---------------------------------------------------------- Yak-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/04/14: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:07 AM - control surface painting on CJ (Keith McKinley) 2. 08:47 AM - Metal Prop (Cory Robin) 3. 08:56 AM - Re: Metal Prop (George S. Coy) 4. 09:17 AM - Re: Metal Prop (Richard Goode) 5. 09:49 AM - Re: control surface painting on CJ (Walter Lannon) 6. 10:40 AM - need a address (cjpilot710@aol.com) 7. 12:47 PM - Re: Metal Prop (Roger Kemp) 8. 02:25 PM - Re: Metal Prop (Cory Robin) 9. 02:31 PM - Re: control surface painting on CJ (Phil Salter) 10. 03:06 PM - Re: Metal Prop (Robin Hou) 11. 05:20 PM - Re: Metal Prop (Roger Kemp) 12. 05:34 PM - Re: control surface painting on CJ (Roger Kemp) 13. 05:58 PM - Re: control surface painting on CJ (Pilotdog57) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:45 AM PST US From: Keith McKinley Subject: Yak-List: control surface painting on CJ The use of flex additive in paint. How important? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:53 AM PST US From: Cory Robin Subject: Yak-List: Metal Prop Anyone aware of any metal propeller options for the M14P? Cory Robin Chief Executive Officer SkyVantage Corporation 5526 West 13400 South, Suite 207 Herriman, UT 84096 United States of America US Ph. +1-801-649-2925 ext. 301 Skype: skyvantage (calls only) ext. 301 Email: crobin@skyvantage.com Website: http://www.skyvantage.com Join us on Facebook! www.facebook.com/skyvantage ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:56:42 AM PST US From: "George S. Coy" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Metal Prop Yes, there is a 3 blade Hartzell. They are often installed on Murphy Moose. I did the flight testing at Hartzell many years ago. I am still a dealer for this prop. George Coy From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cory Robin Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Yak-List: Metal Prop Anyone aware of any metal propeller options for the M14P? Cory Robin Chief Executive Officer SkyVantage Corporation 5526 West 13400 South, Suite 207 Herriman, UT 84096 United States of America US Ph. +1-801-649-2925 ext. 301 Skype: skyvantage (calls only) ext. 301 Email: crobin@skyvantage.com Website: http://www.skyvantage.com Join us on Facebook! www.facebook.com/skyvantage ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:41 AM PST US From: "Richard Goode" Subject: RE: Yak-List: Metal Prop I believe there is also a three blade metal prop from Avia in the Czech Republic. However it is quite heavy and non--aerobatic. Richard Goode Aerobatics Rhodds Farm Lyonshall Hereford HR5 3LW Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 www.russianaeros.com From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy Sent: 04 November 2014 16:56 Subject: RE: Yak-List: Metal Prop Yes, there is a 3 blade Hartzell. They are often installed on Murphy Moose. I did the flight testing at Hartzell many years ago. I am still a dealer for this prop. George Coy From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cory Robin Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 11:46 AM Subject: Yak-List: Metal Prop Anyone aware of any metal propeller options for the M14P? Cory Robin Chief Executive Officer Image removed by sender. SkyVantage Corporation 5526 West 13400 South, Suite 207 Herriman, UT 84096 United States of America US Ph. +1-801-649-2925 ext. 301 Skype: skyvantage (calls only) ext. 301 Email: crobin@skyvantage.com Website: http://www.skyvantage.com Join us on Facebook! www.facebook.com/skyvantage www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com www.mypilotstore.com www.mrrace.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List http://forums.matronics.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:53 AM PST US From: "Walter Lannon" Subject: Re: Yak-List: control surface painting on CJ Keith; Necessary to avoid cracking if you are using anything other than a "dope" based finish. Particularly on upper surface where cracking exposes synthetic fabric to UV radiation. Walt -----Original Message----- From: Keith McKinley Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:14 AM Subject: Yak-List: control surface painting on CJ The use of flex additive in paint. How important? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:40:04 AM PST US From: cjpilot710@aol.com Subject: Yak-List: need a address Guys, Trying to get a hold of Ron Malec. He was at AYS Gator Chase and was taking a lot of pictures. I need an email address or phone number. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Metal Prop From: Roger Kemp Why? That composite wood prop is protective in its self. That small supercha rger shaft is going take a beating with a prop strike with a metal prop. Not to say it won't with the wood but not as much damage will be transmitted to the other pinion gears as will be with a metal prop. Doc Sent from my iPad > On Nov 4, 2014, at 11:15 AM, Richard Goode wrote: > > I believe there is also a three blade metal prop from Avia in the Czech Re public. However it is quite heavy and non--aerobatic. > > Richard Goode Aerobatics > Rhodds Farm > Lyonshall > Hereford > HR5 3LW > > Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 > Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 > www.russianaeros.com > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@ma tronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy > Sent: 04 November 2014 16:56 > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Yak-List: Metal Prop > > Yes, there is a 3 blade Hartzell. They are often installed on Murphy Moose . I did the flight testing at Hartzell many years ago. I am still a dealer f or this prop. > George Coy > > From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@ma tronics.com] On Behalf Of Cory Robin > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 11:46 AM > To: yak-list@matronics.com > Subject: Yak-List: Metal Prop > > Anyone aware of any metal propeller options for the M14P? > > > Cory Robin > Chief Executive Officer > <~WRD000.jpg> > SkyVantage Corporation > 5526 West 13400 South, Suite 207 > Herriman, UT 84096 > United States of America > US Ph. +1-801-649-2925 ext. 301 > Skype: skyvantage (calls only) ext. 301 > Email: crobin@skyvantage.com > Website: http://www.skyvantage.com > Join us on Facebook! www.facebook.com/skyvantage > > > > > www.aeroelectric.com > www.buildersbooks.com > www.homebuilthelp.com > www.mypilotstore.com > www.mrrace.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > www.aeroelectric.com > www.buildersbooks.com > www.homebuilthelp.com > www.mypilotstore.com > www.mrrace.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > http://forums.matronics.com > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:43 PM PST US From: Cory Robin Subject: Re: Yak-List: Metal Prop My M-14P is on a Wilga. I fly from backcountry/unimproved strips all the time.. Taking rocks through my all composite Whirlwind propeller is really proving to be bad news. So I'm open to options appropriate for my application. Cory Robin Chief Executive Officer SkyVantage Corporation 5526 West 13400 South, Suite 207 Herriman, UT 84096 United States of America US Ph. +1-801-649-2925 ext. 301 Skype: skyvantage (calls only) ext. 301 Email: crobin@skyvantage.com Website: http://www.skyvantage.com Join us on Facebook! www.facebook.com/skyvantage On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Roger Kemp wrote: > Why? That composite wood prop is protective in its self. That small > supercharger shaft is going take a beating with a prop strike with a metal > prop. Not to say it won't with the wood but not as much damage will be > transmitted to the other pinion gears as will be with a metal prop. > Doc > > Sent from my iPad > > On Nov 4, 2014, at 11:15 AM, Richard Goode > wrote: > > I believe there is also a three blade metal prop from Avia in the Czech > Republic. However it is quite heavy and non--aerobatic. > > > Richard Goode Aerobatics > > Rhodds Farm > > Lyonshall > > Hereford > > HR5 3LW > > > Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 > > Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 > > www.russianaeros.com > > > *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [ > mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > ] *On Behalf Of *George S. Coy > *Sent:* 04 November 2014 16:56 > *To:* yak-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: Yak-List: Metal Prop > > > Yes, there is a 3 blade Hartzell. They are often installed on Murphy > Moose. I did the flight testing at Hartzell many years ago. I am still a > dealer for this prop. > > George Coy > > > *From:* owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [ > mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com > ] *On Behalf Of *Cory Robin > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 04, 2014 11:46 AM > *To:* yak-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Yak-List: Metal Prop > > > Anyone aware of any metal propeller options for the M14P? > > > Cory Robin > Chief Executive Officer > <~WRD000.jpg> > SkyVantage Corporation > 5526 West 13400 South, Suite 207 > Herriman, UT 84096 > United States of America > US Ph. +1-801-649-2925 ext. 301 > Skype: skyvantage (calls only) ext. 301 > Email: crobin@skyvantage.com > Website: http://www.skyvantage.com > Join us on Facebook! www.facebook.com/skyvantage > > > *www.aeroelectric.com * > > *www.buildersbooks.com * > > *www.homebuilthelp.com * > > *www.mypilotstore.com * > > *www.mrrace.com * > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution * > > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List * > > > *http://forums.matronics.com * > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > > *www.aeroelectric.com * > > *www.buildersbooks.com * > > *www.homebuilthelp.com * > > *www.mypilotstore.com * > > *www.mrrace.com * > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution * > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List * > > *http://forums.matronics.com * > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* , and is > believed to be clean. > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:23 PM PST US From: Phil Salter Subject: Re: Yak-List: control surface painting on CJ Keith, Yes, flex agent should be used as it extends the time between cracks in the paint. Some have stabilized the surfaces with foam, which I believe helps. Phil Sent from my iPad > On Nov 4, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Keith McKinley wrote: > > > The use of flex additive in paint. How important? > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:21 PM PST US From: Robin Hou Subject: Re: Yak-List: Metal Prop Call M14P. They installed Chinese blades in Russian hub. But it was for ground tested only, I think. It never flew; not sure why. On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 2:39 PM, Cory Robin wrote: My M-14P is on a Wilga. I fly from backcountry/unimproved strips all the time.. Taking rocks through my all composite Whirlwind propeller is really proving to be bad news. So I'm open to options appropriate for my application. Cory Robin Chief Executive Officer SkyVantage Corporation 5526 West 13400 South, Suite 207 Herriman, UT 84096 United States of America US Ph. +1-801-649-2925 ext. 301 Skype: skyvantage (calls only) ext. 301 Email: crobin@skyvantage.com Website: http://www.skyvantage.com Join us on Facebook! www.facebook.com/skyvantage On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Roger Kemp wrote: Why? That composite wood prop is protective in its self. That small supercharger shaft is going take a beating with a prop strike with a metal prop. Not to say it won't with the wood but not as much damage will be transmitted to the other pinion gears as will be with a metal prop. >Doc > >Sent from my iPad >On Nov 4, 2014, at 11:15 AM, Richard Goode wrote: > > >I believe there is also a three blade metal prop from Avia in the Czech Republic. However it is quite heavy and non--aerobatic. >> >>Richard Goode Aerobatics >>Rhodds Farm >>Lyonshall >>Hereford >>HR5 3LW >> >>Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 >>Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 >>www.russianaeros.com >> >>From:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy >>Sent: 04 November 2014 16:56 >>To: yak-list@matronics.com >>Subject: RE: Yak-List: Metal Prop >> >>Yes, there is a 3 blade Hartzell. They are often installed on Murphy Moose. I did the flight testing at Hartzell many years ago. I am still a dealer for this prop.George Coy >> >>From:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cory Robin >>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 11:46 AM >>To: yak-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Yak-List: Metal Prop >> >>Anyone aware of any metal propeller options for the M14P? >> >> >> >>Cory Robin >>Chief Executive Officer >><~WRD000.jpg> >>SkyVantage Corporation >>5526 West 13400 South, Suite 207 >>Herriman, UT 84096 >>United States of America >>US Ph. +1-801-649-2925 ext. 301 >>Skype: skyvantage (calls only) ext. 301 >>Email: crobin@skyvantage.com >>Website: http://www.skyvantage.com >>Join us on Facebook! www.facebook.com/skyvantage >> >> >> >>www.aeroelectric.com >>www.buildersbooks.com >>www.homebuilthelp.com >>www.mypilotstore.com >>www.mrrace.com >>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> >>http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> >>-- >>This message has been scanned for viruses and >>dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>believed to be clean. >> >> >>www.aeroelectric.comwww.buildersbooks.com >>www.homebuilthelp.com >>www.mypilotstore.com >>www.mrrace.com >>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >>http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >>-- >>This message has been scanned for viruses and >>dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >>believed to be clean. >_blank">www.aeroelectric.com >.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com ank">www.mrrace.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List tp://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:20:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: Metal Prop From: Roger Kemp Copy Cory. I can understand your agist. Doc Sent from my iPad > On Nov 4, 2014, at 5:04 PM, Robin Hou wrote: > > Call M14P. They installed Chinese blades in Russian hub. But it was for gr ound tested only, I think. It never flew; not sure why. > > > On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 2:39 PM, Cory Robin w rote: > > > My M-14P is on a Wilga. I fly from backcountry/unimproved strips all the t ime.. Taking rocks through my all composite Whirlwind propeller is really p roving to be bad news. So I'm open to options appropriate for my applicati on. > > > > Cory Robin > Chief Executive Officer > > SkyVantage Corporation > 5526 West 13400 South, Suite 207 > Herriman, UT 84096 > United States of America > US Ph. +1-801-649-2925 ext. 301 > Skype: skyvantage (calls only) ext. 301 > Email: crobin@skyvantage.com > Website: http://www.skyvantage.com > Join us on Facebook! www.facebook.com/skyvantage > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 1:46 PM, Roger Kemp wrote: > Why? That composite wood prop is protective in its self. That small superc harger shaft is going take a beating with a prop strike with a metal prop. N ot to say it won't with the wood but not as much damage will be transmitted t o the other pinion gears as will be with a metal prop. > Doc > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 4, 2014, at 11:15 AM, Richard Goode wrote: >> >> I believe there is also a three blade metal prop from Avia in the Czech R epublic. However it is quite heavy and non--aerobatic. >> >> Richard Goode Aerobatics >> Rhodds Farm >> Lyonshall >> Hereford >> HR5 3LW >> >> Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120 >> Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129 >> www.russianaeros.com >> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of George S. Coy >> Sent: 04 November 2014 16:56 >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RE: Yak-List: Metal Prop >> >> Yes, there is a 3 blade Hartzell. They are often installed on Murphy Moos e. I did the flight testing at Hartzell many years ago. I am still a dealer for this prop. >> George Coy >> >> From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@m atronics.com] On Behalf Of Cory Robin >> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 11:46 AM >> To: yak-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Yak-List: Metal Prop >> >> Anyone aware of any metal propeller options for the M14P? >> >> >> Cory Robin >> Chief Executive Officer >> <~WRD000.jpg> >> SkyVantage Corporation >> 5526 West 13400 South, Suite 207 >> Herriman, UT 84096 >> United States of America >> US Ph. +1-801-649-2925 ext. 301 >> Skype: skyvantage (calls only) ext. 301 >> Email: crobin@skyvantage.com >> Website: http://www.skyvantage.com >> Join us on Facebook! www.facebook.com/skyvantage >> >> >> >> >> www.aeroelectric.com >> www.buildersbooks.com >> www.homebuilthelp.com >> www.mypilotstore.com >> www.mrrace.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> >> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. >> >> >> www.aeroelectric.com >> www.buildersbooks.com >> www.homebuilthelp.com >> www.mypilotstore.com >> www.mrrace.com >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List >> http://forums.matronics.com >> >> >> -- >> This message has been scanned for viruses and >> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is >> believed to be clean. > > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com > > .com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > ="_blank">www.mypilotstore.com > ank">www.mrrace.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > et="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > > > > > > > > <68992_10152752200891192_3706082317252171052_n.jpg> ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Yak-List: control surface painting on CJ From: Roger Kemp Phil, Interesting, are they forming the foam blocks with hot wire and are they placing between the rids. If so how are they securing the blocks to the structures? Doc Sent from my iPad > On Nov 4, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Phil Salter wrote: > > > Keith, > > Yes, flex agent should be used as it extends the time between cracks in the paint. Some have stabilized the surfaces with foam, which I believe helps. > > > Phil > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 4, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Keith McKinley wrote: >> >> >> The use of flex additive in paint. How important? >> >> >> >> > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:31 PM PST US From: Pilotdog57 Subject: Re: Yak-List: control surface painting on CJ I used DuPont ChromaOne paint 17 years ago on my control surfaces. No special flex agent- no cracks- still flexible. Doug Z Sent from my iPad > On Nov 4, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Roger Kemp wrote: > > > Phil, > Interesting, are they forming the foam blocks with hot wire and are they placing between the rids. If so how are they securing the blocks to the structures? > Doc > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 4, 2014, at 4:29 PM, Phil Salter wrote: >> >> >> Keith, >> >> Yes, flex agent should be used as it extends the time between cracks in the paint. Some have stabilized the surfaces with foam, which I believe helps. >> >> >> Phil >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Nov 4, 2014, at 9:14 AM, Keith McKinley wrote: >>> >>> >>> The use of flex additive in paint. 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