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2. 04:40 AM - Re: Aeroquip Hose (A. Dennis Savarese)
3. 05:21 AM - Re: Aeroquip Hose (Ernie Martinez)
4. 05:42 AM - Re: Aeroquip Hose (bill wade)
5. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Aeroquip Hose (doug sapp)
6. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: Aeroquip Hose (A. Dennis Savarese)
7. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Aeroquip Hose (Walter Lannon)
8. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: Aeroquip Hose (A. Dennis Savarese)
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroquip Hose |
Bill,
The mandrels for the 491-x fittings have absolutely nothing to do with the B nuts.
The mandrel is used to assist in fitting the barrel into the hose. The B
nuts that come in the package with the 491-x fittings are loose B nuts that slide
over the barrel of the fitting. If you look closely at the fitting, you
will see that the B nut is loose. You simply slide the AN B nut off the barrel
and replace it with the metric B nut. Enlarge the photo in the link and you
will see the B nut is loose on the barrel.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/aq491.php
.
I have made dozens of these hoses using the Aeroquip 491-4 and -5 fittings with
the appropriate size Aeroquip 303-4 and -5 hose and appropriate mandrel.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/aqmandrel.php
Dennis
________________________________
From: Bill vH <billvh@beanddi.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 12:58 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Aeroquip Hose
Dennis,
I have looked all over (including ACS) and have never found any assembly mandrels
that have metric threads allowing you to thread on the metric B-nut and then
thread that into the hose.
I guess I don't understand why you would even buy a AN 491-X fitting if you were
going to use the metric B-nut. I just made my own assembly mandrel with an appropriate
size metric bolt on a lathe.
What am I missing here?
Bill
[quote="dsavarese0812(at)bellsout"]Use Aeroquip 303 hose with AN491-x fitting.
Throw away the AN nut from the 491-x and use the metric B-nut on the 491-x fitting.
Use the appropriate size mandril for the 491-x fitting available from Spruce
if you don't already have them.
Dennis
On Sep 20, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Ernest Martinez wrote:
> Has anyone been able to use the Chinese B-Nuts on Flexible hose like Aeroquip
666? I'd like to know what mandrels, etc I would need to make this work.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Ernie
>
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> >
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The -3 size hose and fitting is too small. You need the -4 size hose and fitting.
The barrel of the 491-4 fitting mates with the metric B nut very nicely.
The barrel of the -3 fitting is too small and will probably slide right out of
the hole in the metric nut.
Dennis
________________________________
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip Hose
Thanks Dennis, the question was will the 303-3 hose with the AN 491-3 work?
Ernie
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 10:52 AM, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
I use Aeroquip 303-4 hoses and AN491-4 fittings. The metric B nut fits very nicely
in place of the AN B nut on the 491-4 fitting.
>
>
>The 303 hose works very well. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.
>Dennis
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>To: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 6:30 AM
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip Hose
>
>
>
>Dennis,
>
>
>Do you think that a 303-3 hose would be sufficient for our air system?
>
>
>What I'd like to do is use hose pig tails off of things like the flap valve where
it is located in tight spots. The 666 hose would have fit the bill nicely,
but the nuts can't be replaced. I'm concerned that the 303 hose is a bit bulky.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Ernie
>
>
>On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 10:55 PM, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>
>Use Aeroquip 303 hose with AN491-x fitting. Throw away the AN nut from the 491-x
and use the metric B-nut on the 491-x fitting. Use the appropriate size mandril
for the 491-x fitting available from Spruce if you don't already have them.
>>Dennis
>>
>>On Sep 20, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Has anyone been able to use the Chinese B-Nuts on Flexible hose like Aeroquip
666? I'd like to know what mandrels, etc I would need to make this work.
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>Ernie
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Thanks Dennis!
Sent from my iPad
> On Sep 22, 2014, at 7:40 AM, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.n
et> wrote:
>
> The -3 size hose and fitting is too small. You need the -4 size hose and f
itting. The barrel of the 491-4 fitting mates with the metric B nut very ni
cely. The barrel of the -3 fitting is too small and will probably slide rig
ht out of the hole in the metric nut.
> Dennis
>
> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> To: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 11:36 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip Hose
>
> Thanks Dennis, the question was will the 303-3 hose with the AN 491-3 work
?
>
> Ernie
>
> On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 10:52 AM, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellso
uth.net> wrote:
> I use Aeroquip 303-4 hoses and AN491-4 fittings. The metric B nut fits ve
ry nicely in place of the AN B nut on the 491-4 fitting.
>
> The 303 hose works very well. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.
> Dennis
>
> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
> To: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 6:30 AM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip Hose
>
> Dennis,
>
> Do you think that a 303-3 hose would be sufficient for our air system?
>
> What I'd like to do is use hose pig tails off of things like the flap valv
e where it is located in tight spots. The 666 hose would have fit the bill n
icely, but the nuts can't be replaced. I'm concerned that the 303 hose is a b
it bulky.
>
> Thanks
>
> Ernie
>
> On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 10:55 PM, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellso
uth.net> wrote:
> Use Aeroquip 303 hose with AN491-x fitting. Throw away the AN nut from th
e 491-x and use the metric B-nut on the 491-x fitting. Use the appropriate s
ize mandril for the 491-x fitting available from Spruce if you don't already
have them.
> Dennis
>
>
>> On Sep 20, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone been able to use the Chinese B-Nuts on Flexible hose like Aero
quip 666? I'd like to know what mandrels, etc I would need to make this work
.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroquip Hose |
Dennis do you know of anyone that has the 29+ hoses for the Yak 52 on a shelve?
and when you replace the AN B-nut with Yak B-nut how do you compensate for the
matting surface angle? I believe its 69 degrees. Dennis do you feel there would
be a market for hoses if someone were to sell a complete set for the Yak and
CJ and had them on a shelve ready to go?
Most will say 29 hoses? yup start counting the hoses hooked up to your landing
gear that you never see
Bill Wade
N4450Y
On Monday, September 22, 2014 7:47 AM, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
The -3 size hose and fitting is too small. You need the -4 size hose and fitting.
The barrel of the 491-4 fitting mates with the metric B nut very nicely.
The barrel of the -3 fitting is too small and will probably slide right out of
the hole in the metric nut.
Dennis
________________________________
From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip Hose
Thanks Dennis, the question was will the 303-3 hose with the AN 491-3 work?
Ernie
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 10:52 AM, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
I use Aeroquip 303-4 hoses and AN491-4 fittings. The metric B nut fits very nicely
in place of the AN B nut on the 491-4 fitting.
>
>
>The 303 hose works very well. Been there, done that, got the T-shirt.
>Dennis
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
> From: Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com>
>To: yak-list <yak-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 6:30 AM
>Subject: Re: Yak-List: Aeroquip Hose
>
>
>
>Dennis,
>
>
>Do you think that a 303-3 hose would be sufficient for our air system?
>
>
>What I'd like to do is use hose pig tails off of things like the flap valve where
it is located in tight spots. The 666 hose would have fit the bill nicely,
but the nuts can't be replaced. I'm concerned that the 303 hose is a bit bulky.
>
>
>Thanks
>
>
>Ernie
>
>
>On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 10:55 PM, A. Dennis Savarese <dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>
>Use Aeroquip 303 hose with AN491-x fitting. Throw away the AN nut from the 491-x
and use the metric B-nut on the 491-x fitting. Use the appropriate size mandril
for the 491-x fitting available from Spruce if you don't already have them.
>>Dennis
>>
>>On Sep 20, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>Has anyone been able to use the Chinese B-Nuts on Flexible hose like Aeroquip
666? I'd like to know what mandrels, etc I would need to make this work.
>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>Ernie
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroquip Hose |
Do it your self hoses are on the surface easy to construct, however great
caution should be taken to check the "flow" of the newly constructed hose
IN BOTH DIRECTIONS. "Flappers" in the new hose can ruin your whole day.
If you insist in doing this type of work yourself, please ask for help the
first time out as it will save you a lot of grief in the long run.
Doug
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Bill vH <billvh@beanddi.com> wrote:
>
> Dennis,
> I have looked all over (including ACS) and have never found any assembly
> mandrels that have metric threads allowing you to thread on the metric
> B-nut and then thread that into the hose.
> I guess I don't understand why you would even buy a AN 491-X fitting if
> you were going to use the metric B-nut. I just made my own assembly mandrel
> with an appropriate size metric bolt on a lathe.
> What am I missing here?
> Bill
>
>
> [quote="dsavarese0812(at)bellsout"]Use Aeroquip 303 hose with AN491-x
> fitting. Throw away the AN nut from the 491-x and use the metric B-nut on
> the 491-x fitting. Use the appropriate size mandril for the 491-x fitting
> available from Spruce if you don't already have them.
> Dennis
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Ernest Martinez wrote:
>
>
> > Has anyone been able to use the Chinese B-Nuts on Flexible hose like
> Aeroquip 666? I'd like to know what mandrels, etc I would need to make this
> work.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > Ernie
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > [b]
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430880#430880
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroquip Hose |
Excellent point Doug.
Dennis
________________________________
From: doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Aeroquip Hose
Do it your self hoses are on the surface easy to construct, however great caution
should be taken to check the "flow" of the newly constructed hose IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
"Flappers" in the new hose can ruin your whole day. If you insist
in doing this type of work yourself, please ask for help the first time out as
it will save you a lot of grief in the long run.
Doug
On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Bill vH <billvh@beanddi.com> wrote:
>
>Dennis,
>I have looked all over (including ACS) and have never found any assembly mandrels
that have metric threads allowing you to thread on the metric B-nut and then
thread that into the hose.
>I guess I don't understand why you would even buy a AN 491-X fitting if you were
going to use the metric B-nut. I just made my own assembly mandrel with an
appropriate size metric bolt on a lathe.
>What am I missing here?
>Bill
>
>
>[quote="dsavarese0812(at)bellsout"]Use Aeroquip 303 hose with AN491-x fitting.
Throw away the AN nut from the 491-x and use the metric B-nut on the 491-x fitting.
Use the appropriate size mandril for the 491-x fitting available from
Spruce if you don't already have them.
>Dennis
>
>
>On Sep 20, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Ernest Martinez wrote:
>
>
>> Has anyone been able to use the Chinese B-Nuts on Flexible hose like Aeroquip
666? I'd like to know what mandrels, etc I would need to make this work.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Ernie
>>
>>
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>> >
>> >
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroquip Hose |
Hi Dennis;
I think you may have missed Bill=99s point here. If you are
assembling an Aeroquip 303 (Parker 111) hose assy. with the 491 fitting
MODIFIED by replacing the AN =9CB=9D nut with a metric
=9CB=9D nut you will not be able to use the standard mandrel
as the threads will not mate.
Cheers;
Walt
PS: Over the years I have replaced (or attempted to replace!) every
hose used on the CJ with the MIL-H-8794 standard ( Aeroquip 303 /
Stratoflex 111). Each size presents different challenges and different
methods of accomplishment. I have not commented on this subject up to
now since I would need to review my experience with the =934 size.
Suffice to say that Doug=99s caution is very appropriate and
there are numerous other factors that must be considered.
rom: A. Dennis Savarese
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:37 AM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Aeroquip Hose
Bill,
The mandrels for the 491-x fittings have absolutely nothing to do with
the B nuts. The mandrel is used to assist in fitting the barrel into
the hose. The B nuts that come in the package with the 491-x fittings
are loose B nuts that slide over the barrel of the fitting. If you look
closely at the fitting, you will see that the B nut is loose. You
simply slide the AN B nut off the barrel and replace it with the metric
B nut. Enlarge the photo in the link and you will see the B nut is
loose on the barrel.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/aq491.php
.
I have made dozens of these hoses using the Aeroquip 491-4 and -5
fittings with the appropriate size Aeroquip 303-4 and -5 hose and
appropriate mandrel.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/aqmandrel.php
Dennis
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From: Bill vH <billvh@beanddi.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 12:58 PM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Aeroquip Hose
Dennis,
I have looked all over (including ACS) and have never found any assembly
mandrels that have metric threads allowing you to thread on the metric
B-nut and then thread that into the hose.
I guess I don't understand why you would even buy a AN 491-X fitting if
you were going to use the metric B-nut. I just made my own assembly
mandrel with an appropriate size metric bolt on a lathe.
What am I missing here?
Bill
[quote="dsavarese0812(at)bellsout"]Use Aeroquip 303 hose with AN491-x
fitting. Throw away the AN nut from the 491-x and use the metric B-nut
on the 491-x fitting. Use the appropriate size mandril for the 491-x
fitting available from Spruce if you don't already have them.
Dennis
On Sep 20, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Ernest Martinez wrote:
> Has anyone been able to use the Chinese B-Nuts on Flexible hose like
Aeroquip 666? I'd like to know what mandrels, etc I would need to make
this work.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Ernie
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aeroquip Hose |
OH! NOW I see what Bill meant. Thanks for picking that up. Sorry I
missed it.
Dennis
A. Dennis Savarese
334-285-6263
334-546-8182 (mobile)
www.yak-52.com
Skype - Yakguy1
On 9/22/2014 11:32 AM, Walter Lannon wrote:
> Hi Dennis;
> I think you may have missed Bill's point here. If you are assembling
> an Aeroquip 303 (Parker 111) hose assy. with the 491 fitting MODIFIED
> by replacing the AN "B" nut with a metric "B" nut you will not be able
> to use the standard mandrel as the threads will not mate.
> Cheers;
> Walt
> PS: Over the years I have replaced (or attempted to replace!) every
> hose used on the CJ with the MIL-H-8794 standard ( Aeroquip 303 /
> Stratoflex 111). Each size presents different challenges and
> different methods of accomplishment. I have not commented on this
> subject up to now since I would need to review my experience with the
> --4 size. Suffice to say that Doug's caution is very appropriate and
> there are numerous other factors that must be considered.
> *rom:* A. Dennis Savarese <mailto:dsavarese0812@bellsouth.net>
> *Sent:* Monday, September 22, 2014 4:37 AM
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> *Subject:* Re: Yak-List: Re: Aeroquip Hose
> Bill,
> The mandrels for the 491-x fittings have absolutely nothing to do with
> the B nuts. The mandrel is used to assist in fitting the barrel into
> the hose. The B nuts that come in the package with the 491-x fittings
> are loose B nuts that slide over the barrel of the fitting. If you
> look closely at the fitting, you will see that the B nut is loose. You
> simply slide the AN B nut off the barrel and replace it with the
> metric B nut. Enlarge the photo in the link and you will see the B
> nut is loose on the barrel.
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/aq491.php
> .
> I have made dozens of these hoses using the Aeroquip 491-4 and -5
> fittings with the appropriate size Aeroquip 303-4 and -5 hose and
> appropriate mandrel.
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/aqmandrel.php
> Dennis
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Bill vH <billvh@beanddi.com>
> *To:* yak-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, September 21, 2014 12:58 PM
> *Subject:* Yak-List: Re: Aeroquip Hose
>
> <mailto:billvh@beanddi.com>>
>
> Dennis,
> I have looked all over (including ACS) and have never found any
> assembly mandrels that have metric threads allowing you to thread on
> the metric B-nut and then thread that into the hose.
> I guess I don't understand why you would even buy a AN 491-X fitting
> if you were going to use the metric B-nut. I just made my own assembly
> mandrel with an appropriate size metric bolt on a lathe.
> What am I missing here?
> Bill
>
>
> [quote="dsavarese0812(at)bellsout"]Use Aeroquip 303 hose with AN491-x
> fitting. Throw away the AN nut from the 491-x and use the metric
> B-nut on the 491-x fitting. Use the appropriate size mandril for the
> 491-x fitting available from Spruce if you don't already have them.
> Dennis
>
>
> On Sep 20, 2014, at 3:26 PM, Ernest Martinez wrote:
>
>
> > Has anyone been able to use the Chinese B-Nuts on Flexible hose like
> Aeroquip 666? I'd like to know what mandrels, etc I would need to make
> this work.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > Ernie
> >
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