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0. 12:11 AM - Value of the List... (Matt Dralle)
1. 01:12 AM - Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52 (PaulW)
2. 01:46 PM - neat stuff just in (doug sapp)
3. 01:56 PM - Re: (A. Dennis Savarese)
4. 01:57 PM - Re: Re: Oil on gills (A. Dennis Savarese)
5. 02:37 PM - CJ Prop Specs (Ernest Martinez)
6. 02:46 PM - Re: Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52 (bill wade)
7. 02:50 PM - Real Pilot! (jblake207@comcast.net)
8. 03:01 PM - Fw: How I became a pilot (Terry Calloway)
9. 03:27 PM - Yak Pilot needs our support (Terry Calloway)
10. 03:50 PM - Re: Real Pilot! (Byron Fox)
11. 03:50 PM - Re: Yak Pilot needs our support (doug sapp)
12. 04:34 PM - Re: CJ6 Engine (Ttail)
13. 05:10 PM - Re: Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52 (Nigel Willson)
14. 08:16 PM - Re: Real Pilot! (Todd McCutchan)
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| Subject: | Value of the List... |
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| Subject: | Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52 |
barryhancock wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Few comments here:
>
>
> Also, your normal upright spin recovery technique seems waaay to complicated
and limited to me. First, what about spins to the left? Second, having a ground
reference is nice IF you are doing a competition spin and IF it is a secondary
reference to looking over the nose. Fixating on a point on the ground is
a good way to meet said point face to face. The point should be identified before
you begin the spin and it's only referenced with peripheral vision as you
look over the nose, but I digress. Third, why "pull slow" out of a dive? You
don't want a secondary stall/spin, obviously, but you also need to minimize
altitude loss. I don't mean to be harsh here, but from what you've written it
seems to me you need more training to be safe spinning the -52.
>
> .
> .
>
> As to wether or not Finigan's technique will work with the Yak-52, I'll ask him.
He told me he's tried it in dozens of aircraft with similar results...but
there are always exceptions, so I wouldn't count on it as a 'go to' unless and
until it is demonstrated to work reliably in all situations.
> .
> .
> .
> Inverted, accelerated, and flat spins are all different and, like any other maneuver,
should NOT be..... attempted without first receiving dual instruction
from a well qualified instructor. ;)
>
>
> Barry
Hi
Point taken. just on current instructor, he also flew T-6's in competition, etc,
owned a'52, etc.
But I do get your point and will certainly keep it in mind.
As far as my notes are concerned on the spin....yes, it is based on competition
spins where you need to stop on heading and the notes was just my own with right
as an example but of course left will just be the opposite inputs. Better
would have been to just say opposite rudder, etc.
Pull back slowly out of dive was more a note to myself as I had the tendency to
pull to hard and then plane wanted to stall and go into an opposite secondary
spin.
I don't understand why you say it is complicated as that is basically what the
52 POH says as well what I learned first hand. Including pull out smoothly where
I mention slowly.
The only difference is that I have the one extra step when you stop the spin, you
neutralise rudders and push the stick briskly forward and back. I understand
that is to unload the wings?
What do you suggest would be the correct procedure?
Another yes, I am still a beginner and not attempting any aero's on my own yet.
I think I have about 25 hours on the YAK of which maybe 15 or so Aero's (including
Spins) plus 6 hours aero's on a C152.
So still a lot to learn.
I won't be doing aero's on my own till cleared by an instructor that I will be
save out there.
But please share procedures for recoveries for normal upright, inverted, flat,
etc and I can discuss with my instructor or other instructors. I promise not to
go and attempt it on my own....
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434101#434101
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| Subject: | neat stuff just in |
Guys, a small shipment just arrived with a few hard to find items contact
me off line if you have an interest.
Russian G meter 2 each NEW $175.00 each
Chinese exhaust drip caps 3 sets $50.00 set of 2
Chinese VSI new late style 6 each $150 each
Chinese turn coordinator late style (little airplane type) 6 each $175.00
each
Late model stainless steel cowl intake screens CJ6 4 ea $65.00 each
CJ6 winterization kit for oil cooler duct 6 ea $70.00 each
#6 spark plug wrench 2 ea $40.00 each
Doug
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Remove the prop hub piston and dome and look inside the hub to see if there is
oil inside the hub. The hub should be dry except for possibly a small amount
of grease. If there is oil inside the hub, it will "sling" out the sides during
rotation. Look for streaks on the back and front sides of the blades within
about 12" of the blade stub and on the sides of the hub on the collar that fits
inside the large castellated nut. That is evidence of oil "spraying" out
of the sides of the hub caused by oil inside the hub. Replace the inner and outer
seal on the prop hub piston.
Dennis
________________________________
From: "schwartzcompany@att.net" <schwartzcompany@att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 8:00 PM
Subject:
My yak 52 has developed an oil leak in the area of the shutters. Could be the
seal at the back of the tube going into hub rear or front case seal. I removed
nose cover over hub and looked with flashlight
No real major visiable oil in there. Removing prop and shutters to reach front
of case is not appealing. But even spraying leak check and running/ cleaning/running.
No real answer
Any suggestions
Thanks
Bob
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Oil on gills |
Assuming the aircraft has a Russian V530 prop, more frequently the two seals in
the prop hub piston can wear and cause oil to leak out of the prop hub. If there
is oil on the sides of the hub exiting from around the sleeve, most likely
the inner seal on the prop hub piston is worn out and needs replacing. If the
oil is coming out around the sides of the "skull cap" or dome, the outer seal
in the prop hub piston is worn out and needs replacing.
Remove the prop hub piston and dome and look inside the hub. It should be dry
with the exception of possibly some small amount of grease. If there is oil inside
the hub, replace the prop hub piston seals. Also make certain the oil tube
is tight because there is also a paper seal on the back end of the oil tube.
Dennis
________________________________
From: Royden Heays <heaysr@telus.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 10:09 PM
Subject: Yak-List: RE: Oil on gills
If you have an M14P in there and you have been in unusual attitudes during flight
and it is oil (not grease) then it could be the nosecase prop shaft seal.
The Russian seals do go and usually gradually. Clean the gills and try a few more
flights. If it gets worse that could be it.
The fix is to remove the nose case and ship it to Jill and Carl at M14P. They have
all the equipment to replace the seal for you.
I have been there done that with my Yak 55M. No such problem since replacing the
that seal.
Regards
Royden
From:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of schwartzcompany@att.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 6:01 PM
Subject:
My yak 52 has developed an oil leak in the area of the shutters. Could be the seal
at the back of the tube going into hub rear or front case seal. I removed
nose cover over hub and looked with flashlight
No real major visiable oil in there. Removing prop and shutters to reach front
of case is not appealing. But even spraying leak check and running/ cleaning/running.
No real answer
Any suggestions
Thanks
Bob
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I need the torque value for the prop nut, and the specs for prop tracking
please.
I cannot seem to find the Nut torque values in the overhaul manual, and I
can't decipher the pidgeon english for many of the other specs. I would
appreciate if someone could illuminate some of the pharases.
The available torque values are in N.M I'm assuming this means Neuton
Meters.
I also need the following questions answered:
Angle fractions are depicted with a single quote e.g. 10'... Does this mean
10 minutes or 10% ?
Section 4.8 on page 34-9 reads "Check at minimum incidence angle that
mutual offset between two blade trailing edges at inspection profile is not
more than 1mm."
What is a mutual offset? What is an inspection profile? Are they referring
to tracking here? Is this trying to say that the tracking error should not
be more than 1mm?
Thanks
Ernie
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| Subject: | Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52 |
Paul=C2-what Barry is trying to convey to you is the=C2-Yak 52 has a ve
ry different from conventional aircraft's UPRIGHT=C2-FLAT=C2-SPIN recov
ery and although we can tell you where the controls need to be for that rec
overy it definitely=C2-needs to be experienced with by someone that has f
lat spun a Yak 52 not a Cessna not a Beech not a Piper not even a Jet a Yak
52 only. I've been trying to perfect my acro maneuvers for about 14 years
now and I've yet to have the yak do anything unpredictable i.e. gone flat
=C2-unintentionally actually the only time my airplane has flat spun is d
uring my training=C2-and I=C2-got my spin training from=C2-Nicolai Ti
mofeev it was pricey but what's your life worth?I know of at least three ai
rplanes that have spun to the ground with no survivors. Study accident repo
rts=C2-you will also find that many have perished from low level acro. St
udy why aircraft spin, what power does to a spinning aircraft what attitude
has to do with entering a spin. My Yak has enabled me to learn things most
pilots never=C2-experience. Continue to learn Paul and don' FU*K UP and
kill yourself it makes the rest of the Yak CJ family look badLiving the dre
am Bill Wade Yak 52=C2-N4450Y=C2-
=C2- From: PaulW <paul@budcyber.com>
To: yak-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 4:12 AM
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52
barryhancock wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Few comments here:
>
>
> Also, your normal upright spin recovery technique seems waaay to complica
ted and limited to me.=C2- First, what about spins to the left?=C2- Sec
ond, having a ground reference is nice IF you are doing a competition spin
and IF it is a secondary reference to looking over the nose.=C2- Fixating
on a point on the ground is a good way to meet said point face to face.=C2
- The point should be identified before you begin the spin and it's only
referenced with peripheral vision as you look over the nose, but I digress.
=C2- Third, why "pull slow" out of a dive?=C2- You don't want a seconda
ry stall/spin, obviously, but you also need to minimize altitude loss.=C2
- I don't mean to be harsh here, but from what you've written it seems to
me you need more training to be safe spinning the -52.=C2-
>
> .
> .
>
> As to wether or not Finigan's technique will work with the Yak-52, I'll a
sk him.=C2- He told me he's tried it in dozens of aircraft with similar r
esults...but there are always exceptions, so I wouldn't count on it as a 'g
o to' unless and until it is demonstrated to work reliably in all situation
s.
> .
> .
> .
> Inverted, accelerated, and flat spins are all different and, like any oth
er maneuver, should NOT be..... attempted without first receiving dual inst
ruction from a well qualified instructor. ;)
>
>
> Barry
Hi
Point taken. just on current instructor, he also flew T-6's in competition,
etc, owned a'52, etc.
But I do get your point and will certainly keep it in mind.
As far as my notes are concerned on the spin....yes, it is based on competi
tion spins where you need to stop on heading and the notes was just my own
with right as an example but of course left will just be the opposite input
s. Better would have been to just say opposite rudder, etc.
Pull back slowly out of dive was more a note to myself as I had the tendenc
y to pull to hard and then plane wanted to stall and go into an opposite se
condary spin.=C2-
I don't understand why you say it is complicated as that is basically what
the 52 POH says as well what I learned first hand. Including pull out smoot
hly where I mention slowly.
The only difference is that I have the one extra step when you stop the spi
n, you neutralise rudders and push the stick briskly forward and back. I un
derstand that is to unload the wings?
What do you suggest would be the correct procedure?
Another yes, I am still a beginner and not attempting any aero's on my own
yet. I think I have about 25 hours on the YAK of which maybe 15 or so Aero'
s (including Spins) plus 6 hours aero's on a C152.
So still a lot to learn.
I won't be doing aero's on my own till cleared by an instructor that I will
be save out there.
But please share procedures for recoveries for normal upright, inverted, fl
at, etc and I can discuss with my instructor or other instructors. I promis
e not to go and attempt it on my own....
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434101#434101
=C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin.
S -
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For the record, found out yesterday that Blitz is actually a real pilot...
He flew the H-19, the HH-43 and both the CH-3B&C.=C2- I'll bet there were
a few more aero-machines that he could add to the list.=C2- You Rock Bli
tz!=C2- JB
=C2-
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| Subject: | Fwd: How I became a pilot |
>
>
>
>
>
> When I was young I decided to go to Medical School.
>
>
>
> At the entrance exam we were asked to rearrange the letters PNEIS and
form the name of an important human body part which is most useful when
erect.
>
>
>
> Those who said SPINE are doctors today.
>
>
>
> The rest of us are retired pilots sending jokes by email....
>
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| Subject: | Yak Pilot needs our support |
Hey Guys,
I don=99t ask for much but I do want you to help our struggling CJ
pilot friend and part time musician Jeff Pritchard. He is in a contest
for the best office design.
Go to the website below, have a look at the options and vote for the
clear choice - Pilot Properties.
We can win this! We need your help tonight. Vote Pilot Properties!
http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/madness/coolest-offices-pilot-propertie
s-vs-vantage-point.html
<http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/madness/coolest-offices-pilot-properti
es-vs-vantage-point.html>
This is all in fun, and lets show em we=99ve got a helluva pilot
community.
Thanks;
Pumper
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Brian "Ziggy" Neunzig is realer than most - a Marine H-53E pilot which meant
he mostly flew down in the dirt at night with night vision goggles. Also, a
NVG aerial refueling instructor. Scares me just thinking about it.
Blitz Fox
415-307-2405
> On Nov 19, 2014, at 9:31 AM, jblake207@comcast.net wrote:
>
> For the record, found out yesterday that Blitz is actually a real pilot...
He flew the H-19, the HH-43 and both the CH-3B&C. I'll bet there were a fe
w more aero-machines that he could add to the list. You Rock Blitz! JB
>
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| Subject: | Re: Yak Pilot needs our support |
I voted last night
Doug
On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 6:10 AM, Terry Calloway <terrycalloway@mac.com>
wrote:
> Hey Guys,
> I don=99t ask for much but I do want you to help our struggling CJ
pilot
> friend and part time musician Jeff Pritchard. He is in a contest for the
> best office design.
>
> Go to the website below, have a look at the options and vote for the clea
r
> choice - Pilot Properties.
>
> We can win this! We need your help tonight. Vote Pilot Properties!
>
>
> http://www.bizjournals.com/wichita/madness/coolest-offices-pilot-properti
es-vs-vantage-point.html
>
> This is all in fun, and lets show em we=99ve got a helluva pilot co
mmunity.
>
> Thanks;
> Pumper
>
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In about 11 months I will have 285hp housei and prop for sale. ( M14P going in)
by then it will have around 350hours to run and the prop around 550hours to run.
Both in Australia.
If you are interested contact me off line.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434139#434139
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| Subject: | Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52 |
"Discuss" with instructors...?
Strongly suggest you go and DO it with a Yak52 instructor.
All 52's have slightly different characteristics and those characteristics change
with MAUW and CofG position, and the rigging of individual aircraft.
Personally, for my own 52, I (originally) received a lot of spin recovery instruction
using a variety of recovery techniques to see what worked, what didn't
and what resulted in the minimum height loss.
Too many to go into here on email, apart from re-iterating there is no substitute
for getting the training on your OWN aircraft, first hand....
Hope that helps..
Regards,
Nigel Willson
Flying Instructor/Examiner and Display Pilot (Yak52, over 800 hours on type)
_________________________________________________
email: nigel@yakdisplay.com
mobile: (+44) 7809 116676
web:http://yakdisplay.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-yak-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of PaulW
Sent: 19 November 2014 09:12
Subject: Yak-List: Re: Spins, particularly in a Yak-52
barryhancock wrote:
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Few comments here:
>
>
> Also, your normal upright spin recovery technique seems waaay to complicated
and limited to me. First, what about spins to the left? Second, having a ground
reference is nice IF you are doing a competition spin and IF it is a secondary
reference to looking over the nose. Fixating on a point on the ground is
a good way to meet said point face to face. The point should be identified before
you begin the spin and it's only referenced with peripheral vision as you
look over the nose, but I digress. Third, why "pull slow" out of a dive? You
don't want a secondary stall/spin, obviously, but you also need to minimize
altitude loss. I don't mean to be harsh here, but from what you've written it
seems to me you need more training to be safe spinning the -52.
>
> .
> .
>
> As to wether or not Finigan's technique will work with the Yak-52, I'll ask him.
He told me he's tried it in dozens of aircraft with similar results...but
there are always exceptions, so I wouldn't count on it as a 'go to' unless and
until it is demonstrated to work reliably in all situations.
> .
> .
> .
> Inverted, accelerated, and flat spins are all different and, like any
> other maneuver, should NOT be..... attempted without first receiving
> dual instruction from a well qualified instructor. ;)
>
>
> Barry
Hi
Point taken. just on current instructor, he also flew T-6's in competition, etc,
owned a'52, etc.
But I do get your point and will certainly keep it in mind.
As far as my notes are concerned on the spin....yes, it is based on competition
spins where you need to stop on heading and the notes was just my own with right
as an example but of course left will just be the opposite inputs. Better
would have been to just say opposite rudder, etc.
Pull back slowly out of dive was more a note to myself as I had the tendency to
pull to hard and then plane wanted to stall and go into an opposite secondary
spin.
I don't understand why you say it is complicated as that is basically what the
52 POH says as well what I learned first hand. Including pull out smoothly where
I mention slowly.
The only difference is that I have the one extra step when you stop the spin, you
neutralise rudders and push the stick briskly forward and back. I understand
that is to unload the wings?
What do you suggest would be the correct procedure?
Another yes, I am still a beginner and not attempting any aero's on my own yet.
I think I have about 25 hours on the YAK of which maybe 15 or so Aero's (including
Spins) plus 6 hours aero's on a C152.
So still a lot to learn.
I won't be doing aero's on my own till cleared by an instructor that I will be
save out there.
But please share procedures for recoveries for normal upright, inverted, flat,
etc and I can discuss with my instructor or other instructors. I promise not to
go and attempt it on my own....
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=434101#434101
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I always knew that one wasn't right in the head...
:-)
Todd McCutchan
T-34A & Yak-50
Cell: (260) 402-1740
E-mail: todd@fastaircraft.com
www.fastaircraft.com
> On Nov 19, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Byron Fox <byronmfox@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Brian "Ziggy" Neunzig is realer than most - a Marine H-53E pilot which mea
nt he mostly flew down in the dirt at night with night vision goggles. Also
, a NVG aerial refueling instructor. Scares me just thinking about it.
>
> Blitz Fox
> 415-307-2405
>
>> On Nov 19, 2014, at 9:31 AM, jblake207@comcast.net wrote:
>>
>> For the record, found out yesterday that Blitz is actually a real pilot..
. He flew the H-19, the HH-43 and both the CH-3B&C. I'll bet there were a f
ew more aero-machines that he could add to the list. You Rock Blitz! JB
>
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