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1. 07:18 AM - Re: Program Letter (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD)
2. 07:28 AM - Re: Program Letter (Ernest Martinez)
3. 03:31 PM - Re: Program Letter (billygeipel)
4. 05:57 PM - Re: Program Letter (j blake)
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Bill, not trying to debate the issue, and your mileage may vary depending on what
FSDO you are dealing with, but it has been my experience to NEVER ask the
FAA what they want. No really, not EVER. You may get the shock of your life
when they give you an answer you never expected and subsequently you are now
in a position where you either have to comply or debate the issue. Debating
with the FAA is never a good idea.
The best course of action in this and just about every other case, is to know the
rules and regulations yourself and go from there.
Now I am going to say something that may raise some ire, but I hope not. Every
single CJ/Yak/Sukhoi owner on this list that is flying in the United States
owns an Experimental aircraft. Experimental Exhibition to be exact. The one
combined voice we all have is the Experimental Aircraft Association. How anyone
could pay between 40 to well over 100 grand on an aircraft, and then NOT
be a member of the EAA just astounds me. These people (the EAA) do nothing but
fight for your rights, try to expand your privileges and are 100% member oriented.
I hear constant tales of the good times people have flying to Oshkosh,
and Red Star has also proudly participated in this event. The EAA also sponsors
War Birds of America, the International Aerobatic Association, and more.
Their Government Branch, specifically Randy Hanson (and his crew) are a phone call
away from answering this exact question, with more than just personal opinion
(and experience), but instead with up to date material backed up with a direct
link to the Washington D.C. FAA branch, which supersedes ALL of our local
FSDO's.
I am sure that Ernie can eventually get an answer from the Yak List, or he can
solve this matter on his own, but that does not change the fact that there is
no better way to get answers concerning FAA actions such as this than the Experimental
Aircraft Association in the good ole U.S. of A.
In my opinion, every owner of an Experimental aircraft should feel a certain responsibility
to be a member of the EAA. It is a very small price to pay for
an organization that fights for our rights to continue to fly these very special
aircraft that all of us are lucky enough to own and those that do not believe
that ought to contact Richard Goode and have him compare how it is in Europe
to the United States.
That said, I am 100% sure that the EAA will answer Ernie's question... member or
not. They are but a phone call, or email away Ernie.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of billygeipel
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Program Letter
Ask him what's he wants.
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 7, 2014, at 7:33, "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
wrote:
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> --> <mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
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> The EAA can also give you a hand with this...
>
> But of course they would kind of expect you to be a member.
>
> Mark Bitterlich
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard Hess
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 5:48 PM
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Program Letter
>
> Earnie
> There should be guidance and an example in the 8130.2G but it does now have a
specific format the FSDOs are using more and more.
>
> Richard Hess
> C 404-964-4885
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> On Sep 6, 2014, at 17:24, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I just got a letter from my friendly and knowledgeable FSDO in response
to my first program letter that I sent them. I was told that my letter did not
meet the requirements of 8130.2 chapter 4 section 10, which only states that
I need to provide the local FSDO with a Program Letter. It provides no requirement
for the content or format of the Program Letter.
>
> The letter ends stating that the FSDO cannot accept my program letter,
and I need to re-submit a new one that meets the info required in 8130.
>
> Correct me if I'm off base here, but a Program Letter merely informs the
FAA of my INTENT, and is not anything subject to approval or denial.
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> Apparently my letter must have ended up on the guys desk that never did
this before.
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> Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
Mark,
I agree, I got the information on 8130.2G from the EAA Website. I replied
to the FSDO with precisely what the FAA order prescribes, and referred to
the appropriate chapter and verse, which supports my position.
Ernie
On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD <
mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
> mark.bitterlich@navy.mil>
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> Bill, not trying to debate the issue, and your mileage may vary depending
> on what FSDO you are dealing with, but it has been my experience to NEVER
> ask the FAA what they want. No really, not EVER. You may get the shock
> of your life when they give you an answer you never expected and
> subsequently you are now in a position where you either have to comply or
> debate the issue. Debating with the FAA is never a good idea.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Program Letter |
5 FSDO's 40 experimental/exhibition imports certified.
But I guess you never know. Ernie got the guy who wanted to make a name for h
imself.
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 8, 2014, at 23:26, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Mark,
>
> I agree, I got the information on 8130.2G from the EAA Website. I replied t
o the FSDO with precisely what the FAA order prescribes, and referred to the
appropriate chapter and verse, which supports my position.
>
> Ernie
>
>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD <mark.
bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote:
.bitterlich@navy.mil>
>>
>> Bill, not trying to debate the issue, and your mileage may vary depending
on what FSDO you are dealing with, but it has been my experience to NEVER a
sk the FAA what they want. No really, not EVER. You may get the shock of y
our life when they give you an answer you never expected and subsequently yo
u are now in a position where you either have to comply or debate the issue.
Debating with the FAA is never a good idea.
>
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