than that listed below. Should be 8130.2F chapter 10
paragraph 159=2C sub-paragraph (b)(1) on page 170 and Paragraph 161 sub-pa
ragraph (37) on page 178. A bunch of bolonga but there it is and here is th
e link. Hope this helps.http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/f
sdo/roc/local_more/media/Program%20Letter%20Form.docRegards=2C Mike
> From: l129bs@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Program Letter
> Date: Sun=2C 7 Sep 2014 07:51:37 +0900
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
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> Ask him what's he wants.
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> Sent from my iPad
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> > On Sep 7=2C 2014=2C at 7:33=2C "Bitterlich=2C Mark G CIV NAVAIR=2C WD"
<mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
> >
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> > The EAA can also give you a hand with this...
> >
> > But of course they would kind of expect you to be a member.
> >
> > Mark Bitterlich
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server
@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Hess
> > Sent: Saturday=2C September 06=2C 2014 5:48 PM
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Program Letter
> >
> > Earnie
> > There should be guidance and an example in the 8130.2G but it does now
have a specific format the FSDOs are using more and more.
> >
> > Richard Hess
> > C 404-964-4885
> >
> > On Sep 6=2C 2014=2C at 17:24=2C Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wr
ote:
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> > I just got a letter from my friendly and knowledgeable FSDO in r
esponse to my first program letter that I sent them. I was told that my let
ter did not meet the requirements of 8130.2 chapter 4 section 10=2C which o
nly states that I need to provide the local FSDO with a Program Letter. It
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> > The letter ends stating that the FSDO cannot accept my program l
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
Mike,
8130.2F has been superseded by 8130.2G. This new directive does not require
issuance of a new AW cert or Ops limitations upon sale of aircraft or
change of home base.
Ernie
On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Mike Holoman <mikeholoman@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Please try clicking on the link I have included below. If anyone has
> trouble with this link I could send a copy of the FAA's actual letter,
> requirements included, from their own office. I got the rejection letter
> from the FAA in 2010 rejecting the prior form I had used for the previous
> 10 years. I am not sure why they had a change of requirement. I insisted
> they give me exactly what they wanted, and they did. This one you just fill
> it out and copy them. They must accept it, it is theirs. By the way the FAA
> order is slightly different than that listed below. Should be 8130.2F
> chapter 10 paragraph 159, sub-paragraph (b)(1) on page 170 and Paragraph
> 161 sub-paragraph (37) on page 178. A bunch of bolonga but there it is and
> here is the link. Hope this helps.
>
> http://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/field_offices/fsdo/roc/local_more/media/Program%20Letter%20Form.doc
> Regards, Mike
>
> > From: l129bs@gmail.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Program Letter
> > Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 07:51:37 +0900
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
>
> >
> >
> > Ask him what's he wants.
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> > > On Sep 7, 2014, at 7:33, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <
> mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
> > >
> mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
> > >
> > > The EAA can also give you a hand with this...
> > >
> > > But of course they would kind of expect you to be a member.
> > >
> > > Mark Bitterlich
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Hess
> > > Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 5:48 PM
> > > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Program Letter
> > >
> > > Earnie
> > > There should be guidance and an example in the 8130.2G but it does now
> have a specific format the FSDOs are using more and more.
> > >
> > > Richard Hess
> > > C 404-964-4885
> > >
> > > On Sep 6, 2014, at 17:24, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I just got a letter from my friendly and knowledgeable FSDO in
> response to my first program letter that I sent them. I was told that my
> letter did not meet the requirements of 8130.2 chapter 4 section 10, which
> only states that I need to provide the local FSDO with a Program Letter. It
> provides no requirement for the content or format of the Program Letter.
> > >
> > > The letter ends stating that the FSDO cannot accept my program letter,
> and I need to re-submit a new one that meets the info required in 8130.
> > >
> > > Correct me if I'm off base here, but a Program Letter merely informs
> the FAA of my INTENT, and is not anything subject to approval or denial.
> > >
> > > Apparently my letter must have ended up on the guys desk that never
> did this before.
> > >
> > > Ernie
> > >
> > >
> > >
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| Subject: | Re: KAYS (Waycross, GA) Formation Clinic |
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| Subject: | Re: KAYS (Waycross, GA) Formation Clinic |
Only if you bring it. And, it has to be chilled. We used to do ours in the t
ravel pod. ;^)). Sic....
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 6, 2014, at 9:37 PM, j blake <jblake207@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Hey Pappy. JB will there with a bottle of JW... Giddy up! Saber
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>
>
> Bill Yakrobatics <bill@yakrobatics.com> wrote:
>
> Yo Ho and a bottle of Rum!
>
> Sent from Bill's iPhone
>
>
>> On Sep 5, 2014, at 11:05 PM, cjpilot710@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> Troops, RPA & T-34
>>
>>
>> Pass the word.
>>
>> We're planning on having a formation clinic at KAYS (Waycross, Ga.) on Oc
t. 9 - 12. I hope to do the ground school the afternoon of the 9th. FNGs s
hould come having read ALL the material. We try to get as many of the FPRs o
ut of the way as possible. I expect a number of FNGs from the T-34 group so
there will be mixed formations which is good training. We'll try to get so
me Mass Formation practice in also. The AYS FBO is ready for us. The plan i
s to keep it simple and fly as much as possible. I have not set up the hote
l yet (mostly likely will be the Holiday Inn) but reservation will be up to y
ou. I'm planning on having sandwiches and drinks on hand for lunches. Righ
t now the fee will be $50.00/person. There will be one banquet night, (righ
t now planning on the Italian place) each will pay their individual bill.
>>
>> I have not been able to list the event on the RPA web site so far. (me an
d the Internet at odds) so pass this on.
>> I need a head count. Email me.
>>
>> Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
>>
>> cjpilot710@aol.com
>> 386-559-1942c
>> 386-467-3313h
>
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