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1. 01:54 AM - Re: Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52 (Richard Goode)
2. 04:50 AM - Re: WTB: Yak-52 (Pappy)
3. 09:19 AM - Re: WTB: Yak-52 (Dave Jester)
4. 11:03 AM - Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52 (PaulW)
5. 02:20 PM - Re: WTB: Yak-52 (Greg Wrobel)
6. 03:42 PM - Re: Technical question....YAK52 propeller hub. (YAKY52)
7. 03:51 PM - Re: Propeller cycle and pitch issue (YAKY52)
8. 03:51 PM - Missing entire threads (Ernest Martinez)
9. 04:02 PM - Re: Re: Propeller cycle and pitch issue (Trond)
10. 04:14 PM - Re: WTB: Yak-52 (Shaun Dawson)
11. 05:18 PM - Re: WTB: Yak-52 (Byron Fox)
12. 05:24 PM - Re: WTB: Yak-52 (Shaun Dawson)
13. 06:01 PM - (schwartzcompany@att.net)
14. 06:37 PM - Re: (doug sapp)
15. 07:26 PM - Re: WTB: Yak-52 (Dr. Herbert Coussons)
16. 07:30 PM - Re: WTB: Yak-52 (James Goolsby)
17. 07:33 PM - Fw: Burning the midnight oil. (James Goolsby)
18. 08:02 PM - Re: (William Geipel)
19. 08:03 PM - Re: Missing entire threads (William Geipel)
20. 08:10 PM - Re: Oil on gills (Royden Heays)
21. 08:15 PM - Re: WTB: Yak-52 (Roger Kemp)
22. 08:24 PM - Re: Missing entire threads (Shaun Dawson)
23. 09:13 PM - Re: Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52 (Roger Baker)
24. 09:55 PM - Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52 (barryhancock)
25. 10:36 PM - Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52 (barryhancock)
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| Subject: | Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52 |
The 50 and 52 have extremely different spin characteristics. The 52 is much
lighter and with a much lower moment of polar inertia. The 52 is heavier,
and a much higher moment, yet with roughly the same size control surfaces.
So the 50 is generally very benign, but as I have written before, spinning
in the 52 categorically requires good instruction.
Richard Goode Aerobatics
Rhodds Farm
Lyonshall
Hereford
HR5 3LW
Tel: +44 (0) 1544 340120
Fax: +44 (0) 1544 340129
www.russianaeros.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gordon Price
Sent: 17 November 2014 21:43
Subject: Re: Yak-List: Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52
Hi Barry
I think I have explored all the spin areas of the 50 and haven't found any
problem areas .yet. It sounds like the 52 is different. What exactly is
the recovery method from the upright flat and inverted flat in the 52? My
50 doesn't do a good inverted flat. My Pitts and Ultimates were great
inverted but the 50 is too much work. The upright flat takes 1-2 turns
more if you forget the inspin aileron.
Thanks
Gord
> On Nov 17, 2014, at 3:12 PM, barryhancock <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com>
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> Roger Baker used to do all the upright spin training in the -52 out of
> San Diego, but I'm pretty sure he's done with flying Yaks. I don't
> know anyone else. I would get in touch with Vladimir Yastremski.
> yastremski (at) sbcglobal.net
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> Barry Hancock
> Worldwide Warbirds, Inc.
> www.worldwidewarbirds.com
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On Nov 17, 2014, at 7:42 PM, Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
> I would have been so disappointed had there been no reaction. My three
hour butt is not the problem. It's my two hour bladder that's the issue.
>
> Blitz Fox
> 415-307-2405
>
> On Nov 17, 2014, at 5:08 PM, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Oh geeze, is it that time again already? :o)
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 4:50 PM, bill geipel <l129bs@gmail.com>
wrote:
>> But make sure you read the last several months of postings. All CJ6
issues and they all want to put in the Yak engine. So if you have a 3 hr
butt, and free weekends to apparently work on it, go for it. Now, if you
want to fight 1v1 or something more sporting, go with the Yak. Hard
aerobatics, Yak. If you want to dance in the cockpit, go CJ. If you
want room to go potty in flight, probably CJ. Potty and FLUSH rivets
kind of go together. If you plan on staying young and exciting, YAK. You
can even carry a whopper with cheese in a Yak. If you want a whopper,
cheese and a Coke, CJ. After Enough whoppers then maybe CJ or Yak 18T.
>> Oh to be 18 again! I don't think I was ever 140lbs?
>> So there you have. 8 of your new friends in the city by the bay can
work on them together. San Francisco, something about that city.....
Can't quite remember what they do out there? Boys? Oh never mind.
>>
>> Either choice is good. For some reason the CJ is a lot more money.
Must be the flushing thing.
>>
>> Dawg
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2014, at 7:49, Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Younus, I too had a burning need for a Yak 52. For one hour, there
is no finer airplane. It handles beautifully, has a great roll rate and
will fly upside down all day.
>>>
>>> Then 13 years ago, dear friends took me in hand and gently persuaded
me that the Nanchang CJ-6A was, well, just superior. First it's built
for a grown man, and not just "140 lb.,18 year old boys," to quote
Sergei Boriak. Also, the CJ's flush riveted, has gear that goes away,
holds 3 hours of fuel, has a baggage compartment, runs the essentially
bulletproof Housai, and is faster than the Yak 52. But most important
for those in the San Francisco Bay Area, there are 8 other Nanchangs to
fly with. Please see www.baybombersquadron.com.
>>>
>>> Be assured, however, that if indeed you decide to go over to the
dark side, we will still welcome you with open arms.... and a slightly
retarded throttle.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Younus Aftab <yaftab@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>> After chatting with a number of people; I am considering either
buying or getting into a partnership for a 52. If somebody is selling -
please let me know.
>>>
>>> Prefer a basic flying 52 with heavy spar and mid to low time
engines. Don't care other upgrades as much.
>>>
>>> I am in the West Coast (San Francisco) - So closer is better for me.
>>>
>>> Please send me a private email if you have any leads.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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>>> 80 Milland Drive
>>> Mill Valley, CA 94941
>>> 415-307-2405
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52 |
barryhancock wrote:
>
> PaulW wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Even more important is learning the situations that get you into one in the
first place.
> > > Happy to provide the training if I'm closer to anyone on the list (UK)
> > > (We start at 10,000 feet, and chutes are a must!)
> > >
> >
> >
> > What would you say are these situations?
> > I am still a beginner in aero's and like to know more.
>
>
> I think your comment is exactly the point we are trying to make. Before you
are a beginning aerobatic pilot, you need to be well versed in spins. Any aerobatic
instructor/school worth your time will REQUIRE you to go through spin training
before you attempt any aerobatics.
>
> Self taught or "I read that in a book" approaches are foolhardy unless you have
first mastered all spin recoveries.
>
>
>
I very much agree with that.
In my case I did a basic aero course on a C152 which included spins at a school
and then bought the 52 and did some aero training from someone who is very experienced
on 52's and currently Advanced in compatition level. He will be participating
in the YAKWAC now in November.
My current instructor is an ex jetfighter with actual combat experience, flew in
air foce Silver Falcons display team and was a jet instructor in the Air Force.
Currently a Designated Flight Examiner who in fact test instructors. He also
had his own Yak....
So in good company there. But I am still learning....
So we did our fair share of spin recoveries.
The recovery I learned is :
SHORT VERSION RECOVERY NORMAL SPIN
1. Flaps Retract
2. Slow down, power full back
3. Stick back, wings level
4. When stall (MUST Stall), stick FULL back, Right Rudder
5. Look at Object on ground
6. 30deg before you want to stop, Left (Opposite rudder) stick to neutral
7. When stopped, neutralise Rudders, stick brisk little forward.
8. speed 170km, Pull slow out of dive
Question: can the techniques used by Bill Fenian also be used in the YAK-52?
I haven't done inverted nor flat spins yet.
How do these recoveries differ from normal upright spins in a 52?
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We all think we have bought the better of the two. Make a spreadsheet of
the pros and con's of each especially when you find a couple of aircraft
you are interested in. Here are a few ideas on the yak52 and CJ. The YAK
has the M14P which has more power for HARD aerobatics but it also burns a
lot more fuel when you are on a cross country and you will be slower than a
CJ. Operating costs go up for this reason. The CJ is a lot more accessible
when working on it. Especially the avionics bay and working within the
larger cockpit areas and you do not have to tear floorboards out on the CJ,
it has access panels on the belly! The YAKs are generally speaking cheaper
to buy, Parts are available for both. The CJ has a better look with the
wing design and gears in the well look (only a personal Opinion). Do not
go by price alone. There is a reason the CJ cost a little more. Could be in
the long run it is more desirable of the two!! I have to disagree with the
amount of problems that show up on the forum. I have to say a lot more guys
are needing help with the YAKs! If HARD aerobatics is NOT your thing then
why wouldn't you want an almost bulletproof Housai cheaper gas costs and
easier maintenance access. If you need or want the M14P you can always add
it to the excellent features of the CJ. Happy Hunting,.....
On Nov 17, 2014 3:47 PM, "Younus Aftab" <yaftab@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> After chatting with a number of people; I am considering either buying or
getting into a partnership for a 52. If somebody is selling - please let me
know.
>
> Prefer a basic flying 52 with heavy spar and mid to low time engines.
Don't care other upgrades as much.
>
> I am in the West Coast (San Francisco) - So closer is better for me.
>
> Please send me a private email if you have any leads.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Technical question....YAK52 propeller hub. |
Thank you for the answer and suggestions.
I understand the problems relating to cadplating and having considered the epoxy
paint as an alternative solution I'll go for it.
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller cycle and pitch issue |
Due to my recent experience on this subject, check first the propeller blades free
of travel, take off the front hub (easy and no pain ops) and try to opereate
the pitch mechanism by hand.
there is not much of lubrication there and moisture after some time mess up bearings
and other parts.
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| Subject: | Missing entire threads |
Is it me, or is anyone else out there experiencing missing threads on this
list? Every once in a while I'll see someone respond to a thread I never
saw. I just experienced this with a Thread about plating a prop hub. I
never saw Pappy's response or the original post, just the final post
thanking Pappy. I got to read it by clicking on the link, in the email.
Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: Propeller cycle and pitch issue |
Hello
I have done that.
Had it of yesterday. Tried to move blades.
Where not able to move the blades.
I have a 3-blade hoffman propeller.
What propp do you have?
Regards Trond
Sendt fra min iPhone
> Den 19. nov. 2014 kl. 00.51 skrev YAKY52 <vulavula@libero.it>:
>
>
> Due to my recent experience on this subject, check first the propeller blades
free of travel, take off the front hub (easy and no pain ops) and try to opereate
the pitch mechanism by hand.
> there is not much of lubrication there and moisture after some time mess up bearings
and other parts.
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=433996#433996
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The thing that would swing it for me would be the community. You've gotten
an invitation to the CJ guys in the Bay Area. Set up a visit, but them
some gas and go flying.
Based on my (limited) experience, it seems like certain areas have a
preponderance of certain types. In LA, the CJs dominate. In San Diego,
it's the Yaks for some reason. That's probably the case elsewhere in the
country also.
You don't buy this type of airplane to fly by yourself, or to go on
extended cross countries. You get into it to do interesting thing a with
other pilots. Because of that, the minor paper differences between Yak or
CJ are, IMO, immaterial. You are joining a community, so I would make that
my focus if I were you. Which one has the bed representation in your area,
of guys that you ole to be around?
That being said, I've heard that Yak pilots have larger sex organs as a
general rule, so maybe that's the way to make the call...
Shaun
On Tuesday, November 18, 2014, Greg Wrobel <clouddog22@gmail.com> wrote:
> We all think we have bought the better of the two. Make a spreadsheet of
> the pros and con's of each especially when you find a couple of aircraft
> you are interested in. Here are=C3=82 a few ideas on the yak52 and CJ.
=C3=82 The
> YAK has the M14P which has more power for HARD aerobatics but it also bur
ns
> a lot more fuel when you are on a cross country and you will be slower th
an
> a CJ. Operating costs go up for this reason. The CJ is=C3=82 a lot more
> accessible when working on it. Especially the avionics bay and working
> within the larger cockpit areas and you do not have to tear floorboards o
ut
> on the CJ, it has access panels on the belly! The YAKs are generally
> speaking cheaper to buy, Parts are available=C3=82 for both. The CJ has
a
> better look with the wing design=C3=82 and gears in the well look (only
a
> personal Opinion). Do not go by price alone. There is a reason the CJ cos
t
> a little more. Could be in the long run it is more desirable of the two!!
I
> have to disagree with the amount of problems that show up on the forum. I
> have to say a lot more guys are needing help with the YAKs! If HARD
> aerobatics is NOT your thing then why wouldn't you want an almost
> bulletproof Housai cheaper gas costs and easier maintenance access. If yo
u
> need or want the M14P you can always add it to the excellent features of
> the CJ. Happy Hunting,.....
> On Nov 17, 2014 3:47 PM, "Younus Aftab" <yaftab@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','yaftab@gmail.com');>> wrote:
> >
> > After chatting with a number of people; I am considering either buying
> or getting into a partnership for a 52. If somebody is selling - please l
et
> me know.
> >
> > Prefer a basic flying 52 with heavy spar and mid to low time engines.
> Don't care other upgrades as much.
> >
> > I am in the West Coast (San Francisco) - So closer is better for me.
> >
> > Please send me a private email if you have any leads.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
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Well said, Shaun. Going away, I mostly enough the fraternal nature of the gr
oup.
Regarding your final observation, sad to say, the San Diego group is tragica
lly unendowed.
Blitz Fox
415-307-2405
> On Nov 18, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Shaun Dawson <scdawson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The thing that would swing it for me would be the community. You've gotte
n an invitation to the CJ guys in the Bay Area. Set up a visit, but them so
me gas and go flying.
>
> Based on my (limited) experience, it seems like certain areas have a prepo
nderance of certain types. In LA, the CJs dominate. In San Diego, it's the
Yaks for some reason. That's probably the case elsewhere in the country al
so.
>
> You don't buy this type of airplane to fly by yourself, or to go on extend
ed cross countries. You get into it to do interesting thing a with other pi
lots. Because of that, the minor paper differences between Yak or CJ are, I
MO, immaterial. You are joining a community, so I would make that my focus i
f I were you. Which one has the bed representation in your area, of guys tha
t you ole to be around?
>
> That being said, I've heard that Yak pilots have larger sex organs as a ge
neral rule, so maybe that's the way to make the call...
>
> Shaun
>
>> On Tuesday, November 18, 2014, Greg Wrobel <clouddog22@gmail.com> wrote:
>> We all think we have bought the better of the two. Make a spreadsheet of t
he pros and con's of each especially when you find a couple of aircraft you a
re interested in. Here are=C3=82 a few ideas on the yak52 and CJ.=C3=82 Th
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n a CJ. Operating costs go up for this reason. The CJ is=C3=82 a lot more a
ccessible when working on it. Especially the avionics bay and working within
the larger cockpit areas and you do not have to tear floorboards out on the
CJ, it has access panels on the belly! The YAKs are generally speaking chea
per to buy, Parts are available=C3=82 for both. The CJ has a better look wi
th the wing design=C3=82 and gears in the well look (only a personal Opinio
n). Do not go by price alone. There is a reason the CJ cost a little more. C
ould be in the long run it is more desirable of the two!! I have to disagree
with the amount of problems that show up on the forum. I have to say a lot m
ore guys are needing help with the YAKs! If HARD aerobatics is NOT your thin
g then why wouldn't you want an almost bulletproof Housai cheaper gas costs a
nd easier maintenance access. If you need or want the M14P you can always ad
d it to the excellent features of the CJ. Happy Hunting,.....
>> On Nov 17, 2014 3:47 PM, "Younus Aftab" <yaftab@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > After chatting with a number of people; I am considering either buying o
r getting into a partnership for a 52. If somebody is selling - please let m
e know.
>> >
>> > Prefer a basic flying 52 with heavy spar and mid to low time engines. D
on't care other upgrades as much.
>> >
>> > I am in the West Coast (San Francisco) - So closer is better for me.
>> >
>> > Please send me a private email if you have any leads.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> >
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I wouldn't even try to argue, given your no-doubt exhaustive experience. :
)
On Tuesday, November 18, 2014, Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well said, Shaun. Going away, I mostly enough the fraternal nature of the
> group.
>
> Regarding your final observation, sad to say, the San Diego group is
> tragically unendowed.
>
> Blitz Fox
> 415-307-2405
>
> On Nov 18, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Shaun Dawson <scdawson@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','scdawson@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> The thing that would swing it for me would be the community. You've
> gotten an invitation to the CJ guys in the Bay Area. Set up a visit, but
> them some gas and go flying.
>
> Based on my (limited) experience, it seems like certain areas have a
> preponderance of certain types. In LA, the CJs dominate. In San Diego,
> it's the Yaks for some reason. That's probably the case elsewhere in the
> country also.
>
> You don't buy this type of airplane to fly by yourself, or to go on
> extended cross countries. You get into it to do interesting thing a with
> other pilots. Because of that, the minor paper differences between Yak o
r
> CJ are, IMO, immaterial. You are joining a community, so I would make th
at
> my focus if I were you. Which one has the bed representation in your area
,
> of guys that you ole to be around?
>
> That being said, I've heard that Yak pilots have larger sex organs as a
> general rule, so maybe that's the way to make the call...
>
> Shaun
>
> On Tuesday, November 18, 2014, Greg Wrobel <clouddog22@gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','clouddog22@gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
>> We all think we have bought the better of the two. Make a spreadsheet of
>> the pros and con's of each especially when you find a couple of aircraft
>> you are interested in. Here are=C3=82 a few ideas on the yak52 and CJ.
=C3=82 The
>> YAK has the M14P which has more power for HARD aerobatics but it also bu
rns
>> a lot more fuel when you are on a cross country and you will be slower t
han
>> a CJ. Operating costs go up for this reason. The CJ is=C3=82 a lot more
>> accessible when working on it. Especially the avionics bay and working
>> within the larger cockpit areas and you do not have to tear floorboards
out
>> on the CJ, it has access panels on the belly! The YAKs are generally
>> speaking cheaper to buy, Parts are available=C3=82 for both. The CJ has
a
>> better look with the wing design=C3=82 and gears in the well look (only
a
>> personal Opinion). Do not go by price alone. There is a reason the CJ co
st
>> a little more. Could be in the long run it is more desirable of the two!
! I
>> have to disagree with the amount of problems that show up on the forum.
I
>> have to say a lot more guys are needing help with the YAKs! If HARD
>> aerobatics is NOT your thing then why wouldn't you want an almost
>> bulletproof Housai cheaper gas costs and easier maintenance access. If y
ou
>> need or want the M14P you can always add it to the excellent features of
>> the CJ. Happy Hunting,.....
>> On Nov 17, 2014 3:47 PM, "Younus Aftab" <yaftab@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > After chatting with a number of people; I am considering either buying
>> or getting into a partnership for a 52. If somebody is selling - please
let
>> me know.
>> >
>> > Prefer a basic flying 52 with heavy spar and mid to low time engines.
>> Don't care other upgrades as much.
>> >
>> > I am in the West Coast (San Francisco) - So closer is better for me.
>> >
>> > Please send me a private email if you have any leads.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
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My yak 52 has developed an oil leak in the area of the shutters.- Could b
e the seal at the back of the tube going into hub rear or front case seal.
I removed nose cover over hub and looked with flashlight =0ANo real major v
isiable oil in there. Removing prop and shutters to reach front of case is
not appealing. But even spraying leak check and running/ cleaning/running.
No real answer=0AAny suggestions=0AThanks=0ABob=0A=0ASent from Yahoo Mail o
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Bob,
First thing to determine is it oil or in fact grease? If oil it is most
likely a bad dome seal (s), if grease check the blade seals. After that
look at the seal behind the prop flange in the nose case. Not definitive
but some place to start looking.
Doug
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 6:00 PM, schwartzcompany@att.net <
schwartzcompany@att.net> wrote:
> My yak 52 has developed an oil leak in the area of the shutters. Could be
> the seal at the back of the tube going into hub rear or front case seal. I
> removed nose cover over hub and looked with flashlight
> No real major visiable oil in there. Removing prop and shutters to reach
> front of case is not appealing. But even spraying leak check and running/
> cleaning/running. No real answer
> Any suggestions
> Thanks
> Bob
>
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For the OF (Old Farts)
[cid:BC8BD358-DED9-4748-AB49-19F0204DBE48]
Dr. Herb Coussons, MD
drc@wscare.com<mailto:drc@wscare.com>
2641 Development Drive
Green Bay, WI 54311
Cell 920-639-8434
Work 920-338-6868
Fax 920-338-6869
On Nov 17, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com<mailto:byronmf
ox@gmail.com>> wrote:
I think the folks at On The Go have a better idea, Mark. Tidier than Depend
s.
http://www.oneonthego.com<http://www.oneonthego.com/>
Blitz Fox
415-307-2405
On Nov 17, 2014, at 7:59 PM, Mark Davis <markdavis@wbsnet.org<mailto:markda
vis@wbsnet.org>> wrote:
Blitz,
Do I see a future Depends commercial coming in Red Alert? : ) Maybe
they could be signed up for a corporate sponsor!
Mark Davis
N44YK
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matr
onics.com> [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Byron
Fox
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 6:42 PM
Subject: Re: Yak-List: WTB: Yak-52
I would have been so disappointed had there been no reaction. My three hour
butt is not the problem. It's my two hour bladder that's the issue.
Blitz Fox
415-307-2405
On Nov 17, 2014, at 5:08 PM, doug sapp <dougsappllc@gmail.com<mailto:dougsa
ppllc@gmail.com>> wrote:
Oh geeze, is it that time again already? :o)
Doug
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 4:50 PM, bill geipel <l129bs@gmail.com<mailto:l129b
s@gmail.com>> wrote:
But make sure you read the last several months of postings. All CJ6 issues
and they all want to put in the Yak engine. So if you have a 3 hr butt, and
free weekends to apparently work on it, go for it. Now, if you want to fig
ht 1v1 or something more sporting, go with the Yak. Hard aerobatics, Yak.
If you want to dance in the cockpit, go CJ. If you want room to go potty i
n flight, probably CJ. Potty and FLUSH rivets kind of go together. If you p
lan on staying young and exciting, YAK. You can even carry a whopper with c
heese in a Yak. If you want a whopper, cheese and a Coke, CJ. After Enough
whoppers then maybe CJ or Yak 18T.
Oh to be 18 again! I don't think I was ever 140lbs?
So there you have. 8 of your new friends in the city by the bay can work on
them together. San Francisco, something about that city..... Can't quite r
emember what they do out there? Boys? Oh never mind.
Either choice is good. For some reason the CJ is a lot more money. Must be
the flushing thing.
Dawg
On Nov 18, 2014, at 7:49, Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com<mailto:byronmfox@g
mail.com>> wrote:
Younus, I too had a burning need for a Yak 52. For one hour, there is no fi
ner airplane. It handles beautifully, has a great roll rate and will fly up
side down all day.
Then 13 years ago, dear friends took me in hand and gently persuaded me tha
t the Nanchang CJ-6A was, well, just superior. First it's built for a grown
man, and not just "140 lb.,18 year old boys," to quote Sergei Boriak. Also
, the CJ's flush riveted, has gear that goes away, holds 3 hours of fuel, h
as a baggage compartment, runs the essentially bulletproof Housai, and is f
aster than the Yak 52. But most important for those in the San Francisco Ba
y Area, there are 8 other Nanchangs to fly with. Please see www.baybombersq
uadron.com<http://www.baybombersquadron.com/>.
Be assured, however, that if indeed you decide to go over to the dark side,
we will still welcome you with open arms.... and a slightly retarded throt
tle.
On Mon, Nov 17, 2014 at 1:44 PM, Younus Aftab <yaftab@gmail.com<mailto:yaft
ab@gmail.com>> wrote:
After chatting with a number of people; I am considering either buying or g
etting into a partnership for a 52. If somebody is selling - please let me
know.
Prefer a basic flying 52 with heavy spar and mid to low time engines. Don't
care other upgrades as much.
I am in the West Coast (San Francisco) - So closer is better for me.
Please send me a private email if you have any leads.
Thanks!
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FWIW. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby (CJ6 owner) has documented proof of having the lo
ngest pedot tube. Just saying.
Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun.
> On Nov 18, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Shaun Dawson <scdawson@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I wouldn't even try to argue, given your no-doubt exhaustive experience. :
)
>
>> On Tuesday, November 18, 2014, Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well said, Shaun. Going away, I mostly enough the fraternal nature of the
group.
>>
>> Regarding your final observation, sad to say, the San Diego group is trag
ically unendowed.
>>
>> Blitz Fox
>> 415-307-2405
>>
>>> On Nov 18, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Shaun Dawson <scdawson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The thing that would swing it for me would be the community. You've got
ten an invitation to the CJ guys in the Bay Area. Set up a visit, but them s
ome gas and go flying.
>>>
>>> Based on my (limited) experience, it seems like certain areas have a pre
ponderance of certain types. In LA, the CJs dominate. In San Diego, it's t
he Yaks for some reason. That's probably the case elsewhere in the country a
lso.
>>>
>>> You don't buy this type of airplane to fly by yourself, or to go on exte
nded cross countries. You get into it to do interesting thing a with other p
ilots. Because of that, the minor paper differences between Yak or CJ are, I
MO, immaterial. You are joining a community, so I would make that my focus i
f I were you. Which one has the bed representation in your area, of guys tha
t you ole to be around?
>>>
>>> That being said, I've heard that Yak pilots have larger sex organs as a g
eneral rule, so maybe that's the way to make the call...
>>>
>>> Shaun
>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 18, 2014, Greg Wrobel <clouddog22@gmail.com> wrote
:
>>>> We all think we have bought the better of the two. Make a spreadsheet o
f the pros and con's of each especially when you find a couple of aircraft y
ou are interested in. Here are=C3=82 a few ideas on the yak52 and CJ.=C3=82
The YAK has the M14P which has more power for HARD aerobatics but it also b
urns a lot more fuel when you are on a cross country and you will be slower t
han a CJ. Operating costs go up for this reason. The CJ is=C3=82 a lot more
accessible when working on it. Especially the avionics bay and working with
in the larger cockpit areas and you do not have to tear floorboards out on t
he CJ, it has access panels on the belly! The YAKs are generally speaking ch
eaper to buy, Parts are available=C3=82 for both. The CJ has a better look w
ith the wing design=C3=82 and gears in the well look (only a personal Opini
on). Do not go by price alone. There is a reason the CJ cost a little more. C
ould be in the long run it is more desirable of the two!! I have to disagree
with the amount of problems that show up on the forum. I have to say a lot m
ore guys are needing help with the YAKs! If HARD aerobatics is NOT your thin
g then why wouldn't you want an almost bulletproof Housai cheaper gas costs a
nd easier maintenance access. If you need or want the M14P you can always ad
d it to the excellent features of the CJ. Happy Hunting,.....
>>>> On Nov 17, 2014 3:47 PM, "Younus Aftab" <yaftab@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > After chatting with a number of people; I am considering either buyin
g or getting into a partnership for a 52. If somebody is selling - please le
t me know.
>>>> >
>>>> > Prefer a basic flying 52 with heavy spar and mid to low time engines.
Don't care other upgrades as much.
>>>> >
>>>> > I am in the West Coast (San Francisco) - So closer is better for me.
>>>> >
>>>> > Please send me a private email if you have any leads.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thanks!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> ============
>>>> This Month --
>>>> Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!)
>>>> on
>>>> r> ed
>>>> oelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
>>>> "http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com
>>>> mebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com
>>>> ypilotstore.com">www.mypilotstore.com
>>>> mrrace.com">www.mrrace.com
>>>> ion">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 -Matt Dralle, List Adm
in.
>>>> ============
>>>> List Email Forum -
>>>> ?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>> ============
>>>> =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
>>>> //forums.matronics.com
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>>>>
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don=92t buy a CJ.
On Nov 18, 2014, at 7:00 PM, schwartzcompany@att.net wrote:
>
> My yak 52 has developed an oil leak in the area of the shutters. Could
be the seal at the back of the tube going into hub rear or front case
seal. I removed nose cover over hub and looked with flashlight
> No real major visiable oil in there. Removing prop and shutters to
reach front of case is not appealing. But even spraying leak check and
running/ cleaning/running. No real answer
> Any suggestions
> Thanks
> Bob
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>
>
>
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It=92s you.
On Nov 18, 2014, at 4:51 PM, Ernest Martinez <erniel29@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is it me, or is anyone else out there experiencing missing threads on
this list? Every once in a while I'll see someone respond to a thread I
never saw. I just experienced this with a Thread about plating a prop
hub. I never saw Pappy's response or the original post, just the final
post thanking Pappy. I got to read it by clicking on the link, in the
email.
>
> Ernie
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: Oil on gills |
If you have an M14P in there and you have been in unusual attitudes during
flight and it is oil (not grease) then it could be the nosecase prop shaft
seal.
The Russian seals do go and usually gradually. Clean the gills and try a few
more flights. If it gets worse that could be it.
The fix is to remove the nose case and ship it to Jill and Carl at M14P.
They have all the equipment to replace the seal for you.
I have been there done that with my Yak 55M. No such problem since replacing
the that seal.
Regards
Royden
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
schwartzcompany@att.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 6:01 PM
Subject:
My yak 52 has developed an oil leak in the area of the shutters. Could be
the seal at the back of the tube going into hub rear or front case seal. I
removed nose cover over hub and looked with flashlight
No real major visiable oil in there. Removing prop and shutters to reach
front of case is not appealing. But even spraying leak check and running/
cleaning/running. No real answer
Any suggestions
Thanks
Bob
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
<https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
<http://www.buildersbooks.com>
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What is a Pedot tube? Damned between Blitz having friends take it in hand an
d you with a Pedot tube the list has gone to pot or is it potty? This just t
akes uses for MMO right off the radar! Unless they make it in gel for for li
ttle Pedot tubes???!
Doc
Sent from my iPad
> On Nov 18, 2014, at 9:29 PM, James Goolsby <cjpilot710@aol.com> wrote:
>
> FWIW. Jim "Pappy" Goolsby (CJ6 owner) has documented proof of having the l
ongest pedot tube. Just saying.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad from some where on The 3rd rock from the Sun.
>
>> On Nov 18, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Shaun Dawson <scdawson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I wouldn't even try to argue, given your no-doubt exhaustive experience.
:)
>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 18, 2014, Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Well said, Shaun. Going away, I mostly enough the fraternal nature of th
e group.
>>>
>>> Regarding your final observation, sad to say, the San Diego group is tra
gically unendowed.
>>>
>>> Blitz Fox
>>> 415-307-2405
>>>
>>>> On Nov 18, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Shaun Dawson <scdawson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The thing that would swing it for me would be the community. You've go
tten an invitation to the CJ guys in the Bay Area. Set up a visit, but them
some gas and go flying.
>>>>
>>>> Based on my (limited) experience, it seems like certain areas have a pr
eponderance of certain types. In LA, the CJs dominate. In San Diego, it's t
he Yaks for some reason. That's probably the case elsewhere in the country a
lso.
>>>>
>>>> You don't buy this type of airplane to fly by yourself, or to go on ext
ended cross countries. You get into it to do interesting thing a with other
pilots. Because of that, the minor paper differences between Yak or CJ are
, IMO, immaterial. You are joining a community, so I would make that my foc
us if I were you. Which one has the bed representation in your area, of guys
that you ole to be around?
>>>>
>>>> That being said, I've heard that Yak pilots have larger sex organs as a
general rule, so maybe that's the way to make the call...
>>>>
>>>> Shaun
>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, November 18, 2014, Greg Wrobel <clouddog22@gmail.com> wrot
e:
>>>>> We all think we have bought the better of the two. Make a spreadsheet o
f the pros and con's of each especially when you find a couple of aircraft y
ou are interested in. Here are=C3=82 a few ideas on the yak52 and CJ.=C3=82
The YAK has the M14P which has more power for HARD aerobatics but it also b
urns a lot more fuel when you are on a cross country and you will be slower t
han a CJ. Operating costs go up for this reason. The CJ is=C3=82 a lot more
accessible when working on it. Especially the avionics bay and working with
in the larger cockpit areas and you do not have to tear floorboards out on t
he CJ, it has access panels on the belly! The YAKs are generally speaking ch
eaper to buy, Parts are available=C3=82 for both. The CJ has a better look w
ith the wing design=C3=82 and gears in the well look (only a personal Opini
on). Do not go by price alone. There is a reason the CJ cost a little more. C
ould be in the long run it is more desirable of the two!! I have to disagree
with the amount of problems that show up on the forum. I have to say a lot m
ore guys are needing help with the YAKs! If HARD aerobatics is NOT your thin
g then why wouldn't you want an almost bulletproof Housai cheaper gas costs a
nd easier maintenance access. If you need or want the M14P you can always ad
d it to the excellent features of the CJ. Happy Hunting,.....
>>>>> On Nov 17, 2014 3:47 PM, "Younus Aftab" <yaftab@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > After chatting with a number of people; I am considering either buyi
ng or getting into a partnership for a 52. If somebody is selling - please l
et me know.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Prefer a basic flying 52 with heavy spar and mid to low time engines
. Don't care other upgrades as much.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I am in the West Coast (San Francisco) - So closer is better for me.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Please send me a private email if you have any leads.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks!
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> ============
>>>>> This Month --
>>>>> Get Some AWESOME FREE Gifts!)
>>>>> on
>>>>> r> ed
>>>>> oelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com
>>>>> "http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com
>>>>> mebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com
>>>>> ypilotstore.com">www.mypilotstore.com
>>>>> mrrace.com">www.mrrace.com
>>>>> ion">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>>>>> =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82
=C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 -Matt Dralle, List
Admin.
>>>>> ============
>>>>> List Email Forum -
>>>>> ?Yak-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Yak-List
>>>>> ============
>>>>> =C3=82 =C3=82 =C3=82 - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -
>>>>> //forums.matronics.com
>>>>> ============
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _blank">www.aeroelectric.com
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>>>>>
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>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Missing entire threads |
I'm definitely missing some messages. I suspect they are going to spam.
My gmail will automatically send anything from an aol.com or yahoo.com
email address to spam these days.
Shaun
On Tue, Nov 18, 2014 at 8:02 PM, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wrote:
> It=99s you.
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| Subject: | Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52 |
Hi Barry and all,
Yup, I used to do much of the check outs and spin training out here on the
west coast . I enjoyed doing that and did it gratis. Didnt do just the upright
spin training though.as a matter of fact, I clearly remember your coming
down to KCRQ from Chino in your Yak 50 and we spent the afternoon talking about
inverted spins (thus your comment about flow from across the bottom of the outside
wing going up thru the aileron gap creating pressure, etc. etc.) and then
going out in my 52 and putting you through inverted spins. That kind of thing
was always fun.
Yer rite, I dont fly much anymore.but, for people who already have their own
52, I know someone out west here who does excellent acro and spin trainingbut
only in the clients airplane. Give me a call if you fit that profile and Ill
refer you.
Best regards,
On Nov 17, 2014, at 1:12 PM, barryhancock <bhancock@worldwidewarbirds.com> wrote:
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> Roger Baker used to do all the upright spin training in the -52 out of San Diego,
but I'm pretty sure he's done with flying Yaks. I don't know anyone else.
I would get in touch with Vladimir Yastremski. yastremski (at) sbcglobal.net
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| Subject: | Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52 |
Thanks, Roger. I don't remember the inverted stuff with you, but then again, I'm
not as young as I used to be. ;)
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| Subject: | Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52 |
PaulW wrote:
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> barryhancock wrote:
> >
> > PaulW wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Even more important is learning the situations that get you into one in
the first place.
> > > > Happy to provide the training if I'm closer to anyone on the list (UK)
> > > > (We start at 10,000 feet, and chutes are a must!)
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > What would you say are these situations?
> > > I am still a beginner in aero's and like to know more.
> >
> >
> > I think your comment is exactly the point we are trying to make. Before you
are a beginning aerobatic pilot, you need to be well versed in spins. Any aerobatic
instructor/school worth your time will REQUIRE you to go through spin
training before you attempt any aerobatics.
> >
> > Self taught or "I read that in a book" approaches are foolhardy unless you
have first mastered all spin recoveries.
> >
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>
> I very much agree with that.
>
> In my case I did a basic aero course on a C152 which included spins at a school
and then bought the 52 and did some aero training from someone who is very
experienced on 52's and currently Advanced in competition level. He will be participating
in the YAKWAC now in November.
>
> My current instructor is an ex jet fighter with actual combat experience, flew
in air force Silver Falcons display team and was a jet instructor in the Air
Force. Currently a Designated Flight Examiner who in fact test instructors. He
also had his own Yak....
>
> So in good company there. But I am still learning....
>
> So we did our fair share of spin recoveries.
>
> The recovery I learned is :
> SHORT VERSION RECOVERY NORMAL SPIN
> 1. Flaps Retract
> 2. Slow down, power full back
> 3. Stick back, wings level
> 4. When stall (MUST Stall), stick FULL back, Right Rudder
> 5. Look at Object on ground
> 6. 30deg before you want to stop, Left (Opposite rudder) stick to neutral
> 7. When stopped, neutralize Rudders, stick brisk little forward.
> 8. speed 170km, Pull slow out of dive
>
>
> Question: can the techniques used by Bill Fenian also be used in the YAK-52?
>
> I haven't done inverted nor flat spins yet.
>
> How do these recoveries differ from normal upright spins in a 52?
Hi Paul,
Few comments here:
First, we have seen too many "high time military pilots" kill themselves and others
in Yaks, L-29s/39s, etc. because they assume way too much and know way too
little about these planes and their performance characteristics. I refer you
to the original post in this thread where Richard Goode points out one of the
best aerobatic pilots in the world killed himself and his student in a -52...because
he assumed way too much and knew way too little. Then there was the
AF General and passenger who were killed in a Yak-54. Then there was...I could
go on and on but it makes me sick to think about it any more.
Military pilots are awesome (thanks for your service, fellas). Many are very good
aviators, and I have many good friends in this community and out who are ex-fighter
jocks. I'd fly with most all of them. I wouldn't get spin instruction
from any of them unless they had type specific training on all spin modes
and LOTS of instructional experience on all modes (like Roger). This is not
a slam on them. The simple point is military experience has ZERO to do with....ZERO....to
do with competency in spinning a Yak-52 in anything accelerated or
flat. Be VERY weary of a guy who flaunts his military creds as a reason to
let him teach you spins in a -52.
The ONLY question that has ANY relevance is, "how much time do you have instructing
inverted flat spins in a Yak-52?" If the answer isn't buckets of hours...RUN.
Also, your normal upright spin recovery technique seems waaay to complicated and
limited to me. First, what about spins to the left? Second, having a ground
reference is nice IF you are doing a competition spin and IF it is a secondary
reference to looking over the nose. Fixating on a point on the ground is a
good way to meet said point face to face. The point should be identified before
you begin the spin and it's only referenced with peripheral vision as you
look over the nose, but I digress. Third, why "pull slow" out of a dive? You
don't want a secondary stall/spin, obviously, but you also need to minimize altitude
loss. I don't mean to be harsh here, but from what you've written it
seems to me you need more training to be safe spinning the -52.
As to wether or not Finigan's technique will work with the Yak-52, I'll ask him.
He told me he's tried it in dozens of aircraft with similar results...but there
are always exceptions, so I wouldn't count on it as a 'go to' unless and
until it is demonstrated to work reliably in all situations.
Inverted, accelerated, and flat spins are all different and, like any other maneuver,
should NOT be..... attempted without first receiving dual instruction from
a well qualified instructor. ;)
Fly safe, fly smart!
Barry
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