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1. 08:08 AM - Warbirds Mag (tjyak50)
2. 08:51 AM - Re: Warbirds Mag (Dr. Herbert Coussons)
3. 09:33 AM - Re: Warbirds Mag (Rico Jaeger)
4. 10:37 AM - Re: Warbirds Mag (Byron Fox)
5. 11:14 AM - Re: Warbirds Mag (jblake207@comcast.net)
6. 11:54 AM - Re: Warbirds Mag (Jon Boede)
7. 12:00 PM - Re: Warbirds Mag (Rico Jaeger)
8. 12:09 PM - Re: Warbirds Mag (Richard Hess)
9. 01:14 PM - Re: Warbirds Mag (Jim)
10. 02:21 PM - Re: Warbirds Mag (Rico Jaeger)
11. 03:15 PM - Quotables (Jim)
12. 03:21 PM - Re: Quotables (Richard Hess)
13. 05:48 PM - Re: Warbirds Mag (cjpilot710@aol.com)
14. 07:56 PM - Re: Quotables (Roger Kemp)
15. 11:03 PM - Official Yak-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
16. 11:08 PM - Official Yak-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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... nobody went to Osh?? lol
I'll just leave that here.
:)
Tj
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431340#431340
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| Subject: | Re: Warbirds Mag |
I thought the same thing !!!
All those pics and no red star ?!?!? Just before I tossed it.
Dr. Herb Coussons, MD
drc@wscare.com
2641 Development Drive
Green Bay, WI 54311
Cell 920-639-8434
Work 920-338-6868
Fax 920-338-6869
On Oct 1, 2014, at 10:07 AM, tjyak50 <tomjohnson@cox.net> wrote:
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> ... nobody went to Osh?? lol
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> I'll just leave that here.
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> :)
> Tj
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431340#431340
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Unfortunately=2C it's very consistent w/ all the AirVenture media coverage.
All those seemingly random video sweeps of dew-covered aircraft at dawn an
d not a Red Star to be found.
I know the "backed-against-the-snow-fence" parking spot is not optimum=2C b
ut that entry gate gets pretty busy. So in a way=2C we are "greeters" there
. Don't say that to the wrong person=2C tho...we'll be parked at Hardees ne
xt year...
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau=2C WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1966 Cessna 150F ^/---//-X
N8558G //
//
1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
> From: drc@wscare.com
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Warbirds Mag
> Date: Wed=2C 1 Oct 2014 15:50:00 +0000
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> I thought the same thing !!!
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> All those pics and no red star ?!?!? Just before I tossed it.
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> Dr. Herb Coussons=2C MD
> drc@wscare.com
> 2641 Development Drive
> Green Bay=2C WI 54311
> Cell 920-639-8434
> Work 920-338-6868
> Fax 920-338-6869
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> On Oct 1=2C 2014=2C at 10:07 AM=2C tjyak50 <tomjohnson@cox.net> wrote:
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> > ... nobody went to Osh?? lol
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> > I'll just leave that here.
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> > :)
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| Subject: | Re: Warbirds Mag |
After 13 years, I've become accustomed to being one of the "red headed step c
hildren " of the warbird community. I take great comfort in the knowledge th
at my CJ didn't cost $1.5M to acquire, doesn't burn 60 gallons/hour, and doe
sn't eat $100K/year to maintain.
Moreover, with the singular exception of Stu Eberhardt, did you even meet a P
-51 owner who doesn't take himself very seriously?
Blitz Fox
415-307-2405
> On Oct 1, 2014, at 9:31 AM, Rico Jaeger <rocknpilot@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, it's very consistent w/ all the AirVenture media coverage. A
ll those seemingly random video sweeps of dew-covered aircraft at dawn and n
ot a Red Star to be found.
>
> I know the "backed-against-the-snow-fence" parking spot is not optimum, bu
t that entry gate gets pretty busy. So in a way, we are "greeters" there. Do
n't say that to the wrong person, tho...we'll be parked at Hardees next year
...
>
> Rico Jaeger
> 915 S. 11th Ave.
> Wausau, WI. 54401
> 715.529.7426
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> > From: drc@wscare.com
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Warbirds Mag
> > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 15:50:00 +0000
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> > I thought the same thing !!!
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> > All those pics and no red star ?!?!? Just before I tossed it.
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> > Dr. Herb Coussons, MD
> > drc@wscare.com
> > 2641 Development Drive
> > Green Bay, WI 54311
> > Cell 920-639-8434
> > Work 920-338-6868
> > Fax 920-338-6869
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> > On Oct 1, 2014, at 10:07 AM, tjyak50 <tomjohnson@cox.net> wrote:
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> > > ... nobody went to Osh?? lol
> > >
> > > I'll just leave that here.
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> > > :)
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| Subject: | Re: Warbirds Mag |
Bazinga Blitz!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Byron Fox" <byronmfox@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 12:37:21 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Warbirds Mag
After 13 years, I've become accustomed to being one of the "red headed step
children " of the warbird community. I take great comfort in the knowledge
that my CJ didn't cost $1.5M to acquire, doesn't burn 60 gallons/hour, and
doesn't eat $100K/year to maintain.=C2-
Moreover, with the singular exception of Stu Eberhardt, did you even meet a
P-51 owner who doesn't take himself very seriously?
Blitz Fox
415-307-2405
On Oct 1, 2014, at 9:31 AM, Rico Jaeger < rocknpilot@hotmail.com > wrote:
Unfortunately, it's very consistent w/ all the AirVenture media coverage. A
ll those seemingly random video sweeps of dew-covered aircraft at dawn and
not a Red Star to be found.=C2-
I know the "backed-against-the-snow-fence" parking spot is not optimum, but
that entry gate gets pretty busy. So in a way, we are "greeters" there. Do
n't say that to the wrong person, tho...we'll be parked at Hardees next yea
r...
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave. =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2-
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> From: drc@wscare.com
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Warbirds Mag
> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 15:50:00 +0000
>
>
> I thought the same thing !!!
>
> All those pics and no red star ?!?!? Just before I tossed it.
>
>
> Dr. Herb Coussons, MD
> drc@wscare.com
> 2641 Development Drive
> Green Bay, WI 54311
> Cell 920-639-8434
> Work 920-338-6868
> Fax 920-338-6869
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 1, 2014, at 10:07 AM, tjyak50 < tomjohnson@cox.net > wrote:
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> >
> > ... nobody went to Osh?? lol
> >
> > I'll just leave that here.
> >
> > :)
> > Tj
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431340#431340
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From: jblake207@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Warbirds Mag
The Red Star guys are the finest guys in Warbirds (in my humble opinion).
Perhaps the "red headed step children" thing actually works in our favor --
if folks who wear scarves and iron their flight suits aren't for you=2C th
ere's a group out there with humor in their hearts and red stars on their p
lanes that are probably a lot more your speed -- the fact that we're not "c
ool" probably keeps the pudknockers away.
We ran into one of the below-referenced P-51 drivers at an event over the w
eekend. Decent guy=2C but he was workin' hard to keep the stereotype alive
. =3B-)
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From: "Byron Fox" <byronmfox@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday=2C October 1=2C 2014 12:37:21 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Warbirds Mag
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After 13 years=2C I've become accustomed to being one of the "red headed st
ep children " of the warbird community. I take great comfort in the knowled
ge that my CJ didn't cost $1.5M to acquire=2C doesn't burn 60 gallons/hour
=2C and doesn't eat $100K/year to maintain. =0A
=0A
Moreover=2C with the singular exception of Stu Eberhardt=2C did you even me
et a P-51 owner who doesn't take himself very seriously?=0A
Blitz Fox=0A
415-307-2405=0A
On Oct 1=2C 2014=2C at 9:31 AM=2C Rico Jaeger <rocknpilot@hotmail.com> wrot
e:
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Unfortunately=2C it's very consistent w/ all the AirVenture media coverage.
All those seemingly random video sweeps of dew-covered aircraft at dawn an
d not a Red Star to be found. =0A
=0A
I know the "backed-against-the-snow-fence" parking spot is not optimum=2C b
ut that entry gate gets pretty busy. So in a way=2C we are "greeters" there
. Don't say that to the wrong person=2C tho...we'll be parked at Hardees ne
xt year...
=0A
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau=2C WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1966 Cessna 150F ^/---//-X
N8558G //
//
1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
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> From: drc@wscare.com
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Warbirds Mag
> Date: Wed=2C 1 Oct 2014 15:50:00 +0000
>
>
> I thought the same thing !!!
>
> All those pics and no red star ?!?!? Just before I tossed it.
>
>
> Dr. Herb Coussons=2C MD
> drc@wscare.com
> 2641 Development Drive
> Green Bay=2C WI 54311
> Cell 920-639-8434
> Work 920-338-6868
> Fax 920-338-6869
>
>
>
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> On Oct 1=2C 2014=2C at 10:07 AM=2C tjyak50 <tomjohnson@cox.net> wrote:
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> >
> > ... nobody went to Osh?? lol
> >
> > I'll just leave that here.
> >
> > :)
> > Tj
> >
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For whatever it's worth..."SUBSTANTIAL PRIDE" does not begin to describe wh
at I felt as I was tying-down this year in the Red Star corral. YOU GUYS in
stilled that in me with years of watching from a distance and wanting to be
there. I believe you represent - and present - yourselves exceedingly prof
essionally. As a (finally) functioning member of the group=2C I feel you ha
ve all set a high standard for we "newbe's" to attain. If you ask me=2C wh
o cares if we are clandestinely shunned? As long as we are safe=2C enjoy wh
at we do and educate the public - however unintentionally - regarding OTHER
military aircraft. And remember=2C the editors of the magazines and videos
don't always answer to the higher powers - who are usually looking for mor
e of a quality product than any type of equity.
With my limited experience w/ both the hardware and the group=2C I have NO
right to comment politically. But I have EVERY right to comment as a bystan
der for the last decade-plus. The Red Star aircraft and owners / pilots wer
e compelling factors at many an AirVenture for me. I don't fly a fighter
=2C and my ride does not carry a 6 or 7-figure price tag. But it DOES carry
ME...loudly and proudly spewing oil on any tarmac that allows me to land.
And every time I hoist myself out of that cockpit and look down at those s
tars on the wings=2C I feel like I just walked into the big game w/ the pro
m queen on my arm...
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau=2C WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1966 Cessna 150F ^/---//-X
N8558G //
//
1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
From: jblake207@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Warbirds Mag
Bazinga Blitz!
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From: "Byron Fox" <byronmfox@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday=2C October 1=2C 2014 12:37:21 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Warbirds Mag
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After 13 years=2C I've become accustomed to being one of the "red headed st
ep children " of the warbird community. I take great comfort in the knowled
ge that my CJ didn't cost $1.5M to acquire=2C doesn't burn 60 gallons/hour
=2C and doesn't eat $100K/year to maintain. =0A
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Moreover=2C with the singular exception of Stu Eberhardt=2C did you even me
et a P-51 owner who doesn't take himself very seriously?=0A
Blitz Fox=0A
415-307-2405=0A
On Oct 1=2C 2014=2C at 9:31 AM=2C Rico Jaeger <rocknpilot@hotmail.com> wrot
e:
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Unfortunately=2C it's very consistent w/ all the AirVenture media coverage.
All those seemingly random video sweeps of dew-covered aircraft at dawn an
d not a Red Star to be found. =0A
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I know the "backed-against-the-snow-fence" parking spot is not optimum=2C b
ut that entry gate gets pretty busy. So in a way=2C we are "greeters" there
. Don't say that to the wrong person=2C tho...we'll be parked at Hardees ne
xt year...
=0A
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau=2C WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1966 Cessna 150F ^/---//-X
N8558G //
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1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
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> From: drc@wscare.com
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Warbirds Mag
> Date: Wed=2C 1 Oct 2014 15:50:00 +0000
>
>
> I thought the same thing !!!
>
> All those pics and no red star ?!?!? Just before I tossed it.
>
>
> Dr. Herb Coussons=2C MD
> drc@wscare.com
> 2641 Development Drive
> Green Bay=2C WI 54311
> Cell 920-639-8434
> Work 920-338-6868
> Fax 920-338-6869
>
>
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> On Oct 1=2C 2014=2C at 10:07 AM=2C tjyak50 <tomjohnson@cox.net> wrote:
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> > ... nobody went to Osh?? lol
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> > I'll just leave that here.
> >
> > :)
> > Tj
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431340#431340
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| Subject: | Re: Warbirds Mag |
Rico
You got it right.. :-)
Richard Hess
C 404-964-4885
> On Oct 1, 2014, at 14:59, Rico Jaeger <rocknpilot@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> For whatever it's worth..."SUBSTANTIAL PRIDE" does not begin to describe w
hat I felt as I was tying-down this year in the Red Star corral. YOU GUYS in
stilled that in me with years of watching from a distance and wanting to be t
here. I believe you represent - and present - yourselves exceedingly profess
ionally. As a (finally) functioning member of the group, I feel you have all
set a high standard for we "newbe's" to attain. If you ask me, who cares i
f we are clandestinely shunned? As long as we are safe, enjoy what we do and
educate the public - however unintentionally - regarding OTHER military air
craft. And remember, the editors of the magazines and videos don't always an
swer to the higher powers - who are usually looking for more of a quality pr
oduct than any type of equity.
>
> With my limited experience w/ both the hardware and the group, I have NO r
ight to comment politically. But I have EVERY right to comment as a bystande
r for the last decade-plus. The Red Star aircraft and owners / pilots were c
ompelling factors at many an AirVenture for me. I don't fly a fighter, and m
y ride does not carry a 6 or 7-figure price tag. But it DOES carry ME...loud
ly and proudly spewing oil on any tarmac that allows me to land. And every t
ime I hoist myself out of that cockpit and look down at those stars on the w
ings, I feel like I just walked into the big game w/ the prom queen on my ar
m...
>
>
> Rico Jaeger
> 915 S. 11th Ave.
> Wausau, WI. 54401
> 715.529.7426
> //
> 1966 Cessna 150F ^/---//-X
> N8558G //
> //
> 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
> N21YK //
>
>
>
>
> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 18:13:35 +0000
> From: jblake207@comcast.net
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Warbirds Mag
>
> Bazinga Blitz!
>
> From: "Byron Fox" <byronmfox@gmail.com>
> To: "Yak-List" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 12:37:21 PM
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Warbirds Mag
>
> After 13 years, I've become accustomed to being one of the "red headed ste
p children " of the warbird community. I take great comfort in the knowledge
that my CJ didn't cost $1.5M to acquire, doesn't burn 60 gallons/hour, and d
oesn't eat $100K/year to maintain.
>
> Moreover, with the singular exception of Stu Eberhardt, did you even meet a
P-51 owner who doesn't take himself very seriously?
>
> Blitz Fox
> 415-307-2405
>
> On Oct 1, 2014, at 9:31 AM, Rico Jaeger <rocknpilot@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, it's very consistent w/ all the AirVenture media coverage. A
ll those seemingly random video sweeps of dew-covered aircraft at dawn and n
ot a Red Star to be found.
>
> I know the "backed-against-the-snow-fence" parking spot is not optimum, bu
t that entry gate gets pretty busy. So in a way, we are "greeters" there. Do
n't say that to the wrong person, tho...we'll be parked at Hardees next year
...
>
> Rico Jaeger
> 915 S. 11th Ave.
> Wausau, WI. 54401
> 715.529.7426
> //
> 1966 Cessna 150F ^/---//-X
> N8558G //
> //
> 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
> N21YK //
>
>
>
>
> > From: drc@wscare.com
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Warbirds Mag
> > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 15:50:00 +0000
> >
> >
> > I thought the same thing !!!
> >
> > All those pics and no red star ?!?!? Just before I tossed it.
> >
> >
> > Dr. Herb Coussons, MD
> > drc@wscare.com
> > 2641 Development Drive
> > Green Bay, WI 54311
> > Cell 920-639-8434
> > Work 920-338-6868
> > Fax 920-338-6869
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 1, 2014, at 10:07 AM, tjyak50 <tomjohnson@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > ... nobody went to Osh?? lol
> > >
> > > I'll just leave that here.
> > >
> > > :)
> > > Tj
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431340#431340
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Warbirds Mag |
By golly, you silver-tongued devil you. I nominate you for best
"spirit" writer on the list for 2014. If'n you don't let it go to your
head and all ;)
Jim
P.S. I would have needed an AN-2 to show up with and deliver the prom
queen in our small town.
On 10/1/2014 12:59 PM, Rico Jaeger wrote:
> For whatever it's worth..."SUBSTANTIAL PRIDE" does not begin to
> describe what I felt as I was tying-down this year in the Red Star
> corral. YOU GUYS instilled that in me with years of watching from a
> distance and wanting to be there. I believe you represent - and
> present - yourselves exceedingly professionally. As a (finally)
> functioning member of the group, I feel you have all set a high
> standard for we "newbe's" to attain. If you ask me, who cares if we
> are clandestinely shunned? As long as we are safe, enjoy what we do
> and educate the public - however unintentionally - regarding OTHER
> military aircraft. And remember, the editors of the magazines and
> videos don't always answer to the higher powers - who are usually
> looking for more of a quality product than any type of equity.
>
> With my limited experience w/ both the hardware and the group, I have
> NO right to comment politically. But I have EVERY right to comment as
> a bystander for the last decade-plus. The Red Star aircraft and owners
> / pilots were compelling factors at many an AirVenture for me. I
> don't fly a fighter, and my ride does not carry a 6 or 7-figure price
> tag. But it DOES carry ME...loudly and proudly spewing oil on any
> tarmac that allows me to land. And every time I hoist myself out of
> that cockpit and look down at those stars on the wings, I feel like I
> just walked into the big game w/ the prom queen on my arm...
>
>
> Rico Jaeger
> 915 S. 11th Ave.
> Wausau, WI. 54401
> 715.529.7426
> //
> 1966 Cessna 150F ^/---//-X
> N8558G //
> //
> 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
> N21YK //
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 18:13:35 +0000
> From: jblake207@comcast.net
> To: yak-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Warbirds Mag
>
> Bazinga Blitz!
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From: *"Byron Fox" <byronmfox@gmail.com>
> *To: *"Yak-List" <yak-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, October 1, 2014 12:37:21 PM
> *Subject: *Re: Yak-List: Warbirds Mag
>
> After 13 years, I've become accustomed to being one of the "red headed
> step children " of the warbird community. I take great comfort in the
> knowledge that my CJ didn't cost $1.5M to acquire, doesn't burn 60
> gallons/hour, and doesn't eat $100K/year to maintain.
>
> Moreover, with the singular exception of Stu Eberhardt, did you even
> meet a P-51 owner who doesn't take himself very seriously?
>
> Blitz Fox
> 415-307-2405
>
> On Oct 1, 2014, at 9:31 AM, Rico Jaeger <rocknpilot@hotmail.com
> <mailto:rocknpilot@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, it's very consistent w/ all the AirVenture media
> coverage. All those seemingly random video sweeps of dew-covered
> aircraft at dawn and not a Red Star to be found.
>
> I know the "backed-against-the-snow-fence" parking spot is not
> optimum, but that entry gate gets pretty busy. So in a way, we are
> "greeters" there. Don't say that to the wrong person, tho...we'll
> be parked at Hardees next year...
>
> Rico Jaeger
> 915 S. 11th Ave.
> Wausau, WI. 54401
> 715.529.7426
> //
> 1966 Cessna 150F ^/---//-X
> N8558G //
> //
> 1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
> N21YK //
>
>
> > From: drc@wscare.com <mailto:drc@wscare.com>
> > To: yak-list@matronics.com <mailto:yak-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Yak-List: Warbirds Mag
> > Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 15:50:00 +0000
> >
> <drc@wscare.com <mailto:drc@wscare.com>>
> >
> > I thought the same thing !!!
> >
> > All those pics and no red star ?!?!? Just before I tossed it.
> >
> >
> > Dr. Herb Coussons, MD
> > drc@wscare.com <mailto:drc@wscare.com>
> > 2641 Development Drive
> > Green Bay, WI 54311
> > Cell 920-639-8434
> > Work 920-338-6868
> > Fax 920-338-6869
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 1, 2014, at 10:07 AM, tjyak50 <tomjohnson@cox.net
> <mailto:tomjohnson@cox.net>> wrote:
> >
> <mailto:tomjohnson@cox.net>>
> > >
> > > ... nobody went to Osh?? lol
> > >
> > > I'll just leave that here.
> > >
> > > :)
> > > Tj
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Read this topic online here:
> > >
> > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=431340#431340
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> &g=======================
> >
> >
> >
>
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HA! OK=2C maybe I shoulda' said head cheerleader...
That was pretty funny=2C Jim!
And I ACCEPT your nomination! I will never have all I want=2C but I already
have much more than I need. In that respect=2C life is pretty darn good. :
)
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau=2C WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1966 Cessna 150F ^/---//-X
N8558G //
//
1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
From: jim@jimivey.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Warbirds Mag
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Herbert Coussons" <drc@wscare.com>
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> Dr. Herb Coussons=2C MD
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> drc@wscare.com
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Guys
For what it's worth, in my 12 years of flying these aircraft, I've seen Red S
tar go from being the red headed step child to an organization respected for
the professional way we organize and conduct our operations and fly ins. Ju
st look at the number of non-red stars who show up for our events nationwide
. That says it al...
Richard Hess
C 404-964-4885
> On Oct 1, 2014, at 18:14, Jim <jim@jimivey.com> wrote:
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> Rico,
>
> You are quite quotable. Even your most recent one liner about never havi
ng what you want but having more than you will ever need etc (a la Rolling S
tones). Even proudly having your venerable Cessna 150 in your signature lin
e. I love it. Is it just me?
>
> You might well know that the majority of us Red Star guys are just like yo
u. Not overly wealthy but with enough drive and incentive to live the drea
m of owning a radial-powered swarthy airplane of our dreams. And not preten
tious enough to care what others may think of our humble airplane background
s. Well, except for a few old sore heads and type "A" personalities. Ha
. You have well earned your your round-engined oil spewing Walter Mitty mou
nt along with the rest of us who persevered. It truly does mean a lot more t
o the likes of us than a 19 year old prick kid of a Texas oil magnate with a
silver spoon in his mouth and a P51 to fly. I actually feel sorry for the s
od not having the experience of working his way up through the traditional s
ingles and trainers to a lifetime dream goal. No envy of that here. Just h
opes he can experience the same satisfaction of obtaining a seemingly imposs
ible dream through perseverance. Sooner than later.
>
> Don't ever change. I am damned proud to call you Red Star brethren. Yo
ur welcome at our "down to earth" campfire anytime. Flying in flip flops and
, "Smoke on".
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> Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Warbirds Mag |
Maybe one of us old timers should sit down and write up the history of
Yak/CJs visa ve the rest of the warbird community. Believe it are not, we do
have friends in EAAWB, both in the leadership and out, BUT I will not deny
that there is some prejudice against us. (I have a particular bone to pick
on some airshow announcers). A lot of those heavy iron guys (not all)
have their airplanes for an investment so hype keeps its price up. But be
advised a few of them were former RPA members and simply moved up. And they
still come by and hang with us for a while. I remember getting mailed
mimeographed newsletter from Bud Harrell (who started the Yak Pilots Club - the
real sperm donor) where he had a picture of the first ever gathering of
members at OSH. All 4 of them - no airplanes. If it were not for the LO
group, we never may gotten to even fly in the show in the first place. I
believe it was 1995 or 96, myself, Hal Morley, Brain Lloyd, and Saliebe (later
killed flying a T-28), flew the first Commie flight (CJ-6s) at OSH. We
were mixed with the L birds, in a 4 ship at 500'. (No FAST card in those
days). It took a number of years before we were recognized as a serious group
and were often put behind the T-34 fellows. Instructions were often "Stay
a mile behind us. Do your own thing". It took some politicking and
persistent support of EAAWB to earn a spot to put our tent along side other WBs.
The judges there have always wanted to have enough Yaks or CJs to able to
award trophies too but you need a minima of 3 to enter for judging. "And
why doesn't a CJ or Yak ever win Grand Champion Warbird?". The complexity
of a 51, Corsair, Spitfire or even a T6 are far more an accomplishment to
restore even if you drop consideration of the money spent. Our airplanes
are just to simple. RPA still has the best formation book that got its
founding's from the T-34 Asso manual.
For a few years we had the most airplanes (except maybe the T6 guys)
specially when the T34 guys had their spar problems. At one point what few
showed up at OSH ended up following us around the pattern. So there is an
eb and flow in the EAAWB of airplanes. We will never out class (maybe out
number) the big iron guys. The complexity and expense alone, than count in
their American history and hype of that and yes that puts us near the
bottom and out in the "North Forty". So hang in there, a the absence of a
picture in one issue of a magazine for one airshow does not mean we are
nothing.
I believe the low showing of RPA airplanes at the big shows, has in
part to do with our success in regionalizing our association. Guys don't
have to travel all the way to OSH or S&F, to get the satisfaction and
comradeship of like minded pilots. Plus the regional airshows allow us to show
off
our skills and airplanes without the pilgrimage to the mecca's of OSH or
S&F.
Hope that helps.
Jim "Pappy" Goolsby
In a message dated 10/1/2014 5:22:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rocknpilot@hotmail.com writes:
HA! OK, maybe I shoulda' said head cheerleader...
That was pretty funny, Jim!
And I ACCEPT your nomination! I will never have all I want, but I already
have much more than I need. In that respect, life is pretty darn good. :)
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1966 Cessna 150F ^/---//-X
N8558G //
//
1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 14:13:02 -0600
From: jim@jimivey.com
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Warbirds Mag
By golly, you silver-tongued devil you. I nominate you for best "spirit"
writer on the list for 2014. If'n you don't let it go to your head and all
;)
Jim
P.S. I would have needed an AN-2 to show up with and deliver the prom
queen in our small town.
On 10/1/2014 12:59 PM, Rico Jaeger wrote:
For whatever it's worth..."SUBSTANTIAL PRIDE" does not begin to describe
what I felt as I was tying-down this year in the Red Star corral. YOU GUYS
instilled that in me with years of watching from a distance and wanting to
be there. I believe you represent - and present - yourselves exceedingly
professionally. As a (finally) functioning member of the group, I feel you
have all set a high standard for we "newbe's" to attain. If you ask me, who
cares if we are clandestinely shunned? As long as we are safe, enjoy what we
do and educate the public - however unintentionally - regarding OTHER
military aircraft. And remember, the editors of the magazines and videos don't
always answer to the higher powers - who are usually looking for more of a
quality product than any type of equity.
With my limited experience w/ both the hardware and the group, I have NO
right to comment politically. But I have EVERY right to comment as a
bystander for the last decade-plus. The Red Star aircraft and owners / pilots
were
compelling factors at many an AirVenture for me. I don't fly a fighter,
and my ride does not carry a 6 or 7-figure price tag. But it DOES carry
ME...loudly and proudly spewing oil on any tarmac that allows me to land. And
every time I hoist myself out of that cockpit and look down at those stars
on the wings, I feel like I just walked into the big game w/ the prom queen
on my arm...
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1966 Cessna 150F ^/---//-X
N8558G //
//
1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
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Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 18:13:35 +0000
From: _jblake207@comcast.net_ (mailto:jblake207@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Warbirds Mag
Bazinga Blitz!
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From: "Byron Fox" _<byronmfox@gmail.com>_ (mailto:byronmfox@gmail.com)
Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 12:37:21 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Warbirds Mag
After 13 years, I've become accustomed to being one of the "red headed
step children " of the warbird community. I take great comfort in the
knowledge that my CJ didn't cost $1.5M to acquire, doesn't burn 60 gallons/hour,
and doesn't eat $100K/year to maintain.
Moreover, with the singular exception of Stu Eberhardt, did you even meet
a P-51 owner who doesn't take himself very seriously?
Blitz Fox
415-307-2405
On Oct 1, 2014, at 9:31 AM, Rico Jaeger <_rocknpilot@hotmail.com_
(mailto:rocknpilot@hotmail.com) > wrote:
Unfortunately, it's very consistent w/ all the AirVenture media coverage.
All those seemingly random video sweeps of dew-covered aircraft at dawn and
not a Red Star to be found.
I know the "backed-against-the-snow-fence" parking spot is not optimum,
but that entry gate gets pretty busy. So in a way, we are "greeters" there.
Don't say that to the wrong person, tho...we'll be parked at Hardees next
year...
Rico Jaeger
915 S. 11th Ave.
Wausau, WI. 54401
715.529.7426
//
1966 Cessna 150F ^/---//-X
N8558G //
//
1992 Yakovlev Yak 52 ^/---//-X
N21YK //
> From: _drc@wscare.com_ (mailto:drc@wscare.com)
> To: _yak-list@matronics.com_ (mailto:yak-list@matronics.com)
> Subject: Re: Yak-List: Warbirds Mag
> Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 15:50:00 +0000
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(mailto:drc@wscare.com) >
>
> I thought the same thing !!!
>
> All those pics and no red star ?!?!? Just before I tossed it.
>
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> Dr. Herb Coussons, MD
> _drc@wscare.com_ (mailto:drc@wscare.com)
> 2641 Development Drive
> Green Bay, WI 54311
> Cell 920-639-8434
> Work 920-338-6868
> Fax 920-338-6869
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Amen.
Doc
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> On Oct 1, 2014, at 5:21 PM, Richard Hess <hess737@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Guys
> For what it's worth, in my 12 years of flying these aircraft, I've seen Re
d Star go from being the red headed step child to an organization respected f
or the professional way we organize and conduct our operations and fly ins. J
ust look at the number of non-red stars who show up for our events nationwid
e. That says it al...
>
> Richard Hess
> C 404-964-4885
>
>> On Oct 1, 2014, at 18:14, Jim <jim@jimivey.com> wrote:
>>
>> Rico,
>>
>> You are quite quotable. Even your most recent one liner about never hav
ing what you want but having more than you will ever need etc (a la Rolling S
tones). Even proudly having your venerable Cessna 150 in your signature lin
e. I love it. Is it just me?
>>
>> You might well know that the majority of us Red Star guys are just like y
ou. Not overly wealthy but with enough drive and incentive to live the dre
am of owning a radial-powered swarthy airplane of our dreams. And not prete
ntious enough to care what others may think of our humble airplane backgroun
ds. Well, except for a few old sore heads and type "A" personalities. H
a. You have well earned your your round-engined oil spewing Walter Mitty mo
unt along with the rest of us who persevered. It truly does mean a lot more
to the likes of us than a 19 year old prick kid of a Texas oil magnate with
a silver spoon in his mouth and a P51 to fly. I actually feel sorry for th
e sod not having the experience of working his way up through the traditiona
l singles and trainers to a lifetime dream goal. No envy of that here. Ju
st hopes he can experience the same satisfaction of obtaining a seemingly im
possible dream through perseverance. Sooner than later.
>>
>> Don't ever change. I am damned proud to call you Red Star brethren. Y
our welcome at our "down to earth" campfire anytime. Flying in flip flops an
d, "Smoke on".
>>
>> Jim
>>
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| Subject: | Official Yak-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Yak-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Yak-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Yak-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Yak-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Yak-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Yak-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Yak-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Yak-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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