---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/09/14: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:14 PM - Re: Program Letter (Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD) 2. 12:37 PM - Re: Program Letter (Ernest Martinez) 3. 02:18 PM - Russian retreads (Pilotdog57) 4. 07:29 PM - Re: Program Letter (billygeipel) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:46 PM PST US From: "Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Program Letter "Our idea of a good time is making sure you don't have one. " A quote I suspect applies to many government agencies. -----Original Message----- From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of billygeipel Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 6:31 PM Subject: Re: Yak-List: Program Letter 5 FSDO's 40 experimental/exhibition imports certified. But I guess you never know. Ernie got the guy who wanted to make a name for himself. Sent from my iPad On Sep 8, 2014, at 23:26, Ernest Martinez wrote: Mark, I agree, I got the information on 8130.2G from the EAA Website. I replied to the FSDO with precisely what the FAA order prescribes, and referred to the appropriate chapter and verse, which supports my position. Ernie On Mon, Sep 8, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD wrote: Bill, not trying to debate the issue, and your mileage may vary depending on what FSDO you are dealing with, but it has been my experience to NEVER ask the FAA what they want. No really, not EVER. You may get the shock of your life when they give you an answer you never expected and subsequently you are now in a position where you either have to comply or debate the issue. Debating with the FAA is never a good idea. D============================================ ist"">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List D============================================ //forums.matronics.com D============================================ ot;">http://www.matronics.com/contribution D============================================ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:47 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Program Letter From: Ernest Martinez In the end everything worked out fine, the FSDO guy called me this morning and was quite pleasant. He did point out an error on my existing Ops Limits, which had my CJ categorized as a Group III aircraft (>12,500lbs and >800 HP). Otherwise he started out wanting my Chief mechanics name, and my Approved Maintenance plan, and other items which did not apply. Once I walked him through the order and explained that my aircraft did not require a maintenance plan, and that I was a group II aircraft, and that I did not need to provide all the items listed in "Initial Certification" and that I was no longer in Phase I, and that I was not asking for a change in my Ops Limits, he agreed with everything and we were done. Sometimes it just takes a little patience, something I'm not known for :) Ernie On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD < mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> wrote: > mark.bitterlich@navy.mil> > > > "Our idea of a good time is making sure you don't have one. " > > A quote I suspect applies to many government agencies. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:20 PM PST US From: Pilotdog57 Subject: Yak-List: Russian retreads I stopped by Dresser tire and dropped off some tires to be recapped. While there I specifically brought up the issue of retreading the Russian 500-150 tires. The salesman went to the supervisor and returned with a reply that they WILL recap the Russian tires. They do inspect them for defects, just like any other tire they might potentially recap, and claim they noticed a higher reject rate for the Russian Vs Chinese carcasses. They have a data sheet on their website that shows the inspection for non qualifying tires- maybe a good thing to do before sending in your tires. Doug Z Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:49 PM PST US From: billygeipel Subject: Re: Yak-List: Program Letter Like I said, ask him or help to educate them. They will actually help you. B ut if you go in with the "attitude" then it's never going to work. Like it o r not, these folks hold the key to your airplane. So getting along is always a good thing. Don't you think? 40 certifications with no problems. One FSDO asked if they could come and watch a gear swing so they could understand wh at they were looking at. Education crosses a lot of bridges. However, there w ill always be one of those not so sweet apples in the bunch. Just like there are some not so sweet apples in our pilot bunch. Glad it worked out Ernie. Bill Sent from my iPad > On Sep 10, 2014, at 4:35, Ernest Martinez wrote: > > In the end everything worked out fine, the FSDO guy called me this morning and was quite pleasant. He did point out an error on my existing Ops Limits , which had my CJ categorized as a Group III aircraft (>12,500lbs and >800 H P). Otherwise he started out wanting my Chief mechanics name, and my Approve d Maintenance plan, and other items which did not apply. Once I walked him t hrough the order and explained that my aircraft did not require a maintenanc e plan, and that I was a group II aircraft, and that I did not need to provi de all the items listed in "Initial Certification" and that I was no longer i n Phase I, and that I was not asking for a change in my Ops Limits, he agree d with everything and we were done. > > Sometimes it just takes a little patience, something I'm not known for :) > > Ernie > > > > > >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2014 at 3:13 PM, Bitterlich, Mark G CIV NAVAIR, WD wrote: .bitterlich@navy.mil> >> >> >> >> "Our idea of a good time is making sure you don't have one. 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